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Microsoft Attempts to Woo Students With 'Crowdsourced' Laptops
theodp writes "Q. What do Chris Brown and Steve Ballmer have in common? A. They both want you to Beg for It. GeekWire reports that Microsoft is touting its new Chip In program, a crowdfunding platform that allows students to 'beg' for select Windows 8 PCs and tablets that they can't afford on their own. Blair Hanley Frank explains, 'Students go to the Chip In website and choose one of the 20 computers and tablets that have been pre-selected by Microsoft. Microsoft chips in 10% of the price right off the bat, and then students are given a link to a "giving page" to send out to anyone they think might give them money. Once their computer is fully funded, Microsoft ships it to them.' Hey, what could go wrong?"
Then I don't think anyone wants one. Begging and debasing yourself for a computer makes sense, if you really need one. Doing it for a computer that suffers from delusions of being a tablet? What's the point?
Can we just beg for them to:
Remove Windows 8 from a laptop we already bought
Make Windows 8 and 8.1 (so basically 8.2) not suck so badly
or just beg for them to stop begging us to beg them for Windows 8 machines.
Who in their right minds wants a Windows 8 laptop ?
I'd rather have a damp pizza.
Of course... On x86 you can disabled it with a BIOS setting (okay, technically "EFI setting"). For now I haven't seen one that didn't allow it. It's sometimes pretty hard to get into the BIOS, but hey, once you're in, you're in.
Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
So it's a 10% discount for spamming your contact list
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
This almost reminds me of all those e-mails from way back when that say if you forward the e-mail to 10 or so friends, Bill Gates will send you a free PC. I'm already very suspect of any e-mail asking for money, even if it is from someone I know.
You could end up with a laptop with Windows 8 on it.
...but it really doesn't help when this kind of project tries to get people to turn it into spam. Want to drive your early 1980s Vanagon through China on the Silk Road, and write a book about the experience? Good project for crowdsourcing (but didn't make its kickstarter goal). Want to record an album with your band or film a documentary on something super-nerdy? By all means give it a shot.
Poor student wanting to buy a device Microsoft picked for you? Just makes the whole concept of crowdsourcing look like what it is: begging. The appeal of crowdsourcing, in my opinion, is that if the project succeeds, something fun, interesting, or exciting gets brought back that the people who helped it happen get to enjoy. Not just the person who gathered the funds.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
1. microsoft already enjoys lock-in at most universities and private colleges. shit like outlook and sharepoint has unfortunately shoved years of well-maintained unix to the roadside in an effort for universities to seem more cutting edge. protracted multi-month outages (ahem, University of Kentucky) requiring expensive consultants drive alongside patch tuesday now in the race to time best wasted.
2. 90% of the engineering labs, the ones we slashdotters fondly pine for, are sadly Microsft lock stock and barrel. each desltop basically exists as a $500 PuTTY workstation.
id be willing to guess microsoft is trying to reduce the amount of apple on campus. in the arm and in the backpack of millions of students rests the most egregious chunk of the student loan, the macbook. Microsoft wants that few inches of space so badly they can taste the sweat off steves greasy forehead, but theyve failed catastrophically in the past and if history is any indicator, this will just serve to ever cement microsoft as the spreadsheet king. the Zune was a godless abortion, the netbook was an underpowered way to piss off university hackers, and the tablets are about the only thing left until you realize apple has been doing it better for years. Now we're going for the laptops...and its worth noting most $college macbooks run XP or 7 so as to comply with university requirements for courseware. Make no mistake however, they roll back over to mac whenever theres a party and someone needs to fire up a jukebox playlist fitting for kegstands.
making college kids beg wont work. at the end of the day sure, theyre accustomed to it with their parents but microsoft doesnt represent anything they inherently need that they cant already download off bittorrent or use a lab for. victory has defeated you microsoft, your ubiquity is the titration point at which college students simply dont care about your products. they all know windows, they all use it, but there is no fundamental 'want' or drive you can possibly conjure up that will spur kids to fall to their knees the way steve jobs could get them to.
