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9th Grade Science Experiment: Garden Cress Won't Germinate Near Routers

New submitter SessionExpired writes "Five 9th graders from Denmark have shown that garden cress won't germinate when placed near a router (Google Translation of Danish original). Article text is in Danish, but the pictures illustrate their results. The exact mechanism is still unknown (Danish original), but experts have shown interest in reproducing the experiment."

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  1. Re:No reproduction by ankhank · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Outgassing from the plastic and electronics, I'll bet.
    Nice new routers, I'll bet. Loaded with stuff that's volatile.

    Did they try a Faraday Cage to rule out the radio waves?

  2. Re:Need a control. by Megane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The router itself generates heat, and the point of the root post was that it was the radiated heat that cause the result, not some puny low-power microwaves. I've had quite a few DSL modems "fail to germinate" because they overheated themselves. Right now at home I'm running one with the cover removed and a small heat sink (the only one I have small enough to fit between the capacitors, etc.) on the main chip.

    If they can get warm enough to burn themselves up, they can also get warm enough to prevent a seed from growing, if through no other means than making the seed think that it's the wrong time of the year.

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  3. well done kids! by thephydes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is exactly what we should be encouraging kids to do. Regardless of lack of control or other "missing" experimental methods, this is a significant scientific result for a bunch of 9th graders. Good on them and good on their teacher for encouraging them to do the experiment and having the balls to publish it.

    1. Re:well done kids! by thephydes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are obviously not a teacher although you may well be a scientist. Teachers either tell the kids what to do or encourage them to explore and THEN discuss results/flaws/improvements. After 33 years as an educator I can assure you that the latter is the most effective method and is a better preparation for pre-tertiary science. In addition I'll bet that the first "scientists" did not think about controls, they just collected evidence. This experiment is just that, a collection of evidence.

  4. Re:No reproduction by mikael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are so many combinations:

    Does the router need to be switched on?
    What if there is just a transformer and cable, but not a router?
    Does the router need wi-fi enabled? In the 2.5GHz band? In the 5Ghz band?
    Does the router need to be in line-of-sight, or can it be hermetically sealed in a container?

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  5. Re:Need a control. by lpevey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This comment is not really insightful. A lot of people even use electric heating pads underneath seed trays specifically to generate heat. I agree the experiment would have been even more impressive with controls wrt certain variables (including heat--why not), but it is extremely, extremely unlikely that, as the poster put it, "they can also get warm enough to prevent a seed grom growing."

  6. Re:No reproduction by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's amazing to see how much venom people spew in order to avoid cognitive dissonance. "No, it can't be harmful because I like the stuff. Everyone that found it harmful must be a liar!".... *sigh*

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  7. Re:No reproduction by zazzel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason you bring up fraud is that it's what you would do if you wanted to force a result. People who don't consider that kind of cheat wouldn't jump to that conclusion.

    Excuse me, but that is clearly bullsh*t. Having gone through University will make you suspect fraud, but just because you have seen it everywhere left and right during your studies. From students cheating in math exams and "forgetting" references in their papers, to 100% faked studies published by high-ranking journals.