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EU Wants To Enshrine Network Neutrality In Law

Bismillah writes "Following the example of the Dutch, who enacted laws supporting network neutrality, the European Union is now looking at doing the same. They are pushing for an end to the throttling and blocking of services such as Skype and Whatsapp by providers hoping to drive users to their own competing services. The EU also wants a service transparency requirement for ISPs, so people know what they're buying — like minimum speed. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out."

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  1. Democratic Europe, plutocratic America. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like Europeans are caring more about their freedoms than Americans.

    1. Re:Democratic Europe, plutocratic America. by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That only looks that way, because the grass is greener on the other side. In Germany, one of the bigger EU countries, the German Telekom (former national telecommunication corporation) want to shape traffic for non-Telekom media products by 2016. The German government said: 'That is bad!' But they do not try to stop the Telekom from doing so. Sometimes there is only hope in the EU. And that is a rather strange feeling.

    2. Re:Democratic Europe, plutocratic America. by moronoxyd · · Score: 2

      What should the government do?
      Write a Lex Telekom, especially targeting this company?

      The consumer protection agencies and the Federal Cartel Office are on the case and inspect if the Deutsche Telekom is breaking laws.
      That's how it should be.

      I'm opposed to the government changing legislation 'on the fly' just because one company does something bad.
      First, we need to make sure that the current laws don't cover this action.
      Then the parliament can look into the matter and if necessary make a new law after proper deliberations.

    3. Re:Democratic Europe, plutocratic America. by moronoxyd · · Score: 2

      First, we need to make sure that the current laws don't cover this action.

      It doesn't. Otherwise it would have been pointed out by now. The law should also not be designed to address the direct issue, which came up recently, but it should address net-neutrality in general.

      As I wrote: the consumer protection agencies (Verbraucherzentralen) and the cartel office (Bundeskartellamt) are analyzing the situation. So I'd say your wrong: It is not yet clear if the actions of the Deutsche Telekom can be addressed with current laws.

      (BTW: I'm German, so I follow this situation in the German media.)

    4. Re:Democratic Europe, plutocratic America. by VirginMary · · Score: 3, Funny

      By letting the EU do something "for the people" rather than doing it themselves they improve the image of the EU with the naive citizens. Good cop/bad cop standard story.

      You're probably also wearing a tinfoil hat! Sheesh!

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    5. Re:Democratic Europe, plutocratic America. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      In this case it is more of a consumer rights issue, something that the EU seems to take a lot more interest in than the US with its free market approach.

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  2. Re:Please EU, more laws! by Zumbs · · Score: 4, Informative

    European Union politicians simply cannot be trusted as none have been elected by the people, so one can only wonder whose interests they serve.

    That is quite a blanket statement. Members of the EU Parliament are politicians and directly elected by the people, so it is also wrong. Note that I am not saying that the European Union does not have serious democratic problems. The EU Parliament holds few of the powers usually attributed to parliaments and the EU Commission is appointed by the EU governments, so it is "buffered" against the people.

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  3. EU is divided, good side may be winning though by captainpanic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is Kroes and a number of others who want to keep the internet free, so it can defend democratic values and such.
    And then there are those who are bought by lobbyists, and who support the ISPs as well as the music/movie industry and wish to tie it down and control it, in the name of The Economy and Profit.

    It's a good thing that Neelie Kroes is quite a big shot in the EU government (the "European Commission digital agenda vice-president" is important in this matter)...

    1. Re:EU is divided, good side may be winning though by captainpanic · · Score: 2

      Well, in the Netherlands the scam as you describe it has not started yet. In fact, the Netherlands has a healthy competition among ISPs, and an internet connection for 20 euro/month will get you a very reasonable 20 Mb / 1 Mb connection, and the wifi modem/router is included (free).

      I believe that in the (near?) future, ISPs must also list a minimum up and download speed (if they are the bottleneck themselves), next to the maximum that they advertise with.

      If the ISP wishes to scam you into paying a few euro more, they can already do that. But they don't want to lose to the competition, so they don't.

