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BSA Study Demonstrates Open Source's Economic Advantage

jrepin writes "The fundamental premise of the latest Software Alliance study — that licensed, proprietary software is better in many ways than pirated copies — actually applies to open source software even more strongly, with the added virtues that the software is free to try, to use and to modify. That means the potential economic impact of free software is also even greater than that offered by both licensed and unlicensed proprietary software. It's yet another reason for governments around the world to promote the use of open source in their countries by everyone at every level."

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  1. Can't go there by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, just because the message is one that some might like I can't get past the messenger. The BSA has spent decades lying to the public and politicians and using math that would never pass muster in any college in the developed world. They have lost any and all possible credibility they could ever possibly have, especially when it comes to on of their 'reports'.

    I'm sure this will offend a lot of people here that are open source fans who would love to cite this. However I'm not about to become a hypocrite and give them credibility now just because they are saying something more palatable.

    1. Re:Can't go there by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, just because the message is one that some might like I can't get past the messenger.

      In this case, the messenger is someone with degrees in mathematics pointing out how flawed the BSA's figures are. So you might find it interesting to go there.

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    2. Re:Can't go there by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually the article basically says, "The BSA says non-pirated software is better, and Open Source Software isn't pirated, and it costs even less, so Open Source Software is a hell of a lot better!"

    3. Re:Can't go there by frinkster · · Score: 2

      I think in this case, people are pointing out their conclusions also apply to free software.

      I don't believe the BSA is suddenly saying free software is good for the economy, that's someone else's conclusions.

      Software is good for the economy, whether it is free or not. When it comes to businesses (the B in BSA), no software is without cost. Businesses buy support contracts and some may even pay third parties for training. The support contracts in particular pay for a lot of free software development.

  2. Post Facto Economic Impact -- Not Productivity by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Switching to GIMP, my productivity is about to go through the roof!

    It's not about productivity, it's about economic impact. The article is kind of tongue in cheek poking fun of BSA's erroneous numbers manipulation to show that "properly licensed software" contributes oh so much to the economy. For clear reasons, your switch to GIMP from (presumably) a proprietary software alternative wouldn't move you from one column to the other unless you were to somehow pirate GIMP. While pirating GIMP is possible, you'd like just install it legally by downloading it with references to the GPLv3 license. Whether or not you believe it, GIMP with a copy of the GPLv3 is actually properly licensed software -- putting it in the column of the nebulous cloud of software that the BSA claims inflates our world economy to staggering heights.

    To try to quantify the "productivity" of GIMP versus something else like photoshop would likely be subjective, nebulous and not 1 to 1. This isn't about productivity, it's about piracy. The author is pointing out how much of the mad moneys comes from open source software and all but accuses the BSA of co-opting that figure to appear to be their own work.

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    1. Re:Post Facto Economic Impact -- Not Productivity by unixisc · · Score: 2

      How does one pirate something that's already free to start w/? It is legal to download the copy w/o downloading the license as well - the latter only becomes relevant if the downloaded copy is being redistributed or sold.

      I think that the clear challenger to FOSS is pirated proprietary software. Other than that, while people may be willing to pay for something like Windows (who knows for how much longer, though, depending on the availability of Windows 7), not too many would continue forking out cash for MS Office if there are alternatives like Google Office (the LO or OO offices are certainly not ready for most office usage, although they're probably adequate for personal use).

      As far as the advantages of FOSS go, it's mainly one - the TCO. Let's say you are one of those people who had Alphaservers in your company running OVMS - you're either hosed, or at the tender mercies of HP - like being forced to buy Itanic servers. If OTOH the company was running, say, Linux on Itanium, the fact that even Linux companies have dropped Itanic support doesn't hurt, since the company has the source code and can have its IT department maintain that, and even migrate that to something else when the time arrives.

      However, other claimed advantages, such as the 'million pairs of eyes', are just not there, since the only people who audit code are those interested in it in the first place.

    2. Re:Post Facto Economic Impact -- Not Productivity by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      not too many would continue forking out cash for MS Office if there are alternatives like Google Office (the LO or OO offices are certainly not ready for most office usage, although they're probably adequate for personal use).

      [citation needed]

      The number of companies what have switched entirely to LO and/or OO while continuing to run Windows is astounding. Its more than good enough to handle "most office usage". I know of entire companies that switched cold turkey, with servers full of MS Word/Excel documents. They had a problem with less than 50 documents out of hundreds of thousands dating back 20 years. Those that failed were old and broken MS Office spread sheets, which turned out to be broken in Excel as well.

      LO gets document conversion correct far more often than Google Office.

      The phrase "Certainly not ready" suggests your analysis is done to the same standards as the BSA.

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    3. Re:Post Facto Economic Impact -- Not Productivity by Ferzerp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's funny that you call someone out with "[citation needed]" and then start making claims that you aren't backing with a shred of evidence either.

    4. Re:Post Facto Economic Impact -- Not Productivity by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      Surely you can name just half a dozen companies whose user base comprises more than, say 200 people, that have switched entirely, then?

      I mean, since you're so keen on citations, right?

      For the Google challenged:
      http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments

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  3. Re:I'm convinced by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, I see switching from Photoshop to the GIMP to be a productivity killer. You'll be using all that extra money on new time-consuming hobbies like a new boat to take fishing, new golf clubs for those sunny afternoons, new hookers for those lonely nights, a new wife when the old one finds the golf clubs...

  4. In short support following the rules. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In reality one should support anti-piracy and open source systems.
    With the following understandings...
    Some Software Projects can be better maintained and designed using a priority software model. Sometime to get it done, the incentive of money is the best way.
    Some Software Projects can be done better with Open Source. The project is interesting enough to have enough supporters to keep it going.
    There are some projects the license doesn't matter much.

