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Motorola Developing Pill and Tattoo Authentication Methods

redletterdave writes "In trying to solve the 'mechanical mismatch' between humans and electronics — particularly wearables — special projects chief Regina Dugan unveiled two new projects currently in development at Google's Motorola Mobility centered on rethinking authentication methodology, including electronic tattoos and ingestible pills. Of the pill, which Dugan called her 'first superpower,' she described it as an 'inside-out potato battery' that when swallowed, the acids in one's stomach serve as the electrolyte to power an 18-bit ECG-like signal that essentially turns one's body into an authentication token. 'It means my arms are like wires and my hands are like alligator clips [so] when I touch my phone, my computer, my door, I'm authenticated,' Dugan said. 'This is not science fiction.'"

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  1. Tattoo Authentication Methods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't we have a problem with this in Europe last century?

    1. Re: Tattoo Authentication Methods by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      I have friends with no cell phones, and plenty with no automobiles. The last one depends highly on the public transit situation in your area though.

      I would say where I live both are very convenient but not essential. When not on call I often disable the cellular connection of my phone. You should try it some time.

    2. Re:Tattoo Authentication Methods by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I vote for the forehead tattoo with an "H" letter design.

    3. Re:Tattoo Authentication Methods by kheldan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This would be voluntary. That is a pretty big difference.

      At first. It would be voluntary at first.
      There are many people in power in this world today who would love to be able to tattoo some sort of ID on people from birth, or embed an RFID in their bodies at birth, and so on, so they can be tracked everywhere they go (with greater ease than we already are with goddamn fucking cameras everywhere. NO. JUST. NO.
      Yes, I understand the article is talking about something like a henna tattoo or a sticker you wear.. but it would set a dangerous precedent. The line has to be drawn here, no farther!

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    4. Re: Tattoo Authentication Methods by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Are there really people out there creating a market clamoring for pill swallowing transmitter ID for devices?

      Seems like a strange idea, for a small market...I mean, we've seen how well the inject-able RFID chips have sold....

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    5. Re:Tattoo Authentication Methods by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This would be voluntary. That is a pretty big difference.

      At first. It would be voluntary at first.
      There are many people in power in this world today who would love to be able to tattoo some sort of ID on people from birth, or embed an RFID in their bodies at birth, and so on, so they can be tracked everywhere they go (with greater ease than we already are with goddamn fucking cameras everywhere. NO. JUST. NO.
      Yes, I understand the article is talking about something like a henna tattoo or a sticker you wear.. but it would set a dangerous precedent. The line has to be drawn here, no farther!

      Some perspective du jour...

      Rewind 50 years:
      "You mean those fuckers are going to require that they have my picture just so I can get a drivers license? Hell no! Let's draw the line in the sand! The MAN already knows too much about me, and it would set an unthinkable precedent!"

      Fast forward 5 years (maybe less):
      "Oh, wait, you mean it will make my email and phone and bank account basically un-hackable in the face of wave after wave of cybertheft? Yeah, well, ok let's draw the line just a little further out"

    6. Re: Tattoo Authentication Methods by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Hospitals would love this.
      So would retirement homes and other care facilities.

    7. Re:Tattoo Authentication Methods by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it's voluntary. But, more and more banks use it, more and more retailers use it, employers use it, then Wal-Mart says that all credit card users MUST have it, then the state says that all beneficiaries of Medicaid, food stamps, social security, and unemployment benefits MUST have it.

      Give it ten years, and "voluntary" will be a completely meaningless descriptor.

      "Well, Junior, there's no law that says you HAVE TO swallow this pill, but you can't get a job, you can't buy groceries, you can't see the doctor, you may not even be permitted to breathe good American air if you refuse!"

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    8. Re:Tattoo Authentication Methods by moj0joj0 · · Score: 2

      I see. So are you declaring that you'd be OK with a state-mandated permanent tattoo on your skin, or an RFID tag surgically implanted in your body? Mandated, as in you submit to it or are imprisoned? That's where this is going, and I and many others are not OK with it.

      I think you should think that bit through a little more.

      Driver's licenses are state mandated to operate a vehicle legally in the United States. I haven't had a driver's license since about 1994, I still drive almost daily, I have insurance on my cars and they function just fine. I do have an ID card that has my picture on it, (I do still sometimes get carded at some pubs or when buying smokes) however that card has very old data on it. I have been pulled over, but presenting my ID card and insurance has been more than sufficient for the officer.

      My point is that you may just be overstating things slightly. Sure, it could become a law that you need to have XYZ to access things, or for identification purposes, but people will object over religious beliefs or other concerns and an alternative will be available - such as an ID card with RFID, rather than a glow-in-the-dark tattoo or a RFID capsule over your right scapula.

      I am sure that all sorts of abuses of the system will happen, it always does, but it won't happen like the mark of the beast scenario you're suggesting.

      This implant stuff... meh, neat-o tech, but not really something to worry about - I mean hell, if you're worried about Big Brother, we're already fucked, just look around for a minute.

    9. Re: Tattoo Authentication Methods by rthille · · Score: 2

      It depends on whether the metal is ferrous or not. If you've worked in a machine shop they want you to get your eyes x-rayed so they don't extract any filings which might have lodged in there without your knowledge...

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  2. Temporary token by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So I have to check my poop all the time for my auth token?

    Eat it again? Renegotiate?

