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Why the 'Star Trek Computer' Will Be Open Source and Apache Licensed

psykocrime writes "The crazy kids at Fogbeam Labs have a new blog post positing that there is a trend towards advanced projects in NLP, Information Retrieval, Big Data and the Semantic Web moving to the Apache Software Foundation. Considering that Apache UIMA is a key component of IBM Watson, is it wrong to believe that the organization behind Hadoop, OpenNLP, Jena, Stanbol, Mahout and Lucene will ultimately be the home of a real 'Star Trek Computer'? Quoting: 'When we talk about how the Star Trek computer had “access to all the data in the known Universe”, what we really mean is that it had access to something like the Semantic Web and the Linked Data cloud. Jena provides a programmatic environment for RDF, RDFS and OWL, SPARQL and includes a rule-based inference engine. ... In addition to supporting the natural language interface with the system, OpenNLP is a powerful library for extracting meaning (semantics) from unstructured data - specifically textual data in an unstructured (or semi structured) format. An example of unstructured data would be the blog post, an article in the New York Times, or a Wikipedia article. OpenNLP combined with Jena and other technologies, allows “The computer” to “read” the Web, extracting meaningful data and saving valid assertions for later use.'" Speaking of the Star Trek computer, I'm continually disappointed that neither Siri nor Google Now can talk to me in Majel Barrett's voice.

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  1. Tool to condense forum posts into a wiki? by WillAdams · · Score: 2

    I've spent more time than I care to remember moving content from:

    http://www.shapeoko.com/forum

    to

    http://www.shapeoko.com/wiki

    Why can't it be automated?

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    1. Re:Tool to condense forum posts into a wiki? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      A truly competent programmer could do this with butterflies.

    2. Re:Tool to condense forum posts into a wiki? by sensei+moreh · · Score: 2

      My first computer ran CP/M. Fell free to play on my lawn

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    3. Re:Tool to condense forum posts into a wiki? by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      Do it yourself. It can be automated with a few scripts, would probably take me the lesser part of an hour. If you actually learned how to use computers, i.e., program, instead of just using pre-made functionality, then your life would be a lot easier. Blame your elementary school. Mine taught me BASIC on an Apple IIe when I was 8.

      Hell, once I moved a whole forum once using JavaScript and a bit of Perl. Hit a page, then hit the "Quote" buttons on all posts to get at the BBCode, snag the textarea's text and strip off the quote tags, POST to a Perl script including the poster's username to insert the data in the SQL database. Trigger an "Administrative Edit" on the post and save via PHP to get the smilies re-encoded... Tens of Thousands of times over the course of a week. The client didn't think about exporting before using a hosted phpBB forum, and the host wouldn't give up a database dump, so I made one. Probably could stream line that one-off process a bit more, but it was a one-off. Just some piddling crap strung together that anyone who knows how to use a computer should be able to do.

      If you never learn to code, you will never be able to fully use computers.

  2. No, that is not what we mean. by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'When we talk about how the Star Trek computer had âoeaccess to all the data in the known Universeâ, what we really mean is that it had access to something like the Semantic Web and the Linked Data cloud.

    The Enterprise computer was not hampered by being in another galaxy, nor was Voyager's computer hampered by being in the Delta Quadrant. They had local copies of all the data at all times.

    1. Re:No, that is not what we mean. by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      Except in this case, the Enterprise computer cached the entire available knowledge of the Federation whenever it got the chance. It was like a souped-up archive.org with regard to data.

    2. Re:No, that is not what we mean. by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      Also, there wasn't really any foresight. TNG was started before the Internet was in the mainstream consciousness (especially Hollywood consciousness), and Encarta CDs were the "current" computer version of an encyclopedia, so scaling that up in Sci-Fi would turn into "a computer database that has everything pre-loaded".

    3. Re:No, that is not what we mean. by westlake · · Score: 2

      The Enterprise computer was not hampered by being in another galaxy... They had local copies of all the data at all times

      The Enterprise computer knew what it needed to know to serve the plot. No information lost, corrupted or concealed. No conflicts in interpretation. The perfect machine for a culture turned self-righteous and complacent, without doubts or uncertainties.

    4. Re:No, that is not what we mean. by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those interested: The Borg vs. Microsoft Windows

    5. Re:No, that is not what we mean. by WillAdams · · Score: 2

      There was actually explict mention of this in one of the books --- whenever 2 Federation ships meet their computers synch w/ each other --- can't recall it being a plot point though.

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  3. Re:*cough* by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    LCARS any version will never be open sourced because Paramount/CBS will never release their rights to the design.

    Now the original 23rd century design, which was all voice interface and blinky lights, would be neat, but pretty damn hard to implement until we can get a computer to "recognize speech" instead of "wreck a nice beach".

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  4. Re:In The Words Of William Shatner by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe that should be "Get. A fucking. Life, eh?"

  5. Re:*cough* by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That was only a problem because you were trying to talk to a Klingon interface. Klingon computers interpret everything as targeting orders.

  6. Re:*cough* by cogeek · · Score: 2

    Paramount doesn't hold the rights. Gene Roddenberry made the LCARS interface open source long ago, for anyone to use in free projects.

  7. Re:*cough* by wbr1 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Sorry to burst your bubble. From Wikipedia:

    CBS Studios Inc. claims to hold the copyright on LCARS. Google was sent a DMCA letter to remove the Android app called tricorder [8] since its use of the LCARS interface was un-licenced. The application was later re-uploaded under a different title, but it was removed again.

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  8. And in an ironic twist... by Tarlus · · Score: 2

    And in a ironic twist, the algorithms used to manifest a cup of Earl Grey tea will be closed and patented.

