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Activist Admits To Bugging US Senate Minority Leader

cold fjord writes "Curtis Morrison, co-founder of the Progress Kentucky PAC, which had previous issued an apology over a racially charged tweet about Senator McConnell's wife (former Secretary of Labor, Elaine Chao), has admitted to bugging Senator McConnell. Morrison admitted he was behind the recording and said a grand jury is investigating the situation. "[Assistant] U.S. attorney, Bryan Calhoun, telephoned my attorney yesterday, asking to meet with him next Friday as charges against me are being presented to a grand jury," Morrison wrote on Salon. Morrison writes that after releasing the recording, his personal life took a negative turn. 'I've never doubted that making the recording was ethical.' He also says that he doesn't believe his actions were illegal, but admits he could be prosecuted for them."' Morrison has said that one of his inspirations was Julian Assange. Given the current direction of government activity, he may simply have been trying to build a suitable resume for future federal employment."

247 comments

  1. It is truly sad... by cold+fjord · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is truly sad to see the direction things have been heading in the United States.

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    1. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes when assholes commit felonies against an opposing party it should end with the president resigning. That won't happen in this case since his imperial highness has some distance from the perpetrator.

      At least Nixon resigned.

    2. Re:It is truly sad... by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "'I've never doubted that making the recording was ethical.'"

      The cornerstone of ethics is that is the idea they don't bend to suit your whims. If we all act "low class" and just do whatever we justify to ourselves, the world will be headed into the gutter (even faster than now).

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    3. Re:It is truly sad... by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Back when President Nixon was in office this country still had journalists and in that day expected their elected leaders to be held to a higher standard. If Nixon was president today he wouldn't have to resign.

    4. Re:It is truly sad... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Back when President Nixon was in office this country still had journalists and in that day expected their elected leaders to be held to a higher standard.

      Get a grip. Back in those days politicians got away with far more than they do today. In fact, it was Watergate that caused a major shift in journalism. It was no longer acceptable to "look the other way" when people like Richard Daley stole elections or had the cops beat up their opponents. Many journalists knew about JFK's affairs, and there was little coverage of LBJ's wholesale cheating in the 1960 election, as well as his earlier campaigns for the senate. The current IRS flap is a joke compared to the way the IRS (and the FBI) were used politically prior to Watergate. There was never a "golden age" of ethical politicians.

    5. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Stop watching TV and read a book. Nixon didn't resign because some random conservative operative did something bad forcing Dicky to bravely fall on the sword of honor, he resigned because he'd HIRED the person to do something bad, and then got caught. Drawing some idiotic, unsubstantiated parallel to the current administration just makes you look ignorant, and deceived.

    6. Re: It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The worst ethics are the ones that do not bend to circumstance but lack a capacity to act in response to details.

    7. Re:It is truly sad... by buybuydandavis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I don't know that the media has changed that much. The media, along with the universities, is an arm of our progressive theocracy. They will hold people on the right accountable, but not the left. Rage against Nixon. Rage against Pinochet. But praise and fawning over Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. The left has no standard of justice beyond power - that which furthers their power is good.

      Obama uses the full force of government to stifle opposition. The media aids, abets, and enables his crimes. This guy is your typical progressive, completely self righteous in their criminality, because their standard of right and wrong is what serves the power of the left.

    8. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But praise and fawning over Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

      What

    9. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Talk about irony, they guy who is claiming he knows history got it wrong - Nixon resigned because he knew he would be impeached and thown out of office. The reason why he would have been impeached is because he hired the person to do an illegal thing and then covered it up. Lets just hope The Obama administration doesn't or hasn't fallen into these same traps.

    10. Re:It is truly sad... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1, Troll

      That doesn't make the current situation any better. Politicians have always been liars and cheats, the difference today is the power of the federal government in our every day lives. The executive branch is routinely and publicly ordering the assassination of US citizens. Granted I'm sure it happened in secret in the past, the fact that it happens openly and routinely now should scare the shit out of all of us.

    11. Re:It is truly sad... by maugle · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I don't know that the media has changed that much. The media, along with the universities, is an arm of our progressive theocracy. They will hold people on the right accountable, but not the left. Rage against Nixon. Rage against Pinochet. But praise and fawning over Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. The left has no standard of justice beyond power - that which furthers their power is good.

      Greetings, being from a bizarre parallel universe! Before you interact with anyone else, I must be quick to point out that nobody in the media or universities of this dimension praises Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot. In fact, asserting something so ridiculous will get you nothing but strange looks, scorn, or sarcastic responses!

    12. Re:It is truly sad... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But praise and fawning over Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

      Wow. You genuinely believe that, don't you? Which probably explains this priceless line:

      Obama uses the full force of government to stifle opposition.

      Hint: under Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot, you wouldn't be saying that, with or without the thin gloss of anonymity that comes from posting under a screen name. If web forums had existed in their day, very bad things would have happened to anyone posting such a comment. You clearly have no idea what "the full force of government to stifle opposition" actually looks like, and for all our sakes, I sincerely hope you never find out.

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    13. Re:It is truly sad... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Back in those days politicians got away with far more than they do today.

      I got four dead guys in Benghazi who'd probably argue with you, if they could.

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    14. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hundreds of millions of dead smokers would tell all of those groups to fuck off.

    15. Re:It is truly sad... by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I guess that in the game of thrones, you either win or you resign.

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    16. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      fastest way to find a republican hack -- mention of benghazi.

      i totally agree. the administration should take full responsibility for benghazi and more importantly learn a lesson from it. at the very least those "four dead guys" would not have died for absolutely no reason. at least their deaths would be a wakeup call for some who had grown complacent.

      but i agree with the sibling poster. what about bush and cheney? (note because bush and cheney did what they did doesn't excuse what obama did did.) and compared to bush, cheney, or obama, lbj kept us in vietnam in which many more lives were lost. so it's not that it's worse now necessarily across the board.

      btw, adults speak in nuances. children and those who haven't grown up yet speak in absolutes and can't detect irony.

    17. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I love how the anti-regulation "government can't do nothing right" folks are so up in arms over the deaths of 4 people thanks to lack of regulation but don't give a shit about the combined millions of deaths each year caused by alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.

      The battle cry of the conservative, "REGULATE PEOPLE NOT PRODUCT!"

    18. Re:It is truly sad... by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know about those other ones, but certainly Mao.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/23/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes/

      And also, there is at least some anecdotal evidence that progressives do indeed support IRS bullying of political speech so long as it isn't their speech.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wzuEOr2D8wo

      (Slightly unrelated - I think the word "progressive" in the political sense is horribly used. It gives a self righteous implication that your own view is whats best for progress, without consideration that it might be wrong. For example, groups that have labeled themselves progressive include the prohibition movement as well as the Nazi party.)

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    19. Re:It is truly sad... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1, Troll

      Since those 3000+ American soldiers volunteered to join the military of their own free will, you should hesitate to assume you know what they would say if they could.

      If you have never served in the military (for any country), you should just not assume anything at all in relation to dead soldiers. You literally have no clue.

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    20. Re:It is truly sad... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 0

      But praise and fawning over Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

      Wow. You genuinely believe that, don't you?

      Probably because he has read the fawning words of leftists/liberals/progressives for those people many times.

      One of Obama's close advisers counts Mao as one of her guiding lights. I would find a link for you, but I just don't care to enlighten your dim-witted mind further at this moment.

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    21. Re:It is truly sad... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. Is that what we tell ourselves, or are the actions of the Left simply put down the garbage disposal of the Memory Hole? Cambodia was a revolutionary Marxist paradise. Private property, religion and money were abolished. Here's a contemporary account of the Leftist view of Cambodia. You'll recognize the tropes, eh?

      "For years western imperialism raped an Asiatic land, killing nearly a million people, transforming a beautiful cultured Cambodian city into a ghetto, a brothel. But the people rose, freed themselves, threw out the intruders, found that their fine towns needed restoration. So they emptied the houses and began to clear up the mess. They began to scrub floors and walls, because people were never meant to live in degradation here, but in peace and with dignity. Then crocodile tears poured forth in the West. The brothel has been emptied and the clean-up is in progress. Only pimps can regret what is happening."

      Link

      "When Gunnar Bergstrom was a guest in Khmer Rouge Cambodia of Pol Pot in August 1978, the Swede enjoyed a rare meeting and dinner of oysters hosted by Pol Pot.

      The meal followed a rare interview he and three politcal comrades from Sweden were given by the innaccesible and secretive Pol Pot who was then presiding over the death of more than a million and a half people that was actually escalating and under full rage at the time of that August 1978 feast. he returned to Europe and labeled talk about genocide under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge rule as a Western lie.

      The young Swedish leftists shared Pol Pot's view, seeing the Khmer Rouge takeover as a revolution to transform Cambodia into a fairer society benefiting the poor."

      Link

      Edgar Snow lied like a dog about Mao Zedong, and Walter Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize in 1932 for covering up Stalin's genocide in the Ukraine. The Pulitzer Prize committee flat-out refused to revoke his award.

      Go visit our universities and do some research - people were not cast out for these views. Most of them (or their proteges) are still teaching students.

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    22. Re:It is truly sad... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I got four dead guys in Benghazi who'd probably argue with you, if they could.

      Incompetent != unethical

    23. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know that the media has changed that much. The media, along with the universities, is an arm of our progressive theocracy. They will hold people on the right accountable, but not the left. Rage against Nixon. Rage against Pinochet. But praise and fawning over Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. The left has no standard of justice beyond power - that which furthers their power is good.

      Greetings, being from a bizarre parallel universe! Before you interact with anyone else, I must be quick to point out that nobody in the media or universities of this dimension praises Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.

      Walter Duranty was a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist who not only wrote accolades to Stalin, but helped cover up the Holodomor, the deliberate starvation of millions of Ukrainians.

      In more recent times, of course, most of the Communists are simply gone, fallen with the Soviet Union. But there have been plenty of people in the media doing fawning interviews with Castro, ignoring his vicious history. Guys like Yasser Arafat receive Nobel Peace Prizes because they have the right politics.

    24. Re:It is truly sad... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Incompetent != Unethical

      Still allows instances of:

      Incompetent U unethical

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    25. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      btw, adults speak in nuances. children and those who haven't grown up yet speak in absolutes and can't detect irony.

      irony overload.

    26. Re:It is truly sad... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Back when President Nixon was in office this country still had journalists and in that day expected their elected leaders to be held to a higher standard.

      Get a grip. Back in those days politicians got away with far more than they do today. In fact, it was Watergate that caused a major shift in journalism. It was no longer acceptable to "look the other way" when people like Richard Daley stole elections or had the cops beat up their opponents. Many journalists knew about JFK's affairs, and there was little coverage of LBJ's wholesale cheating in the 1960 election, as well as his earlier campaigns for the senate. The current IRS flap is a joke compared to the way the IRS (and the FBI) were used politically prior to Watergate. There was never a "golden age" of ethical politicians.

      doesn't change that "doing a watergate" is now legal...

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    27. Re:It is truly sad... by rockout · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know about those other ones, but certainly Mao.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/23/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes/

      Are you fucking kidding me? A close-up of a Christmas tree ornament, on the White House tree one year, that was painted by someone in a community organization (one of 60 that the 800 ornaments were sent to), and it includes a microscopic reproduction of Mao on it, among other pictures on that same ball - and that's your support for the argument that "the media is fawning over Mao"?

      Get a grip, dude. You're living in an alternate reality where everyone that doesn't agree with you must be looking to install a Communist dictatorship, and you need psychiatric help.

