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Goodbye, Lotus 1-2-3

walterbyrd writes "In 2012, IBM started retiring the Lotus brand. Now 1-2-3, the core product that brought Lotus its fame, takes its turn on the chopping block. IBM stated, 'Effective on the dates listed below, [June 11, 2013] IBM will withdraw from marketing part numbers from the following product release(s) licensed under the IBM International Program License Agreement:' IBM Lotus 123 Millennium Edition V9.x, IBM Lotus SmartSuite 9.x V9.8.0, and Organizer V6.1.0. Further, IBM stated, 'Customers will no longer be able to receive support for these offerings after September 30, 2014. No service extensions will be offered. There will be no replacement programs.'"

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  1. How about cutting Notes? by Cereal+Box · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd take Outlook in a second over Notes.

    1. Re:How about cutting Notes? by Joehonkie · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd take Outlook in a second over Notes.

      I'd take PINE over either. And I don't even like PINE.

    2. Re:How about cutting Notes? by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When my company was bought, the parent company, who uses Notes, put us on Notes. Two years later, we're still fixing issues with the migration. Nobody likes this POS and that includes people in the parent company who've been using it for years.

    3. Re:How about cutting Notes? by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Lotus Notes may well be the worst piece of software ever to exist (even if you include blatant malware in the competition). It is technically considered a "groupware" platform, but in practice it's almost exclusively used as an email/calendaring client, and it absolutely sucks at that, lacking the most basic features every other email program takes for granted.

    4. Re:How about cutting Notes? by Newander · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporate inertia.

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    5. Re:How about cutting Notes? by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd take PINE over either. And I don't even like PINE.

      You mean Emacs, VI doesn't even- oh wait, wrong discussion.

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    6. Re:How about cutting Notes? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd take Outlook in a second over Notes.

      No kidding. 1-2-3 dies and the abomination that's called "Notes" is allowed to live on. Tedious to use, painful to look at, the most powerful features usually not configured in a way to be useful. Die, Notes, die. Which of course is German for "The Notes, the.

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    7. Re:How about cutting Notes? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lotus Notes may well be the worst piece of software ever to exist (even if you include blatant malware in the competition). It is technically considered a "groupware" platform, but in practice it's almost exclusively used as an email/calendaring client, and it absolutely sucks at that, lacking the most basic features every other email program takes for granted.

      From my experience with Notes, it is (apparently) impossible to configure and use the scheduling function in a way that improves group/department/team/business in any way. I'd get invited to dumb meetings, and just to be a smartass, I'd reply I couldn't make it and that the company truck would be attending in my place. Instead of being insulted or irritated with me, my colleagues and bosses would just assume that Notes had somehow screwed up my response and ask if another time would work better for me.

      A waste of perfectly good passive-aggression.

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    8. Re:How about cutting Notes? by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably because they've bought a site licence. Once they do that, all rational thought about switching to something better goes out the window.

    9. Re:How about cutting Notes? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      That actually sounds great: "I was here when the company-mandated calendar app told me to be." Someone else gets the blame, and you got to skip a meeting. I don't see a downside.

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    10. Re:How about cutting Notes? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      PINE Is Not EMACS.

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    11. Re:How about cutting Notes? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot, and in fact the Internet as a whole, has neither the time nor storage to do that subject justice.

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  2. Will they be open-sourcing it? by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If IBM no longer wants to support Lotus 1-2-3 (understandably so), then open-sourcing the code might be a nice goodwill gesture. This way, whatever archaic organizations still rely on this stuff can always go hire someone else to maintain it. IBM has traditionally been fairly supportive of open source, and this would be a good opportunity to contribute to it without losing anything of substantial financial value.

    1. Re:Will they be open-sourcing it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It shouldn't be an option. If they refuse to sell or license it, it should be automatically put into the public domain.

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    2. Re:Will they be open-sourcing it? by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd like to see an abandonware law, too. For software, anyone applying for a copyright should have to put the source code in escrow, and it would be automatically released a certain period of time (say, 1 year) after the company stops selling it.

    3. Re:Will they be open-sourcing it? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a good news/bad news situation.

      Good News: Currently IP law *is* abandonware. It sunsets the monopolies.

      Bad News: It sunsets about as fast as a Venusian day

      We obviously need to fix the latter, but fortunately the Founding Fathers new these things should be 'limited'.

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    4. Re:Will they be open-sourcing it? by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interesting idea, but it could easily be sidestepped. For intance would be easy for a company to pepper their software with simple library files that do very little in terms of logic. As long as these dummy files are used in newer products they could claim "there are pieces of code in that discontinued product still in use, we cannot release the source to the public" That said, IBM has been decent about open sourcing stuff in the past and it's wouldn't suprise me to see 1-2-3 become GPL.

  3. How about open-sourcing it? by cpghost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not that we really need yet another spreadsheet program, but if IBM doesn't intend to use this code base anymore, how about releasing its source code to the public?

