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How Facebook Ruined Comments (at Least For One Writer)
harrymcc writes "Back in late March, Facebook finally introduced a feature which lets you reply to a specific comment on an update. But at the same time, it started reshuffling the order of comments in an attempt to put the best ones at the top. The change only applies to Pages and to the Profiles of people with more than 10,000 followers, but it's driving me crazy. Over at TIME.com, I explain why."
It didn't seem to work for me so I went to http://techland.time.com/2013/05/12 and then was able to browse to the article.
Here's the actual link see if it works if you have issues http://techland.time.com/2013/05/12/facebook-comments/
True dat. All of the cares in my life have been overwhelmed by explosions that don't affect me, and have already been over-reported, and a case about kidnapped girls that are white enough that you know you will be hearing about them for the next year.
So there is absolutely no room whatsoever in my tiny heart, or my pea brain, not to mention my millisecond attention span, to possibly read anything else, ever. Get back to me next year... unless someone blows something up again or kidnaps some girls.
Facebook updates in real life.
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I was going to make a comment how by merely using Facebook you are crazy but that world be false.
By using Facebook you are an idiot, the crazy is irrelevant.
Relax. It will go away soon. Like, MySpace, or any other fad in the past...
Also, pity about the thousands of innocent victims (including women and children) killed by US drones in Pakistan. Oh but they aren't US citizens so that doesn't count, right?
Facebook's changes are pissing off its users....the same people who put them in the dominant position it is in now.
The thing about facebook though, it isn't like Ebay, where a critical mass of people have no choice to stay. They are free to go elsewhere.....and will as soon as another competitor shows up that offeres a better experience. In my opinion, the time for this to happen is imminent.
They harbor terrorist the terrorist use them as shields. Why doe it happen so much in Pakistan? And why do the people of Pakistan allow it to happen? Its way too easy to blame someone else Pakistan needs to clean house but the Government of Pakistan doesn't seem to care much for its innocent Victims
Jack of all trades,master of none
Sure the media pays inordinate attention to kidnapped 'white grz'. But they also pay no attention to all the kidnappers rapists and drug dealers that are running around the USA, and who happen to NOT be white. What I am saying is if you commit a crime and you are white (and poor) you do the time. If you are an illegal immigrant or a member of the non-white minority who also happen to be the numerical majority, and do the crime the media will take a sympathic view towards your situation, because you are 'oppressed'.
So basically whites are the new niggers in the USA. If you make fun of a dude because he is a 'ginger' that is cool. But if you make a comment about someones 'nappy' hair you are a racists.
-Just saying The media is a double edged sword. The only thing you can do is turn off the tv. And only believe what you see is going on in your own community. In mine is is lot of drugs. Whites are pretty much cuckolded, but that is cool because they are white.
Also, pity about the thousands of innocent victims (including women and children) killed by US drones in Pakistan. Oh but they aren't US citizens so that doesn't count, right?
That might make the government look bad, so mainstream news downplays it or doesn't cover it at all. It's not something that makes front-page news.
They don't mind (often accurately) portraying the federal government as bumbling, incompetent, wasteful, etc. That's all in good fun and something of an American tradition. But the staggeringly high number of FIVE corporations who control all mainstream news, well they draw the line at showing the ways in which government are downright evil. Most of the media are Statists (Democrat flavor of it, but Statist), therefore for most of them, that would be blasphemous.
Imagine what the media would be saying is some white dudes kidnapped three girls and held them in their basement for like 20 years, and the neighbors, nor the kids, nor the cops (who were called to the house on multiple occasions) knew anything about it (OMG). Every commedian would be having a field day with how crazy white people are and how they are all serial killers and shit. But in this case the kidnappers (pimps) happened to be hispanic, so race will not be an issue.
Aaaaa...
You know you can re-sort to "Most Recent"? Takes it back to the old way.
http://emphatious.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/warning-this-website-is-upside-down/
Jesus, get a life. Stop trying to get pageviews
It's because it's harder to tell when there are new comments in a thread, so conversations fragment.
Nothing at all like pretending to start a topic here, just to try to get us to click on your link to continue, right? :)
Get off my launchpad!
[link that says that comments should appear oldest to newest]
I'd share how to make slashdot comments appear oldest to newest, but I don't remember how I did it. Maybe there's a setting for it somewhere? Interestingly, I'm pretty sure that it shows oldest to newest even before I log in.
