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In Germany, Offensive Autocomplete Is No Laughing Matter

itwbennett writes "We've all had a chuckle over Google's autocomplete results for various search queries. But one German businessman had a less funny experience when he searched for his name on Google.de: The autocomplete suggested search terms where his name was tied with 'Scientology' and 'fraud' (in German, of course). This was back in 2010. In 2012, a German court ruled that the autocomplete terms did not infringe the plaintiff's privacy. Now, a year later, the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe has overturned that ruling and ordered that Google remove offensive search suggestions when notified."

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  1. Hmm by stewsters · · Score: 1

    How will this affect my business proposal of adding paid autocomplete suggestions?

    You type:
    Che

    And it autofills with:
    Cheeseburgers are delicious at McDonnalds®

    1. Re:Hmm by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

      The notion that McDonalds cheeseburgers are delicious is offensive to cheeseburgers everywhere.

      So don't do this in Germany.

    2. Re:Hmm by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Then you would be busted for false advertising

      "Delicious" is an opinion, not a fact. It can't be false but it can be offensive, "offensive" is also an opinion. My own opinion is that the US goes too far with free speech and Germany does not go far enough.

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    3. Re:Hmm by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Yeah but just as you would be hard pressed to say that calling dogshit delicious wasn't misleading I seriously doubt you'd find even 100 people, excluding the stoners of course who think a 99c bag of generic cookies taste like pepperidge farm, that would say a Mickey D's cheeseburger is delicious. Adequate,affordable, even filling? Sure I'll buy that, but delicious? That word and Mickey D hasn't been on speaking terms since the late 70s.

      In what country is "Mickey D" the colloquialism for Maccas?

    4. Re:Hmm by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      USA which just FYI but we also call Walmart "Wally World", Burger King is BK and beers are usually called brewskis.

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    5. Re:Hmm by jamesh · · Score: 1

      There was an ad featuring a kid and (i think) an american basketball star. The latter would keep saying "Micky D" and the former would keep correcting him because it sounded stupid. I didn't really think the term was in common usage anywhere though. I'm in central Victoria.

  2. South Park was right! by TechieRefugee · · Score: 1

    Sense_of_humor = -German_heritage*x

    1. Re:South Park was right! by TechieRefugee · · Score: 2

      Actually, that should be: sense_of_humor = -humor_coefficient*german_heritage. I clearly need more caffeine.

    2. Re:South Park was right! by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Almost there! Try adding 1, so that the maximum value of sense_of_humor isn't 0. I assume german_heritage is already in the range [0,1].

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  3. Re:Good to know by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Guess they'll ask to remove Hitler and nazi suggestions.

    Godwin's Law hit already. Geeze!

  4. Yes, same in other countries as well. by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 2

    I seem to recall a case in Australia in the last year where Google was asked to remove offensive autocomplete terms, and didn't. And got sued. And lost.

    It's because it's potentially defamatory. And just like I can't write "I saw Soulskill touch a dogs wiener" without potentially being sued, Google can't write that Herr Rolf is a fraud.

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    1. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They aren't writing this. It's a system to show what others are searching for. There is a difference. Normally there is intent to do harm and that isn't the case with Google's system.

    2. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by cgimusic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google are not writing that though. What they would effectively be writing is "'Herr Rolf is a fraud' is one of the most commonly searched terms in our search engine" which would be pretty easy to prove and hence it is not defamatory.

    3. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by Libertarian001 · · Score: 1

      ""just like I can... write "I saw Soulskill touch a dogs wiener" ""

      You saw it too? We should tell Google. And Germany.

    4. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      "Defamatory" means "derogatory". Are you saying that a negative statement isn't negative if it's true? It may not be actionable, but it is still negative.

    5. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by fnj · · Score: 1

      Defamation: Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation ...

    6. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Google isn't writing it. The World Wide Web is. Google's autocomplete is just a nifty tool that compiles all that WWW cross-relationship data and displays it for you in real-time as you type.

      This is shooting the messenger. If RottenTomatoes says that a movie liked by 15% of reviewers, it's wrong to sue RottenTomatoes for reporting that. They're not saying the movie is bad. They're just stating the fact that 85% of reviewers didn't like the movie. Likewise, Google's autocomplete is just stating the fact that the person's name has a high degree of correlation with those other terms on the web.

    7. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      you really want the schnitzel to hit the fan, don't you?

      (doch!)

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    8. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, or traducement—is the communication of a factual statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation." Wikipedia disagrees with you.

      No, it doesn't disagree with him, not that it would amount to anything if it did because it's uncited. The word has always carried the meaning--the legal definition didn't change the common definition, in part because 'defamation' is a word 200 years older than 'derogatory' so the original definition of 'defame' could not possibly be "derogatory".

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    9. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by Xest · · Score: 1

      That and Google is global.

      What if I write a novel about a fraudulent scientologist businessman in my jurisdiction outside of Germany. Should I be penalised on sales of my book because of some asshat half way around the globe whose decided my novel sounds just like them and decides to have the autocomplete for my book removed?

    10. Re:Yes, same in other countries as well. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's more like finishing someone's sentence for them. You say "Herr Rolf..." and I interject with "is a fraud".

      In Europe the media has some responsibility to stand behind what it reports, and merely stating that "some people say" generally isn't enough to avoid libel without further elaboration. The same argument might apply to Google, i.e. "unknown others may have searched for..." is not a defence.

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  5. So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by InvalidError · · Score: 1

    How else would Autocomplete know what is offensive (or not) to you?

    Since what constitutes "offensive" material varies wildly from person to person and also depending on the reason/motives people have to do any particular search, I doubt there is any way for autocomplete to comply.