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    28. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the AC Kool Aid Drinker.

      Were you even alive back then?

    29. Re:It is truly sad... by rockout · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or maybe it's because it's not "one of Obama's close advisers", but one of his debate coaches that served as White House communications director for 7 months. Oh, and also because she was ironically quoting GOP strategist Lee Atwater, but you missed that while you were watching the Glenn Beck show - probably because his out-of-context attack didn't mention that key tidbit.

      Unlike you, I'm willing to enlighten a dim-witted mind. Here, you should try reading this:

      http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/16/beck.dunn/index.html

      Are there any birth certificates we should be looking for, as long as you're dispensing political advice based on nonsense?

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    30. Re:It is truly sad... by anagama · · Score: 0

      No, but what is intentionally blaming the attack on a spontaneous mob protest over a movie?

      That would be the ever honorable appeal to prejudice -- "see how violent those tribal muslims are? They'll blow up an embassy over a youtube video. Savages!"

      (and you Obamabots who want to deny that this happened, here's the timeline ... though facts seldom stand in the way of your ability to ignore Obama's bloodthirsty character):

      http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

      Oh yeah, and criticizing George W. Obama does not make one a Republican. No liberal can actually utter a favorable word and Obama in the same sentence. He's the worst thing to happen to this country since GWB really hit the executive power expansion button, because Obama has taken what was radical, and normalized it.

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    31. Re: It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you missed that poster's point; in earlier decades nobody in the white house would have tolerated a chairman Mao ornament on the Christmas tree. This administration not only tolerated it but it was consistent with the comments of one of their communications people... Anita Dunn was caught on tape singing the praises of chairman Mao.

    32. Re:It is truly sad... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Um, the White House Communications Director is one of the President's close advisers. Read the description of the job. Notice the part where the office is usually filled by the president's deputy campaign manager.

    33. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

      Ironically this is an absolute statement.

    34. Re:It is truly sad... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Informative

      So when she said this:

      "The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse-tung and Mother Theresa -- not often coupled with each other, but the two people I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point which is 'you're going to make choices; you're going to challenge; you're going to say why not; you're going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before."

      she wasn't saying that Mao was one of her favorite political philosophers?

      She claims she got the quote from a conservative, Lee Atwater, who quoted Mao to make a point but never implied he was a "favorite political philosopher".

      According to http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Lee_Atwater_quote_Mao

      Atwater jokingly quoted Mao but never called him 'one of my favorite philosophers'. Lee just used a quote from Mao to provide an ironic point, much in the same way others use quotes from historic figures, both egregious & beneficent.

      For further analysis of the situation, here is another site
      http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/10/17/anita-dunn-blames-lee-atwater-quoting-mao

      And what about Dunn's description of Mao as one of her "favorite political philosophers?" Not to worry, Dunn comes up with yet another comedy line to explain it away via CNN:

      As for Beck's criticism: "The use of the phrase 'favorite political philosophers' was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat -- at least with a certain Fox commentator whose sense of irony may be missing.

      So you see. You peons just don't have the mental ability to see that Anita Dunn was merely being ironic despite the fact that was absolutely nothing in her facial expression, vocal tone, nor in what she said that displayed the slightest sense of irony. In fact, she was dead serious as you can plainly see in the video of her speech.

      So, taken in context she is saying exactly what it appears she is saying. Letting her later say is was "irony" is just lefties covering up for her.

      Sorry, your attempt at saving your political side's image failed.

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    35. Re:It is truly sad... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, they have a clue. You can't even use the 'B' word without being labelled a 'hack', irrespective of any reality.
      Benghazi!
      Benghazi!
      Benghazi!
      Benghazi!
      Benghazi!
      Just a little recreation there. It's relatively clear, given the first 3.5 years of #OccupyResoluteDesk, that no amount of perfidy his part could begin to make Harry "the Cadaver" Reid begin to consider doing his job.

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    36. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      "The executive branch is routinely and publicly ordering the assassination of US citizens."

      It should be pointed out that those citizens wear towels for headgear and are in countries whose names end in "stan" but I get your point.

    37. Re:It is truly sad... by Jockle · · Score: 1

      Right. Warrantless wiretapping, a renewed Patriot Act, annoying interference in other countries' affairs (just about every politician loves this), the continued existence of the Patriot Act, warrantless GPS tracking, the assassination of US citizens, and various other rights violations... what a great president!

      Obama doesn't care about many important rights just like so many other politicians; he's not great or special at all.

    38. Re:It is truly sad... by Jockle · · Score: 1

      Sorry, your attempt at saving your political side's image failed.

      There's no saving anyone who engages in the left/right politics game; they're beyond hope.

    39. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually like all of those things.

        - Is the assassination of US citizens somehow more reprehensible than the assassination of anyone else? Can you say "nationalism"? We probably shouldn't be assassinating anybody, however if we are going to allow foreigners to be assassinated then we should absolutely allow the same rights to American citizens.

        - The Patriot Act is merely an admission of things the government has been doing since the 1700's. It literally does nothing new.

        - You do realize how silly it is for the government to be required to ask itself for a warrant right? That's like a home schooled kid having to ask his parent to sign his grade card. It's nonsense.

      The sheer amount of effort people go to when exclaiming how not special and not great Obama is. Wow. I mean seriously, wow! Let me put it like this, if a person isn't a great person then people don't talk about them at all. If a person truly is a great person that will be remembered for all time, then the masses will shout "CRUCIFY HIM!" For as much hate as Obama gets, he'll be lucky to not have a religious cult sweep the earth proclaiming his message of "hope and change" 2000 years from now.

    40. Re:It is truly sad... by Jockle · · Score: 1

      Vanish, troll.

    41. Re:It is truly sad... by epyT-R · · Score: 0

      , I must be quick to point out that nobody in the media or universities of this dimension praises Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.

      No, they praise marx instead, at least implicitly. Cultural marxism and so-called identity politics have become cornerstones of 'liberal' arts ivy leagues, and has trickled down to pretty much every campus in the country. The media is little different. It acts more and more like the soapbox for the state every day. This kicked into really high gear with george bush's cronies after 9/11, and obama's crew seems content to take advantage of the momentum to push their own policy. It's a lot easier to do what you want when that pesky constitution has a few more hole blown into it.

      Before I get negatively moderated for not drinking my koolaid, all I want to suggest is that you shouldn't assume any of these parties are out for your interest or are interested in protecting your liberties or even the liberties of those they claim to be fighting for. They might promise favors every so often (obamacare, gun safety, terror safety), but you can be sure that they are taking away a lot more than they are giving. Without your liberties, nothing else really matters.

    42. Re:It is truly sad... by JDAustin · · Score: 0

      Obama ended the Iraq war? No, Obama followed the blueprint that W. left him when he left office.

      Brought us back from brink of collapse? You mean from the housing bubble that was created in not small part due to Democratic housing policies going back to Jimmy Carter.

      Stand up for what is right? Maybe you should look again. Every single promise by Obama had a expiration date. The man has flipped his position to match what is necessary to get elected.

    43. Re: It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " - You do realize how silly it is for the government to be required to ask itself for a warrant right? That's like a home schooled kid having to ask his parent to sign his grade card. It's nonsense."

      And for further clarification this is why we have our entire year's worth of portfolios we do at home evaluated by the public school system. I've noticed with the 200+ families in our network that we're significantly quicker to observe areas where our kids need to improve and focus further than scoot them along. Schooling at home is far from a free ride.

      Sorry for off-topic.

    44. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you are a troll, as noone beyond the intelligence level of a moron could say this. So, you want every leader to resign any time anyone who states publicly any support for that leader commits any sort of alleged criminal act? stating "Obama is involved" without providing evidence is simply a desparate attempt at slander. thats all the neocons have at this point, slander (and oh yeah criminal threats, obstructionism, racist messaging, etc etc ad nauseum), to defend their morally and intellectually bankrupt policies. PS, nixon resigned because he was guilty of ordering wiretaps, and didnt want to be impeached. Im not defending the guy who did this, but i swear to Sofia if you cocksuckers dont go back to kindergarten and learn how to live with other people, we ARE going to have to round you up and shoot you. you defend your right to act like criminals, and when someone calls you on it, you act like those trying to stop you are criminals. the comments on the article on the tweet are absurd, saying the left is racist because they constantly bring up race. Anyone who believes this really should have their right to vote revoked, and if the commenters dont believe it and are saying it to score points, they are sociopathic thugs who deserve to be shot in the back of the head and buried in an unmarked grave, their names erased from the history books. you know, sometimes Big Brother does it right, and in the case of the tea party, if the govt could erase them from history, we would be better off. of course, its too late, with global warming and ecocide around the corner. great work: you WIN! now we all die.

    45. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ornament is a huge stretch. However, the constant quotes from Mao and several highly elected officials claiming to admire him, yeah that is bad.

    46. Re:It is truly sad... by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      Dude, get a hold of yourself. This is Slashdot, everything from the past was better. Politicians, computers, and the damn kids stayed off my lawn!

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    47. Re: It is truly sad... by Jockle · · Score: 1

      Schooling at home is far from a free ride.

      If you're saying it's necessary to do that, it really depends on the state.

    48. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as much distance as you would think. The week befor the bugging those guys were in the White House talking to Valery Jarret's top assistant.

    49. Re:It is truly sad... by Goody · · Score: 1

      Get a grip, dude. You're living in an alternate reality where everyone that doesn't agree with you must be looking to install a Communist dictatorship, and you need psychiatric help.

      That's Fox News!

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    50. Re:It is truly sad... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't know if they are beyond all hope. Sometimes they surprise me with real thought. And those few gems are generally from the left, waking up and smelling the crap they had been buried in by their leaders.

      But really, I just say things how I see them. I'm not actually attempting to change someone's mind, I'm trying to clarify my own beliefs.

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    51. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are truly an idiot if you think that Marxism prevails among universities and the media. Nearly every single media outlet is controlled by right-wing profiteers attempting to control the mindset of America for further profit. Universities are filled with people who are attempting to expand their knowledge, not trying to stifle any ideas past the 1840's.

      Yes, I modded you down because you're a fucking idiot. You want to live in a right-wing paradise? Move to Iran... No one will miss you.

    52. Re:It is truly sad... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You clearly have no idea what "the full force of government to stifle opposition" actually looks like, and for all our sakes, I sincerely hope you never find out.

      I think you could say the "consommé" version of that sort of "feast" enjoyed in truly oppressive regimes, such as under Stalin, is being served now to conservatives of various flavours in the United States. That is still not acceptable. The IRS has admitted it was out of line, but they may not be the only ones involved.

      What's going on between the IRS and True the Vote?

      But Engelbrecht's attorney, Cleta Mitchell, says it's not just the Democratic Party that went after the conservative causes, but also the federal government. Within months of the groups filing for tax-exempt status, Engelbrecht claims she started getting hit by an onslaught of harassment: six FBI domestic terrorism inquiries, an IRS visit, two IRS business audits, two IRS personal audits, and inspections of her equipment manufacturing company by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the U.S. Department of Labor Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and Texas environmental quality officials.

      Taken alone, any of the visits and actions might seem perfectly reasonable. But Engelbrecht and her lawyer says it's the pattern and the timing of the attention paid to Engelbrecht's interests that led them to conclude something was amiss...

