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Tesla Motors Repays $465M Government Loan 9 Years Early

Tesla Motors announced today it has completely repaid the $465 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy the company received in 2010. The funds were generated by Tesla through a recent sale of their stock, worth close to a billion dollars. The stock price had risen sharply after the company reported its first profitable quarter (and the stock still sits roughly 50% higher than before their earnings release). Today's payment of $451.8 million finished off both the loan's principal and its interest, nine years before the final payment was due. Tesla CEO Elon Musk said, 'I would like to thank the Department of Energy and the members of Congress and their staffs that worked hard to create the ATVM program, and particularly the American taxpayer from whom these funds originate. I hope we did you proud.'

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  1. Nice. by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this sends an excellent message to naysayers: Not all American startups with DOE loans end up like Solyndra.

    Bravo to Tesla, and let's hope the current trend continues. The US really could use some new blood in the automotive industry.

    1. Re:Nice. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think this sends an excellent message to naysayers: Not all American startups with DOE loans end up like Solyndra.

      In fact, of the 23 companies that received funding under the same program as Solyndra did, at least 19 of them are still in business - that's an 83% success rate. When you factor in the fact that these were all loans that the free-market was too risk averse to take on itself, that number is pretty fantastic. Most venture capital funds are lucky to have a 10% success rate.

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    2. Re:Nice. by sneakyimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe this is because the oil industry evolved from the same people who ran the cattle industry, where a man's word was his bond and multi-million dollar deals were made on a handshake. Integrity was everything, and if you lost that, you simply weren't in the business anymore.

      Oh GAWD please stop with the cheesy platitudes and the pining away for older, ostensibly better times. That is such a tired trope. Surely you recognize that this is a ludicrous and unprovable statement based on no evidence whatsoever?

      Government (and "free governemtn money") corrupts pretty much everything absolutely...

      And surely you recognize that this is a contradiction of your previous statement? The oil industry enjoys enormous tax breaks and subsidies. Are those billions in subidies not government money? Is the oil industry somehow immune to corruption because of its mythical birth among cattle barons?

    3. Re:Nice. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      DOE funds had a better rate of return than Mitt Romney's investment fund as per widely reported figures during the election.

      Wrong. The DOE funds had a lower bankruptcy rate (8% vs 22%). That is NOT the same as a better rate of return. The government gives a loan, and loses it if the company goes bankrupt, and basically gets its money back if the company is successful. A private equity firm likewise loses its investment if the company goes bankrupt. But if the company is successful, a private equity firm can make many times its initial investment. Because of this asymmetry, PEs taking an equity stake, should and do make high risk investments than a lender would not. So the higher bankruptcy rate is expected. But the overall rate of return is still higher.

  2. Re:It's about time! by LocalH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet the thanks they get is the state of North Carolina (and probably others too, but NC is the one I've heard about recently) shitting all over them because they want to sell their vehicles directly to people instead of having to go through "third-party dealers".

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  3. Re: Congratulations! by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except for the cars that I have stolen, I factor in purchase price with operating costs when I determine whether I can afford to drive that vehicle.

  4. Re:No, no by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Electric cars will lead to nipples and other unamerican things.

    ... Like paying back your government loans instead of yelling "Too big to fail! ahahahaaha..." and running to some tropical island to take daily wealth showers and drink out of gold-lined cups. :/ They should be commended... it's a decidedly unamerican approach to business. Fiscal responsibility? It's like an F-word in Congress.

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  5. Re:Electric cars are just not going to take off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is exactly what the horse and buggy industry said when the first cars came on the road. "Ha! Petrol! Where do they think they will get it, once on the road?" and "People already have horses - who's going to want to buy an automobile when the buggy is so much cheaper??"

  6. Re:It's about time! by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In Australia, we call it Tall Poppy Syndrome where someone that is doing outstanding work is seen as a threat, a target and something to be cut back down to size. Though in this case, I would say that there is a hint of Schadenfreude thrown into the mix as well.

    Basically, it's just sad and pathetic.

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  7. Texas, North Carolina Fighting Tesla's Dist Model by Radtastic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Texas also has pushed back on the manufacturer-direct model

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/20/autos/telsa-car-dealers/index.html

    I especially take offense with this argument:

    "When manufacturers discontinue a brand -- such as Pontiac, Mercury, Oldsmobile or Saturn -- auto dealers still remain to help the customer,"

    In reality, if Tesla were to go out of business, individual mechanics would open shop assuming there was a business demand. If there wasn't any demand, then it wouldn't matter if the sale originally involved a dealer or not. (Unless said former-dealer was unclear on the concept of business.)

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  8. Re:It's about time! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dealers are a huge lobby and major contributors in all states. This is a clear case of entrenched influence against the public interest, in opposition to individual rights.

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  9. Re:It's about time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your post is incorrect. Speaking as a blatant republican and businessman, I don't want the U.S. to invest in loan guarantees for fly by night operations that have absolutely no chance of success. Elon Musk, who successfully founded Paypal, knows how to run a company, had a real business plan and had a legitimate chance to make a long term profit was worthy of a federal loan guarantee. Solyndra is what we are trying to prevent.

    BTW - good work rewriting history - lax lending standards / pushing acceptance of sub-prime loans that caused the housing crisis and recession were not caused by republicans. This shouldn't be a news flash...

  10. Re:It's about time! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did Tesla have to pay a penalty for early repayment?

    Early repayment penalties are illegal in most of the US.

    The benefit of this kind of loan program is not in the interest earned, but in the fact that you get a successful company that creates jobs and pays taxes, which used to be considered a good thing. Having an additional player in a heavy industry also creates competition in a fairly consolidated sector, which also used to be considered a good thing.

    These kind of government loans to business in the US go back to the 18th century, and were considered a very good idea until recently, when one of the two political parties lost its mind.

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  11. Re:It's about time! by WaywardGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speaking as a blatant democrat and businessman, I agree with your first paragraph. Tesla had a good chance. I cheered the decision to extend the government backed loan. They'd already produced the most successful electric car in my lifetime, losing not too much money in the process, while developing core competencies - the drive train and battery packs. The basic principle that government should invest where there is a track record of success falls on deaf ears in Washington. Companies like Fisker did not meet this threshold, and Solyndra was essentially an idea on paper, worth more research, but not a half billion dollars. I think a 1 in 3 success rate is about the best we could expect from government investments, regardless of the party in charge. No VCs I know of have a 1 in 3 success rate. Still... Fisker was a doomed investment. I was pissed when I heard of it. I'm just glad we never gave them the second half of the money.

    As for the second part, yes democrats pushed for bad loans, but unregulated banks got unregulated insurance on unregulated derivatives, while everyone knew that they were all too big to fail. That lack of regulation on businesses that the government will give a trillion dollars to before allowing to fail is the GOP's fault. There's blame to go around, and that's not rewriting history. Still, good post overall.

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  12. Re:It's about time! by riverat1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If local bookstores and video stores had the same amount of political clout as auto dealers then Amazon and NetFlix wouldn't be able to sell in those states either.

  13. Re:It's about time! by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If electric cars take over the market, the demand for car maintenance will collapse. Thats a big chunk of the job market in some areas and there will have to be some adjustment.

    We should all have such problems. Also if they find the cure for cancer, a lot of oncologists will be out of a job. It's still a big net win for society in either case.

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