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Chinese Hackers Steal Top US Weapons Designs
n1ywb writes "Chinese hackers have gained access to the designs of many of the nation's most sensitive advanced weapons systems, according to a report prepared for the Defense Department and government and defense industry officials,The Washington Post reported Tuesday. The compromised weapons designs include, among others, the advanced Patriot missile system, the Navy's Aegis ballistic missile defense systems, the F/A-18 fighter jet, the V-22 Osprey, the Black Hawk helicopter and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter." Also (with some more details and news-report round-up) at SlashBI.
Why is information like this on computers that are connected to the internet?
heh. heh.
I hope this opens people's eyes... The Chinese are NOT our allies, and it has been this way for years. Goes to show that the large corporations have more power in this country than the gubbmint and sheeple combined.
What moron thought to himself that having sensitive blue prints to highly classified military equipment was best stored on a computer with Internet access?
The designs are in English.
now let them build what's in those plans, and go into perpetual national debt, crippling their economy, too!
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Now the Chinese government too can sink untold amounts of money on ultra-expensive gear? :P
Not only that, but the plans call for Made In America(TM) parts, so this will boost the US economy.
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China can steal all the designs they want, but without successfully implementing the designs, I'm honestly not that concerned. In the 1970s, China managed to kludge together a weak clone of Boeing's 20+-year-old 707, powered by what are believed to have been spare 707 engines. If you think China can manage to cobble together some F-35s that will be worth the effort, or some F/A-18s that can match US spec, you need to understand that it's easier and probably more cost-effective to place orders with Sukhoi Design Bureau for something that actually works than it is to duplicate the processes needed to actually create the American aircraft mentioned above.
China doesn't have the best track record in building designs stolen aerospace designs from other countries, and has found better success in getting people to willingly hand them the capabilities and processes. China's MD-80 license production and the assistance they got from McDonnell-Douglas is the biggest factor in their current aerospace pushes being at least semi-feasible.
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This is all a conspiracy by the US government. They *say* they got hacked and the designs got stolen, but we all know that sneakilly they've just given them all to the Chinese.
The reason for this is of course obvious: The Chinese can make these things much cheaper! So it's all about savings!
(If you think this might be something with tongues and cheeks, you might possibly be somewhat right)
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So here's a question: What if the leaking of these designs was intentional? There could be several motivations for doing this. One, maybe these aren't the actual designs and they are flawed in some subtle yet crucial way or perhaps multiple ways. Two, they aren't the actual designs but the goal was to lure the hackers in to determine their methods. Or three, that some peacenik thought that it was unfair that the US has all the cool toys and are attempting to achieve whirled peas by way of leveling the playing field.
So how was the Washington Post able to get a copy of the Confidential report from the Defense Science Board?
. . . the Justice Department will obtain all the phone records and emails from Washington Post employees to find out . . .
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Now, put some new plans on the cracked network titled 'Top Secret: Strategic F17A Propulsion Update.doc' in which the engines are installed backwards, right in line with the fuel tanks. Wait for youtube vids.
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Patriot Missile: In service since 1981
Aegis: In development since the 1980s, first test 1999
F/A-18: Introduced in service in 1983
V-22:First flew in 1989, entered service 2007, was unreliable for several years after that. It took us over 20 years to fully develop it
Black Hawk: Introduced 1979
F-35: An expensive piece of crap that can do a lot of different things not so well (a couple gems from a 2011 Pentagon study: The fuel dump subsystem poses a fire hazard, The airframe is unlikely to last through the required lifespan, The aircraft is in danger of going overweight or, for the F-35B, not properly balanced for VTOL operations, There are multiple thermal management problems. The air conditioner fails to keep the pilot and controls cool enough, the roll posts on the F-35B overheat, and using the afterburner damages the aircraft.) Would be a waste of money to try and reproduce.
I am 26 years old, and most of these systems were in development or introduced before I was born. The 2 most recent technologies have been fraught with problems in development, production, and deployment. Maybe they should just go ahead and give the Chinese the F-22 plans as well, so half of their pilots will asphyxiate. I'm not worried about the Chinese gaining access to equipment that has been in use for decades: once something is out in the open and being used in combat/training operations, their capabilities are easily discerned and easy to copy. I would be more concerned if they got access to anything in development that we don't know about, the stuff the government is working on that they haven't revealed.
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If you keep on losing the design drawings, then no wonder they're running into delays! They really should be keeping copies of them, so in case someone steals the originals, they don't have to draw them all over again.
Big companies tend to misclassify IT as a cost center, and apply brilliant programs like Six Sigma and Virtual Workforces to cut expenses. I've seen plenty of dangerously unqualified people assigned to set firewall and router rules on networks that contain corporate crown jewels, or open NAT paths to offshore contracting houses brought in to help make a schedule after attrition and 'rightsizing' have made it impossible to stick to the schedule handed down from above.