      The IRS’s Tea-Party Targeting

      IRS may have looked beyond 'tea party' and 'patriots'

      So far it looks like it may have been as many as 500-600 conservative groups. This is not good, at all. Some of what has been going on is way beyond acceptable for government behavior in the United States, or the West in general today.

      We don't have to get to Stalin / Mao / Pol Pot bad to say things have gone too far. Even the totalitarian regimes they headed didn't want to repeat the experience again.

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    53. Re:It is truly sad... by Toonol · · Score: 1

      I suspect this is a joke. If so, well done.

    54. Re: It is truly sad... by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      This.

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    55. Re:It is truly sad... by buybuydandavis · · Score: 1

      Vote Progressives - We're Not as Bad as Stalin.

    56. Re:It is truly sad... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Oh, and also because she was ironically quoting GOP strategist Lee Atwater, but you missed that while you were watching the Glenn Beck show - probably because his out-of-context attack didn't mention that key tidbit.

      . . . Here, you should try reading this:

      Why read misleading commentary when you can watch her and figure it out for yourself? Or does that not suit your purpose?

      Remember this... Anita Dunn On Mao

      She isn't quoting Lee Atwater, she is quoting Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong. Were all of the Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Truman, JFK, Reagan, Clinton, Churchill, Thatcher, Ghandi, Lord Beaverbrook, or even de Gaulle quotes used up? There was no other leader with a quote to illustrate that point besides Mao? If Lee Atwater in truth played any role in this at all, it was in the vanishingly small part of making her aware of the quote in some unknown context 20 odd years ago, which you apparently think is a smoking gun. But either way she was still the one that chose to use it in 2009, wasn't she? It is a very long stretch to try to attribute this in any way to something which may or may not have been uttered during the Reagan administration. Get real.

      Or maybe it's because it's not "one of Obama's close advisers", but one of his debate coaches that served as White House communications director for 7 months.

      Yes, she was the White House Communications Director, the person who is responsible for projecting the public face of the administration of President of the United States Barack Obama. You would think that would be just the person who shouldn't be quoting the leader of a nation that managed to kill approximately 70 million people, for which he bore no small responsibility, regarding political wisdom to use in guiding one's actions. I've noticed most White House Communications Directors have been able to stay away from quotes by Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Tojo, Hitler, Castro, and Ho Chi Minh for quite some time now, so why not Mao?

      Unlike you, I'm willing to enlighten a dim-witted mind.

      You seem to be getting ahead of yourself.

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    57. Re:It is truly sad... by buybuydandavis · · Score: 1

      They don't get cheered for much now, now. But back when it mattered? You bet.

      Just like eugenics. All the rage with the left in the early 20th century. After the Nazis get crushed - not so much.

    58. Re:It is truly sad... by buybuydandavis · · Score: 1

      The Left is much more chummy with Iran than the Right. True to form, with the communist totalitarians in the dustbin of history, Islamic totalitarianism is the new darling of the left. Back to the Cave theocratic totalitarianism - now that's Progress!

    59. Re:It is truly sad... by skyraker · · Score: 1

      No it is not. Nixon essentially authorized robbery, something that is completely against the law. Then he refused to turn over recordings from his office that he was told to by the Court system. Then he threatened to fire the Special Prosecuter investigating Watergate unless he stopped the investigation. So, you have conspiracy to commit a crime, failure to obey a court order, and retribution. What does Obama have? Nothing. There isn't evidence the White House is involved (no matter how you feel about the matter) and it is still debatable if what ONE IRS office did is even illegal.

    60. Re:It is truly sad... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The problem is all this activism on both sides is becoming more personal. All this dehumanizing our elected leaders, expecting them to live at an unrealistic standard, only creates more corruption or more radicalization.

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    61. Re:It is truly sad... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The idea of 0 corruption, would make our government ineffective.
      We actually need an appropriate level of it for the us to work.
      Lets use the "Fair Bidding practices". Sure it sounds like we will always get the best value... But how much time and bickering will it take to try to weed thru thousands of proposals. vs. picking the guy you worked with before and was happy with them.
      But it crosses the line when that guy you worked with before pays you money, or "Gifts" to choose them.

      The idea of 0, only works in math. In real life 0 doesn't happen too often. The trick is to get the correct balance.

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    62. Re:It is truly sad... by norminator · · Score: 1

      And also, there is at least some anecdotal evidence that progressives do indeed support IRS bullying of political speech so long as it isn't their speech.

      Seriously? Do you not realize that people on either side do indeed support government "bullying of political speech so long as it isn't their speech?" As much as people like Glenn Beck like to say "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it," the truth is, those same people would (and do) hang their opposition by their words at the first opportunity. If they had the government on their side, they would be happy to do it more.

      I always think it's funny when people on either side of the aisle pretend that their own side is the moral side, and would always stand up for values regardless of the situation. There are people on all sides who would do that. And then there are plenty on both sides who do the opposite.

    63. Re: It is truly sad... by rockout · · Score: 2

      I think you missed that poster's point; in earlier decades nobody in the white house would have tolerated a chairman Mao ornament on the Christmas tree. This administration not only tolerated it but it was consistent with the comments of one of their communications people... Anita Dunn was caught on tape singing the praises of chairman Mao.

      No, that might be your point. The original poster's point (read it) was to advance the idea that the "media" praises and fawns over Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao, and that proof of that is provided by a tiny piece of one tree ornament, out of 800, with a picture of Mao on part of it - totally out of context; you have no idea if the ornament had a theme or what that theme might be, but your "everything Democrat is Communist" attitude doesn't allow for any kind of actual analytical thinking. Much like your Anita Dunn comment - you don't know that she was quoting GOP strategist Lee Atwater because whatever blog you picked up that smear from didn't bother to mention it either.

      You're all alike. Take whatever tidbit you can out of context, throw them all against the wall and claim that's proof of whatever wacky conspiracy theory you're advancing. Meanwhile, you lost the ability to have a logical thought long ago, because you only read that which supports your already-concrete view of how things are and should be. A shitload of people disagree with you, and quite of few of them view you as a nutcase. It's highly unlikely that you're smarter and more well-informed than ALL of them, isn't it?

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    64. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, you hate hypocrisy from the right, too. I'm sure you can provide tons of examples of that. oh, wait, you can't, because you're a moronic Fox-news junkie with a daily side of Drudge to feed your right-wing addiction. idiot.

    65. Re: It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be down-modded just for posting an as AC and then logging in to say "this" in reply. Asshole.

    66. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think only hacks care about it, that says a lot about you.

      And if you don't care about the dead over there, then let us all hope you're left dead in a drainage ditch, with the police giving zero fucks for you.

    67. Re:It is truly sad... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      You do realize how silly it is for the government to be required to ask itself for a warrant right? That's like a home schooled kid having to ask his parent to sign his grade card. It's nonsense.

      So the system of checks and balances that our entire system is built on is worthless? I disagree. I disagree wholeheartedly.

    68. Re:It is truly sad... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Exactly! A good man at the top cannot prevent a bad person from doing wrong. They can make sure they don't keep doing wrong, and that seems to have been addressed.

    69. Re: It is truly sad... by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

      You're no different, just coming from the other side. At least the other guy didn't act like a total prick.

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    70. Re:It is truly sad... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      You are correct. The media has not changed so much.

      They are more effective, and more successful, at their efforts.

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    71. Re: It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that's a piece of artwork? One that's hanging at the art institute.

      http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/47149

    72. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current IRS flap

      By 'flap', do you mean investigating political organizations filing for non-profit status - something which is illegal for political organizations? In other words, Conservatives consider targeting political groups trying to defraud the government as a 'flap.'

    73. Re:It is truly sad... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "I must be quick to point out that nobody in the media or universities of this dimension praises Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot."

      You are incorrect. On all three counts.

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    74. Re:It is truly sad... by adamz_myth · · Score: 1

      Nixon, if he ran today, couldn't get elected, much less get a few votes. He just wasn't RINO enough.

    75. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nixon resigned when his GOP colleagues told him that there were enough votes in both houses to impeach him. Watergate was (among other things) a president personally using the FBI and CIA to obstruct justice while he lied about being involved in either the planning of the crime or the cover up of it, for both of which he was actively "in the loop". Not to mention the extortion the Committee to Reelect the President performed on large industrial firms to raise money for Nixon's campaign: "That's a nice TV station you've got there; it would be a shame to see the FCC come down on you like a ton of bricks."

      That is a clear definition of a constitutional crisis. Nothing Obama (or Clinton for that matter) have done rises to anything near that level of importance.

      Read some history. Get some perspective.

    76. Re:It is truly sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >four dead guys in Benghazi

      US diplomatic missions are attacked on average every 2.4 years since the 1920s. It happened (with deaths) several times under Bush II; where was your outrage then?

      And if you can't grasp that the "talking points" were carefully vetted as part of operational security so we wouldn't let the bad guys know what we knew, then I bet you play poker with all your cards turned up so your opponents can see them, too.

    77. Re:It is truly sad... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the laugh. I don't watch tv news, except during major events like the Boston attack. And as far as being right wing, I voted for the Green Party candidate last fall. You probably don't even know who that was, and yet still hate them for taking some votes from president Obama.

      But, hey, you were spot on about Drudge. I just followed links from there to stories about storm chasers and a murderous bouncer.

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                                                                                                                (That's sarcasm, in case you can't tell.)

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    78. Re:It is truly sad... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Unlike you, I'm willing to enlighten a dim-witted mind.

      You seem to be getting ahead of yourself.

      Maybe he means he is shining a flashlight into his ear.

      Then the question would be "Is the flashright to the right or the left of him?".

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    79. Re: It is truly sad... by rockout · · Score: 1

      Until you can show me an example of me taking a quote or factoid totally out of context (or rather, acting like a parrot because he didn't even come up with it) to advance a political agenda, I'd disagree with your "you're no different" playground slam. Thanks for contributing, though.

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    80. Re: It is truly sad... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Much like your Anita Dunn comment - you don't know that she was quoting GOP strategist Lee Atwater because whatever blog you picked up that smear from didn't bother to mention it either.

      I think we covered that here. Your point is misleading rubbish.

      The original poster's point (read it) was to advance the idea that the "media" praises and fawns over Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao,...

      Anita Dunn referred to Mao as one of her "favorite political philosophers," You can hear and watch her say that here.

      A shitload of people disagree with you, and quite of few of them view you as a nutcase. It's highly unlikely that you're smarter and more well-informed than ALL of them, isn't it?

      If you're talking Slashdot, yes, that can certainly happen, i.e. the mob is wrong, as are you.

      Don't confuse high moderation with actually being correct on a matter.

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    81. Re:It is truly sad... by maugle · · Score: 1

      The Left is much more chummy with Iran than the Right. True to form, with the communist totalitarians in the dustbin of history, Islamic totalitarianism is the new darling of the left. Back to the Cave theocratic totalitarianism - now that's Progress!

      True, the left is more chummy with Iran than the right, but only because anything is more chummy than declaring "they're part of an axis of eeeeeevil!"

      By the by, blanket statements comdenming groups of people as "evil" come most frequently from the mouths of those favoring theocratic totalitarianism.

  2. Unfortunately, this is illegal. by tysonedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, there is an expectation of privacy inside one's office, and secondly Kentucky is a one party notify state when it comes to recording, so one party to the discussions taking place in the office needed to know that they were being recorded. Public records searches don't apply here.

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    1. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      No, public officials do not have an expectation of privacy at any time they are performing their official duties.

    2. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      First, they were talking loud enough to be heard in the hallway through a closed door. The recording was made _in the hallway_ on a friggin' camera phone.