    I bet the plaintiff would consider my post defending autocomplete's cluenessless offensive.

    1. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that's why the court required the "when notified" part. I don't agree, but at least it is feasible to implement.

    2. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      I have a dictionary online.

      I have perl.

      What's the API for the "notify Google of offensive autocomplete words"?

    3. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by wile_e8 · · Score: 1

      The problem is preventing abuse of this implementation. How soon until companies are notifying Google that they are offended because they don't like what autocomplete is associating with their product? For example, right now when I enter "iphone" in the Google search bar, one of the autocomplete options is "jailbreak". What if Apple notifies Google that they are offended by that? I think it would get even worse when products have negative reviews or make negative news.

    4. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by joh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a dictionary online.

      I have perl.

      What's the API for the "notify Google of offensive autocomplete words"?

      You don't get this. It's not about "offensive words" but about connecting YOU to things you have nothing to do with just by suggesting completions others have searched for.

      So the API is: Type your name into the Google search field and if you get completions that would be libel if published as a headline with your name in it in a newspaper, notify Google as you would notify the newspaper. It's not about search hits or things said on other sites Google just indexed. It's about what Google publishes about YOUR name in the completions and your rights.

    5. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      It's rather the opposite - you should mention it when relevant. What's verboten is to deny it, or use nazi symbols or slogans.

      It seems to work somewhat too - while there still are individuals who preach hatred, there have been no organized atrocities against minorities in Germany after the war, unlike some other countries (better not named not to start a flamewar).

    6. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since what constitutes "offensive" material varies wildly from person to person and also depending on the reason/motives people have to do any particular search

      If I start searching for "muslim teachings" Google will offer me "muslim terrorist" as soon as I type the first "t".

      How long will that hold up if google is held liable for what it's autocomplete algorithm does.

      German courts have their heads up their asses on this one. Autocomplete is nothing more than a basic statistical lookup. Germany is basically making the use of statistics a thought crime.

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    7. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Since what constitutes "offensive" material varies wildly from person to person and also depending on the reason/motives people have to do any particular search, I doubt there is any way for autocomplete to comply.

      That's why we have a lot of objective*, if necessarily somewhat arbitrary, laws, and courts to mete out punishment when someone breaks them. It wouldn't really work if you had one party claiming they'd been wronged by their own standards and the other party just disagreeing and being done with it.

      *that's the idea, anyway, but lawyers have to put food on the table somehow.

      I bet the plaintiff would consider my post defending autocomplete's cluenessless offensive.

      Offensive to him, perhaps - but he certainly wouldn't get very far claiming it was defamation, which is what he's claiming of autocomplete, and is a different thing.

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    8. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by joh · · Score: 2

      You're the one who isn't getting it. I know where the "problem" originated. I'm pointing out that it is quite possible that some people will find the "autocomplete" suggestions offensive no matter what they are, and you might as well point this out to Google by notifying them about every possible word. The implication, which I'll spell out for the slow ones, is that I would write a perl script that would go through the online dictionary and submit every word as offensive.

      You mean like any house owner in Germany could just request his house in Street View to be blanked out?

      And of course you would need to point at a specific completion to your name to have it removed. Submitting a wordlist won't do. Even if you would do this it would just mean that your name wouldn't complete to anything. Hardly catastrophic.

      And Google does this already anyway, just not for your name but for Google's name and for many porn-related things and who knows what else. People search for a lot of things you'll never see as a auto-completion. And if Google is redacting the completions it is responsible for what it publishes by doing this.

    9. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      It seems to work somewhat too - while there still are individuals who preach hatred, there have been no organized atrocities against minorities in Germany after the war,

      Post hoc ergo prompter hoc is a fun fallacy, isn't it?

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    10. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

      It's funny that you left out the last part of the GP's sentence, that made a comparative reference to (albeit unspecified) other countries. Comparing the outcome of different conditions is not a post hoc fallacy. I'm not saying it's not faulty, but not on this basis.

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    11. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      One of the top hits for my name is a page about banging lusty whores.... Not sure if I should be happy or upset about that one.

    12. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by jopsen · · Score: 1

      I think that's why the court required the "when notified" part. I don't agree, but at least it is feasible to implement.

      Actually, I don't understand why Google just doesn't says thanks for reporting the problem, and take a small administrative fee for fixing it (just to cover the 10 min. of fact checking the fix would require to apply).

      On topic, I see the problem that you can be sued for things that an automated system says... On the other hand "when notified" it really shouldn't be hard to fix, certainly not for a company with the resources such as Google. Furthermore, as these are every day tools for millions of people the impact on the individual who is misrepresented is significant.

    13. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You mean like any house owner in Germany could just request his house in Street View to be blanked out?

      The problem with the opt-out model is that you need to go around actively looking for stuff to block. Say Bing decides to do its own version of Street View, you then have to go notify them. Then Nokia releases their version, so another notification. Google then updates Street View and you have to re-submit.

      Yeah, Google puts the images back the next time the Street View car goes around. I removed by car and house and a couple of years later they put it back with a new image. Didn't even bother to notify me, even though they clearly had my email address and knew of my interest from my original removal request.

      There has some be some kind of reasonable compromise here, but the current situation is not it.

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    14. Re:So autocomplete is supposed to read your mind? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Google must act

      Must "act" by breaking statistics?

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  6. Seems fair by bhlowe · · Score: 2

    I think that's fair. I have a software product that used to auto complete with "torrent" and "crack". Made me a little miffed. Eventually google stopped doing that.

    1. Re:Seems fair by joh · · Score: 1

      What if one of your competitors became offended when auto complete results list yours higher and has your product removed all together? Is that far? Their feelings were hurt after all.

