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Richard III Suffered an Ignominious Burial, Researchers Find
An anonymous reader writes "Richard III may have been the King of England and the subject of a Shakespearean play, but even that couldn't keep him safe from ending up in a hastily-dug grave that ultimately became part of a parking lot, according to a new study published in the journal Antiquity."
This was news a while ago.
buried under a stone or not : doesn't matter, unless he was a zombie and able dig himself out of a heap of sand.
Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
FTA:
the late king’s body was reportedly stripped naked, despoiled and publicly displayed for three days before it was buried
. . . and someone was in a rush to get what was left of him underground . . . lest his remains doth starteth to again walk . . .
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Your "dupe" has no information about the conditions of his burial, which is the main point of this May 25th article.
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
ignominious?
I can imagine lots of other burial places that would be less famous or reputable than a parking lot.
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"Suffered"? I am fairly sure that didn't cause any pain, physical or emotional.
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A hearse, a hearse, my kingdom for a hearse.
Imperious Richard, dead and turned to clay,
Might stop a hole to keep a tire from flaying.
Oh, that that earth, which kept the world in awe,
Should patch a park t' allow the traffic’s flow!
Those readers who don't RTFA are doomed to make themselves look silly.
Two different articles two different topics in the articles, one a press release that the DNA matched and that it was Richard the 3rd, the new one on how he was buried in the grave.
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No. It took researchers months to write an article, get it proof-read, submitted to a journal, peer-reviewed and finally published in the journal.
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Um, Richard III died in 1495 while Shakespeare was writing plays (like, you know, "Richard III") around 1592 - a hundred years later.
So how was Richard's burial going to be affected by a play that hadn't yet been written, and which wasn't going to be written for another 100 years?
Do you think the early Tudors might have thought, with a little effort: "Oh look! Some playwright will write about this dead king in a hundred years, and the dead king and the playwright will still be famous in 500 years time, so we had better bury this dead king properly."
I am anarch of all I survey.
Remember that the new King, Henry Tudor, hereafter referred to as that Evil Bastard Henry VII (EBH7) dated his accession to the throne to the day BEFORE the battle of Bosworth, thus rendering those followers of Richard III who remaied loyal to the end traitors to the crown, and that the turncoats who ensured his victory would make sure they heaped as many indignities in the corpse of their former king as possible to demonstrate their loyalty to EBH7.
Given these circumstances, its entirely reasonable that the interrment of Richard would be done as quickly as possible, at the first opportunity that the body would not be missed. Originally the grave was in the church of the Grey Friars, probably in front of an altar and would have been deep enough not to cause "offence". It may have been hastily prepared and thus not quite the right size for Richard, but rather than indicating that the scenario was "ignominious", it shows that his remaining supporters wanted to bury him in a holy place, away from the vengance of EBH7s new supporters. Given the time constraints and the location, speed would have been of the essence. Just because it wasn't a State Funeral doesn't mean that it would not have been done without reverence. The fact that the site ended up as a car park can be indirectly ascribed to the activities of EBH7s son, Henry VIII who dissolved the monasteries, friaries, etc.
We're lucky that the grave still exists. Part of the foundations of a Victorian brick privy intrude into the burial site, a few feet further and he would have been completely obliterated.
But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking glass;
I, that am rudely stamped and want love’s majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtailed of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinished, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them—
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to see my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity.
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Well, after reviewing the research one question still remains unanswered, did he at least get a good spot in the parking lot?
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I'd take living in this modern life as a 'peon' any day over being any royal person in history. We live better than any kings and queens of yore. We have modern plumbing and sanitation instead of having to defecate into holes, and nothing beats a hot shower on demand. In the 1400's the average english person took a bath every 7 years, the world was filled with dirty smelly people. Heat and air conditioning on demand, not cold castle walls. We can get to anyplace in the world in a matter of hours, not yearlong odyessee's. Only royalty got to wear the color purple, today we have the full spectrum of color available. Disease and plagues are not something to be feared as back then, healthcare today is top-notch. And all the world's knowledge is all available on your portable phone, there's no need to live in ignorance provided by royal magical wisemen. We live better and longer than kings and queens of history ever did. This story, repeat though it is here, reminds me to be grateful for the marvelous lives we lead today, the best time in all of history to be alive.
Yes, but I've already seen the show twice on cable tv. It is not news.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Even kings start to smell bad after a couple of days.
Just dig a hole and drop him in it, he's putting me off my eel pie...
No sig today...
He ought to be placed in a public urinal and left there to fucking well rot!
Air freshener?
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Sure. I performed an experiment called Read The Fucking Article (RTFA), which yielded this curious observation:
It was found approximately 73 mm from the entrance to TFA, not very far in. Note the use of the phrase "First of all", which provides supporting evidence that it was near the entrance.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
And towards the end of the article were links for further studies, like "Eel Shoved Up Man's Anus Eats Its Way Through His Intestines", but I'm not doing any more of your homework, and you'll just have to click on them yourself, good sir.