    3. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by fermion · · Score: 2
      This is the kind of expectation of privacy that naive kids have. They think if they post a terrorist plot on facebook, and their facebook is private, that they have an expectation of privacy. They don't. Your friends can see you facebook, it isn't private.

      Here is something to ponder. If you have sex, in front of an open window, in your home, is there an expectation of privacy? Are we going to arrest someone for filming the act? If you are talking so loud in a closed door meeting that everyone can here you, is there an expectation of privacy? I don't know. I have closed door meetings all the time, and we speak in tones that don't let others know what we are talking about. But I think legally it would be the equivalent to recording a private conversation in private club.

      Additionally, I do not see fraud. He did not edit the tape to make it sound like something criminal activity was going on in the office. He merely recorded and released what actually happened. The consensus is it did not harm to the senator.

      My main concern is that we have a senator that is not competent enough to keep conversations private and requires the taxpayer to clean up his garbage.

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    4. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting that even public officials are not allowed to take a lunch break and have a personal phone call or have a friend stop by for a few between appointments?

    5. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your post is a red herring. He wasn't engaged in official duties as a US Senator at the time. He was in his campaign headquarters discussing his reelection campaign with his campaign staff.

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    6. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by spire3661 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An elected official, in his appointed office should have absolutely ZERO expectation of privacy while in it. That office belongs to the PEOPLE, not him.

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    7. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Totalitarian yet schizophrenic shit like this is what bugs me so much about the US. First you want total personal privacy (a good thing), yet you readily scream for the surveillance of others.

      Because Americans, and this has been shown in studies, have forgotten what personal trust relationships and being nice to each other for the greater good means. They have become the prime example of a dog-eat-dog society where nobody trusts nobody anymore.

      That's not nice. "Even" public officials are still humans. And you can't just magically separate private personality and professional job, nor should you ever attempt to, as it is utterly absurd ignorant nonsense.

      Whatever somebody does in his work, is a reflection on his *whole* self. So whatever he does, inherently contains personal things. Anything else is a neurological impossibility.

      Hence while a public official, just like any other employee, has to report to his boss... (in this case, the citizens of his country) ...he STILL has a right to to be under 24/7 constant 1984-style surveillance with a horse cock probe up his ass.

      Maybe if you would manage to even ONCE not put your own worst enemies in power above you, or ACTUALLY rise up and kick some ass if they try to force you to accept somebody you don't like, (first and foremost the asses of all those secretive TLAs that inject agents provocateurs, socially engineered disinformation and false flag conflict creators into every uprising [see: Occupy movement, Wikileaks, any but the two big "parties"])... maybe then you wouldn't have to put your "elected" officials under Stalin-like surveillance.

    8. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you admit that he performed the illegal recording? Excellent! That is a good start. It is strange that you think that the means to record the conversations would matter. Would doing it on a cassette recorder make it worse or better in your mind? Hint: It would still be illegal, regardless of the technology. The point of law is that a recording of a private conversation was made, not the technology used to make it. The "but it was just on a camera phone that also can digitally record voice" exception hasn't made it into law yet, and probably never will.

    9. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Bartles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really? So are you also calling for the release of the minutes of all meetings in the Oval Office, the IRS, the State Department, and the DOJ?

    10. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Interesting

      An elected official working in his private campaign headquarters discussing this reelection campaign with his campaign staff does have an expectation of privacy while in it. That was the case here. Your post has nothing to do with this situation. I also doubt that your point even holds true in general as even public officials discuss confidential matters not for public release.

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    11. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it illegal? Kentucky is a one party notifier state, so they didn't need to be notified.

      It's just like wifi. If you're in range of hearing/connecting, then it's fair game to listen in. Just because they had the door closed and were still shouting loud enough to be heard through it doesn't change anything.

    12. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because zero parties were notified

    13. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by stanlyb · · Score: 1

      You mean that the accused was an ANDROID? or even worst, ALIEN?

    14. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

      I think elected officials should have live feed AV cameras attached to their bodies 24/7. Yes, even when pooping or having marital (or other) relations.

      It's the only way to stop the backroom deals and power exchanges, which is why these people seek office in the first place.

      No, I am serious. 100% coverage. This extends for 2 years before an election and 1 year after.

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    15. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by ATestR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? So are you also calling for the release of the minutes of all meetings in the Oval Office, the IRS, the State Department, and the DOJ?

      Yes.

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    16. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by khallow · · Score: 1

      The accused was not a member to the conversation that they recorded. Neither party was notified of the recording.

    17. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Cali+Thalen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Totalitarian yet schizophrenic shit like this is what bugs me so much about the US. First you want total personal privacy (a good thing), yet you readily scream for the surveillance of others.

      Seems to me like he wants people he likes (himself, liberals, etc.) to have total privacy to do whatever they want, but he wants people he doesn't like (republicans/conservatives) to be constantly recorded and harassed.

      And BTW, that isn't remotely an American ideology.

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    18. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that even public officials are not allowed to take a lunch break and have a personal phone call or have a friend stop by for a few between appointments?

      Are you suggesting that they have friends?

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    19. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Really? So are you also calling for the release of the minutes of all meetings in the Oval Office, the IRS, the State Department, and the DOJ?

      Of course... the problem here is the guy was not in his "elected" office, he was in his campaign headquarters. But yes, those official meetings should not just have the minutes released, they should be broadcast live, and our elected officials should NOT be allowed to meet in private except in cases of national security - even then it should be recorded and released at a later date.

      Too bad the man who promised the most transparency has been one of the least transparent presidents ever.

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    20. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      As entertaining as it might be, their bathrooms and bedrooms should be off-limits.

      But ever dollar they receive in help, both direct and indirect, should be fully disclosed as to source. Any money spent for political ads or mailings of any kind should be directly attributable to whomever funded it. No anonymous donors or political action committees without donor lists. That's not to say there should not be anonymous political speech. But there should not be anonymous money. That would solve a large part of the problem.

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    21. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Is a private citizen required to give up their expectations of privacy in order to petition their representative in Congress?

    22. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which irrelevant in this case. Try reading the article.

    23. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? Anything not classified should be public.

    24. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by epyT-R · · Score: 0

      Yes. Every. Single. One. Obama did promise us an 'open government.' Of course, he's as full of shit as george bush was. The fact the IRS and the DOJ apparently consider the US citizen an enemy of the state by default suggests we have a real problem brewing.

    25. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      1. questioning the true intentions of authority figures is not paranoia. There are ample examples in history showing what happens when we don't. While these people are serving in a public office, yes, I think they should be required to give up most of their privacy. All meeting minutes should be placed in the public domain (hey the tax payer is the one paying for this). Any official caught trying to prevent this should be canned immediately, and depending on the severity, tried for treason and shot. This will encourage the right kind of people to run for office in the first place.

      2. What studies? Done by whom? Which americans? 'Greater good' is socialist rhetoric..and no, claiming this is not paranoia either, nor the same thing as an inability to trust. This has to do with being FORCED to trust organizations with irrelevant personal info in order to function in society. Socialists think that people naturally can live in one giant commune and get along just like they can do in small groups, but the reality is that this just doesn't scale. Those little differences between individuals and groups add up real quick, no matter how much the socialist state tries to homogenize the culture. Look what this process did to the soviet satellite states. After 70 years of 'glorious' communism cooked them from the inside, the only thing holding them together was the iron curtain. When it was gone, the societies rapidly devolved. If anything, the reasons behind americans' cynicism and 'paranoia' are similar to the reasons why russian culture now has the same reputation.

      3. That's right, they are human. However, only few can handle leadership and not succumb to abuse of power. The authors of the US constitution knew this and that's why it was written the way it was. It has nothing to do with being 'nice.' 'Nice' people have no place in leadership positions: they're too easily compromised. 'Nice' wastes money. 'Nice' plays favorites. 'Nice' gets special favors done in high places at the expense of liberty. Washington culture today is primed and ready to 'compromise' us all right off a cliff, both in domestic and foreign affairs. The last thing america needs is more of that feelings-over-facts, and consensus-over-truth style leadership that runs rampant in socialist regimes.

      4. 'Reflection of his whole self'? Rhetorical nonsense. I assume you're talking about the public official? These people need to have skins on their backs.. "Leave britney allonuhh" types have no place in leadership roles. In fact, the feminization of modern culture is breeding more and more of these kinds of people every day, which is a key source of the extreme reactions seen. People need to toughen up a bit, not be 'nicer.'

      5. Hey, these officials seem to be saying this is what joe citizen should have to put up with. Why not them too? Of course, the answer is to remove the surveillance, defend the border, and reinstate the bill of rights in full force, but these, too are deemed politically incorrect.. How useful and helpful it is to sympathize with the needs and feelings of illegal invaders over that of tax paying citizens. They call it stockholm syndrome for a reason...or maybe certain political groups are looking for a horde of willing voters (once they get them citizenship).

      6. Well, I agree with this one, but it contradicts much of what you said above.

    26. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Bartles · · Score: 1

      I was looking at yesterday's New York Times at dinner with friends today. What's the IRS and the DOJ, and what exactly are you referring to?

    27. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      It's not a one PERSON notification law, it's a one PARTY notification law. If you're not a PARTY TO THE CONVERSATION, i.e. not being talked to, you're not allowed to record the conversation.

      Otherwise, you could just tell some troll on Slashdot that you were going to record someone, and then go do it, and privacy laws would never protect anyone.

    28. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      First, there is an expectation of privacy inside one's office, and secondly Kentucky is a one party notify state when it comes to recording, so one party to the discussions taking place in the office needed to know that they were being recorded. Public records searches don't apply here.

      His office? The location was a regional campaign headquarters with noone sitting at the reception desk (after an alleged press conference) and Sen. Mitch McConnell was having an all-hands meeting in a conference room with a window opened into the hallway.

      Granted, that Senator may still have had an expectation of privacy, but the Kentucky statute for eavesdropping is certainly not on his side for this one.

      A conversation which is loud enough to be heard through the wall or through the heating system without the use of any device is not protected by the statute, since a person who desires privacy can take the steps necessary to ensure that his conversation cannot be overheard by the ordinary ear. Ky. Rev. Stat. Ann. 526.020.

      Nor is the other statute for hidden cameras any help to the Senator either, since it explicitly narrows itself to "unattended hidden cameras" (see pdf), not hidden cameras on one's person.

      So not only it was the right idea for the blogger activist to use a handheld flip-cam to record the words from the politician (at least for Kentucky), but that entire recording may be the only thing that ends up saving him since its obvious flaws in audio are evidence that the recorder was of cheap quality and wasn't ever stationary -- nor left unattended, and the video part is the only reliable proof that he wasn't trespassing and that the conference room window was open.

      Had he had not this video recording of himself doing this, he would probably be in jail right now for trespassing, for wiretapping, and probably for a hundred different false crimes thought up by the Senator's team.

    29. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by fnj · · Score: 1

      It's not a one PERSON notification law, it's a one PARTY notification law. If you're not a PARTY TO THE CONVERSATION, i.e. not being talked to, you're not allowed to record the conversation.

      Otherwise, you could just tell some troll on Slashdot that you were going to record someone, and then go do it, and privacy laws would never protect anyone.