      It's not about "hurt feelings". It's about libel, slander and defamation. If you would be able to sue a newspaper if it would print the terms as a headline you should be able to do the same with Google if it does this in the auto-completion. Hurt feelings or feeling offended aren't enough here. Don't believe /. titles, they're fluff and not news.

    2. Re:Seems fair by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Their feelings were hurt after all.

      Defamation is a deliberate untruth spoken for the purpose of harming your reputation, it causes material harm by diminishing your capacity to earn, your feelings about it are irrelevant. You cannot accidentally defame someone, you cannot defame anyone if you or they do not have a reputation to protect. Google does not deliberately defame until it refuses to take down a defamatory association, if they leave it up then as the publisher with a reputation to protect they have deliberately endorsed .the defamatory association. As it is now a competitor with enough money can hire someone to game the system and get whatever association they want to appear in autocomplete, be it good association for themselves or bad associations for their competitors. Stronger defamation laws would help remove some of the most egregious propaganda currently plaguing the MSM.

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  7. In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by Koreantoast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm curious how German law determines what is an "offensive" search. If there's a legal definition, then maybe you can work something, but if "offensive" is determined by the "offended", then Google might as well disable the entire feature as anyone who doesn't like the autocomplete result for their name or term begin banning just about every potentially offensive combination out there.

    1. Re:In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious how German law determines what is an "offensive" search.

      It doesn't. Germany has civil law, not common law.
      Courts decide on a case-by-case basis whether the living law was broken, and a court has no authority to determine how it is to be interpreted, unlike in common law.

    2. Re:In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by stenvar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Standards are pretty low. Calling an airline pilot a "bus driver", calling a store a "fraud" in a review (even if you obviously don't mean it literally), flipping someone off, or using someone's first name if you haven't been introduced are all criminal offenses with prison sentences of up to 1-2 years. True statements can also be criminal offenses.

      http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beleidigung_(Deutschland)

      Flipping someone off behind the wheel generally costs upward of $4000 in penalties, a milder gesture around $1000. Just about anything negative you say to a policeman will get you charged and convicted in Germany.

    3. Re:In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Woodburning stoves are inappropriate in densely populated regions due to concentrated particulate emissions. With major demographic shifts towards higher-density urban conditions, excessive use of faggots and coal in ovens created rather dismal and unhealthy (no fun at all) conditions towards the late 19th century. Of course, even today, in more rural settings, you are still free to enjoy the fun of gathering around a few flaming fags on a cold winter evening.

    4. Re:In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Normally in cases like this it is just whatever the police officer of judge says is offensive/pornography/dangurous.

      The problem with strict written definitions is that they would allow the average citizen to actually understand the legal system and know what is and is not legal; While at the same time preventing judges from just handing out whatever rulings they feel like. So of course the would be unacceptable.

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    5. Re:In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

      Duuuh, your post is confusing. Since Germany has civil law, offenses have to be specifically defined in statutes. Which is the exact contrary of your "it doesn't" in the first part of you post. The second part is more accurate, but comes in almost perfect contradiction to the first.

      Disclaimer: my German is rusty and IANAL, so I don't know how much leeway German courts have to apply established laws to individual cases, nor to which extent the notions of jurisprudence constante and doctrine apply in Germany.

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    6. Re:In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The examples in that Wikipedia article seem to be made up. They are unsourced and I couldn't find evidence of them being true in a brief Google search. I have a feeling some WP editor wanted to make a point that doesn't necessary reflect real life.

      Do you have any evidence that such mild insults have resulted in large fines and/or jail time in Germany?

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    7. Re:In Germany, Who Determines "Offensive"? by stenvar · · Score: 1

      That's like saying you can't find any evidence that police hand out parking tickets in Boston. It's such a common occurrence that it doesn't require more sourcing or evidence on a German site.

      http://web.de/magazine/auto/verkehr-service/8888722-kostet-stinkefinger.html

      Far more worrisome is that politicians, clergy, churches, and their critics threaten each other based on these kinds of laws. This is also a regular occurrence, sometimes even resulting in prison sentences or book banning. Churches and right wing politicians are particularly fond of shielding themselves from criticism that way:

      http://winfuture.de/news,66580.html

      http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deutschland/bundespraesident/wulff-klagt-wegen-beleidigung-bei-facebook-1.2655558

      http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/ein-mann-druckte-koranverse-auf-toilettenpapier-und-schickte-die-blaetter-an-moscheen--das-gericht-verurteilte-ihn-und-verwies-dabei-auch-auf-die-weltpolitische-lage-geeignet--einen-orkan-zu-entfachen,10810590,10365520.html

  8. When I search for Deutschland by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    The first autocomplete is "Deutschland über alles!"
    Now that's offensive.

    1. Re:When I search for Deutschland by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

      Amen!

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    2. Re:When I search for Deutschland by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      it's not as offensive as an ostensible tech site that can't render Unicode characters.

      Yeah, that's über-offensive

  9. Re:Good to know by quantaman · · Score: 1

    That Freedom of speech in Germany is dead. Mental note...

    Slander is excepted from free speech in a lot of places. Say your name is "Bob Somelastname" and when you type "Bob Somelastname" into google it autosuggests 'pedophile', are you saying you should have no recourse and that should stay up forever? The court isn't saying google is liable for damages, they're just saying they have to remove the particular suggestions when notified.

    Of course Google can't investigate every complaint that comes in, so what this could mean is the German Google won't have slanderous autosuggests for anyone (at least not anyone smart enough to complain) which will reduce its effectiveness but also remove a ton of false positives.

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  10. Personality rights by saibot834 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Freedom of speech is not dead in Germany. The constitution just put a different (higher) weight on personality rights.

