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Apache OpenOffice Downloaded 50 Million Times In a Year

An anonymous reader writes with this quick bite from the H: "Just a few days after the one year anniversary of the release of the first version of OpenOffice from the Apache Foundation (Apache OpenOffice 3.4) on 8 May 2012, the project can now boast 50 million downloads of the Open Source office suite. 10 million of those downloads happened since the beginning of March. In contrast, LibreOffice claimed it had 15 million unique downloads of its office suite in all of 2012."

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  1. It is a shame that OpenOffice gets the nice name.. by duckgod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and LibreOffice gets everything else. LibreOffice is such a better piece of software after all the hard work done since the fork. But sometimes even when talking to my techy friends I have to elaborate when I say I created the doc in "LibreOffice".

  2. unique vs total? by trybywrench · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're going to make the comparison between the two download counts they need to be the same as in unique vs unique or total vs total but not total vs unique.

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    1. Re:unique vs total? by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention that Ubuntu has LibreOffice pre-installed, so none of those users have a reason to download LibreOffice. That could skew the download counts.

  3. Bet that LibrOffice download count doesn't include by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    downloads of all the distributions that use it.

  4. Marketing by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    LibreOffice is such a better piece of software after all the hard work done since the fork. But sometimes even when talking to my techy friends I have to elaborate when I say I created the doc in "LibreOffice".

    ^ So, so much this. Seems like only the geeks have figured out that LibreOffice exists, and these numbers only confirm my suspicions.

    LibreOffice needs some kind of marketing push to get people to switch.

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    1. Re:Marketing by kimvette · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Better yet, merge projects. Use LibreOffice as the new base and port whatever optimizations and enhancements OOo has over. Now that Oracle has washed their hands of OOo there is no "philosophical" reason not to do it.

      I prefer LibreOffice over OOo myself, but I prefer either one over the user-hostile ribbon interface of Microsoft Office where it has been turned into a game of hide-and-seek.

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    2. Re:Marketing by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Uhhh...why? What difference at the end of the day does it make if they use OO or LO, they are both FOSS correct? Frankly you shouldn't care one way or the other whether you get 65 million OO or LO or a combination of the two.

      Honestly I'd say in the grand scheme of things both OO and LO are irrelevant, as the ones that can most use it, home users, are increasingly not opting for any office software at all. Hell i stopped including an office suite in my default install ages ago unless they specifically ask for it because I found they just weren't being used, most users are too busy with FB and twitter and a thousand other sites to really care about office software one way or another. And some might bitch at me saying so but businesses can't really use either because Writer is pretty piss poor when it comes to handling complex office docs and don't even get me started on Calc which doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as Excel.

      At the end of the day I'm finding fewer and fewer home users use this stuff anymore, its like stand alone email clients in that way, its just no longer relevant to the majority. But I don't see how its "bad" that OO gets downloaded more than LO, that seems like its just splitting hairs as its not like its gonna "hurt" LO one way or another, anymore than people say using Gnome over KDE is really gonna hurt anything, its a personal preference thing really.

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    3. Re:Marketing by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2

      Depends on how you download. In Fedora, I typed this, and got LibreOffice:

      >sudo yum install openoffice

      But, if you go to the openoffice website looking for a download, there's no mention of LibreOffice there at all.

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    4. Re:Marketing by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LibreOffice is absolutely excellent. Except I think of the "Nacho Libre" movie and I can't see myself saying "Libre" in casual conversation and it sounds exceptionally geeky and not mainstream. Not as bad as "The Gimp" in the name department, but yes the name absolutely falls in the "not helpful department". Versus, say, Firefox which always had a good name or MYSQL was always a good name.

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    5. Re:Marketing by Nutria · · Score: 2

      LibreOffice recently rebased onto Apache OO

      1) That was almost a year ago.
      2) If they just kept copying files over from Apache OO, then they'd lose all the code refactoring they've been doing.

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    6. Re:Marketing by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      It was not just ideology. Basically they had issues getting their patches accepted. There were also a lot of people in LibreOffice who wanted to ditch Java as a requirement because it makes the suite even slower than it needs to be.

  5. Meh... by ndtechnologies · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whoopdie doo. I honestly moved to LibreOffice as soon as it forked. True that OO.o has more mindshare, but LibreOffice is better. I simply tell people "they renamed it", lol.

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  6. Of course OO has a higher number of D/Ls... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Informative

    LibreOffice comes pre-packed in most Linux distributions. If you want OpenOffice you have to download it from Apache.

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    1. Re:Of course OO has a higher number of D/Ls... by Palestrina · · Score: 2

      The fact that LibreOffice has never broken out their Windows download numbers (which would be trivial for them to do) speaks louder than any other argument. If the numbers were favorable we would have already seen their "infographics" on this.

  7. Good Job by trifish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OpenOffice is now proper open source as it is under Apache Foundation. There is absolutely no reason to maintain two branches of it now. It only dilutes the effort and weakens the well-known OpenOffice brand. You should end the fork before it does even more harm.

    1. Re:Good Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OpenOffice is now proper open source as it is under Apache Foundation. There is absolutely no reason to maintain two branches of it now. It only dilutes the effort and weakens the well-known OpenOffice brand. You should end the fork before it does even more harm.

      Fine by me, end the OpenOffice fork and give LibreOffice the name. That is what Oracle should have done when they decided to hand OO over to someone else.

    2. Re:Good Job by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      If the efforts actually merge back together, it is more likely that LibreOffice would join Apache/OpenOffice and not the other way around.

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    3. Re:Good Job by wisesifu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I disagree,

      OpenOffice brand was already damaged by Oracle and I believe by giving it to Apache they wanted to continue the damaging effect of the way they handled to community.