      Your post is completely incomprehensible. You start out on the right track and then go completely off the rails. I'll spell it out for you so you can understand. Assume we have a one party notify jurisdiction. Joe and Harry are the two parties. They are talking to each other. Tom is in a position to record the conversation. He tells Joe he is going to do so, then goes ahead and records. He has fulfilled the law in that jurisdictionb (absent other provisions of course). Tom has told Joe so Tom does not have to tell Harry. Joe might tell Harry, or he might not. The law does not say either Tom or Joe has to tell Harry.

      Does it sound like a dumbass law? You bet it does. A both party notify law makes more sense. But it is what it is. Take it up with the legislature.

    30. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by swalve · · Score: 1

      There is not an expectation of privacy in the hallway, however. If this guy was in the hallway and could hear what was going on inside the office, the people in the office were responsible for speaking too loudly.

    31. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      For the expectation of privacy to hold, your must talk softly enough that your voice does not carry beyond your local environs. Tricky one this, bugging is a very false description. Dependent upon signs at the door, trespass is very likely, recording of a private conversation is of limited criminal value but certainly open to civil prosecution. As for those that published the transcripts, they certainly crossed the line if they knew how the discussion was captured and should not have published it except as perhaps a reference to a blog. That they will be subject to civil prosecution a certainty should Mitch McConnell lose office, Mother Jones is in trouble and better be all lawyered up.

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    32. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Assuming you aren't going for sarcasm or irony given that the New York Times has generally been fans of the Obama administration and provided what could be called "friendly" coverage (although it may be more apt to describe it in military terms as "covering fire")...

      IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups During 2012 Election
      Medical Firm Sues IRS For 4th Amendment Violation In Records Seizure
      US Government Monitoring Associated Press Phone Records

      www.irs.gov - Tax collectors
      www.justice.gov - Department of Justice

      Good general resource for more info: National Review & the Weekly Standard.

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    33. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that was sarcastic irony. I scanned the whole paper, and there was literally no mention. This is the paper that ran 2 months of front page news on Valerie Plame. Thanks for posting, I think there are a few others here that could use the info.

    34. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      No problem. With an audience that is both international and prone to being "nose to the grindstone" for long periods of time, you can't always make assumptions. It is a pity though that the "Newspaper of Record" can best be characterized with sarcastic irony in terms of its coverage, as you point out. It brings this to mind. Have a great week.
       

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    35. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      OK, so which party to the conversation between a Republican Senator and his political staff authorized a liberal hack to come in and record them for the purpose of attacking them? Who plays the part of Joe in your analogy?

      The parent of my original post claimed that because the Progress Kentucky guy could hear the conversation, he was allowed to record it. (OK, fine, "authorize himself to record" it.) That's false and a dangerous precedent.

    36. Re:Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if this wasn't his private campaign headquarters, he would still have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Believe it or not, politicians need to be frank from time to time, but they can't do that if they have reason to believe that their words will be distributed, twisted, and taken out of context by the broader public (and especially the media). A system where politicians have no means of confidential communication would introduce even more gridlock than already exists in Congress, and that's saying something.

    37. Re: Unfortunately, this is illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The conversation included how to have tax-payer funded Congressional staff illegally do work for McConnell's election campaign's head of opposition research.

      Yeah, just a typical private chat between friends over lunch.

  3. Re:This is shocking by bmo · · Score: 1, Troll

    Referencing both Fox *and* the Moonie paper?

    Get out.

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  4. Yeah, Ethically sound by waddgodd · · Score: 1

    Let's see, this puts him in the same ethical category as E Howard Hunt, Charles Colson, G Gordon Liddy, Virgilio Gonzalez, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martinez, and Frank Sturgis. What could possibly go wrong with that?

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    1. Re:Yeah, Ethically sound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that he wasn't "bugging" the office, the was standing outside and recording what he was overhearing.

    2. Re:Yeah, Ethically sound by waddgodd · · Score: 1

      And the room that McCord, Sturgis, et al were found in was the public reception area and not the actual offices where planning went on in (it's not as easy to tape locks open of personal offices, the person locking tends to check those doors for actual locking function more often, as they have personally valuable stuff in them), so that logic could have been applied there as well.

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  5. News For Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This story belongs to politico or any number of political blogs. Why in the fuck is this story on a site that is ostensibly news for nerds???
    There is no nerd angle here whatsoever.

    1. Re:News For Nerds by Deluvianvortex · · Score: 1

      Because nerds like politics too?

    2. Re:News For Nerds by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Maybe it's because they bugged his office, that would be a tech thing I suppose. Yeah....it's a stretch I know.

    3. Re:News For Nerds by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Slashdot has become politicized well beyond any normal nerditis. Perhaps they're fishing to see how egregious a behavior will get defended, or attacked, depending on which "side" the offender is on?

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    4. Re:News For Nerds by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      An audio video recording device being operated is hardly as technical as leaving a microphone in the ceiling light.

      I agree this is purely political and not even journalism.

    5. Re:News For Nerds by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      This story belongs to politico or any number of political blogs. Why in the fuck is this story on a site that is ostensibly news for nerds???
      There is no nerd angle here whatsoever.

      Any more than these?

      Declassified LBJ Tapes Accuse Richard Nixon of Treason
      FBI Wiretapped Hemingway
      Girls Bugged Teachers' Staff Room
      High-Tech Squirrels Trained to Conduct Espionage
      DOJ Fights To Bury Court Ruling On Government Surveillance

      There are plenty more, just search on surveillance or wiretap.

      Over the years, Slashdot has covered stories from the silly to the sublime. The tag was: New for nerds, stuff that matters.

      The fact that a major political figure has been secretly recorded in a manner made possible with modern technology with the intention of trying to influence the election by an organization that previously embarrassed itself on Twitter is clearly something that matters, as attested to by the coverage on various news sites on the web - that you want them to go to. I think this story might be a bit more significant than kids recording their teachers in the lounge, don't you? You must think it is significant as well, since there are plenty of other stories on Slashdot that you could comment on, but you are commenting on this one instead of ignoring it. Why might that be?

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    6. Re:News For Nerds by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Because the admins of Slashdot are too fucking lazy to actually read submissions, check the links, and run a spell/grammar check. Instead we get random shit like this or blatant advertisements for the "most extreme usb drive ever".

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    7. Re:News For Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One day, young grasshopper, you will learn that large media companies exist to either generate revenue, or push a viewpoint.

    8. Re:News For Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of world do you think we are living in?
      E*V*E*R*Y*T*H*I*N*G (including the weather) is being politicized. Why should /. be any different?

  6. It could be worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it said "Activist Admits To Buggering US Senate Minority Leader".

    1. Re:It could be worse. by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      In corporatist America, politicians bugger you.

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  7. Re:This is shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes because Fox News has nothing true on it. MSNBC is the place to be for an unbiased experience.

    Get a CAT scan. Something is damaged inside your head.

  8. What a lie of a story and headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bugging ?

    The voices were coming from the other side of a nearby door, which had a window. I pulled out my Flip camera and started to record.
    I don’t need to tell you what a weapon the pocket video camera has become."

    1. Re:What a lie of a story and headline by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I always thought that was defined as eavesdropping. Maybe because he recorded it. Still and all he never entered the office. I'm not sure if what he did was illegal or not. I guess the lawyers will have fun with it.

    2. Re:What a lie of a story and headline by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Depending on location, it is illegal to record a conversation between two parties without those parties' knowledge. In some states, both parties are required to know, in other only one is required. That is why many video surveillance systems don't have sound capabilities. These are the laws many video peepers and upskirt video shooters were prosecuted under because there was nothing on the books about shooting video.

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    3. Re:What a lie of a story and headline by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Bugging ?

      The voices were coming from the other side of a nearby door, which had a window. I pulled out my Flip camera and started to record.
      I don’t need to tell you what a weapon the pocket video camera has become."

      Yes bugging.

      Covert listening device
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      (Redirected from Bugging)

      A covert listening device, more commonly known as a bug or a wire, is usually a combination of a miniature radio transmitter with a microphone. The use of bugs, called bugging, is a common technique in surveillance, espionage and in police investigations.

      A bug does not have to be a device specifically designed for the purpose of eavesdropping.

      He was covert - nobody talking knew he was there. Nobody in the discussion knew or consented to their discussion being recorded. (Aren't we big on consent here?) He didn't commit the conversation to memory or paper. Instead used a recording device with a built-in microphone and digital recording capability - nothing says it can't be hand held. Maybe you think it is only bugging if a radio transmitter is used, but no, that isn't required. (Although if you want to get technical about it, the device he used is a radio transmitter and digital recorder.)

      From the same source:

      On the other line was the source who first let me know about the HQ opening. He told me I had missed the launch, pronouncing the donuts cheap and stale and the coffee cold, but the meeting was still going. And he told me the location of the headquarters: the second floor of a building named Watterson Towers.

      We headed over.

      The front door to the office building was unlocked, and there was no one behind the reception desk. Walking down the hall of the second floor, I recognized McConnell’s voice. He was talking about Sen. Rand Paul’s strategic use of the Tea Party in procuring his 2010 election.

      The voices were coming from the other side of a nearby door, which had a window. I pulled out my Flip camera and started to record.

      I don’t need to tell you what a weapon the pocket video camera has become. Bartender Scott Prouty changed the trajectory of the entire 2012 election when he captured Mitt Romney in his now classic “47 percent” speech. You just never knew when a politician was going to open his mouth and accidentally reveal his true agenda. And as I held my Flip up to the window, that’s what I was hoping for, but I soon realized that the video I was capturing was the back of a projection screen, and only the audio was of value. So I held the Flip closer to the door vent instead of the window, and began recording the 11:45 minutes of footage later released by Mother Jones.

      I was sweating. My heart was racing. . . .

      Shawn was already there. We made our escape.

      They sneaked into a building, turned their phones into bugs to surreptitiously record private discussions, and then escaped. Now he faces a grand jury, and you're baffled, or is that bugged?

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    4. Re:What a lie of a story and headline by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      Yep - that constitutes bugging. They were behind a door, meaning they had an expectation of privacy. If they were doing it out in the open then bugging would be much harder to prove.

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    5. Re:What a lie of a story and headline by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      KY is a single-party recording state.
      At least one of the parties to a recording must be aware the recording is taking place.

      It's about as cut and dried illegal as can be.

      Even if your target's an asshole. (shrug)

      But then zealots always have reasons that the rules don't apply to them, right?

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    6. Re:What a lie of a story and headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment is in essence a lie. You lie through misdirection and omission. Why didn't you include more of the story? Because it would have punctured your lie like a cheap tire.

    7. Re:What a lie of a story and headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But then zealots always have reasons that the rules don't apply to them, right?"

      Like the zealots in charge, right?

  9. This man has rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    And he has a right to expose the corruption that exists in our government!

    1) Benghazi
    2) IRS targeting American citizens (AKA the enemies of the State)
    3) Stealing phone records from the AP (because it's important to know who is leaking information, am I right? who gives a shit about freedom of speech/the press)
    4) Attorney General Eric Holden
    5) Fast and Furious (because those Mexican cartels really needed all those weapons)
    6) HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate
    7) The General Services Administration in 2010 held an $823,000 training conference in Las Vegas, featuring a clown and a mind readers. Resulted in the resignation of the GSA administrator
    8) Republicans charged the Obama administration funded and promoted its poster boy for green energy despite warning signs the company was headed for bankruptcy. The administration also allegedly pressed Solyndra to delay layoff announcements until after the 2010 midterm elections
    9) The Justice Department was accused of using a racial double standard in failing to pursue a voter intimidation case against Black Panthers who appeared to be menacing voters at a polling place in 2008 in Philadelphia
    10) Obama may have violated the Constitution and both the letter and the spirit of the War Powers Resolution by attacking Libya without Congressional approval
    11) Vice President Biden’s office has repeatedly interfered with coverage, including forcing a reporter to wait in a closet, making a reporter delete photos, and editing pool reports
    12) President Obama was born in Kenya and doesn't have an authentic United States birth certificate

    1. Re:This man has rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had me up until #11.

      No way Biden knows you can delete photos.