    In this case, googleing the name "Bettina Wulff" of the first lady would autocomplete to things like "escort" and "prostitute", because some people wrongfully tried to make a past life as a prostitute stick to her public image (which has been shown is just nonsense).

    Now, I would agree that it is perfectly reasonable to put a higher weight on the right of free speech. But personality rights, and the right to be protected from libel are also important. Those are two legally protected values that have to be carefully balanced.

    1. Re:Personality rights by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      In this case, googleing the name "Bettina Wulff" of the first lady would autocomplete to things like "escort" and "prostitute",

      Hmmm . . . when I enter "Bettina Wulff" into amazon.de, it suggests to me:

      Kunden, die Betinna Wulff gekauft haben, kauften auch: . . .

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    2. Re:Personality rights by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Poor Rick Santorum, he can't even claim his name doesn't mean anal leakage because, well, it does.

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  11. Re:Good to know by Loether · · Score: 3, Informative

    Germany already has many anti nazi laws in place. For example holocaust denial is verboten. Google has removed many neo nazi and old style nazi sites for Germany.

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  12. It's all relative by DougOtto · · Score: 1

    The Germany loves David Hasselhoff.

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  13. You think THAT'S bad...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...you should see what it does when I Google my name...!

    Sincerely,

    Harry Fagina

  14. Re:Good to know - Steve Hughes - What's wrong wit by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 2

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b48_1305790944

    German's may not want to watch, in fear of being offended.

  15. Potential for abuse... by hguorbray · · Score: 1

    I can see this abused by organizations and individuals who have perpetrated frauds on people or who have acted in other devious and underhanded ways to make it more difficult to find sites that expose their activities (ie Scientology mind control, fraud, etc)

    All they would have to do was to point to some civil suit that they had against the people making the alleged false claims to 'prove' that they were fighting these baseless accusations and that the results should be removed from autocomplete

    I can see this also requiring rooms full of lawyers testing google searches to look for potential infringements.

    the thing that comes to my mind is anytime I see a questionable website in an email or webpost I run it through google and it often suggests 'malware', 'virus' or 'trojan' which might offend someone who was selling some piece of crap like 'speedupmypc' or something

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  16. Re:Good to know by sabri · · Score: 1, Troll

    Exactly. Once more, this German court has confirmed that Germany has no freedom of speech. Everything that is outside of the realm of what the majority feels is appropriate, is forbidden. Whether that be related to the war, the poor, the economic situation, or prostitution.

    Es ist verboten! I'm surprised people haven't applied for political asylum in the U.S. yet. Here, speech has at least some constitutional protection.

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  17. Re:Good to know by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you like, nor does it mean you get an audience.

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  18. Re:Good to know by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    It's slightly different. We never actually had that to begin with. Or rather what is called freedeom of speech is defined as "the freedom of opinion and the right to freely express it as such"

    This wording excludes libel and slander right from the start (which aren't protected speech in the US either if I remember right)

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  19. Re:Good to know by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That Freedom of speech in Germany is dead. Mental note...

    Slander is excepted from free speech in a lot of places. Say your name is "Bob Somelastname" and when you type "Bob Somelastname" into google it autosuggests 'pedophile', are you saying you should have no recourse and that should stay up forever?

    If a lot of people are entering the search query "Bob Somelastname pedophile" then Google autocomplete will add the word "pedophile" whenever someone types "Bob Somelastname". Google is not trying to be offensive, its just an algorithm that is based on the most common searches. This is simply how it is supposed to work.

    People really need to shut the fuck up and stop being "offended" by every little thing.

  20. What if by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    What if Google just removes auto complete for everyone in Germany? 'cause how are they supposed to know what someone may find offensive?

    1. Re:What if by houghi · · Score: 1

      Great idea. I hope they do that where I live as well.

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    2. Re:What if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'cause how are they supposed to know what someone may find offensive?

      The don't have to. They merely have to remove suggestions that are reported to them as offensive. The potential for abuse notwithstanding, it should be trivial for Google to adhere to this requirement.

    3. Re:What if by joh · · Score: 1

      They are supposed to know it by people with the name completing to something that borders on libel telling them about it.

  21. Re:inoffensive in all possible languages by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    Is there an empirical study of the probability of any autocomplete being offensitve in some language?

    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess 'no,' based on the simple observation that "being offensive" is purely subjective, and thus diametrically opposed to empirical data.

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  22. Potential to fight abuse actually by joh · · Score: 2

    This is not about search terms or search hits but just about autocomplete. It's not about hiding what you did, but about not slapping people looking for you or your company into the face with terms that come solely from other people searching for something (and maybe even not finding anything).

    I mean, if I start to type your name into Google and Google suggests completions of "sells drugs to minors" just because people search for this in connection with your name (or someone else with the same name) you wouldn't be happy either.

    Besides: Google already IS redacting autocompletion heavily. It weeds out completions reeking of sex, of anything negative about Google itself... By doing this the completions become an edited publication and Google is responsible for what it "publishes" here.

    It's much more about rights (of affected individuals) than about anything else. I don't think there's anything wrong with this. There's nobody else beside Google you can turn to to get this "publication" corrected or to sue (in case of libel), because it's Google who's publishing rumours here.

    1. Re:Potential to fight abuse actually by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It weeds out completions reeking of sex, of anything negative about Google itself

      I tried typing in "gmail su" and it suggested "gmail sucks". The adult material filter is correct but they don't censor stuff about themselves.

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    2. Re:Potential to fight abuse actually by V+for+Vendetta · · Score: 1

      Besides: Google already IS redacting autocompletion heavily. It weeds out completions [...] of anything negative about Google itself...

