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How the Smartphone Killed the Three-day Weekend

An anonymous reader writes "As we in the U.S. settle in for Memorial Day weekend, this article points out how our cultural addiction to technology is making it less of a vacation than it used to be. 'The average smartphone user checks his or her device 150 times per day, or about once every six minutes. Meanwhile, government data from 2011 says 35 percent of us work on weekends, and those who do average five hours of labor, often without compensation — or even a thank you. The other 65 percent were probably too busy to answer surveyors' questions.' Even for those of us who don't have any work to do over the weekend, we'll probably end up reading all of our work-related emails as they roll in, and take time out of our day to think about what's going on — to the detriment of our weekend activities: 'A study at the University of California, San Francisco, found that new experiences fail to become long-term memories unless brains have downtime for review.' I imagine it's even worse for your average Slashdotter, who's likely plugged in to more technology at home and at work. How can we make our employers understand that downtime needs to remain downtime? 'It took labor unions 100 years to fight for nights and weekends off, some say, while smartphones took them away in about three years.'"

232 comments

  1. You forgot to mention... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...posting to Slashdot.

    I think I'll go investigate this "outside" that I keep hearing about.

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    1. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! It's a lie! It's a trap! People go out and don't return. Once people go outside, they sucked in and spend all their time outside. It's more addictive than Minecraft.

    2. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't! It's a trap to lure /.ers outside! There are people everywhere! People! One of them even tried talking to me! Barely made it back into my basement alive.

    3. Re:You forgot to mention... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I've BEEN enjoying the outside.

      I dunno what the deal is with people and this crap.

      You do it to yourself.

      Yes, I have a cell phone, but when I'm off work and not scheduled to work again for awhile, I do NOT answer any calls that I do not recognize for one thing. And those I do recognize, if it is anything but personal related, it goes straight to voice mail. I will check that at my leisure.

      I don't do work on MY time. The only reason I do work in the first place, is to earn enough money to live the lifestyle I want, and I do that on my free time. It wouldn't make sense to work all days....or I'd not be able to enjoy my 'toys' and other things money enables me to get.

      If you answer the phone for work or are a slave to work...then it is YOUR fault.

      You *do* know that most modern phones have voicemail don't you? USE IT.

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    4. Re:You forgot to mention... by mlw4428 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bullshit. Flies don't land in my food, there are no wasps, and even when it's snowing it's still a comfortable temperature. Outside has all the bad.

    5. Re:You forgot to mention... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I went on holiday for three weeks in March. While on the train to the airport, I set the work email account "check frequency" to "never".

      My manager has my personal email address (I have hers). She has used it once: on the final day of a holiday last year she emailed to tell me that the office was shut to non-essential staff due to a problem with the water supply. That's the way it should be! She also has my mobile phone number, but she's never called it.

      I'm on holiday again this week. I don't have a sensibly priced data service, which usually makes me realise how often I pull my phone out of my pocket in otherwise empty moments. Too much!

    6. Re:You forgot to mention... by Creepy · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's calls they are talking about - I know people checking for and responding to texts every 3-4 minutes all day long. I send 1-2 texts a month and am lucky if I even check my phone 3x a day, so I'm drastically below average.

    7. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't do work on MY time.

      You do if your boss expects you to. Part of the side effect of everyone being so available.

    8. Re:You forgot to mention... by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 5, Funny

      What impresses me the most about "outside" after a mass gaming session is its frames per second and resolution.

    9. Re:You forgot to mention... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed. I am just thankful I live where there are liquor stores with drive up windows...

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    10. Re:You forgot to mention... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      LoL.

      But I'm sure there's some kind of fakery involved.

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    11. Re:You forgot to mention... by Mozai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > If you answer the phone for work or are a slave to work...then it is YOUR fault.

      Sorta. I've had managers with these habits, and they expect me to keep up with them. When I don't, I'm "not a team player" and "the reason why this project failed" and "up for another performance review."

      Not answering the phone one weekend was the reason given as to why I was the only person on my team who did not get a cost-of-living pay raise. It was unreasonable, and petty, and it was the stated reason.

      So, when you say "YOU do this to YOURSELF," I gotta respond "sure, but the alternative is for someone else to punish me for not doing it."

    12. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen, brother!

      I took Friday off (to race my car at the track! :-) and I will be taking all 3 days this weekend, including most of Sunday to watch the Indy 500. Note I also work in the fast paced high tech world, but we know how to budget our time and get shit done.

      I used my smart phone all day long yesterday and will all weekend too. I just won't switch my BB back to work mode until Monday morning.

      Easy peasy.

    13. Re:You forgot to mention... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I went on holiday for three weeks in March. While on the train to the airport, I set the work email account "check frequency" to "never".

      The most recent Gmail update for iOS added the ability to log out of individual email accounts rather than all of them at once. Since my personal email is on Gmail, and my workplace is using Google Apps, this is an important ability to have.

      However this weekend I'm on call, so it's rather moot at the moment.

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    14. Re:You forgot to mention... by Calydor · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's just a pre-rendered cutscene.

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    15. Re:You forgot to mention... by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Find a new job. Or move somewhere that legally protects people from bullying pencil necks.

    16. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Maybe you should just kill your boss. Need to start putting the fear of death in retards before they fuck up the world any more than they already have.

    17. Re:You forgot to mention... by socialleech · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Then you either need to find another job, or lay down the law with your employer.. and preferably with an HR rep present when you do.

      I was 'on call' for almost 2 years with one company I worked for, and almost got fired because I slept in on a Saturday and didn't answer my phone for about 3 hours. After that, I called a meeting with my manager and HR exec. I told them if I was to be considered 'on call' at all hours of the day, 24/7/365.. then they needed to pay me for the hours I was expected to answer the phone.

      I then laid out the math, considering 1/4th of my salary for 'on call' status outside of normal work, they would have to raise my salary to 75% greater than my current pay. I was told they would hire another person, and divide the 'on call' status across the group to make it 'fair'. After that, I received almost no calls outside of work(except on my 'on call' weekend). They figured spanning the 'on call' status to everyone on the team, was cheaper than any one of us getting that extra 75%.. and that's just at 1/4th of MY pay, and I was a mid-level dev at the time.

      I got my free time back, and they were happy that I brought the fact that I was upset with the matter to them, rather than just leaving because I was mad at the situation.

      On a side note: I used to work for a very well known in-house tech service.. on my week, once every 6 months, I was paid 1/4 time 8hrs a day for them to be able to call me at any hour, and have me answer. Even when I worked that day.

    18. Re:You forgot to mention... by Rary · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It's not the tools, it's the tools who use them. The Exchange client on my smartphone allows me to specify my work hours, and I have it set up to NOT deliver any new emails outside of those hours. Lots of phones do this, but it's up to the user to use it.

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    19. Re: You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"the reason why this project failed"

      Tell me more of this "failure" concept

    20. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you telling cayenne8 what he does, I think he knows better than you. Your boss won't expect it if you don't actually do it. Unless you are being paid to work while you aren't actually at work, then you shouldn't do it, it is only by choosing to make yourself available that you create the expectation, so it is your own damn fault if you are expected to do it.

    21. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not answering the phone one weekend was the reason given as to why I was the only person on my team who did not get a cost-of-living pay raise. It was unreasonable, and petty, and it was the stated reason.

      So, when you say "YOU do this to YOURSELF," I gotta respond "sure, but the alternative is for someone else to punish me for not doing it."

      No, the alternative is to start looking for another job. Obviously this one isn't a good fit for you. I know that can be hard to impossible, but you need to start looking if they're going to treat you so poorly.

    22. Re:You forgot to mention... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can retrain your boss. It starts with turning off all notifications on all electronic communication means - IM, Email, Texts, etc. If they don't notify you, they don't interrupt your day. These actions change your day from being interrupt driven to actually being productive. I check email 3-4 times a day during working hours, or after every meeting, since I'm already interrupted. Yes, occasionally I'm late to the meeting that was scheduled 23 min ago, so what? If it wasn't important enough to tell you about, it's not that important. This also trains people to stop reacting to everything and to think their personal small emergency deserves immediate attention from everyone.

      This approach serves me well, and makes my work day manageable. It also has set expectations of "work" time and "timely" responses. Email is not instant. Neither is Text nor IM. Even phone calls aren't always immediate. It's a good lesson to relearn.

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    23. Re:You forgot to mention... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      maybe you should just find a new job and sue the old one for not paying for overtime for the time they thought you should have worked.

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    24. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? that's insightful? or did you mean inciteful?

    25. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You actually have to leave the house? I have all of my liquor delivered.

    26. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you flipped those idiots the bird and found a new job with an entirely new company.

      The only reason ass clowns like that exist is because we let them. Fuck that shit, refuse to be a pawn.

    27. Re:You forgot to mention... by sootman · · Score: 1

      Real life:

      Pros: realistic physics and lighting, imperceptible antialiasing.

      Cons: permadeath.

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    28. Re:You forgot to mention... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I've got a smartphone, but it's mostly useless. Why read work email when I can just use the computer at work? If I'm not at work, there is no possible way I'm going to be reading work email, that's just stupid. And I don't have anyone texting me either. It's really not all that convenient a device.

    29. Re:You forgot to mention... by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's insightful. The slavery here is voluntary.

    30. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Find a new job. Or move somewhere that legally protects people from bullying pencil necks.

      Exactly what I was going to say to GP - "Why are you still working there?"

      If your manager has a habit of calling you outside office hours for non-urgent business, finding another job became your first priority.

    31. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voicemail is probably the worst invention in the history of communication technology.

      I don't leave voicemails. I don't answer voicemails. You know what I do with voicemails? I refuse to have voicemail service on my phone. So I don't even get them. And if by some chance you find a way to leave one for me, I delete voicemails without even listening to them. Simply put, if you leave voicemail for me, you're not worth the time it takes to listen to you ramble. So just don't bother.

      If you want to contact me NOW, call. If I don't answer, then tough. No soup for you. If I answer, mission accomplished.

      If you want to leave me a message to answer when I get to it, email me. If you're too lazy to do that, text me. If you're too lazy to do that, then just don't bother.

      Leaving a voicemail is a surefire way to get ignored.

    32. Re:You forgot to mention... by Libertarian001 · · Score: 1

      Is that even legal? My boss has said, on more than one occasion, that the expectation is that I will answer my phone when I am *not* at work and *not* on call. I've told him explicitly that that, by definition, means that I *am* on call and that he *will* pay me to be on call.

      IANAL, but if I was told what you were told, I would be immediately talking to an attorney.

    33. Re:You forgot to mention... by Libertarian001 · · Score: 1

      I like how I can interact with everything, how everything is deformable, and the limitless changes to the plot due to my actions.