    2. Re:This man has rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The IRS is independent. Has nothing to do with the president."

      So true. Mod parent up.

    3. Re:This man has rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IRS is an arm of Treasury. Treasury reports to the President. You fail.

    4. Re:This man has rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quoting the New York Times : "Federal law does include special provisions to ban presidential meddling in the I.R.S. It also gives the I.R.S. commissioner a 5-year term, which helps insulate the agency from the politics of the four-year presidential cycle.

      History also provides presidents with a reason never to mess with the I.R.S., given that President Richard Nixon’s fall from power involved misuse of the agency to harass political foes with unwarranted audits of their personal tax returns.

      By law and by practice, the Treasury keeps an arms-length relationship with the I.R.S. on matters of tax administration, enforcement and “process,” which basically means that it doesn’t ask the I.R.S. for information about taxpayers."

      http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/is-the-i-r-s-an-independent-agency/

    5. Re:This man has rights! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      12) President Obama was born in Kenya and doesn't have an authentic United States birth certificate

      Even assuming this were true, it's of no importance whatsoever - President Obama's mother was an American citizen, therefore her children are American citizens, no matter where they're born.

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    6. Re:This man has rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kindly fuck off. Your grasp of the Constitution is as weak as the birthers' grasp of reality. The President must be a "natural born citizen" -- a term whose exact meaning has never been decided in the Supreme Court. There are arguments that birth abroad to US parents does not qualify (in the past, US citizenship was not automatically granted to foreign births, and there's nonobvious implications to Congress' power: if their act granting citizenship to a class of people also grants "natural born citizenship", it suggests that they also have the power to remove natural born status from any class of citizens.) There's also arguments that anyone who was in fact a citizen from birth, under the laws at the time of their birth, that's good enough. And there's only two ways it will ever be resolved: (1) if people care enough, they could pass a constitutional amendment straightening it out with an unambiguous definition. (Of course, nobody cares that much.) Or (2) the Supreme Court can rule on it, and then we can presume with high confidence that any future Supreme Court rulings will follow that precedent.

      Had John McCain won the Presidency, or if there were any real evidence to support the Kenya Birther claim, this would be a matter which the Supreme Court would finally settle -- however, in the absence of the evidence to justify a trial, it remains unclear, because common law fuck yeah! or something.

  10. As a European, I'm confused... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2, Informative

    Recently, the group turned its attention to McConnell’s wife, former Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, with a focus on her race. ... In a Feb. 14 Twitter message, Progress says: "This woman has the ear of (Sen. McConnell)—she's his wife. May explain why your job moved to China!"

    So "China" is a race now? Are there many 19th century reporters in Louisville?

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    1. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It is kind of amusing. If it just wasn't so sad.

    2. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Are there many 19th century reporters in Louisville?

      Or have they not made it that far yet?

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    3. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It sounds like paranoia on his part. Fortunately, paranoia is treatable these days.

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    4. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asian is the race you retard. She's not even Chinese.

    5. Re: As a European, I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Islam" and "homosexuality" are a race now, so why not China?

      Racism charges are tossed around so flippantly now they are starting to mean nothing.

    6. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Informative

      Senator McConnell's wife is Chinese American. She was born in the Republic of China, commonly referred to as Taiwan, and came to the United States when she was eight years old. I guess you didn't read far enough into the story to pick up that Progressive Kentucky were drawing attention to the fact that she is Asian, specifically Chinese, and the implication that as US Secretary of Labor she had sent American jobs to China because she is Chinese by birth. Some might regard that as racist. I'm a little surprised you didn't catch on to that. Aren't Europeans generally held to be more sophisticated in such matters?

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    7. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I guess you didn't read far enough into the story to pick up that Progressive Kentucky were drawing attention to the fact that she is Asian, specifically Chinese, and the implication that as US Secretary of Labor she had sent American jobs to China because she is Chinese by birth. Some might regard that as racist

      Funny, to me it sounds like a paranoid accusation of divided loyalties. And yes, I've read it.

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    8. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      She's not even Chinese.

      According to her bio, she was born on Taiwan of Chinese parents. Due to this circumstance, some people might consider her Chinese. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, I'm just sayin'...

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    9. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't Europeans generally held to be more sophisticated in such matters?

      Fuck no! Not the statist fucks in Europe whom above all seek power and control for their own self enrichment. The "Truth" is a dangerous thing.

    10. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Xenophobia perhaps? We don't really have a word for this. She is an American citizen but the implication is that she was acting in the interests of her birth country, although the tweet didn't say if this was due to racism or patriotism. I think most people interpreted it to be racist due to the implication that he racially identifies with East Asians rather than white Americans, even though America isn't really that while... That's the narrative Progress' party is known for.

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    11. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Racism" is a joke now. It's the 2nd to last refuge of the coward. It has been so abused by the left as a political weapon that any REAL racism is lost.
      Criticize the President? Racist.
      Want a balanced budget? Racist.
      Don't want the government involved in healthcare? Racist.
      Don't want higher taxes? Racist.
      Want voter ID? Racist.
      Want right to work? Racist.
      Oppose gun rights? Racist.
      Want drug testing for welfare? Racist.
      Want a secure border? Racist
      Want immigration reform but not Amnesty? Racist
      Meanwhile, people on the left can imply a Chinese born woman will shop jobs to China, that Ted Cruz is "LINO" (Latino in name only) or "not hispanic enough". The left will call AA on the right "uncle tom's" and more.
      The left have decided they are the thought police that are exempt from the standards they set for others.

    12. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by athenaprime · · Score: 1

      I'm an american and I'm confused. Is the implication that the tweet is racist because it mentions jobs moving to China? From TFA, it didn't even mention McConnell's wife's surname being Asian, so it would be up to the reader of the tweet to parse the implication that an Asian person would move jobs to an Asian country.

      Or would it be more commonly inferred that a Secretary of Labor, no matter what his or her heritage, might have more to do with whether or not one's job moved to China. I mean, I always assumed that immigrants coming to America from other countries wanted the jobs to stay where they moved *to* and not where they moved *from.*

      This is an example of my honest confusion--something like this gets racist implications, but the reams and reams of articles, tweets, blograge, and talking heads suggesting the same thing (only substitute "Muslim" and "Kenyan") deserve Very Serious Consideration because National Security or something.

    13. Re:As a European, I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oppose gun rights? Racist.

      You forgot one:

      Support gun rights? Racist.

      - T

  11. Re:This is shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone that takes Fox News or MSNBC seriously is in need of a CAT scan.

  12. it's relevant that this was a campaign office by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    I think there's an argument that a truly open government would allow us to see what's going on in the public offices of the elected officials (I think that would also further decrease our ability to compromise, but that's a digression...).

    However, this was in a campaign office. That's not a public function, it's necessarily a private group which is (supposed to be) separate from the staff and work of the public office. Recording campaign discussions is just dirty politics, not looking out for the public good.

    1. Re:it's relevant that this was a campaign office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, the discussion being recorded was about the use of tax-payer funded Congressional staffers by McConnell's opposition researcher.

  13. What a moron... by sirwired · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What he did was neither ethical, legal, or even a remotely good idea. Even if your opponent is a prick. I cannot imagine in what universe he is inhabiting that he thinks that this was not going to get him in serious trouble (as well it should.) And under what journalistic ethical code is bugging somebody's office allowed?

    I'm no fan of Julian Assange (not because I think that wikileaks is illegal or immoral, rather because the way he handles it, and himself, is really poor...) but this isn't even remotely similar. The only inspiration he could have possibly drawn from Julian is a gigantic ego.

    1. Re:What a moron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe you should read the details of what he did before accusing him of things. Hint, he didn't actually bug anything. He heard a conversation through a closed door.

      It's no different than walking by your neighbors, hearing them having an argument and recording it.

      Or turning on your laptop, seeing your neighbor's wifi signal and using it.

    2. Re: What a moron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can find any electronic bugs in McConnell's offices that aren't from the CIA, please tell us.

    3. Re:What a moron... by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      I cannot imagine in what universe he is inhabiting

      It is long past time to have shed that naivety.

      Hate filled libtards like Morrison regard the very existence of Republicans as criminal. The guy released his stupid little recording thinking he had blown the lid on his enemies. The fact that almost nobody cared because all he actually had was boilerplate campaign activity was a complete surprise to him. Doubtless he is convinced that the reason for the general indifference is that we're all brainwashed corporate consumerdroids. Or something.

      The distance between reality and these people is profound and that fact should no longer be a surprise to any rational adult.

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      Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
    4. Re:What a moron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he did was neither ethical, legal, or even a remotely good idea. Even if your opponent is a prick. I cannot imagine in what universe he is inhabiting that he thinks that this was not going to get him in serious trouble (as well it should.) And under what journalistic ethical code is bugging somebody's office allowed?

      If this moron had recorded something serious. Something of the level of bribery or some kind of felony. Recording a private meeting illegally is justified. However, that's not the case here. Not even close.

    5. Re:What a moron... by amorsen · · Score: 1

      It's no different than walking by your neighbors, hearing them having an argument and recording it.

      Hearing it is fine. Recording it is a grey area. Sharing the recording or talking about what you heard is wrong.

      Now there are obviously exceptions to that, if you hear someone describing their murder plans, then you can certainly share that. In this case the public good (if any) that came from the release does not seem to outweigh the damage done.

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    6. Re:What a moron... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

      I suggest you check your local laws. Recording your neighbors having an argument without their knowledge and consent is almost certainly against the law.

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    7. Re:What a moron... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and how is this different from walking a drug detecting dog outside a suspected grow house?

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    8. Re:What a moron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And under what journalistic ethical code is bugging somebody's office allowed?

      Basically, he believes that conservatives are far worse than liberals, and since he does these things, conservatives must do far worse things, ergo he's entirely justified.

    9. Re:What a moron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should read the details of what he did before accusing him of things. Hint, he didn't actually bug anything. He heard a conversation through a closed door.

      And, hint, he carefully recorded it with an electronic device, which is, hint hint, bugging.

    10. Re:What a moron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you sir have enthusiastically ruined any hopes of anybody ever considering you to be a rational adult. There is lots of this going on in this thread it seems.

    11. Re:What a moron... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      He heard a conversation through a closed door.

      Yeah, except that he was trespassing. He wasn't allowed to be in the hallway he was in either. He snuck into the office suite and stood outside the door of the office that the meeting was in, because he was going to illegally record this meeting.

      It's no different than walking by your neighbors, hearing them having an argument and recording it.

      I don't know where you're from, but if it's not illegal to sneak onto your neighbors' property to record them having an argument, let me know where it is so I can stay the hell away.

  14. Re:This is shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just because one does not hold Fox News in high regard does not mean you view their politically opposed rivals as better.

    The fact we have to choose between left* and right leaning "news" shows how broken journalism has become (probably always was).

    The facts, or the "news" does not have any political agenda. The duty of journalists is to report what is actually going on, not endorsing the varying political agendas surrounding the facts.