      Funnily enough, not in Germany. Typing "Google ist " results in (translated):

      • Google is stupid
      • Google is dumb
      • Google is a monstrosity
      • Google is gay
    3. Re:Potential to fight abuse actually by joh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Google isn't filtering everything (hardly possible anyway) but it can filter what it wants and filters a lot. Giving the actual user the right to blacklist completions to his name is necessary because there's nothing else he can do. If some other website publishes things that are libel or defamation he can go after whoever publishes this. In case of auto-completions it's Google who does the publishing, so the user MUST have the right to go after Google.

  23. Re:Good to know by quantaman · · Score: 1

    I never claimed it wasn't an algorithm (though I don't know if it's actually that simple) but that doesn't change the fact that people googling that name aren't going to get a pretty ugly suggestion about you.

    Are you really telling me you wouldn't get a bit offended if Google autocompleted pedophile onto your name?

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  24. Re:inoffensive in all possible languages by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    Alright, well, maybe not diametrically opposed - I suppose you could create a dataset based on the opinions of what all speakers of a particular language consider offensive, cull the list down to just the terms that all surveyed name as offensive, then compare it against a list of existing autocompletion terms... But damn, what a stupid waste of fucking time that would be!

    A better plan: Let's all join together and decide, conclusively, that:

    A) No one has a right to be offended, and

    B) No harm == no foul

    Seems a lot more practical.

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  25. Re:Good to know by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

    Exactly. Once more, this German court has confirmed that Germany has no freedom of speech.

    Your signature is wrong. You _are_ a complete idiot.

  26. Re:Good to know by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    What suggestions? The German people were on vacation from 1939 to 1945.

  27. Re:Good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you like

    Actually it does, at least in terms of ideas. That's why where freedom of speech is limited in the states, it's not broad but very specific. The idea of fires in theaters, whether in fantasy or theories or reporting on actual fires is not forbidden in the US, just yelling it in cases which can cause a deadly stampede.

    Germany otoh, has a free speech clause in it's constitution but has a whole host of illegal ideas, which is the exact opposite of free speech.

  28. Re:Good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you like

    Doesn't sound like freedom to me.

  29. Re:Good to know by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 1

    If it has limits, it is not Freedom. I agree with the latter, and I agree that the former is the way that things are done in the majority of the world, but I don't agree that it's right.

  30. Google does this already by joh · · Score: 1

    I'm curious how German law determines what is an "offensive" search. If there's a legal definition, then maybe you can work something, but if "offensive" is determined by the "offended", then Google might as well disable the entire feature as anyone who doesn't like the autocomplete result for their name or term begin banning just about every potentially offensive combination out there.

    Google avoids lots of completions already. You won't get completions about many things that Google deems to be offensive, like sexual terms (even porn actors) or negative things about Google. Google does this fairly arbitrarily with no documented rules or anything. It's not that adding something to a blacklist if someone requests this in connection with his name would be anything major to this. In fact it would just give you some rights that Google assumes for itself as a matter of course.

    Note that in Germany Google also was required to blank out houses in street view in Google Maps if the owner requested this.

  31. Re:Good to know by SJester · · Score: 1

    More to the point, the lawyer wasn't offended. Who gets offended by a computer? But he was screwed. How could you attract clients if searching for your name (to find a phone number, for example, or a review) instead strongly implied that you frighten sheep and small children?

  32. This is getting ridiculus by kawabago · · Score: 1

    For all the help auto complete is, I'd be quite happy to lose it entirely. On the other hand, auto complete should be different on each user's machine because the users past searches influence the results shown. Also, other users may want to see the results this user complains of. In a world with so many people having the same name, trying to control your name bumps up against the rights of everyone else that has the same name. People have to accept that auto complete is not an information source in itself. To suggest it is result's in silliness like this.

    1. Re:This is getting ridiculus by joh · · Score: 1

      So tell Google not to customize completions for "Google". And to not filter out anything related to porn. And probably lots of other things Google will never tell you about.

  33. Re:Good to know by he-sk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're referring to Mein Kampf, you're mistaken. Publishing excerpts of it is prosecuted in civil courts, but only because the Bavarian state claims the copyright. When Hitler killed himself, his estate went to the state, including the publishing rights of that book. The copyright is about to expire after which everybody will be free to print copies in Germany.

    On the other hand, distribution and use of some symbols commonly associated with Nazi ideology is a prohibited by the law. If and how much freedom of speech is restricted by these laws is a matter of debate. Certainly, the US is more permissive in this regard, but one should not forget that these laws grew out of denazification regulations instituted by the Allied occupation forces after World War 2.

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  34. Re:Good to know by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Work for the RIAA?

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  35. Re:Good to know by stenvar · · Score: 2

    This wording excludes libel and slander right from the start (which aren't protected speech in the US either if I remember right)

    Libel and slander are civil matters in the US; in Germany, they are criminal matters and potentially carry jail terms. Germany also has jail terms (up to three years) for insulting religions.

  36. Is Gay website by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    There was once a website that was called isgay.com basically what you did was put in a sub-domain such as Billy-Bob.isgay.com and it would then take you to a newspaper style article that went on and on about how gay billy-bob was. Needless to say it was autogenerated from the sub-domain that you entered. The best part of the website was a section listing their hate-mail. Basically it consisted of "I HAVE CONTACTED THE INTERNET POLICE....blah blah." I think some of their haters were crying when writing it thinking that they had been outed.

    All this guy has basically done is to engage the classic Streisand effect (I wonder if she is angry at her name becoming a meme for stupid on the internet) and now the 99% of Germans who didn't associate his name to Scientology now will.

    1. Re:Is Gay website by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

      And know it was inaccurate to begin with, which is the opposite of the Streisand Effect.