    34. Re:You forgot to mention... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Wish I had a mod point for you. This is the definitive post, if you ask me.

      I set my email app to check once per hour and I put a sig on my emails that says if something is urgent to call me. I stopped logging into to IM years ago after I realized I was being interrupted every 15 minutes by a control freak who wanted to run me by remote control.

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    35. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The slavery here is voluntary.

      I find that as offensive as suggesting that its a womans own fault for staying with an abusive husband. I myself have been economically abused far worse by my employers, every last one of them, than my gambling addict ex-fiance...and she was pretty bad.

    36. Re:You forgot to mention... by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      It's a culture that lives in fear. Constantly. Daily. Days on, or days off.

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    37. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's voluntary in the same way that someone with a gun to your head can make you jump off a building.

    38. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you started sending out resumes after that little confrontation, because the chances of you going anywhere in that organisation (except for the shitcan in the next round of redundancies) are zero.

    39. Re:You forgot to mention... by MistrBlank · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Steve in the next cube over is answering the call as he's next in line, he responds to the email that comes in and generally puts forth more effort than you. This is recognized by management. Steve gets a promotion eventually, you do not. Moreover, management sees Steve's fervor, they want more Steves and they hire more Steves. Eventually there is a dip in funds and we have increased costs, someone must go. Who do you think they fire? (Hint: it isn't one of the Steve clones).

      I'm not trying to justify it, but the reality is whoever makes more money for the boss, whether the lower employees make more is irrelevant.

    40. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto to all of these but the first!

    41. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can retrain your boss.

      Easy for you to say, I _am_ the boss. How do I retrain myself??!

    42. Re:You forgot to mention... by nobodie · · Score: 1

      i have a phone, they called it a "2.5G" when I bought it. It still works for what I want and need. That is the difference: while you want all the flash and glitter of the newest thing, I stopped caring about it when it stopped being an important improvement to my life. Flash and glitter does nothing to improve my world. So I disdain the iShinies and ignore the call of the cool. I ride home on the bus so we only need one car ( a hybrid) I listen to podcasts on my tablet while I ride and if anybody calls I don't hear it. If anyone from work calls about work at home I quickly answer that it will get solved first thing tomorrow, when I am at work.

      How hard is that people?

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    43. Re:You forgot to mention... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      My smartphone is almost three years old, and I don't intend to replace it until at least the end of the year (by that point I think it might no longer do what it did when I bought it, as the size of various important apps, like email and maps, will have increased beyond the size of the internal memory, and the complexity of web pages might be more than it can reasonably cope with).

      I've seen many of my friends upgrade to the latest phone as soon as their 24 month contract ended, but the battery life is the same, the screen is slightly larger, the internal memory larger -- nothing so important that I feel I should spend £400-600 on a new phone. That's enough to pay for a holiday, or simply save.

    44. Re:You forgot to mention... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Well, there ARE other jobs you know.

      :)

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    45. Re:You forgot to mention... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Steve in the next cube over is answering the call as he's next in line, he responds to the email that comes in and generally puts forth more effort than you. This is recognized by management. Steve gets a promotion eventually, you do not. Moreover, management sees Steve's fervor, they want more Steves and they hire more Steves. Eventually there is a dip in funds and we have increased costs, someone must go. Who do you think they fire? (Hint: it isn't one of the Steve clones).

      Well, you do have to be a very valuable employee or contractor to get your way too.

      I am the "Steve" you mentioned in my normal hours working job. If there is an emergency, I wil work, however, when I start a job, W2 or 1099, I state up front and get in writing that I do not work for free, ever. I get paid for every single hour I'm at work, or on call.

      Again, my free time is much too valuable to me...and even on some cases, even with compensation being offered, I will turn it down to have MY time with MY friends and MY family....etc.

      If they dont' want to go by those rules, well....there ARE always other jobs out there.

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    46. Re:You forgot to mention... by FreekyGeek · · Score: 1

      When a boss asks me to work extra hours I say "As long as you're asking me to spend my presonal time working for you for free, will you come over and mow my lawn? No? So you want me to spend my free time working for you for nothing, but you aren't willing to do the same? That doesn't sound very fair to me."

    47. Re:You forgot to mention... by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 1

      It's the phantom buzzes that kill my time.

      That being said I have a few comments for some of the folks that have replied recently: If you work in a shop that doesn't require you (officially or otherwise) to be available after hours, you're probably not the target for the discussion. My job, for example, has no "official" after hours policy that I have to deal with, which would imply that when Friday evening rolls around I can turn my phone off until Monday, right? Wrong. If a user in Japan can't connect to their sales meeting because of a failure, it's not the user that gets pinned to the wall the next week - it's the tech. If my CEO tries to do some work on the weekend and her fucking mouse isn't working I can expect to get a call - and I can expect to get chewed out for it the following Monday if I don't respond "quick" enough. This is the reality of the work environment that we spend our days in. Nobody gives a shit how much "free time" you have anymore...if you expect a paycheck, you had best make EVERYONE happy, or else you'll be collecting unemployment.

      But yeah, the phantom buzzes is what kills me the most. I tend to not get a lot of emails or requests on the weekends, but when I'm walking and I feel my phone buzz I have to check it. If I *think* I feel my phone buzz, for whatever reason, I have to check or risk the wrath of the mucky-mucks that work whatever fucking hours they want (3 hour lunches, etc). You know, I've gone into panics before when I felt a buzz and realized that I didn't even have my phone on me...but then it's stress from the side of, "Oh shit! I haven't had my phone on me! I hope I still have a job!"

      It would sure be nice if bosses and owners were reasonable about the expectations of their employees. The reality is that they don't know what your job is and they expect you to "prove" that you need more help before they'll hire any...unfortunately, because they don't understand (and are unwilling to learn) the work, they're still baffled when you try to explain to them that 70 users and 40+ servers are simply too much for one person to manage. Their reasoning? Well, not all 70 of those users are going to have a problem at the same time...

    48. Re:You forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a job and move out of your mommys basement before telling other people how to do their jobs.

  2. TL:DR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technology allowed the stressed to be more stressed.

    1. Re:TL:DR by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The problem is that these people cannot relax in the first place. Now they are working themselves into the ground. But I predict that the problem will be solved in a few years, by a flood of burn-outs. Most companies need to have a longer-term focus with regard to employees or they will fail.

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    2. Re: TL:DR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      why? Company will hire a new meat. There are 7 billion people out there , it is a resource cheap and abundant.

    3. Re: TL:DR by siride · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not all of those 7 billion can do certain jobs.

    4. Re: TL:DR by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Or rather if the job requires any kind of specific experience, most people cannot do most jobs. Experience cannot be replaced be replaced by anything else.

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    5. Re: TL:DR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much anyone can do anything with the right education - some just need more than others.

    6. Re: TL:DR by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is pretty much untrue for pretty much any non-menial job. Or rather "the right education" does not exist and cannot be created.

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  3. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guilty as charged. Sigh.

  4. I never forget anything... by Freddybear · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...as far as I can remember. :p

  5. 6 minutes is too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every 6 minutes? That's insane. I'll occasionally check my phone for messages, but I'd be surprised if I checked more than 20 times a day. Every 6 minutes seems a bit too much. How could you operate or focus on any particular task.

  6. Crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What took away the three day weekends is having unreasonable deadlines... and wanting to keep a job.

    Has nothing to do with a smartphone.

    1. Re:Crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What took away the three day weekends is having unreasonable deadlines... and wanting to keep a job.

      Has nothing to do with a smartphone.

      Exactly. And the arrogance portrayed here in the "I'll answer it when I feel like it" is hardly realistic, especially when you consider who pays for that corporate cell phone. if they wanted to only reach you 8 - 5 Monday - Friday, you wouldn't have a reason to have a cell phone at all.

    2. Re:Crap. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Some of us don't have corporate-issued phones but are still expected to be reachable if it's urgent (which is, of course, defined by the powers that be).

      Some of us would also probably choose to use our personal phones anyway if the corporate phone wasn't of our preferred brand/OS.

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    3. Re:Crap. by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      As long as they're willing to pay for triple overtime for after hours calls, they can call anytime they like. Up till 9pm, after that I expect a partnership.

      If you're going to eat shit, don't be surprised when people feed it to you.

    4. Re:Crap. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What took away the three day weekends is having unreasonable deadlines... and wanting to keep a job.

      I know the common reply here is simply, "Find another job if you don't like it." And that's one possibility, but not feasible for many people. Do you know what fixed unreasonable working conditions in the past? Collective bargaining. If you're afraid of sticking your neck out there by talking to HR and your boss about how you're being treated, get together a group of your coworkers and do it together.

      Do they want people on-call on three-day weekends? Fine -- pay you to be on-call. Do they want ridiculous amounts of overtime to meet "unreasonable deadlines"? Fine -- pay you bonuses for that overtime to meet special deadlines.

      If you have reasonable requests, and a lot of your coworkers feel the same way, you can probably negotiate some changes. You shouldn't feel like your job is on the line if you can't commit to doing overtime whenever asked and coming in over holiday weekends whenever is convenient. Unless you're mid-level management or above, you probably don't get paid enough to deal with that sort of crap.

      On the other hand, a lot of tech companies in the past couple decades seem to have developed some sort of crazy work ethic where you have a bunch of guys all under 35, with no lives, who are willing to work 80 per week all the time. I know a few guys who thrive on this sort of thing -- they just seem to keep looking for jobs that will punish them like that.

      If all of your coworkers are like that, then your only recourse probably is to find a new job to improve working conditions. But if you spend your lunchtime complaining about these things with your coworkers, you can probably work to change it.

      (Of course, this is all assuming that your company isn't ready to fire all of you and outsource the work to India. But if you and your coworkers are actually doing good work in your positions, that scenario is unlikely.)

    5. Re:Crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overtime? What the F**K is that? I am a salary engineer and I don't get overtime, and the company can say oh we need you to finish this project by yesterday or ELSE. We management are off to a wonderful weekend of hookers, champagne, and blow.

    6. Re:Crap. by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

      Start looking for a new job then. One that has overtime for when the managers pull stunts like that.

    7. Re:Crap. by Stormthirst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      <sarcasm>
      But that's socialism. Don't fall into the trap America!
      <sarcasm/>

    8. Re:Crap. by Solandri · · Score: 1

      I know the common reply here is simply, "Find another job if you don't like it." And that's one possibility, but not feasible for many people. Do you know what fixed unreasonable working conditions in the past? Collective bargaining. If you're afraid of sticking your neck out there by talking to HR and your boss about how you're being treated, get together a group of your coworkers and do it together.