In the old days this stuff would be kept on airgapped networks. Today we have 'globalized workforces' and companies are run by MBAs who don't really understand or care about things the military does. Patriotism? Doesn't appear in my mission statement...
Posted as AC as I work for a figurehead of this problem, and waste time keeping networks I'm responsible for clear of the APTs I see continually from other parts of the companies network that NOBODY wants to talk about. You can get fired for pointing out they've cut the budgets too far. So frustrating...
These plans are littered all over the world. Every supplier of even a single part has lots of specifications and details of parts they have to interact with on their systems. If you hack just a few of those, you essentially get all the plans you need to build your own, or to find the weak spots in the design and adapt your own weapons on that. DOD may not have these plans on computers that are connected to the internet, but most suppliers do. It's a public secret these are the companies that get hacked and that is the way the plans get leaked or stolen.
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while other agencies are struggling to react to the sequester, the pentagon has clearly seen the benefit of using sensationalism, fear, uncertainty, and doubt to secure its funding.
the DoD keeps the red-menace ready to repackage and sell at a moments notice for good reason. Recently the president vocally and publically criticized the 'war on terror' and his intent to close guantanamo bay. for whatever thats worth to us its apparently enough to get the DoD to shuffle aside its 'terrorist' brand for a 'communist' model in the congressional windowsill. add a dash of "cyber" and a pinch of "hacker" and bobs your uncle, bills start to de-emphasize defence cuts a little more each week.
to dial back the crazy just a bit on this article its worth putting our interation with the chinese into perspective. we've schitzophrenically insisted china is both a major international trade partner as well as some sort of enemy communist nation. we're more than willing to buy practically every major modern convenience from toothpaste to cellphones without a concern for safety or security, however strangely enough we're also willing to denigrate and lambast the country on everything from civil rights, to working conditions. We are a walking contradiction of 80's cold war rhetoric and modern day milton friedman hand-over-fist greed that somehow has managed for thirty years to avoid the uncomfortable truth that china is in actuality a capitalist dictatorship.
what the DoD doesnt exactly recommend is the precise thing that would secure us from this manufactured menace: reduce the amount of off-shored and outsourced manufacturing to China.
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I can't help but get an image of the English soldiers in the American Revolution, standing out in the field in ranks, getting shot by George Washingtons troops, thinking, "WTF, man, you're not allowed to hide behind stuff!" Washington thinking, "Well, yeah, but... we're winning."
American diplomats in China saying, "Like, what the fuck, guys? We're not at war, why are you stealing our stuff?" Chinese guy just completely baffled thinking, "Ummm, because we're trying to win? You fuckers have been twisting our nuts in a global economic vise for half a century because you can't get over your own propaganda from the 1950s, and you don't get what we're doing? Idiots."
Strip away the right/wrong of it and just look at the realpolitik, it's kind of funny.
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I can't help but wonder if this is all just disinformation. See, it would be to the U.S's great advantage to let the Chinese steal stuff & make them think that what they're stealing is genuine. Why else would they actually go public about something like this? Why would they want to admit publicly that this was real, when they redact so many less sensitive things in FOIA requests? This is either warmongering or an attempt to convince the spies that something extremely valuable was really stolen, and I highly doubt the U.S. military is interested in going to war against China.
Because the world would be one big radioactive crater if each and every act of espionage was treated as an "ok then war it is" moment.
I have several clients that are architectural firms, and weekly there is a new chinese rootkit trying to get into the system. They bury themselves into AutoCAD files and steal all drawing and design data and send it back to China. It's such a headache.
Sounds like an act of war. Why are we not fighting the Chinese yet?
All countries spy on each other, all the time. If this were considered a valid reason to start a shooting war, the entire planet would be a glowing, smoking crater.
Can't we just have peace? I'm really really tired of having this constant looming cloud of impending war. Is peace really too much to ask for? I understand most countries have political problems, I understand we have economic ones.
But moving into my prime years, and thinking about the long term well being of myself and the ones I love is really causing me to look passed all the details. I couldn't care less if the Chinese have some fancy toys, i couldn't care less if some ass hole across the world beats his chest and threatens the rest of us, I couldn't care less if some ass-backward country doesn't have ALL the human rights the rest of us enjoy. Just leave it alone, and don't involve yourselves with them; to hell with globalization. Quit being patriotic, quit thinking you have to police the world, quit meddling with all of our lives.
You all do realize that if any sort of conflict between two super-powers erupts, the entire world will be severely involved and/or affected? If such a thing happens, we're all royally screwed. There would be no hiding from it, no economic shelter, nothing. Please, think about that the next time you want to "support the troops", or complain about other governments' actions like a lot of people are on this thread. Nip this war-talk in the bud. That applies to the other side as well; it applies to all sides.
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