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  37. Re:Good to know by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    It's a valid comment, and the problem was that he recognized his own slippery slope and used it to support a bad decision.

    Yelling fire in a theater is a bad thing. It's the application of that to "show" that passing out a communist flier should be illegal because it's like yelling fire in a theater. Yelling fire in a theater is illegal, so not all speech is always protected. Now that we are in agreement that we don't have "free speech" in the USA. The follow up question is "where do we draw the line?"

    Fire in a theater helps us understand this and leads to discussion on it.

  38. Re:Good to know by joh · · Score: 4, Informative

    If a lot of people are entering the search query "Bob Somelastname pedophile" then Google autocomplete will add the word "pedophile" whenever someone types "Bob Somelastname". Google is not trying to be offensive, its just an algorithm that is based on the most common searches.

    Sorry, but no. Google already filters out LOTS of things, among them many words related to porn and many things Google doesn't like to see connected to its name if you start to type "Google". Nobody knows what else they filter here. Basically Google is redacting its auto-completion heavily already.

    If this were indeed a plain algorithm I would tend to agree with you. But it isn't.

  39. Re:Good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I dunno, I was pretty sure I had Freedom of Movement, but whenever I walk into other people homes, they get cranky and call police on me. "Freedoom of Movement" is a sham then, I guess

  40. Re:Good to know by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    You saw hundreds, you just thought them Mexican.

  41. Re:Good to know by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

    Well, when you can be put in prison for three years just for saying words of praise about Adolf Hitler, I don't exactly think they had freedom of speech to begin with. It's not the United States, you know... and even here there are exceptions.

  42. Re:Good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, Germany has not exactly a "freedom of speach" clause in the constitution. Freedom of speach is not even something actually translateable to German (perhaps Redefreiheit?). After all "freedom of speach" taken literally is quite a strange concept, much like "freedom to move".

    What Germany has are freedom of opinion, freedom of art, freedom of press and some other things.
    If you translate "freedom of speach" to German and then back what you get is "freedom of opinion", which is the freedom to have an opinion and to state your opinion. Which is a much more precise term, because it has not the problem of all those "yelling fire" problems. If you talk about general "speach" you have to determine which speach is protected and which not, because it is obvious that not everything can be protected (heck, even in the US you get a full list of criminal offenses you almost can commit only by speaking or writing). While with opinion it is much easier: If it is an expression of your opinion, it is protected (and absolutely protected, not overrideable by any practical considerations like your "freedom of speach" often is.). If it is about claiming facts (Tatsachenbehauptungen) it is not (ast least not by freedom of opinion).

  43. Re:Good to know by Alastor187 · · Score: 2

    Yelling fire in a theater is a bad thing. It's the application of that to "show" that passing out a communist flier should be illegal because it's like yelling fire in a theater. Yelling fire in a theater is illegal, so not all speech is always protected. Now that we are in agreement that we don't have "free speech" in the USA. The follow up question is "where do we draw the line?"

    Fire in a theater helps us understand this and leads to discussion on it.

    Actually it doesn't help because more often than not it is misquoted. The actual quote is:

    The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.

    The emphasis is mine. Falsely shouting fire in order to create a panic is illegal, or rather the person making the speech is accountable of the resulting harm. However, shouting fire in a crowded movie that is actually on fire is not illegal, as most reasonable people would agree that there is a moral responsibility to letting others know of imminent danger.

  44. Re:Good to know by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Didn't you know, "freedom" is whatever USA has at any given moment? As the liberties change, the definition of freedom changes with it. This is how we can say "land of the free" without choking on the words.

  45. Animal Trials by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

    This is like medieval animal trials and nearly as ridiculous.

    Algorithms are not sentient beings, nor are they created with malicious or slanderous intent. They are, perhaps, imperfect, but you'd have to be a complete moron to legislate or judicially mandate perfection (oh, wait...)

    If history is any indication, I shudder at the thought that it could be centuries before have even remotely sane tech policy.

  46. Re:Good to know by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Are you really telling me you wouldn't get a bit offended if Google autocompleted pedophile onto your name?

    I am offended by lots of things I read and hear everyday. That does not justify censorship. There is no "right to not be offended."

  47. Re:Good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The general complaint is still true: in Germany (and most other EU countries), the freedom of speech is generally limited to what the majority finds acceptable.

    That is not true at all. One can claim the same about the US and just be as correct as that.

    In the U.S. the opposite is true. For example, the idiots of the Westboro Baptist Church can say and protest as much as they want, even though 99.999% of the U.S. population absolutely hates them (that includes me). Whould they have lived in Germany, they would have been in jail a long time ago.

    Can you name me a law that would have put them in jail? I might be missing what they do, but if they only put those pesky "God hates fags" signs, then I see nothing applicable.

    But I will defend their freedom to express themselves

    Please, stop that pathetic slogan. You are not defending their freedom. You are defending your misunderstanding of the world.

    , in that regard (note the 'in that regard', I'm sure other things are better in .de).

    Like in Germany you have a codified freedom of opinion. An matter of opinion can not be an insult and cannot otherwise be against any law (as freedom of opinion tops any other law). From what wikipedia claims with all your "freedom of speach" you do not even have that in the US.

  48. Re:Good to know by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you really telling me you wouldn't get a bit offended if Google autocompleted pedophile onto your name?

    I am offended by lots of things I read and hear everyday. That does not justify censorship. There is no "right to not be offended."

    I was originally talking slander, the person who replied to me said they wouldn't be offended (which I found unlikely), but the original complaint was and still is about slander.

    If someone googles your name and they see 'pedophile' come up, they're going to get a strong negative impression of you (especially if it's a somewhat unique name). If your livelihood or reputation is strongly tied to what people see when they look for you online that can have pretty drastic consequences and I'd say that's potentially slanderous.