      There's a third option - start your own company. If you think an existing company is unfairly underpaying employees, then it should be trivial to start a competing company and scoop up the cream of those employees for a fairer wage. If you immediately jump for the union option, then you just solidify in the managers' minds that it's unions which are the cause of their woes. And come next election they'll be voting for and donating money to candidates who try to stifle unions. OTOH if you start a competing company and put them out of business, then they have to face up that it was their management policies and uncompetitive wages which led to their failure.

      "But starting a company is so hard..." No it's not. My entire extended family is made up of immigrants. Most of them stepped off the plane with just a few hundred to a few thousand dollars in their name. About half of them started and now run their own business. The most successful runs a company worth about $6 million. If people who can barely speak the language can start a successful business, so can you.

      There are always options. But if you don't try, then it's guaranteed to be impossible.

    9. Re:Crap. by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      What took away the three day weekends is having unreasonable deadlines... and wanting to keep a job.

      Has nothing to do with a smartphone.

      My wage is low enough that I can respond to my employer "Oh, you want me to work in the weekend? Double time, then?" The answer is invariably that "We don't pay overtime". So, I'll have a look at it Monday morning :)

      Where I live the norm is that if you earn above about USD 105k a year, all your time belongs to the company, depending on your contract. The concept of overtime is not applicable, as you're expected to contribute your time if necessary. This is normally specified in your contract.

      If your wage is below that, you're free to demand overtime for work outside of office hours. At my place of employment, they customarily don't pay that at all, so I'm not "allowed" to do it except when ordered to by a superior.

      I also declined the offer of a company phone, because that came with the expectation of me being always available. I don't even get work mail delivered to my personal device, because they demand complete control over my phone to do that. Two chances of that: fat and slim. Of course I could use the web-mail interface, and I occasionally do in emergencies, but all over I'm fine with not having to deal with work stuff in my spare time :)

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    10. Re:Crap. by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Overtime? What the F**K is that? I am a salary engineer and I don't get overtime, and the company can say oh we need you to finish this project by yesterday or ELSE. We management are off to a wonderful weekend of hookers, champagne, and blow.

      So, your contract says nothing about work hours or compensation for working in your spare time? I hope your salary is high :)

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    11. Re: Crap. by The+Sad+Nazgul · · Score: 1

      This is what happens when you don't have unions.

    12. Re:Crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What took away the three day weekends is having unreasonable deadlines... and wanting to keep a job.

      I know the common reply here is simply, "Find another job if you don't like it." And that's one possibility, but not feasible for many people.

      So it means you are a slave for all practical purpose?

      This is not intended to be a flame, but to make you think about your situation. Maybe your "not feasible" really only means "not comfortable". I know some people have a comfort zone around their job, no matter how they are being abused, they are not comfortable with changing job. I hopped around a bit before settling down in my current job, so I know about the anxiety of the process, and it is not as bad as people who never changed job thought.

      By knowing, first hand, how uncomfortable I am at changing jobs, I have a clear bottomline of how much abuse I will take from my boss. Unless you are a-ok with being a slave, you would have a bottomline also. When that line was breached, what you currently thought was "not feasible", may be feasible after all.

    13. Re:Crap. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      "Find another job if you don't like it." And that's one possibility, but not feasible for many people.

      If you're in this situation in the computer industry, then you need to do something to change it, soon. Companies don't last forever, so even if you're doing an amazing job, eventually you're going to be out of a job, and probably sooner than later.

      Prepare for it now.

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    14. Re:Crap. by drolli · · Score: 1

      Yes. I dont work on weekends and i possess and use a smartphone.

      Working on the weekends means

      a) You have a job which inherently needs to be done on the weekends

      b) You cant say "no" to new tasks even if you realistically would have see that there is no way of doing them in the planned time The reason for this could be not being able to resistss pressure from your (stupid) boss or not being able to estimate you own work speed

      c) You projekt manager fucks up and while the abolute amount of tasks is right, needed input only arrives at you on Friday instead of Monday.

      d) (My previous life) You work in research, which is a combination of the points above on a regular base

    15. Re:Crap. by hpoul · · Score: 1

      there are many good reasons to start your own company.. but wanting to pay more to your coworkers is not one of them.. how should that work.. you offer the same service as the established company.. just without any proven business relations, any success stories, but with much higher prices.. doesn't sound like a good business plan to me..

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    16. Re:Crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool. Do you want to spot me about $20 million to start my own TV station?

      I make about fifteen bucks an hour as senior staff at one, and in the last couple of months I've worked almost 120 hours of (mandatory) unpaid overtime. Mandatory as in, if I don't do it, I get fired. Stuff as in the IT manager fucked up severely, and won't allocate staff to fix his mess, so I get to work the extra time to do it for free, because that won't cost him money. If I don't, as I stated, I'll get fired.

      I could always go for another job, but unfortunately, there are around 9000 unemployed people in my town. I've got nowhere to go.

      So yeah, there are always options, but the options can easily be only for other people.

    17. Re:Crap. by FreekyGeek · · Score: 1

      Non-US readers should note that in the US there arte rarely actrual contracts between employer and employee. i sure wish there were! but for most employees there are no written agreements other than the companys "policy handbook" - i.e., The Book Of Rules. So we don't get to specify things like overtime pay (no salaried employees get it, by and large), on-call hours, or anything else. They give you a paycheck, and if you still want it, you do what they say. The company dictatates all the conditions, the employees just have to suck it up. "It's not a negotiaion."

      Naturally there are some exceptions as you go up the ladder or in certain carreers, but for the vast majority that's how it is.

  7. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tell all of my employees that if they aren't on call, ignore work email. If I need you that desperately, I'll call. I've also made it clear to my boss that I will treat work communications the same way on my time off. Amazingly, we still manage to get the job done.

    1. Re:Easy by brainboyz · · Score: 1

      This is how I handle it. If I'm not on the clock, they don't get a response. Hell, a lot of the time my weekends are spent 10 to 20 miles from the nearest cell coverage.

  8. Turn the sucker off! by AbrasiveCat · · Score: 2

    Hey, they can be turned off. I recommend it. I remember moving from college with a networked mainframe (any one remember Wylbur?) to a research site which had a PDP 11/34 in one of the building that I didn't have access to and some Wang computers. I went through withdrawal for months. We did get pc computers networks etc, but I still can walk away at the end the day. Sure I may turn the computer on at home and check slashdot, pay some bills, or I may give it a couple days to check that email. Stay in control!

    1. Re:Turn the sucker off! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Since I telecommute work is never that far away but if I am not on call then the work phone isn't touched or paid attention to on weekends, vacation, holiday, etc. and I have a very old by still working dumb flip phone. The most the get out of me if I am out of office is I will have my phone and phone only and they are limited to what information and support I can give.

  9. Move to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I work in technology in Canada, and extremely few people check their work email on (long) weekends. It's simply not expected. Some people do, sure, but for those who don't, no one ever judges or cares. It's just a cultural thing.

    I pity people who live in a reality where you are expected to work when you're not working in order to keep your job or move up.

    Sad.

    1. Re:Move to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also worth noting, is that "bring your own device" is not generally done here. Companies provide work phones, and few people access work email from a personal phone. That probably also makes a big difference. On weekends, the work phone gets turned off.

    2. Re:Move to Canada by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "I work in technology in Canada, and extremely few people check their work email on (long) weekends. "

      Ditto here in Luxembourg.

      "It's simply not expected."

      Nobody would even think to do it. It would be working for free, only stupid people do that.
      If you're on call you have to be paid, always, it's the law.
      If you're not paid to be on call, people don't even pick up the phone if the number is blocked or comes from a company phone.
      Overtime has to be taken as free time until the end of the following month or it has to be paid _and_ taken as free time..

    3. Re: Move to Canada by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      Same here in Australia - people are not expected or pressured to give up their holidays and/or weekends in this way. Indeed, most managers actively discourage this kind of mentality. It's a work to live country and I suspect there'd be rioting in the streets if someone tried to change that.

      This kind of article, combined with the tiny amount of vacation Americans get per year compared to every other country makes it sound like (working) hell on earth. Or maybe Americans just love working :)

    4. Re:Move to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was on call this weekend. I had my Blackberry (yeah, I'm old school) and my personal iPhone with me almost all the time. And I had my laptop in the back seat of my car.

      I was out in the middle of nowhere, Nebraska, with a single 3G signal bar roaming between LTE and GPRS, depending on where I was pointing my phone to.

      I was kayak'ing. I was doing lumber saw competitions. I was muzzle shooting. I was fishing. I did had a hell of fun. The only times I was actually looking to my phone was by the late nights to double check the weather radar and get myself ready to take my a$$ off before a tornado hit us - which I'm glad it never happened.

      Today is Thrusday, my mailbox is clean, my Google Reader feed is almost clean, someone's from my team is on call now and I had one of the most memorable weekends on my whole life.

      Am I lucky? Maybe. Or maybe I just did the right thing. I left the business ran by itself while I was enjoying my life.

  10. No way to change by Subgenius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (this is NOT a troll)

    As a person (senior management) who has been told by his CEO "I don't care about what happens to the employees, I care about my company making money," I don't see there is anything you can do to get 'companies' to recognize the value of vacations... other than quitting and making them scramble to find someone else they can screw over. Sadly, the perception of vacations, much like IT and paid training in general, is that it is a drain on the company (doesn't produce IMMEDIATE revenue but DOES result in IMMEDIATE costs), and if it was possible to run the company without it, most companies would do so in a heart beat. Of course, those companies are often hell-holes to work in and fail on a regular basis.

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    1. Re:No way to change by rmstar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see there is anything you can do to get 'companies' to recognize the value of vacations...

      That's what unions are for.

      other than quitting and making them scramble to find someone else they can screw over.

      If you do it alone, nobody will notice. You have to unionize. Read some history.

      Sadly, the perception of vacations, much like IT and paid training in general, is that it is a drain on the company (doesn't produce IMMEDIATE revenue but DOES result in IMMEDIATE costs), and if it was possible to run the company without it, most companies would do so in a heart beat. Of course, those companies are often hell-holes to work in and fail on a regular basis.

      ...and that's why regulation is necessary. If you pass solid laws ensuring paid vacations and freedom from weekend work, companies will stop competing by squeezing the employee. Instead, they will compete on something else. Without unions, such laws will never happen, and everybody will continue to be screwed.

    2. Re:No way to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your CEO is a classic Dilbert style idiot. That attitude is anti-fact and wrong. Happy, unstressed employees make productive employees.

      Well - there is one exception, and that is where the underling job description is so mundane and requires only monkey skills without training and anyone can do it. Yes, in this case, it might make sense to screw the workers, but for any skilled job, people need time to cool their minds down.

    3. Re:No way to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead, they will compete on something else.

      Like just reducing the salary of employees by roughly the same proportion that adding paid vacations increases it and no weekend work reduces their total work hours.