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and that's why the prison population is disproportionally black or other minorities. what are you guys talking about really. whites are still a majority, still get away with lesser sentences then minorities and anything you see on TV that involves minorities is usually the exception not the rule. Racism is still the rule in the US as evident by these shallow, biast and misinformed replies.
Like i said in my previous post here: anyone who understands how magazine subscriptions work, would also know about the use of the model among certain high tech startups (which i wont bother repeating the names of here, as i already listed them elsewhere). also, does anyone know if the Slashdotter who referenced the Biafran war was being facetious or not?
PS, thank god that slashdot keeps posts in chronological order, otherwise i think my post here would make no sense at all!
Do you want us to police the world or not?
Not. Please.
Seriously, do you and other people in the US really think they're the world's police, the last bastion for freedom, etc? Is this a common mentality?
First "I do", then 10,000 followers fill his shoe, then pussy-whipped and Zucker-punched. He should have ended his complaint by confessing that he feels so ruthlessly dis-empowered he hasn't had a decent erection in three weeks.
Well I'm glad Slashdot headlines are at least becoming honest about the substance-free stories we've been seeing lately.
As a US citizen, no on both counts. In fact a great percentage of people in the US aren't anything like other countries' citizens like to see us as. But as they say, morons are louder.
Your mistake is expecting much of anything from facebook. The sooner we all move to Diaspora where control isn't ceded to someone with a vested interest in selling ad space, the better.
only morons in the US want the US to police the world... the rest of the world wants the US to fuck off... always has, always will
Team America... World Bully
the US harbors terrorists too (not even counting those that work for the US government)... you gunna advocate blowing up innocent US women and children between drones and terrorists in the US?
The article is talking about how it's now harder to follow the discussion around a Facebook post because Facebook is re-ordering the replies based on their assessment of their quality. This could be easily remedied by adding sort-by-time and sort-by-quality buttons.
There's another more fundamental problem with Facebook as a venue for non-trivial discussion:
Many sites are shutting down their forums and moving comments to their Facebook pages. I suppose their thinking is that the (mostly) real names cut down the work needed for spam and troll moderation, and there's built in mechanisms to push-propagate and virally spread their content. But Facebook's approach that places posts by both page owners and page users on timelines removes the ability of topics to bump, meaning that conversations around still-interesting posts unnaturally trail away.
Slashdot is similar — discussion is always moving on, there isn't the structure nor the features that would allow extended discussion on a story. Story comments are even locked after a few weeks, probably as an anti-spam device, but this could be remedied with pre-moderation of posts by low-karma posters by either discussion participants or the whole Slashdot community.
Well it worked on Facebook!
Also, both (morons as those quiet) profit from the wealth pump that policing the world brings with it. So I am pretty sure I know why they shut up...
I don't understand. How does an organization as big as Time not have the resources to just write their own comment/forum/whatever system? Whatever happened to this? Every fucking site uses Facebook or Disqus, now. Rolling your own is trivial and strips you of dependence on third parties and lets you retain the data.
Also, who are all of these idiots posting on articles and things, via Facebok, using their real name and saying the most vile and horrible shit. Are they seriously this stupid?!
Basically: shuffling all the comments on one item is like cutting up a movie script, mixing up the dialogue and expecting it to still make sense.
Facebook is turning into a David Lynch movie.
For those unfamiliar with David Lynch movies, Rabbits.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
No, it's the rest of the world that thinks this way. Remember the 1994 Rwandan genocide? America bore responsibility for this horrific crime. Why? They had the capability to intervene and stop the genocide, but selfishly did not do so. Note that it was not Americans who said this, but pretty much every member nation of the UN. They said it loudly, and repeatedly. Maybe you forgot, or have selective memory?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Google analysts are no doubt watching the FB decline and making comparissons to Yahoo, MySpace, et al.
We'll soon have an answer to the question, "How many nails does it take to seal a social network coffin?"
That still leaves open the question of what sort of nails. How many nails are bollocksed user interface features, like this one, and how many are an overabundance of marketing crappola?
Aye, there's the rub.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
I think most were more annoyed by the American 'no it is not a genocide, so we don't have to interfere with it', the actively trying to prevent other countries from setting up a proper UN mission, and afterwards claiming to be the heroes. Anyway, it wasn't just the US that got flack there, France got a lot more flack. Anyway, it's a long time ago, hopefully lessons have been taken...
The Boston Bomber victims. The three kidnapped girls. But never mind them, obviously your pain is greater. Please tell us more.