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    1. Re: And in an ironic twist... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      The replicators on startrek often couldn't replicate highly "advanced chemicals", such as trilithium and other random made up plot devices. At one point they where described as only holding certain patterns, and could go and find new ones on demand. In federation space they usually had to be regulated and inspected to try and stop whoever from making nasty things. I don't really recall it being used on a wide-scale, federation starships notwithstanding. I'm assuming the computing power and energy requirements of Enterprise-D's replicators wasn't found outside said starships. A consumer grade could probably not make correct quantum states to make startrek-style energy sources. Good enough to just do molecular-level replication, pushing atoms into a matrix at the speed of light so it just "appears". I can see us making this too, with meta material nano lenses, lasers passing through a medium grabbing the needed atoms out. It would probably have to be re-calibrated often, and the better the computer running it the better the device would be.

  9. Takedown notice != legitimate copyright claim by Phil+Urich · · Score: 4, Informative

    The original post about the takedown request can be found at http://web.archive.org/web/20111130013603/http://code.google.com/p/moonblink/wiki/Tricorder. It says in part,

    It's apparently the graphical design that's at issue, not the name. According to Wikipedia, "Gene Roddenberry's contract included a clause allowing any company able to create functioning technology to use the name". Now that GR is dead, I guess CBS believes they own swoopy curves.

    Since I don't have legal weasels of my own, or the time to deal with this, that's it for Tricorder.

    It's far from clear that CBS has any copyright on LCARS, it's more that any entity like CBS with enough money to throw at the legal system can get away with claiming such, and random people just have to go along with it thanks to the way our legal system works.

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    1. Re:Takedown notice != legitimate copyright claim by wickedskaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This makes me wonder if Kickstarting legal funds could be viable for David to have a war chest against Goliath in these kinds of IP controversies.

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  10. devouring an internet full of unstructured data by Alsee · · Score: 2

    the natural language interface with the system, OpenNLP is a powerful library for extracting meaning (semantics) from unstructured data... An example of unstructured data would be the blog post, an article in the New York Times, or a Wikipedia article.

    Warning: Other examples of "unstructured data" include 4chan and Conservapedia.

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  11. Re:*cough* by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    LCARS was the coolest looking shitty UI anyways. Honestly. It only looked awesome because there was limitations on how detailed you could get a picture broadcasted in 480i. That and pastel colors on black made them stand out. When you get right down to it, TV is artful entertainment first and foremost. I seriously doubt LCARS was based on any recommendations by those in UI design. But then again, this was before the .COM rise in 1997.

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  12. Would you settle for the voice of Rommie? by DutchUncle · · Score: 2

    Or perhaps you remember the Dumarest stories, each of which had a Cyber with "the trained voice which contained no irritant factors" . . .

    Seriously, there must be enough audio of Majel Barrett to synthesize a decent copy. Sounds like an open source Kickstarter to me.

  13. Re:And this means???? by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From somebody who spent a few hours working a show with Gene Roddenberry before his ashes got the cosmic brush off... Having run film clips and sound for his famed "lecture" on Star Trek's past and how that changed our future, I thought he was nuts (1987).

    Science Fiction has foreseen future events, but it is NOT an accurate representation of what is going to happen. So how on earth (or in space for that matter) can we tell what software will be used in the future for some yet to be designed hardware? Add to this that we are not even sure when or even if such a theoretical machine will ever exist and how can we figure any kind of useful debate will come from this?

    Oh yea, this is star trek.. Home to the group that thinks some group of two bit "B" list actors are somehow for tellers of the future

    Your argument from authority is unappealing. The components of a computing system similar to a fictitious one have been identified. The likelihood of their software licensing approach is being projected based upon current component licensing and development plans. We do not think the "B" list actors knew what the "techno-babble" they were spouting meant.

    However, when we create devices that are similar to the fictitious devices, we can and will make comparisons. The Hypo-spay exists. Tablet Computers exist. Food replication systems are in development. 3D TV exists. We launched a rocket similar to Jules Verne's to the moon. Eventually the rockets we send to Mars and/or the Moon will land vertically Delta-V style, like Verne's rocket did (so they can take off again). Cars can apply brakes when proximity alarms go off -- Cars can even drive themselves now, like in Sleeper; They can parallel park too! Applications for Mars Colonization are being accepted...

    Stop for a moment and think about current technologies. Now extrapolate a bit. Extrapolate a bit further. Write a story about it. Marvel as some of your ideas weren't actually bat-shit insane after all. Some are more accurate than others. I think you need to re-evaluate your life. The future they did not "predict", happened the way they said it would despite your claim to the contrary...

  14. TFA comes from too much Star Trek movie hype by cstacy · · Score: 2

    WARNING: Fatal exposure in 69 minutes!

  15. Re:Majel Forever! by VanessaE · · Score: 2

    I'm not usually one to "+1" something, let alone an AC, but this guy is right, really. If a computer in the context of this article doesn't speak with Majel Barrett's voice, it just won't sound right. That said, we don't need any kind of chip to do it - there is software out there that runs on commodity hardware that can sound like pretty much anyone, given adequate samples of that person's voice as a pattern to model against.

    The real question is, what would Majel's estate, family, etc. have to say about it, if anything? Assuming there is still some such entity in existence, would they have the legal right to prevent the use of her voice? What about Paramount and/or CBS? Could they legally stop it?

  16. The Last Question by tmjva · · Score: 2

    So the Star Trek computer will had access to "All the data in the known Universe" ?

    Will someone ever ask: "How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?"

    Or will the question first be posed in 2061?

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