    4. Re:No way to change by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These people (including your CEO) are fundamentally incompetent. Vacations were not established to do the workers any good. They were established because people with adequate vacations make less mistakes, get sick less often, have better ideas and higher productivity, etc. and that pays off financially. Henry Ford, among others, realized this, and he was definitely not pro-worker in any sense. But he valued his own profits and sought to maximize them. Reasonable working hours and vacations are part of that maximization process. Your CEO is costing your company a lot of money. Any senior manager that does not know this is incompetent and should be removed as the amateur he is.

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    5. Re:No way to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unenlightened management motto:
      "The floggings will continue until morale improves!"

      YMMV

    6. Re:No way to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies...no, not the companies, the 'company' doesn't give a shit, but its executives do, so they would then "compete" on this by working above-board and below-board to subvert or get these rules changed, with glory and improved quarterly reports coming in to the companies that succeed in their efforts to weaken, eliminate or rollback these rules. Whether those efforts be political contributions, collectivizing their efforts into lobbying organizations, astroturfing "bottom-up" campaigns, "model legislation", or figuring out how to subvert the enforcers with future work that is much better paying than their lowly bureaucratic status was getting them, etc.
         

    7. Re:No way to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your CEO is costing your company a lot of money. Any senior manager that does not know this is incompetent and should be removed as the amateur he is.

      Another key point, accountability. The moment somebody needs to hand off their projects/work to anohter person for a week or two, it becomes pretty obvious if something is FUBAR'd but was otherwise being hidden by said employee. Thus I agree with parent the CEO is an idiot and needs to go back to management school. The importance of vacation is taught in every management school these days, and, the importance of not allowing rollover vacation.

    8. Re:No way to change by Kjella · · Score: 1

      They were established because people with adequate vacations make less mistakes, get sick less often, have better ideas and higher productivity, etc. and that pays off financially. Henry Ford, among others, realized this, and he was definitely not pro-worker in any sense.

      Henry Ford was in a "race to the bottom" for employers and didn't care one bit, by offering better conditions than anyone else he could get the cream of the crop and lower turnover significantly leading to a highly skilled, highly experienced workforce that trashed anyone else. I doubt there was any conclusive proof to show that the average worker would be more productive on a shorter day, all other things being equal.

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    9. Re:No way to change by Splab · · Score: 1

      Except unions and strikes only worked when you could force a plant to shut down.

      These days, you can hire contractors to do most work remotely, they don't need to force their way through the barricades to start up heavy machinery.

      I used to believe in unions, I live in Denmark where we have the famous Danish Model for unions; it has however, been shown by the government in the last couple of months, that unions are absolutely worthless and workers can be treated as slaves.

      If you have a job, hope to god you get to keep it, because it gets harder and harder to get a new one.

    10. Re:No way to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ford didn't prove it no, on the other hand there was reams of research on that in the 60's and they did conclusively show that 40 hours workday is about the max productivity.

  11. QUICK! Pile Blame on the NEW thing! by jnutley · · Score: 2

    Why do we keep posting this FUD? People have fretted about their jobs on weekends forever. Checking your e-mail is a smaller opportunity cost than walking past your artisan shop or out to your fields after church but plenty of people did it even then. Don't blame your smartphone, blame your own unwillingness to focus your attention elsewhere.

  12. Not me by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We have an on call rotation at work, and I am plugged into my work smartphone when on call. That's it. When I'm not on call, the smartphone stays at home (and gets ignored while I'm at home).

    There are those who get forced into spending weekend time on work, and I do have a lot of sympathy for those people (though I would encourage them to find a job with an employer who isn't abusing them). But a lot of people who spend weekend time on work don't do so because they'll get fired or anything... they just do it out of a misguided sense of loyalty to their employer and dedication to their job. Those people are fools, unless their employer is repaying them for that devotion (which almost none do).

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    1. Re:Not me by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Same here, though I don't even check the phone when I'm on call, just wait for a text message if something goes wrong.

      I'll check work email at weekends after we've just rolled out a major software upgrade or something else that could break things in a big way, but otherwise weekends are time away from work. And that's only because if I screw up and don't fix it, I could be seeing news stories about the consequences by Monday.

    2. Re:Not me by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't check either. I have some email alerts set up, and my phone only plays a notification if one of those comes in (or if someone calls, obviously).

      And like I said, I'm sympathetic to people who get forced into that stuff by management. But there are so many people that voluntarily give up their work life balance, and then complain about how much time they spend working. Well, you're the one who chose to work 7 days a week...

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    3. Re:Not me by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Missed a big portion of America: people who check their phones, even though they aren't on the clock, because they LIKE what they do and want to stay in the loop.

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    4. Re:Not me by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      We should be embracing this technology not running away from it. Why not make the staff all on call for half the week? Apparently they are already working from home. Spend the weekend and Monday Tuesday answering some emails, helping coworkers, planning, being on call, then Wednesday to Friday smash the office work. We would be getting more time at home, on your boat, with the kids or whatever, and i reckon we would be getting roughly the same work done. We have these little computers in our pockets that are connected to the internet pretty much where ever we go, and its mostly used for uploading pictures of food. Also i would look at my phone maybe 10 times a day, so some people must be looking at it every couple of minutes to make up for people like me.

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    5. Re:Not me by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I like what I do a lot. But regardless of how much you enjoy your work, if you're putting in extra work without fair compensation then you are allowing yourself to be ripped off. Your employer isn't going to show you a shred of loyalty for those extra hours, so why sacrifice other activities you enjoy to work, even if you enjoy your work?

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    6. Re:Not me by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Now is this a senior job, or just an entry level grunt job? I just can't imagine senior positions being stuck "on call". That's for help desk stuff maybe, or when a company is severely understaffed and needs someone to guard the building at night. It should also be something that is RARE. If your particular job requires this, then you need to get compensation for it, you take time off later. If you are forced to work during the three day weekend then you will take a different three day weekend with NO WORK. If you are consistently working more than 8 hours a week (and this includes reading email at home) then complain to your state's labor division. The boss can ask you to do something above and beyond the call of duty, but you are not required to say yes.

    7. Re:Not me by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Plus, if you don't work those extra hours nothing bad will happen! The boss may make it seem like it's mandatory, but people don't get fired for it and rarely get dinged during performance reviews (you'll get a far larger raise by changing jobs than from the yearly review anyway). This system of tricking employees into working 80 hour weeks or being on call 365 days a year only works if the employees allow it to work. I never see anyone fired over stuff like this as long as they get the job done, and I never see these 80 hour a week people look like they're happy.

    8. Re:Not me by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      If you like what you do, you aren't reading the TPS reports about your job, you are actually doing your job. There have been times when I got so much more work done off the clock (yes, working for free is stupid, but that stupidity is mitigated with a hard deadline and your job on the line) because I only worked, I didn't check every stupid piece of corporate sponsored spam in my inbox, and they never scheduled meetings about the proper way to fill in a request for more TPS pre-printed cover sheet request forms.

      Checking Email? That's usually not work, that's corporate politics. The fine art of brown-nosing.

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    9. Re:Not me by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      I agree. In fact, I take it a step futher - if I am not on call, for at least one 24 hour period of my weekend, the phone goes OFF (unless I am trying to make plans with someone to do something, but as I am off Thursday, Friday and Saturday, and no one else is ever available Thursdays, that is the day the phone is off). On that day, I don't check personal e-mail, I don't blog, I don't facebook, I don't do bills, or even check personal e-mails. I might do laundry, but it is usually a day of laying around, reading, watching movies, catching up on TV shows, or reading books (fiction - reading an O'Riley book could be construid as work). Yeah, it may sound like a religious motivated thing, but it is a good thing to do - to give your body and mind a day to just relax and unplug. The change it has made in my life has really been amazing - I am happier, less stressed, and feel rested when I go back to my work, ready to take another week of abuse. I suggest everyone to give it a shot if they are not on-call.

  13. Depends on your priority and speed by cpct0 · · Score: 2

    I nearly never checked my work e-mails at home, even if I've been a lead in most companies. I started a successful company with other people. Even then, my evenings were my evenings, and my week-ends were my week-ends, not my company's. Some exceptions of course, but they remained exceptions.

    I give my all when I am at work, and disconnect myself from work at home. Like every good geek, I check my personal e-mails, and I check my personal phone messages approximately 594,000,000 times per microsecond (slightly exaggerating, but let's just say that number would be higher if I didn't have to drive sometimes ;) ), and everyone @ work knows they can call me or phone me if they are stuck. However, I will not jeopardize my mental sanity or my family's sanity for work. Starting a company is enough hard work to feel the strain, starting early AM and ending late PM (if ever), I won't add up a chain up on my nose when I'm away.

    Which doesn't mean it doesn't work for you, I mean, I have people whose job it is to be 24/7 (some IT and some managers). Then you have to adapt your rhythm so you are relaxed most of the time, so your brain can work during long marathons, instead of 8 hours sprints. Even then, they all know the meaning of disconnecting, and will resort going to a place where their phone doesn't work if needed, but they will relax.

    And if you feel like you work too hard, then don't :) There are other jobs elsewhere that doesn't require constant connection. Just change. It's your life. You do what you want.

    1. Re:Depends on your priority and speed by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      I check my personal e-mails, and I check my personal phone messages approximately 594,000,000 times per microsecond

      You mean, you don't have push notifications?

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    2. Re:Depends on your priority and speed by cpct0 · · Score: 1

      hahahaha, yes, but not for everything. Because the Fruity Device I got doesn't handle spam correctly, it means it gets _all_ the e-mails from my provider. So I wait for them to be filtered out by my computer, and then, I read them. No Push for e-mails.

      Nor for the Social company, not particularly granular for the different wall posts, so I prefer to actually check them myself.

      In other words, I mostly use Push notifications to get informed of the state of my servers at home, some messaging, and that's mostly it.

    3. Re:Depends on your priority and speed by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Can't you filter the mails in procmail instead? As you' mention having "servers", in plural no less, I assume you have the capacity to process mail on your own.

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    4. Re:Depends on your priority and speed by cpct0 · · Score: 1

      True, but right now it works, so it's very very very far in my priority list. Mostly something I would do on the whim of the moment if I wanted. Now, I don't care. as having a buzz every time I get an e-mail is not exactly a highlight of what I want to get :)

  14. Durr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignore them when they call, SMS or email. Or better yet, turn their cell phones off altogether when you are not getting paid.

  15. Just leave it off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was given a smart phone at work I made it clear that when I went home, unless I was going to be on call, the phone stayed turned off. In fact, often the phone stayed at my desk at work. There are times when office life gets busy and stressful and people need to put in more hours, that's fine. But during the normal routine, works stays at the office and my time is my time. There need to be clear boundaries, otherwise people burn out.

