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Will Robots Take Over the Data Center?

1sockchuck writes "Robotics are beginning to be integrated into data center management, creating the potential for a fully automated, robot-driven data center. What might a robot-controlled 'lights-out' data center look like? The racks will be taller, as robotics systems can reach higher to manage servers. Robotic equipment would be mounted on rails that allow them to find and move hardware. Early examples of this are seen in tape libraries, but the concepts could be applied to other data center equipment. Amazon and Google are said to be among those looking at ways to create a fully automated data center. AOL says it has already built an unmanned data center. Data Center Knowledge looks at the challenges and opportunities in robot-controlled data centers, including how staff roles would evolve."

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  1. remote hands on by alphatel · · Score: 2

    As long as we can still manage servers while sitting at our desks, I say go for it.

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    1. Re:remote hands on by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would say you'd be able to manage them even better. It would be great to be able to swap out a dead drive without have to wait for a person to be available to do the same job. You could probably even set it up to have the robot do it automatically. With some more complex robotics, you could probably have the robot replace broken network cables, plug in peripherals, and do many other tasks. If designed right, you could probably swap out an entire server with a robot. With blade-like servers this would be as simple as swapping a hard disk. You could also do a lot of things that are problematic with humans such as stacking servers 20 ft. high. I've heard that they could even run data centers a lot hotter, but part of the reason they don't is because it makes it uncomfortable for the people working there.

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    2. Re:remote hands on by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Data center temperatures are not for humans. They are selected for a lot of reasons and that is not generally one of them. A big one is what the vendor is willing to support. Another major concern is how long you can last with a major cooling failure. I don't mean a single chiller fails, I mean someone screws up and hoses a bunch of them at once.

    3. Re:remote hands on by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      ...so, umm, what if the robot breaks?

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    4. Re:remote hands on by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The space between the racks is really more to accommodate removing and adding servers, rather than allow for people to pass through. The servers are currently deeper than (most) people are wide. I do like the idea of a nitrogen atmosphere. I wonder what kind of atmosphere conditions you could use to accommodate better cooling? Would a vacuum work better, or would high pressure work better for removing heat from the systems? Are nitrogen, CO2, Oxygen, or other gases better at transferring heat?

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    5. Re: remote hands on by telchine · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

    6. Re:remote hands on by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      We had someone accidentally turn off the AC in our datacenter for a day. (Please! Don't ask how this could ever be allowed to happen!!) Six months later, we had one hard drive after another needing replacement. I wouldn't have thought anything of it, except that the veteran admin I was working with predicted at the time of the cooling outage that it would happen, and then reminded us all of it when the drives started dying.

      The cooling system is there because temp rated components are EXPENSIVE!!

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    7. Re:remote hands on by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      CO2 would be heavier (thermal mass), suppress fire and corrosion, and best of all would be cheap.

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    8. Re:remote hands on by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Get some temperature probes and have nagios monitor them. They are pretty cheap and would have alerted you before damage was done.

    9. Re:remote hands on by evilviper · · Score: 2

      I do like the idea of a nitrogen atmosphere.

      We're 3/4ths of the way there!!!

      I wonder what kind of atmosphere conditions you could use to accommodate better cooling? Would a vacuum work better, or would high pressure work better for removing heat from the systems? Are nitrogen, CO2, Oxygen, or other gases better at transferring heat?

      A vacuum would mean absolute NO cooling. The denser the gas, the more heat it could haul away, so something like argon would probably be best.

      However, you could do much better by submerging the whole thing in Fluorinert or other (cheaper) non-conductive and non-corrosive fluid. The downside to that, being both that traditional hard drives will cease to function, and the weight of a building full of fluid will be astronomical, and would also require extremely tighter tolerances and far more horizontal support.

      The only way I could see that working, would be a huge subterranean datacenter... Basically a huge hole in the ground, or perhaps the world's deepest in-ground pool.

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    10. Re:remote hands on by kasperd · · Score: 2

      It would be great to be able to swap out a dead drive without have to wait for a person to be available to do the same job.