      Why not give it to LibreOffice? When they realized they where wrong and it was time to dump the code, why give it to Apache? Why not give it to the people already doing development, previous community members?

      I think OpenOffice while it may have been downloaded more times its LibreOffice with the uptrend, with the following.

    4. Re:Good Job by Palestrina · · Score: 2

      LO was able to get all of their developers to agree to change the license from LGPL to MPL3. If they asked politely maybe they could get a change to Apache?

      In other words it is a community/political challenge, not a legal problem.

    5. Re:Good Job by Microlith · · Score: 3, Informative

      I doubt they will be able to get them to go from the MPL3 to the Apache license. The transition from LGPL -> MPL3 maintained the copyleft nature of the license, going to Apache would eliminate it. I suspect it would be significantly more difficult to get people to agree to that.

  8. Re:It is a shame that OpenOffice gets the nice nam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should have called it OfficeLibre and used a syilized picture of Che for their logo.

  9. Re:It is a shame that OpenOffice gets the nice nam by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally, I say "OpenOffice" anyway when I mean LibreOffice. It has more currency with less technical people and those who never update, and only occasionally does it prompt a concerned stare when someone actually knows the distinction. Maybe we could just go back to calling it StarOffice?

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  10. Re:It is a shame that OpenOffice gets the nice nam by Qubit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally, I say "OpenOffice" anyway when I mean LibreOffice.

    *concerned stare* ...that's very interesting.

    It has more currency with less technical people and those who never update, and only occasionally does it prompt a concerned stare when someone actually knows the distinction.

    Speaking as a LibreOffice user and contributor, I am impressed that the OpenOffice name is so well known these days. I remember a number of years ago when *nobody* knew the name "OpenOffice" ("Is that some kind of template pack plugin thing for Word?"). It's very interesting to hear that now the name is well known enough that technically-minded users use the OpenOffice name to refer to both LO and AOO. Brand recognition is really quite strong!

    Questions for you:

    • What do you think LibreOffice should do to make its brand more recognizable?
    • How 'known' would the project need to be for you to start calling it "LibreOffice" ?

    Maybe we could just go back to calling it StarOffice?

    Well the binary is still called "soffice" :-)

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  11. Rob Weir, is that you? by jensend · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rather convenient Slashvertising, comparing total downloads for AOO with unique downloads for LO.

    AOO has been too busy removing functionality (my personal favorite: the wpd filter), having a license inquisition, and taking potshots at LO to get much done.

    Here it's now almost 2.5 years since OO 3.3, the last Oracle version, and the latest AOO version has no significant advances over OO 3.3-- instead it's got reduced functionality. In the meantime LibreOffice 4 has come a long way.

    Don't know why anybody bothers giving press to OO anymore.

  12. amid the bitching... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

    ... of the arguments over which FOSS office suite had got most users, people should recognise that there have been at least 65 million users of them not using Microsoft Office.

    This is a good thing.

    mind you, Microsoft says there are 750 million Office users worldwide, so we have a little way to go yet.

  13. Re:It is a shame that OpenOffice gets the nice nam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would say the fact that e.g. IBM is making use of the code (and possibly/probably willing to contribute) and they probably don't like LibreOffice's license might be one of the main reasons for OO to still exist.

  14. Re:It is a shame that OpenOffice gets the nice nam by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What do you think LibreOffice should do to make its brand more recognizable?

    I've been using LibreOffice for a number of years, and love it (having written two, and typeset three, books with it), but the name is a hindrence. When I speak to my wife and use the term LibreOffice her eyes glaze over, whereas Open Office has a natural name people understand.

    Free Office would have been better than LibreOffice, or any of a dozen other names I can think of (Community Office, OpenSource Office, New Office, World Office, even abbbreviating it to L-Office ...anything like that would lead to far better name recognition).

    That said, LibreOffice is great, and I wouldn't necessarily spend too much energy trying to get agreement to change the name at this late date (well, maybe the abbreviated "L-Office"). You've all done fine work...now the word needs to get out.

    I also find the stats suspicious...Gentoo folks like me are probably counted in the stat as downloads occur on an emerge, but how many copies of Fedora, Scientific, CentOS, RHEL, etc. have shipped with LibreOffice and aren't counted?

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  15. Re:It is a shame that OpenOffice gets the nice nam by Qubit · · Score: 2

    I've been using LibreOffice for a number of years, and love it (having written two, and typeset three, books with it), but the name is a hindrence. When I speak to my wife and use the term LibreOffice her eyes glaze over, whereas Open Office has a natural name people understand.

    Free Office would have been better than LibreOffice, or any of a dozen other names I can think of (Community Office, OpenSource Office, New Office, World Office, even abbbreviating it to L-Office ...anything like that would lead to far better name recognition).

    I personally think the name LibreOffice is pretty good. Yes, the abbreviations aren't great ("LO"? "LibO"? "LibOff"? ...), but the name itself captures a bit more about the project and its purpose than some other names out there. When I tell people about the Free Software Foundation, I have to explain to them what "Free Software" means and how it's different from Open Source. Have you ever tried to google for "Free Software"? Now try "Libre Software" -- much better :-)

    So basically you get the concept of "Free Software" + Office suite, wrapped up in a name that is much less ambiguous, at least in English. Unfortunately (fortunately?) it sets up all users/contributors to be in the position of explaining this to everyone they talk to. Tradeoffs, tradeoffs...

    I wasn't involved in selecting the name, but I wonder if there was a strong preference for keeping the word "Office" in the title. I understand that the name might help people understand that the project is an Office suite in a similar fashion to Microsoft Office, Corel Office, etc..., but perhaps a distinct name like "Firefox" or "Inkscape" would make for a much more recognizable and powerful brand?

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