  16. The problem is the users by gweihir · · Score: 1

    It is quite enough to check it once per day. Or not at all on the weekend. That users have panic of becoming "unreachable" is not really rational. Almost all things can wait a few hours, typically a few days. Switching the phone off is not treason to the world, it is just rational. Oh, and when answering work-stuff on the weekend (which I occasionally do), it of course goes onto my time-sheet and gets fully paid for. Otherwise I would not even bother looking at it.

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    1. Re:The problem is the users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No girl friend mate? If it wasn't for girls i would probably leave it at home, even ignoring them for an hour or two can result in moodyness.

    2. Re:The problem is the users by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, no. Probably my unwillingness to put up with crap like that is one of the reasons.

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  17. tell the customers you are off by alen · · Score: 1

    so if something goes down on the weekend you just leave it down until work time and screw the customers?
    i'm sure they won't mind their paid services being down until lunch time on Monday

    1. Re:tell the customers you are off by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      We tell them, if they want someone to fix their problems at weekends, they can pay $50,000 a year to have them on call. Seems to work for us, and people line up to be on call for the extra few hundred dollars a week.

    2. Re:tell the customers you are off by Howitzer86 · · Score: 2

      Naturally, it all depends on what you do for a living. That's why I find the calls for more regulation and unionization troubling. Some people need to be available, and hell, some want to be available. It all depends and there needs to be exceptions when talking about this stuff.

    3. Re:tell the customers you are off by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

      If my employer considers it important enough to have production problems addressed on the weekend, then they'll prepare for it. They'll hire enough people to have staff to cover things on weekends. They'll assign an on-call rotation. They'll provide the beeper or cel phone to contact the on-call people (since the device goes with the role it can be passed from one person to the next). And they'll provide compensation for working that time (either as part of salary negotiated at hire or as additional compensation for additional work beyond what was agreed upon at hire). If they don't consider it important enough... well, it's their business, it's not my place as their employee to dictate to them how they should run it.

    4. Re:tell the customers you are off by alen · · Score: 1

      i will take working on weekends and flex work time. like if i need to work from home because one of my kids is sick and i don't want to spend $70 on a baby sitter. or i work from home one day a week so i can pick up a kid from public school and not spend the money on after school

      last few years i worked from home 30-40 days out of the year because of sick kids. and wasn't charged one day vacation since i was actually working

    5. Re:tell the customers you are off by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      so if something goes down on the weekend you just leave it down until work time and screw the customers? i'm sure they won't mind their paid services being down until lunch time on Monday

      If something goes down at any time, the employees working at the time fix it. If a company is offering 24-hour service without employing people 24-hours to provide it, they should be convicted of fraud. Calling employees during their off-time to do some work in order to cover fraud should not be standard operating procedure.

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    6. Re:tell the customers you are off by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      You assume it's their problem when there's a pretty good chance it's actually yours. See, they pay you to provide a service. If that service sucks on the weekend that's not on them.

  18. Switch it off and have 2 phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Easy, I have 2 phones. One provided by work which I switch off in the weekends and after 18:00 on weekdays and one private phone.

  19. canada - a communist hell hole by decora · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    i hear tell that in canada, they lock you up if you call someone a bad name. no thank you sir.

    i prefer to own a gun, scream racial slurs on my front lawn, and pay my taxes to brave young soldiers, instead of emo kids touring with their awful screamo bands.

    1. Re:canada - a communist hell hole by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 0

      I can attest to that, having escaped Canada for the U.S.

      I is also illegal to spend your own money to save your own life: everyone has to be on the same government health plan, "to be fair". Cuba and North Korea are the same.

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  20. unions? thats tantamount to killing all the jews by decora · · Score: 3, Funny

    dont you know? unions are only on this earth to promote the obama socialist muslim communist agenda to abort our children and fill our cheese with unhealthy dragon feces.

  21. This is a cultural problem by deanklear · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It took labor unions 100 years to fight for nights and weekends off, some say, while smartphones took them away in about three years

    Unfortunately, in the context of the American mind this makes sense but in fact it's totally incorrect. Nights and weekends off has been lost over the last 30 years or so because corporations and governments worked together to reduce labor laws that protect workers and reward offshoring of labor as another avenue to damaging worker rights. Taking away our right to unionize did not make them enough money, so they had to exploit slave labor in Southeast Asia to have another implement to control workers: threatening not only individuals but entire communities with factory shutdowns.

    And then they realized that with the militarization of our police forces they didn't have to threaten anything, so now they're just taking.They take our national wealth through tax loopholes, they drain our coffers with lucrative government contracts, and yet they continue to demand more and more money because there's no such thing as enough. Apple can't afford to pay full taxes, and they can't afford to pay Americans a living wage to build their products, but somehow they have over one hundred billion dollars in hard cash. They have so much money they haven't figured out how to spend it yet, and pretty much every corporation operates in a similar fashion.

    Corporations continue to take and take and the only thing that will stop them is a popular labor movement, which may or may not be around the corner. Until Americans understand the root of the problem -- corporate power far outpacing democratic will -- corporations will continue to take our rights, our money, and the inheritance of a living planet away from our children. That's not because corporate people are evil, it's because absolute power corrupts absolutely, and despite all of their protestations to the contrary, they operate as any warlord or king or priest does when they are in centers of power. If they see something they want and they can get away with it, they will take it.

    Smartphones don't have much to do with it.

    1. Re:This is a cultural problem by dskip215 · · Score: 1

      There's no "Like" button. 1199c

    2. Re:This is a cultural problem by kermidge · · Score: 1

      -- corporate power far outpacing democratic will --

      Nailed it. Odd, that; it's essentially a consequence of what Eisenhower (and others) warned us about.

      (I've read in several places that one of his speech writers edited his original 'military - industrial - congressional' phrase. It sounds interesting, except the thought of someone talking Ike into doing something against what he considered right doesn't jibe with what I've read of him. So finally, about ten minutes before this post, resorted to Wikipedia -
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex
        - which is a worthy article that I'm part-way through reading.)

      Popular labor movement? Seems to me it's rather built in to modern Europe, but I don't see it happening here in the U.S. It looks to me like the population in general is variously too apathetic, cowed, de-moralized, or resigned. As a nation we be goodlife organic labor units. (But I could be just having a bad day.)

  22. Re:VIP mailbox on iOS FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if a message is important enough to read, it's important enough that everyone should be able to read it?
    What if your phone gets stolen, or you pull the thing out in front of others to look something up?

  23. Sometimes They Hate Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I make it more than clear to any employer that almost without exception I am unavailable on my time off. If they want me to be on stand by status then I expect a stand by wage by the hour. That may have cost me an opportunity or two or a raise or two but frankly i never gave a hoot. I would live in a ditch before I would sell out to the man.

  24. This is biology by bhlowe · · Score: 1

    Humans crave information. We take hits of data like the best junkies. First thing I do when I wake up is look at whats new in technology, stocks, world events, and local news. I also check facebook and play a few "with friends" type games.. Then I'll write code or work. Then I repeat throughout the day. This is by choice.. and it is voluntary. People do what makes them happy. And in most cases, that means being wired in to work and their favorite sources of data -- sports, news, politics, work, or social media. If given a chance, people would never trade their smart phones in for electronics-free "solitude". We're just not built that way.

  25. Ah well, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Businesses compete against one another. One advantage that can help bring victory is keeping labor costs low while keeping productivity high. Having staff that works weekends without extra pay gives that competitive advantage.

    Every employer in the world has direct incentives to encourage this. And employees have incentives to participate in it...as being an employee of a successful business can bring more job security, specialization opportunities, and bonuses.

    Furthermore, since successful businesses tend to displace the unsuccessful ones over time, economic natural selection produces an environment where most employees do weekend work most of the time.

    If you want the weekend hours to stop, make them outright illegal. Illegal to even allow employees to do it if they want to. And use taxpayer money to fund a government auditing division to enforce this law.

    Of course, such extreme measures will never happen, so get used to the weekend work. It is just how humans do things.

    1. Re:Ah well, no... by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

      Why not just go the whole hog and eliminate that nasty pay all together? That way they company can be super competitive.

    2. Re:Ah well, no... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why not just go the whole hog and eliminate that nasty pay all together? That way they company can be super competitive.

      Why do you think they invented unpaid internships?

    3. Re:Ah well, no... by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

      Again something that's pretty much unique to America. The UK certainly doesn't stand for that kind of nonsense.

    4. Re:Ah well, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The incentive to be an employee of a successful company is that you get to share in the fruits of that success, in the form of raises, bonuses, career advancement and/or specialization opportunities, etc.

      Working for free to make the company more competitive would be self-defeating...unless you have sound reasons to believe there will be a long term reward for it.

      By the way, your line of reasoning is known as the "fallacy of excluded middle," or the "slippery slope fallacy," among the educated.

    5. Re:Ah well, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was/is rife in UK (I used unpaid interns a bit myself). They are starting to clamp down on it but they're not gone yet. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/12/unpaid-interns-100-firms-investigated.

    6. Re:Ah well, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      New Zealand does. My work has a few people through every year, working hours for free. They even get yelled at when they screw up, and come back for more.

    7. Re:Ah well, no... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Again something that's pretty much unique to America. The UK certainly doesn't stand for that kind of nonsense.

      oh but it is fairly common in europe, in similar positions probably that is in america. that is: advertising and graphics industries. half of the adverts you see were made by someone for free in the hopes of getting a permanent gig. it's a field of work where nobody gives a shit about regulations or laws or fairness.

      thing is - the schools even invented internship requirements so people can't even graduate without getting a gig and often it means a free gig.

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  26. my sister is addicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my sister will not put down her smartphone during suppertime. i turn my cell phone off at night. she leaves hers on at night and answers her phone in the middle of the night 7 days a week. most of the calls at night aren't related to work of family issues. i'm like, don't you get enough sleep at night? just saying.

  27. Re:VIP mailbox on iOS FTW by alen · · Score: 1

    stolen iphone i call one of the other IT people and ask them to wipe it
    or i find the nearest computer with a web browser and wipe it remotely

  28. The smartphone isn't killing the 3 day weekend... by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    declining wages and wealth inequality is. You're working that extra day to make up the pay you've lost over the last 30 years.

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  29. get a nice box to put your phone in by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

    a nice gilded wood box with a velvet lining works wonders in the whole "can't call you" thing.

    If its a real emergency they will track you down.
    list as follows

    1 Job is ON FIRE
    2 Boss is dead/out of action
    3 somebody wants to say the words "You have Been Served" to you
    4 somebody that did work the weekend dropped out/over
    5 TLAs have shown up and they are making frowny faces

    99% of the rest can wait until Tuesday

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    1. Re:get a nice box to put your phone in by sootman · · Score: 1

      I think #3 can wait until Tuesday, too.