    The fix, telling Google, 'pedophile' and 'fraud' are both really ugly terms and I don't want them suggested with my name since I'm neither, sets a potentially pad precedent but it's particularly damaging to Google.

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  49. Re:Good to know by sabri · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you name me a law that would have put them in jail? I might be missing what they do, but if they only put those pesky "God hates fags" signs, then I see nothing applicable.

    here you go.

    Please, stop that pathetic slogan. You are not defending their freedom. You are defending your misunderstanding of the world.

    On the contrary. As soon as those idiots from the WBC are being silenced, someone else will be next. This is the same mechanism that is used for other methods of government surveillance. It starts out as anti-terrorism or anti-child pornography, but will soon be used for petty crimes and regular unwarranted searches.

    Like in Germany you have a codified freedom of opinion. An matter of opinion can not be an insult and cannot otherwise be against any law (as freedom of opinion tops any other law). From what wikipedia claims with all your "freedom of speach" you do not even have that in the US.

    German law differs a lot from U.S. law. German law is eventually governed by the European Convention on Human Rights. This, in turn, provides an exception for "protection of morals". Which is exactly the clause that undermines the entire protection, as "morals" are locally defined. The U.S. constitution does not have that exception, which is why it is my belief that freedom of speech is better protected in the U.S.

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  50. Re:Good to know by harperska · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are correct in that the nature of free speech limitations can be different in the US vs. Germany. However, the limitations to free speech in the US are actually more broad rather than more specific. In the US, limitations are only based on broad categories such as libel, rather than making specific ideas illegal. For example, I can not legally publicly say that you enjoy frequent coitus with your mother. If false, it is libel/slander, and if true, a violation of your right to privacy (assuming you consider dissemination of such information damaging). But publicly proclaiming you to be a motherfscker is illegal not because statements regarding maternal copulation are explicitly outlawed, but because they fall under a restricted category.

    OTOH, the topic of TFA is regarding a category, not a specific idea, specifically speech that violates ones right to privacy. As such, it is conceivable that a US court could make the same ruling that the German court did in this case.

  51. Re:Good to know by harperska · · Score: 1

    This is actually very interesting if true. However, I am curious whether all freedom of opinion is actually protected in Germany. Specifically, I was under the impression that claiming facts about nazis was ok, as in holocaust museums etc., but claiming the opinion that nazis were awesome and should be emulated is what is not allowed.

    Disclaimer, I hold the opinion that all nazis should go burn in a fire, and the 'nazis were awesome' comment is purely 100% just playing devil's advocate. Just to make sure we're clear.

  52. Hello Mr. google by sivo · · Score: 1

    Hello Mr. Google, I'd like to know more about discrimination in the military! Oh... according to Google the military is the most tolerant organization on earth! That's weird, can't seem to find any articles that I found last month saying otherwise. Must have pulled the articles when they found out how wrong they were.

  53. Re:No, it doesn't need to read your mind by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

    Google is required to remove offensive autocompletes when notified

    Why would anyone think there's a right to not be offended?

    This is pretty much how copyright violations work.

    Which I believe is garbage as well.

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  54. Stupid Foreign Courts by skyraker · · Score: 1, Interesting

    1) German court cannot 'force' Google to do anything of the sort. Such matters are covered by international treaty, and the proper US response to such a request would be to state that this is a case of protected speech. 2) Boo-hoo. It's auto-complete.

    1. Re:Stupid Foreign Courts by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      1) German court cannot 'force' Google to do anything of the sort.

      Sure they can, because google does business in Germany. Of course they could "take their ball and go home", but who'd want to stop being the dominant online advertiser in a $4Tn economy? That would be like abandoning California, Texas and New Your simultaneously.

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    2. Re:Stupid Foreign Courts by skyraker · · Score: 1

      You forget the opposite. If Google takes its business away from Germany, Germany loses any taxes it gets from Google. I think I need to go read the article again. It seemed that the court was trying to force something on Google as a whole, which they cannot do because Google is a US company. If it is only directed at software/hardware only available in Germany, then they can. It's like what happened with Microsoft. EU judgement didn't affect what they did with software elsewhere as it applied to localized versions..

    3. Re:Stupid Foreign Courts by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Germany loses any taxes it gets from Google.

      hehe good one. What taxes?

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  55. Re:Good to know by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 2
    The law in Germany sounds great, the equivalent of "let's move the f on".

    There is little gain in sitting around debating or discussing events from 70+ years ago that have been beaten to death worse than a dead horse.

    I would like a law outlawing atheists and Christians from discussing evolution while relating it to religion. It is boring as hell, goes nowhere interesting and you hear the worst possible opinions.

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  56. Re:Good to know by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

    freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you like

    Uh, yes, actually, that's exactly what it means.

    Restrictions can be placed on where, when, and how you say it in order to protect the rights of others (you don't have a right to blare it from loudspeakers at 3am and disturb my right to reasonable peace and quiet, you don't have a right to say it while waving a knife and disturb my right to reasonable safety, etc.), but in terms of content, you can say whatever you damn well please. Any government that doesn't recognize that doesn't recognize freedom of speech.

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  57. Re:Good to know by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 2
    Google isn't a person and a company does what it does for profit.

    Accountability comes with that.

    You see don't Google auto-completing Sergey Brin's name and saying "Did you mean dog rapist?" If it did, don't you think Google would change it ASAP?

    Google's marketshare is too large and the use of its services is too widespread to just let some guy's reputation be hurt by offensive autocompletes.

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  58. Re:Good to know by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

    Or maybe it could be said that yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater objectively causes risk of harm due to panic, but that it can be deemed as necessary if there actually is a fire.

