Schools Scanned Students' Irises Without Permission

schwit1 writes "Parents in Polk County, Florida are outraged after learning that students in area schools had their irises scanned as part of a new security program without obtaining proper permission. Two days before their Memorial Day weekend break, kids from at least three different public schools — Bethune Academy (K–5), Davenport School of the Arts (K–5, middle, and high school), and Daniel Jenkins Academy (grades 6–12) — were subjected to iris scans without their parents' knowledge or consent. The scans are essentially optical fingerprints, which the school intended to collect to create a database of biometric information for school-bus security."

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s/Freedom/Security/g

[Gothmolly]

You'll lose both, and deserve neither.

Re:s/Freedom/Security/g

[Anonymous Coward]

You'll lose both, and deserve neither.

The dead horse is starting to stink. keep beating, though, if it makes you happy.

We are a police state in the US now. The excuses are terrorism, drugs, child porn, whatever - and there's a loud minority of people who want that shit and a silent majority who just grumble on the rare occasions when it bothers them - like having their nail file being confiscated at the TSA checkpoint.

Those of us who saw it coming have lost. There is nothing to do now except wait for the day that it gets so bad - if ever - that regular people start pressuring their politicians to put the cat back in the bag. I have given up. I point and say, "This is where we are headed!" and I get the look of a cow chewing in its cud.

John Q. Public is worried about his job and his standard of living. He has his big screen TV for his football games that he got on sale for $799 and is estatic but there's this niggling feeling that he's getting poorer. His salary hasn't gone down but he's feels poorer. More money comes out of his pocket for health care, groceries cost a bit more, and it costs $30 more to fill his tank - even though there's an oil boom in the US right now.

And we expect him to care about about some pissant Florida town that's scanning the irises of kids eyes for "security".

Re:s/Freedom/Security/g

[ColdWetDog]

We're not really talking about security hear. We're talking about control.

It's a subtly difference concept.

Re:s/Freedom/Security/g

[cusco]

Actually we're talking about neither, in this case. I work in the physical security industry, and have worked with iris scanners. They're actually one of the better biometric systems out there, EXCEPT that unlike fingerprints iris patterns change as children are growing. This is a rather inappropriate use of a technology developed for use on adults who have a (relatively) stable iris pattern. It's a ridiculously inappropriate application of a technology developed for two-factor authentication, since it's going to be used in place of the current proximity cards. Biometric technologies should not be used alone, they're too undependable.

Re:s/Freedom/Security/g

[Dishevel]

You know what would keep children REALLY safe?
Put POV cameras on everyone in the world. Have all of that accessible to law enforcement.
Now the children will be safe. Put yours on first.

scanning students for bus?

[iggymanz]

pro-tip: when buses are hijacked or children kidnapped, it will be an adult that does it. As for recognizing kids, the driver can work off a paper with thumbnail pictures

Re:scanning students for bus?

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

pro-tip: when buses are hijacked or children kidnapped, it will be an adult that does it. As for recognizing kids, the driver can work off a paper with thumbnail pictures

I wouldn't put it past some of the older students(grades 6-12 certainly would include a few) to be overtly dangerous; but some iris-scanning nonsense also entirely fails to address that, since a student will be an authorized user and sail right through...

It really doesn't make much sense at all. Even if you wanted to play some electronic-orwell attendance tracking game, iris scanning is both expensive and invasive compared to, say, mag stripes on student IDs.

Is somebody's cousin the vendor? Does somebody in admin or on the school board jerk off to Minority Report every night?

Re:scanning students for bus?

[Nickodeimus]

...and it takes one law or event like 9/11 to change that. This is the problem with almost all government overreach. It starts out as a benign "think of the children" scenario and turns into something that is monstrous because some law perverts what was originally intended.

Re:scanning students for bus?

[gstoddart]

And yet, once this information is in the hands of a private entity or even a government entity, the DHS can demand it under the Patriot Act and not tell anybody.

At this point, you pretty much have to assume that anything ever collected about you can end up in the hands of government if they decide they want it.

Imagine a world in which children have all of their biometric data collected and cataloged before they can even spell biometric -- because it seems to be happening.

I sincerely hope there are some pretty harsh legal penalties for this, and that the companies are ordered to destroy the data. A school board has no business doing this kind of thing without parental consent. This is just blatant stupidity and over-reaching.

Oh, the ironies...

[Mystakaphoros]

Meanwhile, down the hall, students were studying the Bill of Rights.

Re:Oh, the ironies...

[JustOK]

Illinois high school teacher John Dryden has been reprimanded and docked a day’s pay after informing his students of their Constitutional rights before administering a school-mandated survey about “at-risk behavior.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/29/high-school-teacher-punished-for-informing-students-of-their-fifth-amendment-right/

Re:Oh, the ironies...

[stewsters]

That teacher is more awesome that he knows. I hope the kids paid attention to the lesson they received that day.

Re:Where are these parents

[localman57]

Fucking around on Facebook.

Backdoor Contact lens???

[RobertLTux]

i wonder how hard it would be to make a contact lens that caused the scanner to throw an error (or worse was a backdoor into the system).

Scanning Image
Processing
Identified Krystal Rayne Dawnmeadow approved SYSTEM ADMIN ALL ACCESS

(and of course daddy would have told his favorite minion exactly what to punch into a terminal to .....)

Re:If anyone should know..

[Hatta]

All of these issues are pretty much based on so much of the violence which the US schools have been faced for the last 20+ yrs.

Juvenile violent crime has been falling for the past 20 years. These issues must be based on something else.

Re:s/Freedom/nothing/g

[darkonc]

Security?? WHAT security?

If some kid is intent on shooting the driver and everybody else on the bus, do you really think (s)he's gonna stop for an eye exam before going hog wild?

And if it's some PTSD-suffering ex-marine blowing up the bus, it's gonna be the same situation -- even if the attacker DOES stop to look in the scanner.

In this case, you get NOTHING for your lost freedom: no security, no safety, no real knowledge after the fact ...

NOTHING

Re:s/Freedom/nothing/g

[serviscope_minor]

If some kid is intent on shooting the driver and everybody else on the bus, do you really think (s)he's gonna stop for an eye exam before going hog wild?

And even if he does stop for the eye exam what will it confirm? The columbine killers were both students at the school they shot up (surprise!), so such a system wouldn't have stopped them.

Database thinks, yep, Harris and Klebold are on the bus.