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    2. Re:get a nice box to put your phone in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Not my problem, I'm not on the clock.
      2) Not my problem, I'm not on the clock.
      3) Not my problem. They have the responsibility to serve that, not me.
      4) Not my problem, I don't work in HR.
      5) Not my problem, TLA's can punt for all I care. If they had a real need, they'd do it themselves.

      So, not my problem. Everyone else can get bent. AND they can wait until Tuesday. I'm not going to specify WHICH Tuesday, however.

  30. How to restore your three- and four-day weekends by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1
    1. Turn off your work phone
    2. Remove battery
    3. Put both in safe
  31. It's your own fault.... by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    ... if you can't go through a long weekend without constantly checking your smart phone.

    Either you are in a job that you choose that requires 7x24 support, or you choose to work on a project that has a tight deadline, or you put up with a bad corporate culture for fear of having to find a new job, or you haven't trained co-workers, or you haven't faced the fact that you are a work-a-holic, etc.

    There are companies that value employees and recognize the benefits of personal time. Go find one.

    PS: This comment does not apply to situations where real emergencies occur. Those are obviously exceptions.

    1. Re:It's your own fault.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... if you can't go through a long weekend without constantly checking your smart phone.

      Either you are in a job that you choose that requires 7x24 support, or you choose to work on a project that has a tight deadline, or you put up with a bad corporate culture for fear of having to find a new job, or you haven't trained co-workers, or you haven't faced the fact that you are a work-a-holic, etc.

      There are companies that value employees and recognize the benefits of personal time. Go find one.

      PS: This comment does not apply to situations where real emergencies occur. Those are obviously exceptions.

      OR you have chosen to work in an industry where as a technical person you never be good enough to earn respect, rights or decent pay. Time to start training in something else, like finance or law school. Hell, if it's too late for you to do that you'd still be better off be doing something less materially rewarding but less draining on the soul, like opening a beach cafe somewhere or being a lumberjack.

  32. i work in a bangladeshi clothing factory by decora · · Score: 1

    and whenever im away on the weekend, i check my cellphone to see if my friends are dead.

  33. How can this even be true? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    The average smartphone user checks his or her device 150 times per day, or about once every six minutes.

    How in the world can someone check their smartphone that often? You'd have calluses from sliding the unlock icon surely.

    I check my android phone if it buzzes from a message and I'm not already doing something else, or if a voice call comes in. But I'm definitely not getting voice calls every six minutes.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re:How can this even be true? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      They're not putting it down/turning the screen off between checks.

      Check phone. Play angry birds. Check again before setting it down. Go get a drink. Check again. Browse facebook. Check again.

    2. Re:How can this even be true? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      That's really ony one check. If I pick up my phone and check facebook, email, and texts then play a game, then go on wikipedia. That's 1 check, or maybe 4 or 5. But are we counting every second I'm holding my phone as checking my phone? Do we also count checking the time on my phone when I don't wear a watch? Should we compare checking a phone with checking a wrist watch, it might be interesting but I don't know what that would tell us about people.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    3. Re:How can this even be true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average smartphone user checks his or her device 150 times per day, or about once every six minutes.

      How in the world can someone check their smartphone that often? You'd have calluses from sliding the unlock icon surely.

      Pfft, duh! That's why you turn off security so you don't need to do that! I can't think of any possible reason why you WOULDN'T do that!

      And stop calling me Shirley!

    4. Re:How can this even be true? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The average smartphone user checks his or her device 150 times per day, or about once every six minutes.

      How in the world can someone check their smartphone that often? You'd have calluses from sliding the unlock icon surely.

      If a quarter of all smartphone users are teens who check their smartphone 500 times a day, then the rest of the users only have to check 33 times a day (about twice an hour while awake) for the average (mean) to be 150 times per day.

      This is one of those cases where you want to be using the median, not the mean. But the median would be boringly infrequent, so the press likes to use the mean even when inappropriate.

    5. Re:How can this even be true? by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      Because my suspicion is they are pulling some sort of BS metric that were gathered and actually includes all the automatic pings that a typical cell phone does on it's own.

    6. Re:How can this even be true? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Every 2 minutes? please

      I'm not buying any of this.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    7. Re:How can this even be true? by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      I can see me checking about 50 times a day. My notifications for facebook, e-mail and texts all sound the same (and I have dug through everything to figure out hwo to change that). Luckily, for text messages, the phone lights up. So whenever my phone buzzes or beeps, I look down to see if it lit up. I have it setup where, if its plugged in, the screen stays on unless I shut it off, so I will glance down at it every time a notification comes in. So I guess you can say I on average check it about 50 times a day. If I had work e-mail going to my phone, I am sure I would check it more often than that.

    8. Re:How can this even be true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that 150 number looks pretty much made up -- it's from a Nokia "study" -- anyone got a copy? Didn't think so...

    9. Re:How can this even be true? by mapuche · · Score: 1

      Film yourself a whole day. One thing is what you think you do, and the reality of what you do.

      I know people who certainly check their smartphones every few minutes, checks-in 4 square when they go even to the loo, etc.

    10. Re:How can this even be true? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Those people are sick and probably aren't the majority of people. Their behavior is so unusual that you took note of it.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    11. Re:How can this even be true? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      It depends on what you consider a "check." If you look for emails when you look at the time, then that's a check. If you only look at the time, then that's not a "check" in the sense that we're talking about. Personally I can look at the time without unlocking my phone, but not emails and such, and do so often. I can't look at emails while I'm playing angry birds, etc. It's not like a computer where you can be reading your email and reading facebook at the same time... at least, my phone isn't.

    12. Re:How can this even be true? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Right. that's my experience at well. I just don't trust these statistics being thrown around because I can't use same basic assumptions to make sense of them. It stinks of sensationalism to me.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  34. Life or death! by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    No, this call from work is top priority and vitally important. It's life or death!
    Except I'm not an MD, I'm not doing heart transplants. I'm just a software engineer writing drivers for smartphones and tablets.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  35. get rid of salaries pay or have a high min level t by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    get rid of salaries pay or have a high min level to be on it with no OT pay say min of 80K-100K + cost of living bumps.

  36. Unions by ArchieBunker · · Score: 0

    Yeah unions are great. That steel industry sure is kicking ass and the cost/quality of American cars can't be beat!

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    1. Re:Unions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there are no other factors which could possibly effect the steel industry besides unions.....

    2. Re:Unions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! You should ban unions just like in China. Then you 'mercans can work 200 hrs/week, and make your cheap iPods yourself!

    3. Re:Unions by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

      You forgot that the 200 hours is paid at 50c an hour. And then you thank your employer on bended knee.

    4. Re:Unions by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah unions are great. That steel industry sure is kicking ass and the cost/quality of American cars can't be beat!

      The Germans and Japanese don't seem to have any trouble building competitive cars with union labor. So either American unions are considerably worse than their counterparts in other countries, or the problem lies somewhere else. The Big Three haven't exactly had brilliant management. In fact, their management has traditionally been crappy and shortsighted.

      German workers get paid much more than American workers and even have representation on corporate boards. Yet manufacturing in Germany is thriving and the quality of their goods is among the best in the world.

    5. Re:Unions by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Have you priced Mercedes/Audi/BMW against American cars? Excluding that new $30k Merc they all cost twice as much.

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      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    6. Re:Unions by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Unions priced themselves out of business. They demanded outrageous wages and concessions so the companies moved overseas. Some places you can't even change a light bulb or move a desk without calling in union workers. Sorry but you aren't worth $40 per hour to push a button or turn a bolt on an assembly line.

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      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    7. Re:Unions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germans also get more vacation time, more time off after a birth of a child and a whole host of things mandated BY THE GOVERNMENT. They don't get these things out of the goodness of the heart of the CEO of any corporation. Please don't talk about what folks get in other countries until we stop demonizing them the other 99% of the time as the socialist seventh level of hell. You can't use their productivity and quality to talk trash when the reasons for this productivity and quality of product would be just as crappy if their workers were overworked and underpaid like many sections of U.S. workers are. Dumbass.

    8. Re:Unions by geek · · Score: 1

      Have you priced Mercedes/Audi/BMW against American cars? Excluding that new $30k Merc they all cost twice as much.

      I have priced out American cars lately and unless you want a POS they cost just as much as Mercedes/Audi/BMW.

      I'm a truck guy too which is worse. I priced out a truck that I considered minimum requirement and it was over 50k, closer to 60k with the stuff I actually wanted. The prices on American cars are ridiculous. On the other hand, Japanese vehicles seem to be priced more competitively. They used to be a hell of a lot cheaper but ever since Toyota got the reputation for being crazy reliable the prices sky rocketed.

      The Union issue in the US is one of corruption. American Unions are beyond corrupt. The Union execs are constantly under scrutiny for corruption charges, never mind the history of Mob involvement with them. This all leads to added manufacturing costs. There's a reason Pinto's arent built anymore. Its not because they are ugly as fuck it's because they cant make any money of them. SUV's have flooded the market for two reasons, they have huge profit margins and they sell like hot cakes. The age of the 3-15k car in the US is dead and gone.

  37. about about going some where with poor coverage by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    about about going some where with poor coverage and or a place to loud to hear the phone.

    1. Re:about about going some where with poor coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      about about going some where with poor coverage and or a place to loud to hear the phone.

      What an excellent suggestion, Joe Dwaggon, I can see the myriad benefits of physically going outside of coverage or somewhere you'd need earplugs over the extreme inconvenience of muting the ringer or turning the phone off.

    2. Re:about about going some where with poor coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not a team player, then. No bonus or promotion for you. And when the layoffs come, guess whose name is at the top of the list, Joe?

    3. Re:about about going some where with poor coverage by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      and then I will have you sign a piece of paper saying that I'm not responsible for any thing that fails and so when who ever you find to replace me messes up and you have to call be that will be $50 an hour.

  38. Just Say No by laughingcoyote · · Score: 2

    I've made it exceptionally clear that I am not available 24x7. If my boss would like me to be on call for some period, I'm willing to discuss that, but it needs to be arranged in advance for a clear time period.

    If some communication is coming in for work right now, I don't even know about it and I'll handle it on Tuesday, given the 3-day weekend. Weekends are not "extra work days", they are my time to relax, unwind, and come back to the office ready to do a much better job than if I were constantly tired, fatigued, and burnt out. Ultimately, that benefits my employer, too.

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    1. Re:Just Say No by Spectra72 · · Score: 1

      Bingo. I'm not unreasonable to requests to cover something on a weekend or holiday. Just give me a reasonable heads up that that's the expectation. I'm on salary so we don't even have to talk about OT.

      But once the issue is resolved, don't expect to see me in the office for a couple of days as I take a vacation that I'm not putting on the books.

      My boss is fine with that.