      I wouldn't trust a robot to do that job. On one occasion I have had to send a person to repair a drive, that was broken by a robot. A tape robot had literally ripped the front off a tape drive. Not only did that leave us with a broken drive, the piece was now stuck in the robots hand, and it wasn't able to get it out of its hand. So the robot gave up and drove up to the service area, waiting for a human to come and repair it.

      This is not even the most spectacular robot problem I have experienced. Four years of dealing with real robots in data centers have made me realize, what a long way to go we have before robots can take over jobs we let humans do today.

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    11. Re:remote hands on by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      CO2 would be heavier (thermal mass), suppress fire and corrosion, and best of all would be cheap.

      Heavier gases usually transfer heat poorly. Light gases have a higher heat capacity per Kg, have much higher heat conductivity (because of faster molecular velocities), and transfer heat better. This is why helium is used in gas cooled nuclear reactors, while heavy gases such as krypton, xenon or sulfur hexafluoride are used in insulated windows.

  2. more malarky from the big players. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Funny

    typing this from the datacenter I work in, i can assure you robots will never replace 8rSta$O7qNO CARRIER

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  3. AOL? How appropriate. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

    A data center with no operators for a service with no users.

  4. What are the potential savings? by Geste · · Score: 2

    This sounds nice in theory, but what is the actual rate of change/churn in large data centers once racks are populated and what are the potential labor savings over the long haul? What is the development cost of the robotic system and how long to amortize?

  5. job security: by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    our datacenter has lots of stairs.

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  6. Re:To: systems/network administrators by egamma · · Score: 4, Funny

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  7. Re:Let's hope the company makes things robots buy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    But the transition from an economy entirely built around the labor market could be a big problem. If done well, it gives us a utopia where no-one need want for anything they desire. If done poorly, it ends in a world where a fraction of a percent of the world population control almost all the resources and the rest live in abject poverty.

  8. Re:Let's hope the company makes things robots buy by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Did you cry to Henry Ford about how all the buggy whip manufacturers would go out of business?

    Considering how adamant Ford was about hiring shit-tons of people and paying them excellent wages as a method of ensuring his company enduring profits, I don't think he's the example you would want to use in this debate.

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  9. I don't get it by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been in plenty of datacenters, and I don't see where you're getting any benefit with radical redesigns. They aren't exactly designed for human comfort in the first place...

    Lighting? Sure, but motion sensors mean it's only on when someone is in that area. And you'll still need lights, because humans will surely still be going in there to fix the malfunctioning robots, and hiring old coal miners seems excessive.

    Temperature? No, the servers dictate the temperature the datacenter is kept at, while human comfort is completely secondary. The 15C degree air coming out of the floor vents below my KVM doesn't make for a comfortable experience, but nobody cares. Humans in the datacenter are the foreigners, who must adapt themselves, not the other way around. If Google could run their datacenters at 75C degrees, they WOULD do that now, and the humans would be sent in with ice packs strapped to their bodies.

    Height? If a couple more feet of rack height were useful and cheap, I would be happy enough to keep a bit of scaffolding in my datacenter cages. As for the ridiculous heights predicted, it's not going to happen. Racks can't scale-up that easily (they'd need huge thick vertical supports to handle the weight)... and at some point, it's pretty easy to just install another "floor" for those pesky humans to walk on, install air ducts in, and also avoid the need for super-robust racks... and I can't even imagine that crazy air currents that would be happening with 100' of vertical servers pumping out crazy amounts of heat, not to mention problems like CLOUDS forming and potentially raining, INSIDE the building.

    In general, the comparison needs to be made to warehouses... If Amazon/Walmart/etc. had fully-automated warehouses, I'd say automated datacenters would be just around the corner. But they don't... Humans are still very much in the loop, driving around on electrified forklifts or pallet jacks, and doing what the computer tells them to, and when. And if any business could benefit from vertical expansion, quicker response times, and less humans, it's warehousing, but it just doesn't work there, yet. That will be a lot closer to the model for future datacenters, not this pie-in-the-sky nonsense.

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  10. Just need 1 man, and a dog. by chiark · · Score: 3, Funny
    As the old joke goes...

    The datacentre of the future will be run by just one man, and a dog.

    The man is there to feed the dog.

    The dog is there to bite the man if he touches anything.