  4. Hypocrites by Brusco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let them first stop censoring the internet.

    1. Re:Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually not. Hosting copyrighted content and the infringement is dealt with according to law. But this does not mean that legitimate uses of bittorrent should suffer. There is nothing hypocritical about this. Just common sense.
      Not everything in the EU is roses and sunshine, but this is right and I welcome the effort.

    2. Re:Hypocrites by LubosD · · Score: 2

      TPB hosts none of the content, but I suppose you already know that.

    3. Re:Hypocrites by Xest · · Score: 2

      How is that hypocritical and which idiots modded this up?

      What has a historical national court ruling got to do with future EU wide law planning?

      There's nothing hypocritical there because you have two distinct bodies going different ways.

      A dutch court has absolutely zero control over or relevance to future European Parliament legislation. If the EU goes ahead with this the dutch court will have to comply once it's government implements the relevant legislation.

  5. Why this happened in the Netherlands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Before you start accusing the Netherlands or the EU over being overzealus about this, consider that these laws were a response to the biggest mobile internet provider in the Netherlands announcing plans to block WhatsApp access, and only allow access to it to those who payed up, after people stopped text-messaging in droves in favor of WhatsApp. This didn't come out of the blue, and I personally feel stopping this sort of thing is a good(tm) thing.

  6. A good speech by Hrshgn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just finished reading Neelie Kroes' speech an I really like it. Good to see that an influential politician has a long-term vision of how the internet has evolved and into which direction it should go.

    You can read the speech here and also leave your comments on specific sections: http://commentneelie.eu/speech.php?sp=SPEECH/13/498

  7. Never! by zazzel · · Score: 2

    Remembering the times when Deutsche Telekom was still called "Deutsche Bundespost" and a state-owned monopoly, I can only say: NO WAY!!!

    Why is it that so many people believe that a monopoly "works better" if it's state-owned instead of privately held? A private monopoly must at least make sure they are not being substituted away by some related technology (and therefore stay *somewhat* attractive), while *every single* government monopoly makes sure, using the law and force, that nobody competes with them, ever.

    The best thing that ever happened to the German telecommunications market was to allow competitors in, and push Deutsche Telekom aside (still profitable, paying good dividends on their stock).

    Deutsche Telekom is not a "monopoly". They still own the network, but are forced to rent "the last mile" to competitors at regulated prices. Their market share is not that high. Vodafone, O2, KabelDeutschland and others are only some of their competitors.

    Back on topic: Deutsche Telekom also does IPTV, and they are being accused of violating network neutrality since they want to exempt it (and phone services) from their planned DSL caps (75GB @DSL, 200GB @VDSL 50MBit). Partly correct, but it's not "internet" because Telekom has built a parallel infrastructure for it (separate VLAN, separate distribution network). Partly, because at the same time they have a sh*tty backbone connection to, for example, YouTube and want to make separate agreements with them to a) "finance better connectivity" and b) have select services exempt from bandwidth caps.

    No other provider does this. I went from Deutsche Telekom to O2, and suddenly Youtube in HD started working (it is really unuseable on DTAG's network). Also, if you use a VPN and then start Youtube, everything is fine - even if exactly the same backbone connection is used.

  8. Re:Rules & Exceptions by Teun · · Score: 2

    the only puropose of elections is to hold up the illusion that people could influence politics

    That's a nasty demon driving you.

    As an European I don't agree with you at all, the breadth and width of the political spectrum is so great you can't possibly claim all is stitched up.

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  9. Re:Define it... by Teun · · Score: 4, Informative
    As this comes from European Commission digital agenda vice-president Neelie Kroes we can be sure it's covering the Real Thing.

    She has an exemplary track record of protecting the consumer, the common man, and hitting at corporate interests that try the opposite.

    Because the already existing Dutch example was mentioned we can assume the EU rules would follow a similar path and that's again a sign for a consumer-friendly ruling.
    When the ruling is consumer friendly it will be a bonus for all, not just the single company that wants to bent the rules it's own way for profit.

    Although Europeans have to remain vigilant about the various restrictions set on public speech, via the Internet or any other means, there is a wide agreement among many Europeans not all needs to be allowed.
    Europeans will typically sooner accept a restriction set by a democratically elected legislature than by a commercial entity.

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