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Are you kind of stupid? Every job is pretty easy to trivialize.
it took tens of thousands of developers 20 years to make 15million lines of code? That's 2 lines per day per developer!
no shit, it took you eight hours to type 2 lines?
*( http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/16/linux-kernel-development-numbers/ )
Grain bames . How many times is 'Ignominious' spoken each day in the ghetto? [etc]
FTFY
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I went to middle school in the middle ages, you insensitive clod!
Now get thee hence and tread not upon mine herbery.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Blackadder wasn't anywhere near the king when it happened.
"You don't get it, this dupe is here on purpose. Repetition is the mother of learning. What did we learn from this?"
The real lesson we can learn from King Richard III's life is don't piss off the French, or else you'll end up buried under some parking lot.
Repetition is the mother of learning.
So says the man who comes here to repeat his religious mantras. But what have you taught anyone with your actions? Only that repetition does not make fact.
Even the shallow grave part isn't THAT straight forward. The depth of the ground is relative to surface level. And the surface level of 500 years ago is probably not the same as the surface level of the 20th century car park.
If the 500 years ago surface layer is still there, and other layers just piled on top then not too difficult. But what things have been disturbed more than that? What if the 500 years ago surface level isn't there any more?
I felt like that futilely searching downtown for one yesterday. No parking restrictions on Sundays, so its impossible to find anything.
For the most part classical graves were plundered during the dark times. Although they had longer to decay, that is not as big a factor. Christian graveyards are still somewhat respected. I remember reading about Alexanders body drug around the classical world for half a millennia until it was lost.
There would have been no Tudor England, House of Windsor, Henry VIII, and the schism from the Holy Roman Catholic Church. That would mean no George III who was King at the time of the American Revolution. Maybe New York would be an English City.
Richard was, by surviving contemporary evidence a pretty good guy as monarchs of time go. He modified laws and the legal system to provide justice for the lower class citizens. The Tudors had every reason to fear his memory and smear it. During the early period of Tudor reign, saying something good about the Plantagenets, especially Richard would have been the equivalent of talking about how good the Czar had been during the rule of Stalin.
I'll bet that article would get more hits. We've not previously discussed the vicissitudes of anal Anguilliformes.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
windsor is a made up bullshit name, George the V of the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha pulled it out of his ass in 1917.
It's not the shallowness aspect that I found interesting. I wonder how they know how big the grave was in the other dimensions? Surely after 500 years the soil would have become homogenous. I'm assuming the same soil that was dug for the grave was put back in.
In all cases it seems like good detective work to me.
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What else would you expect from such a misshapen man who can't even enjoy the lascivious pleasing of a loot!
I can imagine lots of other burial places that would be less famous or reputable than a parking lot.
It's lucky the land is a car park (only a small one, for an office). It's surrounded on all sides by 19th century buildings in the centre of Leicester.
Just west of the three white vans
and put up a parking lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bdMSCdw20
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Presumably the bones were in some foetal like clump, rather than laid out full length.
Actually undisturbed soil retains its structure pretty well, and soil disturbed by burrowers like earthworms and moles only slightly less well. After the first six inches the ground remains pretty much untouched by anything but roots (which are transient and obvious phenomena) for thousands to millions of years. I've personally been to archeological excavations where you can clearly see the individual shovel and pick marks from a thousand or more years ago. The Burgess Shale shows silt layers from individual rainstorms 520 million years ago.
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"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
I think it was more of a "the best we can do is get you buried in an unmarked grave so it won't be desecrated" kind of burial, myself.
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
Anyone else thing it EXTREMELY convenient that they found a living relative to the body they pulled out of the ground? I've a sister who does the genealogy for our family, and she's gone back to the late 18th century. Middle ages = no censuses, no births/deaths/marriages columns ... and the occasional child out of wedlock. So how the heck did they go back to the middle ages for a carpenter living in London?
And also - modern analysis of the Richard III painting that's contemporary show it to have been 'retouched', to add in the 'hump'. And yet the body found has a hump. http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw05304/King-Richard-III?LinkID=mp03765&role=sit&rNo=1
And then there's other accounts that say Richard's bones were tossed into the local river. So if that happened, someone dragged him out, rearranged them, got permission to bury them in the church.... Sorry, can't find the link. All sites seem to have been redacted.
I call nonsense on the whole thing. Leicester tourist office has a lot to answer!
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
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Yeah, you're right. That's why Americans celebrate sort of some day round the end of June, or is it a bit later?
Medieval history's one of my hobbies, WotR in particular. You might want to check what Richard III's badge was, or look up the scene where he's wooing Anne Neville to. Plus in Britain, it's a key date because it's conventionally regarded as the end of the medieval period[1] whereas most of Europe uses the fall of Constantinople.
Also, I happened to fail my driving test on that date, but not due to a horse.
So I'd ask for a refund on that Ronco internet-mindread-o-matic if I were you.
[1] Arbitrary though such things are. Many European countries use the fall of Constantinople.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
There must be a rapper with that name somewhere, though he probably spells it with at least one "a".
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."