    You know, just like some people have a legal pass for stabbing you with sharp objects under some circumstances.

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  59. Re:Good to know by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    So you believe that yelling "fire" in a crowded area with the intention of causing immediate harm should be legal, if it isn't already?

  60. Free speech? by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

    A lot of you are ignoring one important fact: Google is not a person.

    Does a company even have a right to free speech?

    Also, Google claims it's simply repeating what others typed into the search box, so it can hardly count as Google exercising free speech rights, correct?

    Now if it was a private person we're talking about and they typed that text by themselves, they'd be in for slander. And that even in the US. Case closed.

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    1. Re:Free speech? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Google is not a person.

      "Corporations are people, my friend." :-P

  61. Re:Good to know by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    Well, on the other hand there is no right to life in the USA. Personally I think it is far worse - what good is freedom of speech if you are dead, but surely YMMV.

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  62. Re:Good to know by DrXym · · Score: 1
    No it doesn't. Even in the US there are laws that limit "free speech" such as malicious slander. So I can't go around saying you raped a kid when I know you did not.

    As for Germany, I expect their limits on particular forms of speech have a little something to do with them underpinning and justifying the systematic slaughter of millions of people. They're probably just a tad sensitive to people perpetuating the same ideas which arguably are malicious slander against an entire culture. Racist attacks and neo-Nazi movements are still a real problem for the country. Even this week a neo-Nazi "kill squad" is on trial for the murdering 10 people.

  63. Re:Good to know by Smauler · · Score: 2

    [I]n terms of content, you can say whatever you damn well please. Any government that doesn't recognize that doesn't recognize freedom of speech.

    No.... no you can't. There are things like official secrets. There are things like libel (which although not criminal in itself _is_ backed up by the criminal system - if you don't pay, you go to jail).

    There are things like AACS and DeCSS, which made numbers illegal. Just because people get away with it all the time, does not make it not illegal. People have been prosecuted for propagating numbers.

    Fraud laws are a restriction on free speech - Fraud, almost by definition is all about speech, if it wasn't it'd be theft.

    And of course, there's the big restriction on free speech : copyright.

    I'm personally for some restrictions on free speech... people who claim they have absolute free speech are just wrong.

  64. Re:Good to know by Raenex · · Score: 1

    Please note the first two will get you in trouble in the US well

    Please, there is no law against "insulting" somebody in the US. Comedians make their living at it.

    You can curse as you want in TV, you can say shit, you can show nipples

    You've got us there, but these days broadcast TV is not nearly as significant as it used to be. There's plenty of places to get your boobs or swears on television or elsewhere.

    you can talk bad of the church if you want to. Try that in america and see how you literally can cried down (not from the law but from many part of society). Chances are high a quite number of disturbed people will demand you get killed.

    People bad-mouth the "church" all the time, and here I mean religion in general because there is no singular "church" in the United States. There are no lynch mobs out for these people. One Muslim idiot made some threats against the South Park creators and that made the news, and that idiot was arrested and sentenced.

  65. Re:Good to know by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2

    Then again, the States are slipping. Germany does have a number of restrictions (mostly revolving around Nazis or causing violence) but we're utterly bewildered by the American concept of "free speech zones", which apparently allow for the selective exclusion of arbitrary viewpoints from an event. (That's probably not what the law says they do but that's how they seem to be used.)

    Come on, guys! We're supposed to defend human dignity to the point of restricting freedom of speech and you're supposed to defend freedom of speech to the point of restricting human dignity. What's next, America requiring all blood in video games to be green? That's our wart, get your own!

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  66. Re:Good to know by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    That does not justify censorship.

    I think you're stretching the moral point of free speech considerably.

    This is not restricting anything produced by a human, it's restricting the output of a non sentient machine. I am a ver yardent supporter of freedom of speech, but I do not see how it extends to the ramblings of a machine (distinct of course from the mechanically translated ramblings of a _person_).

    There is no "right to not be offended."

    There is a right not to be slandered.

    Tacking "pedo" onto someones name when there is absoloutely no evidence for it is basically slander / libel (depending on how the tacking on is done).

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  67. Re:Good to know by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

    The U.S. constitution does not have that exception, which is why it is my belief that freedom of speech is better protected in the U.S.

    Having just moved from the U.S. to Germany late last year (and being married to a German), I'm inclined to say on paper the U.S. is better protected, but in life that is probably not true. There's a lot of speech suppression in both the U.S. and Germany. Nowhere near as much as most other countries in the world, but plenty enough to make an argument that Germany may come out ahead of the U.S. on freedom of speech.

  68. Tell it like it is. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Here's how Google should comply.

    Seargh: George Whoever

    1. George Whoever (censored by German government)
    2 . George Whoever (censored by German government)
    3 . George Whoever (censored by German government)
    4 . George Whoever (censored by German government)
    5 . George Whoever (censored by German government)
    etc.

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  69. Re:What if my name was Hitler by epSos-de · · Score: 1

    Your comment is more valid than you think. There are a few people who are named Hitler or Adolf in Germany. They are usually older. I have heard of one personally. They are usually immigrants from the former German exile communities from the eastern Europe and Kazakhstan. Due to different regulation and history, they were forced to keep their names. The Germans themselves managed to change their family names, if it was associated with Nazis in any way.

  70. Re:Good to know by harperska · · Score: 1

    Since we are comparing two very different legal systems - US's being based in the common law tradition and Germany's being purely statutory law, I used the term 'illegal' in the broadest sense of 'in opposition to the law of the land' regardless of whether that law is civil or criminal.

  71. Re:Good to know by Meski · · Score: 1

    How about yelling "fire" in a theatre showing "The Inferno" ?