    As a European, the left/right divide in the US news outlets is very much relative and always leaning heavily to the right. Both sides are corporate apologists, the key difference being only one side (openly) holds the poor in contempt. The other difference being, R or D in the White House is the decider in which side parrots the Government line this week. But one side is always uncritically reporting the Presidents/Federal actions.

  15. Conspiracy theory: by flayzernax · · Score: 0

    Note that this is completely unfounded. And a theory ;p I don't need a million arguments why I could be wrong, I already know them.

    But it is possible that this guy is a plant to defame people like Julian Assange. Or other geeks who may try similar tactics in desperation down the road.

    I do not condone this guys actions. He has damaged the reputation of everyone who speaks against the current political regime in everyones eyes.

    But please sane people of the world do not associate one mans behavior with another mans agenda far away despite what the press says. Julian and this guy are not even apples and oranges.

    1. Re:Conspiracy theory: by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No one is even talking about that in this thread but you. You are the only plant, and you appear to be rooted in an inadequate medium.

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    2. Re:Conspiracy theory: by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      Actually there are a few other posts criticizing the media's linking this in any form or fashion to Julian or Wiki leaks and not condoning this guys behavior. I just was bold enough to say that it may be more like this guy serving a greater agenda than flaming a republican campaign and doing it badly.

      At least even indirectly. So cry me a river if you don't see any humor in any of that or insight.

  16. You are deluge in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every thing that you have submitten here is a fabrication of a simple mind, possibly one that has schizophrenia. Or in lame man's terms, you are utterly insane.

    By mentioning Obama's alleged lack of a birth certificate, you have proven that every thing else said by you from the gecko is false and a lie. Nothing said by a stalk raven mad individual such as you can be taken seriously, and that proves that all the other accusations are false.

    You should be wearing a straitjacket, sir, and not be on the internet posting garbage. You are just mad because Obama won the election. Give it up, you sadsack. Rebel rousers like you deserve to be ridiculed and mocked for their utter stupidity. Quit drinking the cool aid, good sir. There is still hope for you.

    Vote for Obama in 2016. They say a President can't be elected 3 times. I challenge you all to to change the rules so He can be President for 3 times in a row. Maybe even 4 times in a row.

    1. Re:You are deluge in all by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      said by you from the gecko

      from the *get go* ?

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    2. Re:You are deluge in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      said by you from the gecko

      from the *get go* ?

      And yet you miss "deluge in all", "submitten", "lame man's terms", "stalk raven mad", "Rebel rousers", "cool aid"?
      (Correctly: "delusional", "submitted", "layman's terms", "stark raving mad", "Rabble-rousers", and "Kool-Aid", although the Jonestown beverage is actually believed to have been Flavor Aid)

      You fell for the old literacy troll.

  17. Whoops! by sirwired · · Score: 1

    I apologize; you are correct. I should have read all the linked articles. It's a grey area that the law will have to sort out. (I suspect it hinges on if he would have been considered trespassing at the time, and if the participants in the recorded meeting had a reasonable expectation of privacy.)

    1. Re:Whoops! by artor3 · · Score: 1

      And yet the damage is done. The original, incorrect comment is at +5. Tons of people will read it, and get the wrong idea, and never hear the correction. I don't particularly blame you, but this shows how quickly lies spread in the internet age. The truth doesn't stand a chance.

    2. Re:Whoops! by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your initial post was correct. The post you responded to relies on clever misdirection to, in effect, lie. The man facing an indictment by a grand jury didn't simply overhear a conversation through a door as he innocently passed by, he specifically went there based on an insider tip to secretly record their conversation without their consent, and violate their privacy. I don't think there is any real question about there being an expectation of privacy when engaged in private conversation behind closed doors in a private office in a private building. If the standard for privacy is, "can't be heard by hook or by crook," there will be nothing considered private.

      Once again, you were completely correct in your initial post.

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    3. Re:Whoops! by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      His initial post was correct. Tons of people should read it. The AC he responded to was misleading in what must be a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue.

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  18. What's the difference? by xyourfacekillerx · · Score: 1

    I don't want ANYONE to think it's EVER ethically or legally justifiable to bug my personal residence, or the personal residence of anyone else.

    How do people like this activist justify it for themselves, but disallow it for everyone else? You don't want to be spied on, but you can do some spying yourself?

    1. Re:What's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA

    2. Re:What's the difference? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      RTFA

      you can "bug" a residence outside the residence.. it's still illegally listening to what's being said. double so if you make a recording of it..

      hell, the guys could just claim that they OWN THE COPYRIGHT on it. then they could sue the guy for 100 million bucks(see, if a newspaper was willing to pay let's say 100 bucks for it then of course every illegal copy of it that the defendant enabled in this case is his fault, right? because that's how it works with mp3's ).

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  19. His campaign office doesn't belong to the PEOPLE by raymorris · · Score: 2

    While in his semester office, you mean? Assuming that were true, it elephant matter nectar this was a campaign meeting, at a private office, not his senate office. Personally, I think leaders should be able to have frank, honest discussions with advisors. I know that JFK's private consultations with his attorney general (and brother) helped avoid World War 3. For the consultations to be forthright, that means those discussions aren't public.

  20. Fox News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has become the frustrated-nerd outlet for Fox News.

    1. Re:Fox News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has become the frustrated-nerd outlet for Fox News.

      Except when the topic is copyrights and file sharing. On that one issue he's one of the Anonymous.

  21. Damn you autocorrect by raymorris · · Score: 1

    That post got mangled.

    While in his senate office, you mean? Assuming that were true, it wouldn't matter because this was a campaign meeting, at a private office, not his senate office. Personally, I think leaders should be able to have frank, honest discussions with advisors. I know that JFK's private consultations with his attorney general (and brother) helped avoid World War 3. For the consultations to be forthright, that means they aren't public, and therefore carefully worded for political purposes.

    1. Re:Damn you autocorrect by chihowa · · Score: 2

      I liked the original post better. This place would be much more awesome if discussions randomly devolved into elephant matter nectar.

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    2. Re:Damn you autocorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...and therefore carefully worded for political purposes."

      That's the problem. If all they're going to tell us is manufactured bullshit why listen to them at all or trust them to govern if they don't trust their boss, US!!

  22. So right 11 times, then full nutjob by raymorris · · Score: 1

    You wete do right on 1-11, then out comes the GIANT tinfoil hat for #12.

  23. False flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Progress Kentucky is a GOP plant to discredit Democrats and strengthen McConnell.

    1. Re:False flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just a lie, but a stupid lie. Progress Kentucky is a libtard operation through and through.

  24. I know a man who was threatened for murder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know a guy who married a scam artist. She threatened him for murder and confessed to a murder across state lines on the phone with him. When he brought this information in to the police, they arrested him! They told him it is illegal to record a phone conversation and refused to listen to it. When he was out of the house once, she had some guys rob him and left the state.

  25. Re:This is shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Fox went to court in Florida to defend the "right" to lie as news. They are the only news network to do so in the history of reporting. This is significant.

    Wrong! First, it was NOT FoxNews. It was a Fox affiliate. You know, the TV station that shows "Family Guy" and "The Simpsons"? Next, they never went to court to fight for the "right to lie as news". That was something that a blogger wrote on his blog in his "analysis" of the verdict.

    This case was about a story on BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone) in milk. Jane Akre and Steve Wilson were "journalists" who wrote a story about the dangers of BGH. The Fox Broadcasting Company station, WTVT in Tampa, Florida, was willing to air the story, but was also going to give Monsanto a chance to respond. This pissed Akre and Wilson off. They thought they would be allowed to report their story without any chance at giving the company that they were skewering a chance to respond. Akre and Wilson pulled their story and sued, arguing that Monsanto would just lie, and therefor should not be allowed to respond.

    Nowhere, did FoxNews, or even the Fox affiliate WTVT EVER claim that they had a right to lie.

    2. Shepard Smith (the only redeeming quality of Fox) is not enough to balance the derp.

    Next, on number 2, Shepherd Smith is not the only liberal on FoxNews. Bob Beckel, Mariah Liason, Juan Williams, Sally Kohn, Alan Colmes, Kristen Powers, Susan Estrich, Pat Caddell, Greta Van Sustren and many others are on FoxNews to represent the liberal perspective.

    Deal with it.

    I recommend that you take your own advice.

  26. Re:This is shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I bought a CueCat Scanner at a thrift shop for $1, I can lend it to anyone who needs it.

  27. It can happen here (and almost has) by govett · · Score: 1

    After WWII, Americans scoffed at the notion that something like Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union could happen here in America. Scoff no more, America. It could happen here. Morrison and millions like him are the reasons why.

    1. Re:It can happen here (and almost has) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, this is just like those two you mentioned.

      And I remember right after WWII ended whenever someone brought that up possibility, I used to scoff. Big scoff!

      *smirks*

    2. Re:It can happen here (and almost has) by thrich81 · · Score: 1

      Let's examine the event -- a private citizen associated with a group which opposes the party in power (remember, this is Progress KENTUCKY) secretly records a powerful government official and then releases the recordings for public review. So far, this sounds like the exact OPPOSITE of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. What unpleasant things will next happen to Morrison will determine how close the analogy turns out to be.

    3. Re:It can happen here (and almost has) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After WWII, Americans scoffed at the notion that something like Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union could happen here in America..

      Did we? I thought a man by the name of McCarthy kept the entire nation beliving that Stalin's Soviet Union was happening even as he stacked kindling around the pyre.

    4. Re:It can happen here (and almost has) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will come from both the Right and the Left. It is startling to me that the majority of people can not see what is so blindingly obvious.

    5. Re:It can happen here (and almost has) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd like to hear more facts from you. You are referring to HUAC (House of UnAmerican Activities Committe) while McCarthy was in the Senate. Perhaps you could list a SINGLE person McCarthy sought as a Communist that wasn't working at the State Department? Whats that? Truth got your tounge. You looked it up and found out the DNC was running HUAC and charging private citizens of such things and not McCarthy?

      Just like today the DNC uses the IRS and DOJ to attack private citizens, just as they did in McCarthy's time, just like they did to blacks in the 1960s, just like they did to keep slavery around in Lincoln's time. The DNC exists to suppress people and blame others for their crimes against humanity.

  28. Re:This is shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't exclusive to the US. Europe has it's own cesspits of newspapers. Like "DailyMail" for example. "The Times" is quite right leaning, "The Guardian" is more lefty. Or "Die Welt" and the "FAZ" in Germany. Pretty conservative. Germany's "TAZ" and "Junge Welt" are as lefty as it can be.

    Actually I don't know ANY newspaper that is truly neutral.

  29. Bugged? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So, let me get this straight. He didn't surreptitiously gain access to any area any random member of the public wouldn't have access to. He didn't plant any recording device to record in his absence. He stood outside a door and with a cel phone recorded what any passerby would have heard had they stopped to listen. Is that correct?

    That doesn't even sound particularly unethical to me. A bit sleazy, but then if McConnell's careless enough to have that kind of discussion where anyone in the hallway can overhear the problem doesn't lie with the people in the hallway listening.

    1. Re:Bugged? by quantaman · · Score: 2

      So, let me get this straight. He didn't surreptitiously gain access to any area any random member of the public wouldn't have access to. He didn't plant any recording device to record in his absence. He stood outside a door and with a cel phone recorded what any passerby would have heard had they stopped to listen. Is that correct?

      That doesn't even sound particularly unethical to me. A bit sleazy, but then if McConnell's careless enough to have that kind of discussion where anyone in the hallway can overhear the problem doesn't lie with the people in the hallway listening.