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    1. Re:How about open-sourcing it? by CrankyFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Opensourcing a project can be a pain in the ass (I work at a company that tries to opensource most of its infrastructure systems), what with internal assumptions, potential information leaks, and auditing for potentially licensed code that you're not allowed to release in its uncompiled form.

      I don't see a ton of people out there clamouring for 1-2-3 to be opensourced, to be honest, other than people who are just reflexively arguing for opensourcing anything that's discontinued. I'm not saying that's a bad argument, but it's certainly a weak one, and I don't see IBM getting a particularly great ROI for doing the work to opensource 1-2-3.

  4. ...till Lotus won't run... by Mystakaphoros · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "It ain't done till Lotus won't run."

    I guess it's done.

  5. The original /. by XB-70 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    God, it brings back memories: an 8086 with 256k of RAM, 8 1/2" floppies....

    Using / as the main way of navigating spreadsheets...

    1-2-3 you gave me my start, not just in spreadsheets, but in computers. Thank you and goodbye, old friend.

    Sniff.

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    1. Re:The original /. by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Funny

      God, it brings back memories: ...8 1/2" floppies

      Things are always remembered bigger then what they really were.

  6. Lotus -- OpenOffice by enterix · · Score: 4, Informative

    Latest versions of Lotus brand suite were based on OpenOffice. Symphony was just the Lotus style shell over it. There was no native version for years. Anyway, it is interesting how IBM can walk away from products with arms... Hard drives, ThinkPads, now Lotus...

  7. OO support by anybody_out_there · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now if (Open|Libre)Office would just do a decent job of not mangling Lotus 1-2-3 worksheets! I have some stuff I've been maintaining for over 20 years in Lotus 1-2-3 (starting back in the DOS days, but eventually moving to '97). I'd love to convert/upgrade it, but there are some things in there that just don't seem to be supported in Excel or *Office.

  8. The end of history by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the same way VisiCalc made the Apple ][, Lotus 123 made the IBM PC. Later, when people said "IBM compatible", what they really meant was "123 compatible", because it wrote directly to the video memory, rather than doing screen output through BIOS calls; so "compatible" hardware had to address its video memory the same way IBM did.

  9. The PC "killer application" by Alejux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some people don't realize the importance of this software. Lotus 1-2-3 is what made the majority of people want to buy an IBM PC back in the day.

  10. Re:DOS ain't done til Lotus don't run! by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've heard a similar slogan with "Windows" instead of "DOS", as well as variations with "WordPerfect" instead of "Lotus". The fact that the quote has so many variations, and that no one can seem to pin down who said it and when, makes me suspicious that the whole thing is an urban legend.

    Did Microsoft engage in anti-competitive behavior? Absolutely. Did this typically involve trying to deliberately break user-space software? No. In fact, as Raymond Chen has repeatedly noted in his blog, a lot of effort went into making compatibility hacks so badly written software would still work on Windows.

    The fact is that neither Lotus nor WordPerfect ever successfully managed the transition from DOS text-mode to Windows GUI. This is due to a lot of factors, including bad management; W. Pete Peterson's book Almost Perfect is unintentionally revealing of this, since it indicates how the WordPerfect company under Peterson treated its employees like crap. They thought that GUIs were a passing fad and that they could stick with text-mode forever. Sure, the fact that the Office development team could ask other people in the same company for support may have helped on the margins, but other companies were writing good Windows software at the same time. Lotus and WordPerfect just plain didn't bother trying.

  11. One of the first true memory-mapped display apps. by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that made skillful use use of reverse characters and color (oh how we loved those beautiful 80x24 8 color character displays... sigh) to create a working environment that was comfortable to be immersed in. A proposition with. Compared to everything else the data SNAPPED onto the screen. For many of us Lotus was the first application to deliver the experience of scrolling through data vertically and horizontally so smoothly you got an actual sense of movement, without that whole-screen redraw-flicker that we had come to tolerate from software.

    Of course this wasn't the only fine memory-mapped experience. I give fond greets to Vector Graphic S-100 Systems and their wonderful word processor MEMORITE, whose line jumping word wrap as you type was so smooth and flicker-free professional typists took to it easily.

    I used to maintain an S-100 system at a local attorney's office and they had awful problems with dust from their brick wall being sucked into the machines. I'd get a call from the secretary saying "Get over here quick! It's changing the spelling on the screen right in front of me again!" I'd ask, "Give me an example?" And she'd say something like "all the 'p' are changing to 't'."

    So I'd show up and take down the system and remove the S-100 memory card full of 4k RAM chips in sockets, say to myself "okay, bit 2" and count over from the edge of the card and pry up, re-seat the appropriate chip. Then replace and test, all good now. Then I'd ask, "Would you like me to perform general maintenance and re-seat them all?" and She'd say "No -- we're in a hurry!"

    Job security. Not a bad service contract gig for a 17-year-old.

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  12. Now that Microsoft has decided to adopt the UI... by DougReed · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gee and just after Microsoft decided to adopt the silly flat tile User Interface paradigm too. You would think its popularity would surge.

    Unintuitive interface... check.
    Nothing works quite right... check.
    Square confusing tiles in a grid... check.

    It should be the Windows 8 standard!