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Firefox 21 Arrives

An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla on Tuesday officially launched Firefox 21 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. Improvements include the addition of multiple social providers on the desktop as well as open source fonts on Android. In the changelog, the company included an interesting point that's worth elaborating on: 'Preliminary implementation of Firefox Health Report.' Mozilla has revealed that FHR so far logs 'basic health information' about Firefox: time to start up, total running time, and number of crashes. Mozilla says the initial report is pretty simple but will grow 'in the coming months.' You can get it now from Mozilla."

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  1. Firebug is awesome by schneidafunk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Firebug is a good reason to use it. I don't really understand your justification for not testing web design in Firefox, considering it has a decent following.

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    1. Re:Firebug is awesome by master_kaos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      while this is true, I do find firebug easier to use.

    2. Re:Firebug is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Firebug does things Chrome's inspector doesn't do, and vice versa. It's worth having both tools to test with, especially if you work on a variety of projects. It's hardly worth getting "religious" about it, because both environments are free. But I suppose if you MUST pretend one is better than the other, go ahead.

    3. Re:Firebug is awesome by anasciiman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every time this topic comes up, someone like you mentions how you can disable every single "spying" thing... but fail to provide specific details about how/where to do so. Occasionally, they'll tell you to "google it" or "look it up yourself." I find that very curious.

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  2. Re:multiple social providers on the desktop by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't have any social features in my firefox. What? Do you just install every plugin every website you visit suggests to you?

  3. Re:multiple social providers on the desktop by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember when firefox wasn't trying to complete in some stupid version race, and just tried to be the best browser it could possibly be?
    I miss that too.

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  4. Re:Oookkkaaayyy.... by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

    But, to be frank, apart from those, I can't tell the difference between 18, and 20. And looking at the changelog, I can't see anything that says, "I'm a major new version that breaks compatibility with previous versions".

    FF20 added that horrendous download box, for starters...

    Of course, you can revert it back to the more sane old download list by setting browser.download.useToolkitUI to TRUE.

    It isn't that hard to miss in FF20. Not sure what UI breakage they did in 21, though.

  5. Does anyone honestly care? by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember the huge fanfare when Firefox 4 came out, we were on 3.x.x for ages.
    That was what, 2 years ago now I think? And so now we've since had 17 new "versions", it maybe deserves to be 3, at best. My point here? /., we don't need an article every time a new version is released. You don't do this with chrome either, and for good reason.
    They come out too frequently, with too few changes, and frankly very few people honestly care at this point.

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  6. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's passionately apathetic.

  7. Re:Oookkkaaayyy.... by Cochonou · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is supposed to be an important new feature in Firefox 21 (which was not talked about in the summary): h.264 playback with system codecs enabled by default. It is present in Firefox 20, but needed to be enabled manually through about:config.

  8. Re:We need an alternative/fork by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am seriously tired of all the new crap that they keep adding to FF. On new installations I must spend a good amount of time turning stuff off. Most of the features I turn off would be better in an extension or at leasr off by default.

    That's the irony of Firefox. They remove features that people actually find useful, forcing people to create extensions to get the feature back, while at the same time add new useless features that should be implemented as extensions.

  9. Re:furst by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    You do realize that you've just wasted a perfectly good opportunity to write "Twenty-first post!"?

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  10. Re:No. .Just No. by raburton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > What are your concerns with Firefox 21 versus 17?
    > Is it the social api? Is it the health report?

    I don't think it's anything this sensible, I think it's just the version number. I don't really understand what issue people have with it, but that seems to be what's exciting most people. If they just versioned the new releases as point releases there wouldn't be half as many comments to this story. I think having mostly small incremental changes in new full version numbers has really upset some people's sense of normal software conventions and their brains have melted.

  11. Still no support for TLS 1.1 / 1.2 by Aethedor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And the only thing I really want in Firefox is *still* not there. But instead, more crap features.

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  12. Version 21 by loufoque · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally allowed to get drunk.

  13. Re:Oookkkaaayyy.... by hduff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thanks for the "browser.download.useToolkitUI" tip! The new download box was truly horrendous.

    What good is a browser that makes you use about:config to undo all the "improvements"?

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  14. Re:Oookkkaaayyy.... by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, you're absolutely right. I'm swearing off Firefox. Which browser did you say was as user-configurable as Firefox again?

    Until Mozilla's douchebaggery rises to the level of anyone else's, we're all going to sit right here and take the ass-fuckings Moz keeps handing out every few months.

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  15. Revert to old download window by InvisiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    FYI, you can revert to the old download window by setting the browser.download.useToolkitUI option to true in about:config. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/955204

  16. Re:multiple social providers on the desktop by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 3, Funny

    I liked it better when it was Mosaic and the other choices were ... nothing.

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  17. Re:multiple social providers on the desktop by H0p313ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Firefox just comes with the Social API, as with addon APIs, you have to install something, otherwise it's just potential.

    There you go again, bringing logic and reason to an emotional argument. Won't somebody think of the delusional paranoids!

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  18. 'somebody's a badass' by globaljustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://www.chromium.org/Home [chromium.org]

    You're welcome

    See, this isn't a response...and it sure as siht isn't a 'zinger' or a 'witty retort'

    so the hell what, Cromium exists? That does not answer parent's point at all...

    in fact, it actually proves you wrong and him right, if anything, b/c the link was to a Google product's homepage. exactly the kind of useless information the parent was bemoaning...

    jeez way to prove his point for him

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