    How do you authenticate yourself without the "inside out potato" - not science fiction maybe, but rather far out research - I like it ! :)

  3. I will take two pills! by fredan · · Score: 2

    So that I've got 36-bits of this securitybits!

    1. Re:I will take two pills! by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Funny

      You become a were-cyborg.

  4. I can't swallow a pill that big! by AioKits · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good news! It's a suppository!

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  5. Authentication In Pills = Dumb by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 2

    What goes in, must come out. I'm not sure if I'd like to swallow a pill every day for authentication. Besides, it doesn't seem that secure. What's to stop my friend from taking my pills and authenticating as me? The Tattoo idea may be better, but it better be secure. You can't exactly "Patch" a tattoo with a security fix.

  6. Idiocracy becoming more true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tattoo authentication...I just see Idiocracy.

  7. erm by Aryden · · Score: 2

    Because nothing at all could go wrong with changing your body chemistry to turn you into a battery for the purpose of unlocking a phone....

  8. Re:Clip this! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    because we have been trained, by government, to think of business as the Prime Evil of existance.

    I think I'm not alone here when I say: WTF?

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  9. Re:Automatic authentication by contact sounds bad by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It also sounds vulnerable to replay attacks. I can have you touch something that secretly records the signal, then play it back to the actual input device. Seems like a password you're always broadcasting from your skin...

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  10. Data in, data out by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Funny

    I poop information!

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    1. Re:Data in, data out by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Funny

      I pee what you did there...

  11. Well, fuck. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    What kind of shitty future did I wake up in where 'unlocking your cellphone' is a "superpower"?

    1. Re:Well, fuck. by LordNightwalker · · Score: 2

      What kind of shitty future did I wake up in where 'unlocking your cellphone' is a "superpower"?

      Don't know man, humanity's changing and more and more people are waking up with new and strange powers. Take me, for example... A couple of weeks ago I discovered I have the power to look through solid windows!

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  12. Tattoo permanency by DigitAl56K · · Score: 2

    Tattoos are permanent, technology moves on at an incredible pace. This seems like a bad idea.

  13. MITM attack by femtobyte · · Score: 2

    'It means my arms are like wires and my hands are like alligator clips [so] when I touch my phone, my computer, my door, I'm authenticated,'

    So, whenever you hold a metal hand rail walking down stairs, someone just needs to hook up a sensor to it to grab your authentication signal and relay it to your "secure" devices? This doesn't seem like a particularly more secure biometric than the "old fashioned" iris or fingerprint scans; anyone else can intercept your authentication signal any time you touch any object which they can insert sensors into.

  14. Re:Well, my eyes are safe by TheCarp · · Score: 2

    Nope, now they have to route around in your stomach and intestines. Big win there, that will really show them!

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  15. So, how are you holding up? by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Because I'm a potato!

  16. Re:Clip this! by gorzek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet the prevailing political philosophy I see expressed by Slashdot commenters falls somewhere in the anarchist/libertarian area of the political graph, where there's little to no government and virtually unfettered personal (and corporate) behavior. In concept, it's nice to imagine a world where everyone can do anything they want as long as it's not harming anyone else. In practice, we find that "harm" is not always easy to see, and can result from complex sequences of events and interactions that are not individually problematic but nevertheless result in systemic harms.

    I am by no means saying that government is the perfect solution to every problem. In fact, there is no perfect solution to most problems. There's only bricolage and compromise. Some things are better managed by government. Some things are better managed by the private sector. Both need to be accountable, though: the business world is accountable to the government, and the government is accountable to the people. When any of those mechanisms fails, the system has failed.

    That is to say, I am deeply unhappy with the current state of US politics, since any efforts at accountability for government are stymied by the total lack of accountability in the business world.

    But there's no way I'm going to take that and conclude the option is to nearly get rid of the government and just trust the market to work everything out. That way lies insanity, or at least a whole lot of misery.

  17. Just wonder how.... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

    I just wonder *how* they intend to *keep* it in the stomach.. Many people know instictively that items that enter the stomach pretty much *leave* the stomach in a fairly short period of time.. Unless they intend this to be a temporary authentication, and make you keep eating these "pills", to keep the effect working, they have a *bit* more work to do, in my opinion... VERY cool idea tho...

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  18. New Euphemism by Richy_T · · Score: 5, Funny

    Brings a new meaning to "Logging out"

  19. Re:Clip this! by lgw · · Score: 2

    That is to say, I am deeply unhappy with the current state of US politics, since any efforts at accountability for government are stymied by the total lack of accountability in the business world.

    It's circular, I think. The only place where there's no accountability in the business world is where there's no penalty for failure (and thus you can piss off your customers fee of consequence for that), because of some government prop: legal monopoly, bailing out failures, whatever.

    I think it's obvious that "no government" and "totalitarian government" are bad answers, but I've come to believe that "more government" and "less government" as answers simply miss the point.

    The problem is the kind of power we give government over business. Amending the constitution to prevent the government from granting a monopoly to any business for any reason, and from the government bailing out a company for any reason (but how would you word that?). Would make things much better. Not a magic bullet, regulatory capture is going to need a separate answer, but those two changes would be a marked improvement.
     

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  20. Re:Doesn't have the problem of iris or fingerprint by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

    If so, then you need to physically kidnap the person.

    Or steal their pills...

  21. Re:Beowolf? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    I did, then I imagined a huge cluster of janitors needed to clean up the resulting mess in the Men's Room.

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