      I think this is where the phrase 'reasonable expectation of privacy' comes into play. If I'm behind a closed door in my campaign HQ I think I have a reasonable expectation of privacy, I could do more, but most people would think me paranoid.

      Now we usually think of bugging as recording something we can't hear ourselves, either because we can't be in the right location (ie planting a bug), or our hearing isn't sensitive enough (ie a parabolic mike), so ethically I don't think this is bugging. But the fact he recorded it makes it worse than eavesdropping, and as political dirty tricks go I'm comfortable with it being prosecuted.

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    2. Re:Bugged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're going to be challenged to explain how your last two sentences jibe. It doesn't make sense to call something "sleazy" but "ethical". Sleazy is the antithesis of ethical behavior.

    3. Re:Bugged? by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You didn't quite get it straight, so no, you aren't correct. His stated and only purpose for going to the building, based on an insider tip he received, was to secretly record the meeting of Senator McConnell's reelection committee without their consent. He went there on a holiday with an accomplice, snuck into the building, past an unmanned reception desk (as stated, it was a holiday), until he found Senator McConnell's office. He then used a hand-held device with a microphone and digital recording capability to record the conversations of Senator McConnell's committee for at least 12 minutes while holding his device to the door vent. They must have been at the door for even longer since they apparently checked what they were recording and made adjustments to their equipment, and changed their mind about how and what they were recording, going from an attempt to capture video to only audio. And how does he describe how he felt, and when he left?

      I was sweating. My heart was racing. . . . When a gentleman walked out of the campaign headquarters and into the hall, I put my Flip and phone back in my pocket, and headed to the elevator.

      Shawn was already there. We made our escape.

      He made his escape. Doesn't really sound innocent, does it? Do you think an ordinary passerby, that wasn't trespassing on a holiday to record the Senator's meeting, would linger with a recording device by a door for 20 minutes if it occurred on a normal business day at 2:00 PM? The fact that his recording device was his cell phone is completely irrelevant, and it is the recording that makes this a possible criminal offense.

      You don't find anything even mildly unethical about it? You think the problem isn't with the two intruders? It certainly appears to be direct violation of the law, probably more than one, hence the prosecutor and grand jury. As I indicated, I don't think you have this one straight.

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  30. Re:This is shocking by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    Anyone that reads only one news source is equally guilty, be it Democracy Now or Foxnews.

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  31. you asked and he answered yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now what?

    not everyone is "playing for a team," some of us are Americans first!

  32. Except this isn't BUGGING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bugging is planting a recording device clandestinely. This was standing in a hallway with a cellphone in his hand. It was eavesdropping. It was still reprehensible behavior, but it is a different thing than bugging, planting a recording device ahead of time. We have different words for thing because they are different things. When someone uses a term with emotional impact in an inexact manner we ought to be asking why they are mischaracterizing the situation. So to correct your statement:

    It is truly sad to see the direction things have been heading in Kentucky.

    1. Re:Except this isn't BUGGING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eavesdropping is when you use your ear, not a recording device. Bugging is using a recording device clandestinely to record conversations without permission. What is a cell phone in certain configurations? A microphone with digital recording capability. There is no requirement that a bug be in the room, or attached to anything. Handheld will do. His only reason for being in the building was to secretly record them.

      Bugging is the correct description of what went on, not a mischaracterization.

      Look at the last two links in the story. The US has a problem.

    2. Re:Except this isn't BUGGING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Bugging" means using a "bug".

      "Holding a video camera" means "Holding a video camera".

  33. Talking about what you heard is wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find that a difficult position to defend and I'd be interested in hearing your justification.

    I mean, the Senator was talking about targeting someone's depression as an election tactic. I'd like to hear more about what the Senator thinks is ok to use in his run to continue promoting himself. It certainly speaks volumes about his character.

  34. Re:This is shocking by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Please mod the parent up.

    The "fox news argued in court that they have the right to lie" is in itself a lie. It's one of those things where people repeat it enough to believe that it is true. Even googling it you get links to nothing but blogs about it, with not one professional analysis to speak of. Further, they all claim that Fox News itself was behind it, even though neither Fox nor its parent company had anything to do with it. It was all done by a local news station who happens to be a Fox TV affiliate (as in, they get the rights to air Fox television shows, but it doesn't extend much beyond that.)

    And of course, all of the above completely ignores that the TV station itself simply wanted a fair story as opposed to a blanket slam piece. Compare that to say MSNBC who is known to deliberately alter news content (most recently, editing the George Zimmerman audio clips) in order to fit their "racism" narrative.

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  35. If we had repub admin it would be a huge scandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Obama in office, it will just be swept under the rug.

  36. My kingdom for an "edit" button! by sirwired · · Score: 1

    One of Slashdot's weaknesses is the lack of an "edit" button. Most sites have them these days... It'd be even better if they had one with a link to the original comment, to prevent all sorts of trollish foolishness.

    1. Re:My kingdom for an "edit" button! by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Edit buttons don't work with moderation. If you reply to something stupid, then the original person edits out the stupid thing, your reply can become meaningless, offtopic, strawman, redundant, whatever. Lack of an edit button is a strength.

      Following threads that are edited is almost impossible, too - you end up with a mishmash of unrelated comments sometimes.

    2. Re:My kingdom for an "edit" button! by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      If the edit button becomes inactive after the post is moderated or replied to your objections become immaterial.

      Lack of a reasonably intelligent button diminishes this forum.

  37. Recording public arguing neighbors isn't illegal by sirwired · · Score: 1

    Recording is only illegal if there was a reasonable expectation of privacy. Two neighbors arguing on their front lawn have none. You can record them and play it back on the evening news if you so choose. Two neighbors arguing in their living room? A grey area if they are being loud and you do so from the street. Only illegal if you, for instance, have to put a mic on the glass.

  38. In all fairness... by sirwired · · Score: 1

    In all fairness, there are plenty of wingnuts that view the existence of liberals as treasonous. And there certainly isn't any shortage of ethically bankrupt "journalism" on either side.

  39. Re:Recording public arguing neighbors isn't illega by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    Again, I suggest you check your local laws.

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  40. Bryan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely his name is Barney. Kind of wondered what he was doing these days; I presume he's still working under cover. :>

  41. Urban Legend by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

    1. Fox went to court in Florida to defend the "right" to lie as news. They are the only news network to do so in the history of reporting.

    Ironically, you're lying.

    You're referring to the case New World Communications vs. Akre. WTVT is a local station in Tampa Bay owned by New World Communications (which is owned by News Corporation and thus is a Fox owned and operated station.) You note that WTVT isn't Fox News Channel, because you called it "Fox" in a discussion about "Fox News." Nice slight of hand. Jane Akre was a WTVT reporter who wanted to air a piece critical of Monsanto without giving Monsanto a chance to respond, and the WTVT brass turned her down. WTVT claims that the original piece that Akre submitted was biased and misleading, and so produced a new piece including a response from Monsanto. She and her then-husband, Steve Wilson, eventually had their employment contracts terminated without cause.

    Akre and Wilson then sued New World under a Florida whistleblower law. They alleged that airing a piece with Monsanto's response would constitute a violation of the an FCC policy authorized under the Communications Act of 1933, and that they were fired for threatening to expose this violation of law. On the facts of whether including Monsanto's response constituted lying, a jury would rule dismiss all of their claims. A jury, in fact, ruled that New World wasn't lying.

    The jury awarded Akre money because she thought she was acting as a whistleblower, and New World appealed THAT part of the ruling. In their appeal, New World said that the Florida whistleblower statue required the whistleblower to be reporting a violation of law, not a violation of FCC policy. This is a wildly different argument than "defending the right to lie."

    The appeals court ruled that because the thing that Akre was going to report to the FCC on wasn't a "law" as required by the Florida whistleblower law, she was not protected by the whistleblower law. Because she wasn't protected by the whistleblower law, the appeals court overturned Akre's jury award without considering the merits of the case. (They did, however, note that the original jury overturned all of Akre and Wilson's claims about WTVT lying.)

    The other interesting part of this is that nowhere in the court documents does either side advance anything about a "right to lie." New World never argued that they had one, and Akre never argued that WTVT claimed that they did in any formal document. Four years after the appeal ruling, Akre filed a complaint with the FCC that WTVT shouldn't have their license renewed. She didn't even claim anything about a right to lie then.

    This site has a good overview of what happened in the Akre case:
    http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunking-an-internet-myth/

    So does Akre's Wikipedia page:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre

    This story is an urban legend that was spread to attack Fox News, but it was completely false. Thank you for not spreading it further.

  42. Re:His campaign office doesn't belong to the PEOPL by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    elephant matter nectar

    You've found the fabled Lost Verse of "Glass Onion". Congratulations.

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  43. Tortious intrusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe Morrison should maintain he was merely making sure McConnell wasn't ignoring angry calls from constituents, and then plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of entering McConnell's office under false pretenses? This worked well for republican activist and sometime fox contributor James O'Keefe:

    "O'Keefe and colleagues were arrested in New Orleans in January 2010 during an attempt to make recordings at the office of United States Senator Mary Landrieu, a Democrat. His three fellow activists, who were dressed as telephone repairmen when apprehended, included Robert Flanagan, the son of William Flanagan, acting U.S. Attorney of the Eastern District of Louisiana. The four men were charged with malicious intent to damage the phone system. O'Keefe said he entered Landrieu's office to investigate complaints that she was ignoring phone calls from constituents during the debate over President Barack Obama's health care bill. The charges in the case were reduced from a felony to a single misdemeanor count of entering a federal building under false pretenses. O'Keefe and the others pleaded guilty on May 26. O'Keefe was sentenced to three years' probation, 100 hours of community service and a $1,500 fine. The other three men received lesser sentences." Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe

    O'Keefe also secretly recorded planned parenthood, acorn, npr...

    And not so long ago, there was "Rupergate": Rupert Murdoch's "News of the World" hacked phones and bribed police--but if you live in the US you might not have noticed this. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal

    The moral is clear: The political tides in the US sure have turned since Watergate. Now, if you're gonna do this kinda thing and get away with it, then you better be hacking liberals, not helping them.

  44. That's not an accurate summary of what happened... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a look here.

  45. Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see the Senate Minority Leader calling for the prosecution of people going around with hidden cameras into liberal organizations trying to film improper activity. Last I checked, many states have laws against recording someone without their knowledge.

  46. Re:This is shocking by Sique · · Score: 1
    Actually, I don't have any problem with a news outlet voicing an opinion. That's ok. That's the Freedom of the Press. And no, it's not the single duty of a journalist to report facts. That's what a scientist does. A journalist gives his own account on what happened today (french: journal [literally] = diary). Journalist ethics requires that there is a clear differentiation between information and comment, and that information is checked on a reasonable level.

    This still leaves it open to the journalist, which facts he will report on, and what angle of reporting he will choose. But again -- that's the Freedom of the Press.

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    .sig: Sique *sigh*
  47. Re:This is shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who believes that any news organization is completely 'fair and balanced' is naive.

    Half the people you mention have never uttered a liberal thought since they were hired by Fox News. Alan Colmes was brought in just to be a punching bag and have any of his opinions immediately shot down. About the only person with any real 'credibility' on Fox News is O'Reilly, who now seems to understand that his show is more entertainment rather than news.

  48. Curious timing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smear film we steal secrets is released just before the Manning Trial.
    While trial is underway a 'media event' of someone doing something illegal and it is associated with Assange.