  39. You're still in control by theRunicBard · · Score: 1

    At the end of the day, if you can't turn off your phone, it's your fault. If you have a job that's so miserable that you'd be better off not thinking about it, that's your fault too. If you can't finish your work fast enough to go home and enjoy time with your family / relax, totally your fault. People like to blame society for their own faults. Go to work, finish your work, go home, have fun, enjoy the weekend. It's pretty simple you guys.

    1. Re:You're still in control by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      It's also partially the fault of other people that can't do those things. If Joe is getting x amount of work done because he's working when he's suppose to be off too, then they expect Bob to do the same amount of work.

    2. Re:You're still in control by theRunicBard · · Score: 1

      In my experience (and admittedly one data point isn't worth much) you're just gonna miss out on a fruit basket. See if I care.

  40. Working for tips? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this "without compensation?" You are doing a job and getting paid. Do you argue that "I don't get paid extra to not make mistakes or be on time?"

    You may or may not want a high stress/value/paying job. There are tradeoffs.

    Before smartphones there was voicemail. Before that ambitious people spent 60 hours a week at the office instead of 40 at office and 20 at home.

    1. Re:Working for tips? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      What is meant is that they are paid the same as someone that DOESN'T check their smartphone all day when off work. I.e. someone is working 40 hours and being paid the same as someone that is working 60 hours, in the office or at home.

  41. 3 day weekend by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Not everybody works Monday to Friday
    (or 9 to 5 for that matter)

    I have a 3 night weekend (I work nights) every 2 weeks. (Friday, Saturday, Sunday nights)
    But then I have to work the other weekend.

    Statutory holidays don't make any difference, I work every Monday (and Wednesday)
    I get alternate Tuesdays and Thursdays off. (Total 72 hrs every fortnight)

  42. What about employers who make it work well? by N1zaam · · Score: 1

    I am part of a large telco (13k+ employees). I work from home, have a Blackberry and check my email religiously. I am not penalized for turning the BB off for the weekend if need be however, putting out that fire on Sat means my Monday is free for drinks on the patio. I prefer to manage my own time and not have weekends forced upon me.

    I am not required to work on a weekend and there is no expectation to do so. But taking care of something when I have free time almost always means I can make that time up later. I have been in this role several years now and I feel my employer has consistently supported a good work/life balance.

    Granted, that is probably the exception. Not the rule.

    1. Re:What about employers who make it work well? by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that, I wouldn't have imagined it possible with such a large company. I'm in NZ and here 13k employees is a gigantic quantity, our largest employer (as I understand it) has 18k on payroll. We still have our share of employment relations issues of course. I'm also surprised because telcos usually have a bad rep for employee (and customer) relations. Have you just happened across a great boss or is this attitude prevalent where you work?

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    2. Re:What about employers who make it work well? by N1zaam · · Score: 1

      This is in Canada :)

      I work with project managers and business analysts across our company who work the same way. Employee engagement is measured by a third party yearly and is tied into our executive leadership teams performance metrics. Also my performance bonus is tied in part to our customers likelihood to recommend our services to their friends and family.

      This may be an isolated case, but it's proof that you can have a large faceless corporation bent on market domination and still have a great working environment.

  43. So strange... by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being a little older its interesting to see the arc of human behavior. Younger people don't question the way it is, it's just the way it is and they rationalize why it's that way and they thing it's normal, even good. There was a time when people actually mattered as people and not interchangeable widgets in a service based industrial engine that consumes people in precisely the same way it consumes paper or water or raw materials.

    When people mattered, their human needs mattered. How the company was loyal to the employee just the way an employee was supposed to be loyal to a company. My Father worked for the same company for 30 years and got a generous retirement from them. Today the shrinking bone and the increasing number of ever hungrier dogs forces us to be happy to give away all our human time, with our families, with our interests and personal joys and passions, or we are forced to do work that leads to living a life that is hungry and wanting.

    The problem isn't and can't be cell phones. It is a ceaselessly ravenous industry that wants all of you, and when it is done will spit you out sans vital juice. The future bodes that human labor is coming to an end. But the industries are the only recipient of the changing world. We must begin to look at how we will deal with a human population that no longer can compete in the market place with robot labor Or society itself will unravel.

    1. Re:So strange... by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      There was a time when people actually mattered as people and not interchangeable widgets in a service based industrial engine that consumes people in precisely the same way it consumes paper or water or raw materials.

      Would this have been when they had children working in coal mines, or when you couldn't get paid in anything but company scrip? The good old days really weren't, but that doesn't mean there aren't people working diligently to bring them back.

    2. Re:So strange... by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      Actually that was before that time. The days of company scrip were the first days when companies considered workers an interchangeable commodity to be used up and replaced. Then government regulation came in and forced companies to treat workers decently and provide certain benefits. That forced companies to change, because the best way to recover the cost of investing in an employee became to keep that employee for a long time. Give them time to learn, become more productive, contribute value that came only with accumulated experience. Like the shift foreman who knows all the tricks because he's worked all the jobs, who can bring new workers up to speed in half the time and whose shift is half again as productive because he knows what to do to stop problems from happening in the first place. Or the general manager who's been with the company for 30 years, knows every department inside and out, can spot problems starting and head them off while they're still minor.

      But then along came the MBAs, whose religion is that companies exist only to make money, not to operate a business. And now we're heading back to the bad old days. The only problem for the MBAs is that the first time around the jobs were manufacturing and the cost of going off on your own was high. Now the jobs are information and services, you don't need a large physical plant, you don't need a large number of employees, and you mostly don't even need to be physically present. Or they're jobs where the MBAs can't get a foothold. Think your local mechanic or plumber.

    3. Re:So strange... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Well, even when I was younger this sort of stuff never happened, and I was actually in IT then. The thing was though that I was with a defense contractor and you had time cards (even if salaried). So if they ever had a need for you to work on the weekend you were given that time off on a later date. Now you could work late if you wanted to (no overtime and such) but it was voluntary and it never lasted and became a habit.

      Even my friends at other companies were very similar, even with the lack of time cards. It really is a new phenomena where the kids think they're required to work 60+ hours a week.

  44. Antiannoyance App by Roachie · · Score: 2

    My smartphone came with an app called "Power Off" that I find to be 100% effective in preventing work interruptions of my personal life. The only catch is that it seems to require a reboot to turn the app off. However this is a small price to pay.

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    This sig is not paradoxical or ironic.
  45. Justice = my boss + razor encrusted dildo. by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    I have blocking software and use it. There are four people on this earth who can call me during vacation or holiday who can get past my shields. Not even POTUS can get my fucking phone to ring.

    Yea right fire me you fucking marionette.

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    I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
  46. Re:unions? thats tantamount to killing all the jew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I demand cheese made with the feces of only healthy dragons!

  47. digital vacation one day a week by peter303 · · Score: 1

    No internet, email or smartphone. I'm usuualy outdoors doing something.

  48. I always think of it as the opposite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being able to be connect doesn't mean the end of the three day weekend. It gives you the flexibility to connect where and when you want and how you want. The idea of vacations taking place in a digital monastery is crazy.

    In my parent's day sometimes, you couldn't take a vacation because you were waiting on a mailed response to proposal. Which would need to be responded to immediately, and you couldn't do that without being in the office.

    Today, you can take your vacation any time. If an emergency arises you deal with it, and go back to your vacation. Using the example above you get the e-mail, read it over and send on to the correct people with your comments. Vacation still goes on.

  49. Where's my smartphone? by VoiceOfSanity · · Score: 1

    Unlike many folks, my workphone is sitting on a table some distance away from my personal computer. It sits there quietly, and I ignore any of the bloops that come from it when mail arrives. The only times I pay attention to it is either if there's a EAM (Emergency Action Message) or if it's a phone call from one of my three executives I support 24/7. But since they're engineering-type folks, I rarely get bothered by them on the weekends or holidays, so the phone sits there. As for my work-issued laptop, it sits at work, the only times I'll bring it home is if there is an absolute need for me to support folks (usually over an extended holiday, and even then it may be just one call at most.)

    The same is true for my personal cellphone. Yes, if it's from one of the two people who have my number (good friends) then I'll reply, otherwise I ignore the phone. When I'm at home, I don't care to deal with work issues, this is the time where I relax from work and enjoy some quiet time. As for vacation, *nothing* from work is brought with me, and the rule of thumb is that the building had better be burning down and I don't smell smoke, so it has to be that level of importance before I'll answer the phone.

    I work for a very large company, so when it comes to vacation time, the management wants you to use it. They at least recognize the value of an employee who is rested and relaxed, although I often see management taking their work equipment with them on vacations. If that's what they want to do, that's fine... just understand that when I have my time off, it's *MY* time off, and I am going to savor it.

    1. Re:Where's my smartphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a very large company, so when it comes to vacation time, the management wants you to use it. They at least recognize the value of an employee who is rested and relaxed, although I often see management taking their work equipment with them on vacations. If that's what they want to do, that's fine... just understand that when I have my time off, it's *MY* time off, and I am going to savor it.

      This is exactly why I left my last job, the only time i had a full, uninterrupted vacation, was the first vacation I took. Upon my return to work, I was told that I wasn't allowed to turn my phone off (and *had* to answer it if it rings) while I was on vacation. I received at least 1 call every vacation from then until turning in my notice. This was also, a large, 13k+ employee company....

    2. Re:Where's my smartphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeh, got this from my old manager, spent 4 weeks overseas left my phone at home.
      Got blasted for it, and not checking my work email
      Obviously he had't checked their e-mail - last email I sent before leaving was an "in a genuine emergency?" email, which basically said:
      "Is it really an emergency or just a squeaky wheel client? if a squeaky wheel go through job ticket notes and pickup from where I left off, if an emergency check with these other people in other departments who do essentially the same thing as me and have the same rights to the backup server, if they are not in then here is a temp webmail address that I will check once every day or two, it's for family and for people I'm organising to meet while away but will try give advice to help you resolve any server issues while I'm away"
      unfortunately my new manager is even worse, he sat in cafe overseas for almost a month while on holidays trying to micromanage us with emails and job tickets, it got so bad that near the end the acting manager had his VPN, email and helpdesk accounts suspended until he got back. But even now he insists that we are available 24/7 even when on leave. As no one respects his authority (and corporate HR wouldn't stand by him if he tried to officially enforce it) we all just gave him lip service and then turn our phones off when we go on holidays

  50. Right on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well said. There are other ways they gain productivity/wealth from us. When they lower wages, they put the burden on tax payers to help people survive while at the same time they pay less taxes, so the burden is shifted to the dwindling middle class and fellow working poor who are all making less.