    These ideas are not really in conflict it is only pig headed nuts who try to make them seem that way. When choosing software there are a lot of factors to consider. Sometime those thousand dollar license fees, or the freedom to alter source code are least of your concern, compared to getting support, and hiring staff proficient in the software, or just general product quality.

    However whatever license you choose for your software it is important that you try to follow it. If you have say a GNU license, you better make sure you don't accidentally let some of that code slip into your own product, by some naive developer or manager who think GNU = Public Domain. In the same vein you need to make sure your commercial license are equally maintained, as you have already weight the good and the bad and chosen your product and you should take what you expect.

    Piracy of commercial software is bad, it is just as bad as taking a GNU product and relicensing it, without the appropriate permission. Making software take a lot of time and resources. Just to toss the software creators license aside, will only make things worse.

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    1. Re:In short support following the rules. by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anything that speeds the demise of companies like Adobe, MS, Sony, Oracle & EA

      Some people misbehave. So lets condemn all people.

      There is simply not enough demand for some specialized software to support development a free software approach. Somebody has to feed, clothe and shelter the guy(s) taking 6 months of their lives to write, debug and test the code for your new air-stream continuous sample monitoring gizmo (or whatever).

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  5. Why Goverenments by STRICQ · · Score: 2

    My question to the submitter is, why must the government do the promotion? In what way does this have any relation to the daily lives of citizens and businesses?

    1. Re:Why Goverenments by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because Governments are supposed to be stewards for the country. They should be looking at the _long_ term. By setting a good example they show that they actually give a dam about spending efficiently instead of justifying mercenary assassination for "things" such as oil, power, control, etc.

      There is a reason we have _standards_ in the first place: So we don't force everyone to keep wasting energy re-inventing the wheel. Open Source has it own set of problems (usually poor documentation) but the ROI on it is a major advantage when governments routinely spend other people's money. For using software that follows the standards we keep the vendor's implementation honest, and the money normally spent on licensing can be instead spent on hardware + people.

      Open Source _can_ make good business sense. By having governments use it whenever possible it "legitimizes" / removes the stigma from OSS. How long did it take Microsoft to wean off Hotmail off FreeBSD ?

      There are a lot of good OSS based on technical code quality. Of course there is also a lot of crap. But at least the difference is one can do a code audit and literally SEE the bugs in the code in contradistinction to closed source where you have no idea what kind of data they are selling behing the scenes.

    2. Re:Why Goverenments by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      Opinions differ as to what governments are supposed to be. Some, for instance, might claim that government are instituted among humans to safeguard certain inalienable rights.

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  6. hardly by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2

    While I do not disagree, in principle, with the conclusion in OP, you can hardly trust the conclusion of something the BSA publishes - which is less of a study than it is an argument for software licensing made up after the conclusion was reached to support their point.

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  7. Re:It's about liability and responsibility of faul by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How does commercial software give you anyone to pin liability on? All of it that I've seen either disclaims liability entirely or limits liability to refunding your money (even from major vendors like Oracle it reads like "if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces"). You definitely won't be able to hold the vendor liable for the cost of lost business due to the failure of their software. Sure it gives you someone to blame, but you're still left holding the bag when it comes to the actual money the failure cost you. At least with open-source software, if the failure's bad enough the business can put it's own resources to work fixing it. Contrast that with commercial software where the business has no choice but to sit and wait for the vendor to decide the problem's important enough for the vendor to fix it.

  8. Re:It's about liability and responsibility of faul by mlts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is not a knock against the quality of F/OSS. However, I can take a piece of commercial software and show auditors that it is FIPS or Common Criteria certified, which is important for the legal eagles, especially with regs like Sarbanes-Oxley, FERPA, PCI-DSS, and other items.

    Say something like a downed production machine or a security breach causes an audit, and the bug that caused it was within the OS or application:

    Scenario 1: The software is shown to be commercial, with the pretty ribbons showing it was certified (AES library is officially certified by NIST), etc. Logs were shown that updates were pushed out on schedule, and that there was an IDS/IPS system in place. The auditors find that shit happens, due diligence was done, and head home.

    Scenario 2: The software used is solid, but doesn't have the certifications. Even proof of everything well maintained by IT, they go in and report findings that it was "from an untrusted/unknown vendor with an unknown security reputation". Then someone gets sacked because something has to be done or else the company may lose its ability to process credit cards or have the SEC step in.

    These certifications have nothing to do with the software's actual security. However, there is a big difference between secure in the eyes of the law and the auditors (CYA), versus actual security.

    This is the same exact reason why antivirus software goes on the Solaris, Linux, and AIX machines... not because they will get infected, but so the legal department can tick a check box saying that "all servers have AV software present."

  9. Re:It's about liability and responsibility of faul by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Informative
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  10. The BSA study will be seen as true by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

    Most of the pointy haired types and politicians who will be shown the BSA study will never read past the Executive Summary on page 1, many will not even do that and will just look at the difference in height of the blue and brown bars labeled $53 Billion Additional Value. There are a few pages with impressive phrases like Macroeconomic Analysis and tables with lots of numbers -- so it must all be well researched and thus true.

    Glyn Moody -- who is he ? Do they read technical articles ?

    The important readers are the politicians; protecting against piracy is obviously the right thing to do ... and for those not convinced a donation to a favoured cause will help convince that the guys showing the report are sincere.

    My point is that if you think that a detailed deconstruction of the study is the right way to expose this: then you are deluded. Properly presented reports showing the other case is a better way - but much harder since OSS does not have the money to ensure that the correct message is understood. Not impossible: just harder.