As a technical community, there is little we can do about events that occurred in the past short of inventing a time machine (and I think there would be worse atrocities to prevent than those if we did). But ongoing problems caused by short-sighted technical ideas are right up our street. They're things that are in our line of professional thought (for a large proportion of the community here) and that a few here might have direct influence over (don't try telling me none of facebook's dev team reads /., because I just won't believe you).
Yes, there are different levels of problems and some people always have it worse. But we shouldn't let that stop us addressing the smaller scale problems, because those are often the things that we can actually fix.
Comments are write-only anyway - no one reads them - maybe one or two at the top get some attention, but they're mostly write-only.
And if America had said, "oh yes we must intervene immediately" the rest of the world would have pulled that "oh you meddling villains, stay out of affairs that don't concern you" and there would have been some sort of Blackhawk Down incident in Rwanda as well.
In these sorts of things, you start with the conclusion and work your way backwards: America is always wrong, so just justify it however it needs to be done. Intervene: bullies. Don't intervene: uncaring.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Did you even read my comment?
Seriously, if this is the worst thing you have happening in your life, then I think you are in pretty good shape.
fb comments are only marginally less retarded than YouTube comments.
After seeing how well Laissez-faire politics worked out prior to WW II, yeah...kinda.
That a 'tech writer' even cares what facebook does with their site is bad enough. That it affects him is even worse.
To extend your anoalogy... say you hate broccoli. But, every time your friends want to go out to eat. they always go to this trendy broccoli restaurant. They refuse to try other restaurants because all their friends eat at this one, and they see nothing wrong with this one, at least nothing bad enough for them to leave all their friends.
You can thus either find new friends, or eat broccoli.
This is why everyone uses Facebook.
Do you want us to police the world or not?
Not. Please.
Seriously, do you and other people in the US really think they're the world's police, the last bastion for freedom, etc? Is this a common mentality?
Regardless of what Americans think, there is no other superpower who wants or tries to be the world's police. So other countries expect the US to be the world's police. Just look at all the pressure we are getting on Syria.
As for myself, I don't think we should do serious intervening, even in Syria. But I do think that we could quietly put our thumb on the scale and tilt it one way or another. The war needs to end- hundreds of thousands of refugees are fleeing across the border to western-friendly Turkey, our BFF Jordan, and already-unstable Egypt. Turkey is not a particularly rich country, but at least it is decently large. Jordan is not a rich country and is quite small. Egypt is kind of a basket case right now. If any of them crack under the strain of all these poor and jobless immigrants, nothing good will come of it. The biggest risk here is not terrorists, it is the crippling economic burden of millions of refugees. Having 1 failed state in the region is bad enough. We don't need a handful of lawless regions.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
"the US harbors terrorists" Citation please. And i dont advocate blowing anyone up i would just kick them all out of the USA dont like how we live and play go the fuck home. Plus ya didn't answer my question
Jack of all trades,master of none
pure newspeak.
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Just some ramblings and opinions about Facebook today.
Facebook has risen to the top of social networking, becoming ubiquitous in society to where it's mentioned in daily conversations and business transactions. Facebook doesn't seem to have significant invest interest in its user base as to what features are useful or not, or just plain unwanted. Not until people start blogging really loudly and when the media begins amplifying those complaints.
The "Facebook Feedback" page seems perfunctory, at best.
In recent times, we saw a plugin for Firefox called "F. B. Purity" which allows the user to customize his/her Facebook experience on the web, including behaviors with scripts. Facebook was not happy, apparently intimating they might sue the author (its status currently unknown to me).
So, they care if you mess with their mess.
The development of mobile and web is continually in a feature incomplete state, changes appear without warning, creating a confusing and inconsistent experience. I wonder about their internal release engineering process (if in fact they have one). In the various companies I've worked at, you don't just randomly force changes onto your customer - it's a bad practice - you have a beta test site, you solicit and use (and care about) user feedback.
Since nobody else has the footprint that FB has (currently, anyway), they must feel justified in a haphazard release process. I imagine they could care less about whether or not you like it. Whether comments work to your liking or not. That has been fairly clear for some time.
I agree with some posters in that once you become a member of FB, along with your friends and family, it's already taken hold and you can't just leave -- the consequences are dire. Unfortunately. And I can't stand twitter! :-)
[Pakistan] harbor terrorist
citation please
dont like how we live and play go the fuck home
the rest of the world has been telling that to the USA for years
Those who are most capable of fixing a problem are the ones most responsible for doing so.
Just look at all the pressure we are getting on Syria.
No one is putting pressure on the US to "do something" in Syria. No one.
The pressure is internal - It's propaganda. No one wants a US military invasion. There is no pressure.