    Technology has given companies a way to steal your time away from work. The first way is the obvious, mentioned here. The other is through what we do online, such as liking something, sharing and organizing content, creating free content for websites who make money from the content we provide and the ads. There's a reason Facebook is trying to get people to share as much about their viewing and listening habits as possible, and that's not to benefit your social life. Everything about your life can be turned to profit, and the more they keep you busy sharing that info with them, the more money they make off of your time without you getting a penny. Yes, developers need to make money, but the money that is made from this is more concentrated towards the top and it distorts the supposed purpose of the websites. A social networking site that really isn't interested at all in helping you socialize with your friends (offline). And the money you help them make with your free time activities goes to great things like helping get a tar sounds pipeline through the US and getting cheap, exploitable labor from outside the US into the US to drive your wages down (see Zuckerberg).

  51. Supernormal Stimuli & the Pleasure Trap by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/B0057DC3VY
    http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article16.aspx

    Which agree with your point and then go beyond it... People become "neuroadapted" to the new level of stimulation and have as much pleasure as before, except they tend to have negative health effects of a diversity of things they need for true health.

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  52. what the ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the labor market really that bad over the pond?
    Heck, the only cell phone I have is the one payed for by my employer, but the only email access I bothered to set up on it, is access to my private gmail accounts. Why on earth would I want to check my email account at work past the business hours or even during weekend? I've got better things to do. Is it 6 PM or later ? Don't even bother calling me. I'll get to you during the next workday.

    1. Re:what the ... by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes it is.

      Add in off-shored/outsourced manufacturing and support, H1Bs, and the loss of, by some estimates, roughly 30% of the manufacturing and some of the other jobs remaining due to robotics and automation.... There are exceptions in some sectors and geographic areas, but for employers across-the-board it's mostly a sellers' market. Especially at the lower end, where people are cheap and easily made, and on up, even given the rise in minimum wage, there's been a downward shift in wage structure in relation to purchasing power even when, overall, taxes are lower compared to twenty and fifty years ago. And even with a smaller percentage of tax payers paying a larger portion of total taxes their net is often higher than before.

      Fun times. Please do come visit, for the charm of it.

  53. If you work in a service industry... by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

    .... chances are you're working on Memorial Day, because 1. you don't get holidays, only paid compensation, and 2. You've been asked to put in extra time. These tendencies are totally independent on the prevalence of smartphones.

  54. My boss knows not to expect me to, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Luckily I have a job that can only been done on site. And I never check email at home. Heck when I'm at work I fire up Outlook maybe every 3 months, just to promptly delete everything. I don't read that shit, I'm only logged on to print out my time sheets 3 months in advance. If anyone needs to know anything important from me, they can call the room phone, or come talk to me in person. I don't respond to pages either.

    When I'm sleeping, the ringer is OFF. Actually it's on DO NOT DISTURB mode, and the only person who can get through is my GF.

  55. Why the hell... by __Paul__ · · Score: 1

    ...would you work weekends without getting paid?

    Employers don't say to computer manufacturers, "We want seven PCs, but we're only going to pay you for five", so why would you let them do this with your labour?

    Weekends are your free time. You never get this back. If your employer wants you to work on a weekend, tell them to pay you.

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    1. Re:Why the hell... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      many do: some of us get very good salaries for all the extra bother of an IT job.

      and let's not forget those rights the unions fought for 100 years ago was for very hard manual labor. most of us sit on our butts pushing buttons staring at a screen, not exactly Sinclair's "the Jungle"

  56. Re:unions? thats tantamount to killing all the jew by BonThomme · · Score: 2

    "socialist atheist muslim communist agenda"

    TFTFY

  57. highly illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internships are meant to benefit the student by teaching them real world knowledge that academics can't impart. Being a source of free labor is not the purpose. It's actually state law. Any deviation from this IS illegal, and can result in penalties.

  58. averages and spread by marxzed · · Score: 1

    guess there must be people who check their phone every minute (or more) to make up for people like me who turn our phone off when we're relaxing on a holiday. mines plugged in and charging but on airplane mode right now and will stay there for the rest of the day as I go out for lunch (may as well the restaurant I'm going to is in a rural area with no phone reception (at least not for my carrier))

  59. One could always... by msobkow · · Score: 1

    One could always just shut it off!

    Seriously. If you're at home, why do you need to play with a smartphone?

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    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  60. Re:unions? thats tantamount to killing all the jew by Libertarian001 · · Score: 1

    Tell me more! I'll just grab some Twinkies first and... oh... wait...

    As always, the happiness is in the middle ground.

  61. Nobody took anything by PotatoHead · · Score: 1

    The solution to checking work on weekends is to focus on your weekend.

    Sure, there is almost always something. Where a group or person is fully utilized, there always is.

    "No problem, I can get on that first thing Tuesday AM, have a great holiday weekend --I'm going camping, yeah no service up there, see you Tuesday..."

  62. eMailed once, never called - the way it should be! by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    My manager has my personal email address (I have hers). She has used it once: on the final day of a holiday last year she emailed to tell me that the office was shut to non-essential staff due to a problem with the water supply. That's the way it should be! She also has my mobile phone number, but she's never called it.

    When and where are you hiring? ;-)

  63. Disconnected Work Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in Social Services (which is much slower to adopt technology than most fields). There is tons of volatility, because I work with chronic medical conditions, addiction, and mental health issues. I am not required to answer phone calls on weekends, and can be written up for responding to any e-mail. In my job, people die, get terribly sick, go into hospitals, building fires, become homeless (usually not over a single weekend though). It all waits until Monday. ALL of the clients are informed sorry, we don't answer calls after 5pm Friday and won't respond until 8 Monday. In fact, I don't get a work cell phone, and my personal phone can NEVER be given out (Or I'll be written up). There are other organizations out there who have individuals who work 24/7 or have on call schedules. In fact, in my building you cannot stay past 5:30pm any day of the week, unless you are upper management. They kick everybody out and tell them to GO HOME. Work is too stressful to keep doing it.

    There is always work to do- I could work 80 hour weeks and not accomplish everything I'd like. But my job culture says that it is okay to go home, rest and come back Monday. Find a job culture that is right for you.

  64. I go a step further - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I off? Then so is my phone. I am not a neurosurgeon, a cop, a firefighter, etc., my job does not have 'emergencies'. So whatever happens, I'll find out when next I need to know: Monday morning. I don't even let it potentially interfere with how well I sleep Sunday night/Monday morning. As I leave work, I shut off my phone. Monday morning, AFTER taking a shit, THEN I turn the phone on. As I get dressed for work, that's the moment when I return to work mode, and I'll listen to whatever frantic voicemails might have been left to me over the weekend. But it's my phone, so if someone sounds pissed-off, I just delete it. ("Didn't you listen to your voicemail?!?!" No, didn't get it. Are you sure you called the right number?) Even if the company I work for has ceased to exist, or if I have been laid off, I'll find out Monday morning. It's not like I can do anything about it (or need to,) Saturday, or Sunday, so...

    If you think, "Glad you don't work for me, because what if I need you Saturday? As your boss, I own your ass 24/7." and to this I respond that I'm a better worker when you expect me to work, M-F, because I'm properly rested S&S and not getting ready to have a case of burnout from stress, overwork, etc., by being in work-mode 7 days a week. Also, I'm no slave, so fuck you, you don't own my ass at all, and sure as hell not during those hours you're not paying me, punkass bitchass motherfucker.

    People have forgotten how the hell to relax anymore, and mark my words, it will take its toll. It already has, I think, but it may not be obvious yet. As this gets worse, as time goes on, people will see a decline in their general health, etc., and much of it is tied to the fact that a lot of peoples' sphincters are perpetually clenched, and you need to be able to relax your sphincters to, (for example,) take a shit, to come, etc. The upshot is that you have a lot of people who are dangerously full of shit, and who haven't come in years, and that's dangerous because when they explode, (and they do from time to time,) it's going to be sticky, messy, smelly, and really just plain gross. Also, I'm not cleaning it up. Those Boston Marathon bombers, for example... if they weren't full of shit and unexpended, rotting semen, do really think they would have done what they did?

    So relax, people. Take a good shit, smoke a blunt if you must, and for God's sake... get laid. Live longer, healthier, more fulfilled lives, people. Your innards will thank you.

  65. OK Glass... by sanman2 · · Score: 1

    Show me pictures of the beach while I'm sitting in an office meeting.

    Show me messages from the office while I'm lying on the beach

  66. Re:eMailed once, never called - the way it should by xaxa · · Score: 1

    When and where are you hiring? ;-)

    Hopefully at some point by mid summer. In London.

    The salary is a bit low for London, but I prefer having 30+ days annual leave, no stress and a clear conscience to a job in a bank.

  67. Re:eMailed once, never called - the way it should by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you hire immigrants? I am looking to get out of the US again.

  68. Re:eMailed once, never called - the way it should by xaxa · · Score: 1

    Do you hire immigrants? I am looking to get out of the US again.

    Not often, I think it would be difficult. The government is the employer (indirectly).

    "For the year from 6 April 2013 to 5 April 2014, a maximum of 20,700 skilled workers can come to the UK under Tier 2 (General) to do jobs with an annual salary below £152,100." -- which probably means it's not easy to come anyway. (This has recently changed. We used to let in as many skilled workers as could get jobs.)

  69. Move to Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same here in Belgium,

    I work for a tech company also and while you are expected to check your emails sunday evening (to react to possible 'situations' taking place at weekends), no one is expected to be available in weekends and if anyone is asked to respond to emergencies, they will be properly recompensed by overtime bonusses and an extra day of vacation time.
    It is simply considered 'not done' to take away your employees' free time like that.
    I've worked for several tech companies over the years and I have never had my boss expecting me to work for free, or be available during weekends and I don't think many people here would consider that acceptable (managers as well as employees).
    It must be a different management ethic over there, but doesn't it poison the atmosphere at the workplace ?

  70. Re:unions? thats tantamount to killing all the jew by coinreturn · · Score: 1

    dont you know? unions are only on this earth to promote the obama socialist muslim communist agenda to abort our children and fill our cheese with unhealthy dragon feces.

    ...and force us to gay marry.

  71. It's your own fault ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Even for those of us who don't have any work to do over the weekend, we'll probably end up reading all of our work-related emails as they roll in,

    So ... since it's your personal smart phone (work-issued ones are a different question), at some point between you taking it out of it's box, and you "reading work-related emails as they roll in", someone spent some time configuring the smart phone to access the relevant servers, using your user name and password (or whatever other system). So, at some point, you have collaborated in this circumstance.

    I tried that, 2 or 3 smart phones back ; since our work email solution has no option but to use a webmail interface (on those rare occasions when I'm in the same country as the office, or when at work anywhere in the world), it was unusable - as most desktop-targeted websites are on smart phones. So I haven't attempted since. If Work need to get a message to me, they have my (work) email address for when I'm at work, and they've got my mobile phone number for emergencies.

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