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Goodbye, Lotus 1-2-3

walterbyrd writes "In 2012, IBM started retiring the Lotus brand. Now 1-2-3, the core product that brought Lotus its fame, takes its turn on the chopping block. IBM stated, 'Effective on the dates listed below, [June 11, 2013] IBM will withdraw from marketing part numbers from the following product release(s) licensed under the IBM International Program License Agreement:' IBM Lotus 123 Millennium Edition V9.x, IBM Lotus SmartSuite 9.x V9.8.0, and Organizer V6.1.0. Further, IBM stated, 'Customers will no longer be able to receive support for these offerings after September 30, 2014. No service extensions will be offered. There will be no replacement programs.'"

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  1. Re:How about cutting Notes? by Joehonkie · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd take Outlook in a second over Notes.

    I'd take PINE over either. And I don't even like PINE.

  2. The original /. by XB-70 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    God, it brings back memories: an 8086 with 256k of RAM, 8 1/2" floppies....

    Using / as the main way of navigating spreadsheets...

    1-2-3 you gave me my start, not just in spreadsheets, but in computers. Thank you and goodbye, old friend.

    Sniff.

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    1. Re:The original /. by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Funny

      God, it brings back memories: ...8 1/2" floppies

      Things are always remembered bigger then what they really were.

  3. Re:Will they be open-sourcing it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It shouldn't be an option. If they refuse to sell or license it, it should be automatically put into the public domain.

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  4. OO support by anybody_out_there · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now if (Open|Libre)Office would just do a decent job of not mangling Lotus 1-2-3 worksheets! I have some stuff I've been maintaining for over 20 years in Lotus 1-2-3 (starting back in the DOS days, but eventually moving to '97). I'd love to convert/upgrade it, but there are some things in there that just don't seem to be supported in Excel or *Office.

  5. Re:DOS ain't done til Lotus don't run! by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've heard a similar slogan with "Windows" instead of "DOS", as well as variations with "WordPerfect" instead of "Lotus". The fact that the quote has so many variations, and that no one can seem to pin down who said it and when, makes me suspicious that the whole thing is an urban legend.

    Did Microsoft engage in anti-competitive behavior? Absolutely. Did this typically involve trying to deliberately break user-space software? No. In fact, as Raymond Chen has repeatedly noted in his blog, a lot of effort went into making compatibility hacks so badly written software would still work on Windows.

    The fact is that neither Lotus nor WordPerfect ever successfully managed the transition from DOS text-mode to Windows GUI. This is due to a lot of factors, including bad management; W. Pete Peterson's book Almost Perfect is unintentionally revealing of this, since it indicates how the WordPerfect company under Peterson treated its employees like crap. They thought that GUIs were a passing fad and that they could stick with text-mode forever. Sure, the fact that the Office development team could ask other people in the same company for support may have helped on the margins, but other companies were writing good Windows software at the same time. Lotus and WordPerfect just plain didn't bother trying.

  6. Re:How about cutting Notes? by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd take PINE over either. And I don't even like PINE.

    You mean Emacs, VI doesn't even- oh wait, wrong discussion.

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  7. One of the first true memory-mapped display apps. by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that made skillful use use of reverse characters and color (oh how we loved those beautiful 80x24 8 color character displays... sigh) to create a working environment that was comfortable to be immersed in. A proposition with. Compared to everything else the data SNAPPED onto the screen. For many of us Lotus was the first application to deliver the experience of scrolling through data vertically and horizontally so smoothly you got an actual sense of movement, without that whole-screen redraw-flicker that we had come to tolerate from software.

    Of course this wasn't the only fine memory-mapped experience. I give fond greets to Vector Graphic S-100 Systems and their wonderful word processor MEMORITE, whose line jumping word wrap as you type was so smooth and flicker-free professional typists took to it easily.

    I used to maintain an S-100 system at a local attorney's office and they had awful problems with dust from their brick wall being sucked into the machines. I'd get a call from the secretary saying "Get over here quick! It's changing the spelling on the screen right in front of me again!" I'd ask, "Give me an example?" And she'd say something like "all the 'p' are changing to 't'."

    So I'd show up and take down the system and remove the S-100 memory card full of 4k RAM chips in sockets, say to myself "okay, bit 2" and count over from the edge of the card and pry up, re-seat the appropriate chip. Then replace and test, all good now. Then I'd ask, "Would you like me to perform general maintenance and re-seat them all?" and She'd say "No -- we're in a hurry!"

    Job security. Not a bad service contract gig for a 17-year-old.

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  8. Re:How about cutting Notes? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd take Outlook in a second over Notes.

    No kidding. 1-2-3 dies and the abomination that's called "Notes" is allowed to live on. Tedious to use, painful to look at, the most powerful features usually not configured in a way to be useful. Die, Notes, die. Which of course is German for "The Notes, the.

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  9. Now that Microsoft has decided to adopt the UI... by DougReed · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gee and just after Microsoft decided to adopt the silly flat tile User Interface paradigm too. You would think its popularity would surge.

    Unintuitive interface... check.
    Nothing works quite right... check.
    Square confusing tiles in a grid... check.

    It should be the Windows 8 standard!

  10. Re:How about cutting Notes? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    PINE Is Not EMACS.

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