Good people go to bed earlier.
I have an ASUS motherboard that refuses to boot from USB unless it's a UEFI image or you manually go into the BIOS each time and tell it to boot from that device.
I can already hear the Internet scams popping up right now.
You go to some family get-together.
Uncle: Hey Jimmy, I got that message about the laptop you wanted. I donated $300 for you!
Jimmy: Umm, I never signed up for any laptop nor did I send you a request to donate to buy one for me.
*crickets*
But I couldn't find the MacBook Pro running Windows 8 via Boot Camp.
#DeleteChrome
Too bad that along the problems with Linux, Secure Boot by itself is actually a nice feature.
except that you have to agree to the MS TOS to get into the BIOS, but hey, what's a little legal agreement that violates your rights? /facepalm
So don't buy the machine.
Hopefully more linux users will start buying linux machines or bare OS machines and we can get some actual reasonable statistics.
Microsoft with another new half baked idea.
Painful to watch and execute me too ad campaign.
A day late and a dollar short.
Say what you will about them, the fuckers are consistent.
How EXACTLY is it a "big" problem? Its something that is trivial to disable if you don't want it and frankly if Torvalds wasn't constantly shitting out new kernels it really wouldn't be hard to get your kernel signed and use it in Linux.
Ironically the ones who usually scream about it being a "problem" don't seem to have this "problem" with Chromebooks even though unlike UEFI Secureboot the ONLY way to get around it in a Chromebook is to put in a page and a half of CLI garbage in "dev mode", completely wipe your drive (no dual booting allowed) and then and ONLY then can you use one of a few small select distros that will run on what should be just a bog standard X86 laptop. say what you will but at least with Secureboot I can dual boot and use any OS I want with the hardware.
As for TFA? sigh...Steve, Steve, Steve...give it the fuck up already! Win 8 is a bomb, nobody wants the damned thing, all you are doing now is embarrassing yourself.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
So I will go buy a machine from a linux only seller.
I highly doubt dell would comply, as redhat would push back on the server and workstation side.
$12 an hour would have been a fortune to me. I was working for $5 and spending 100+ hours a week in the labs. Working off campus was not much of an option since I could never really get the flexibility I needed out of other employers. The lab was only open a set of hours, and I was not going to hurt my grades for their meager wages.
That 10% discount is almost as much money as you could save by forgoing Windows for something useable and free.
I think it's interesting the way they're describing this. "Windows has already contributed 10% off the PC cost." Not "Microsoft" the company, but "Windows" the operating system. As if the software itself were somehow tapping into a bank account to contribute. Is Microsoft trying to avoid its own brand here? (All of which is just a bunch of marketing nonsense. Microsoft isn't "chipping in" 10%; it's offering a 10% discount. In exchange for... your personal info, and that of your friends and family with money.)
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That doesn't sound like GP's problem, it sounds like ASUS' problem. Yours is accepting that "doesn't boot well from USB" is an acceptable state to sell a motherboard in.
If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
There are more problems with UEFI than 'secure' boot. I bought an HP box with Windows 7 and secure boot disabled. The thing wouldn't boot Windows after I installed the drive from my old PC as a secondary SATA drive (believe me, I tried every available BIOS setting). The Windows EFI bootloader insisted on trying to boot from the secondary (MBR-formatted) drive if it was there - even though a live-booted linux CD was fine with it. But if I left a gap in the SATA drive numbers, Windows would boot (and mount the SATA3 dirve as drive F:), whereas my live linux CD didn't even see it as SATA3 (apparently the BIOS didn't report it there with the gap).
Essentially, I was only able to 'use' this drive after I completely wiped it and replaced its MBR partitioning scheme with a GPT scheme. But my point is UEFI has 3 problems as I see it:
1) Secure boot locking out non-signed stuff (why can't it just warn you when you try to boot non-signed stuff and let you continue).
2) Weird implementations producing crazy, inexplicable behaviors. Including inconsistent ability to boot from external media, and some systems actually getting bricked by booting a Ubuntu CD.
3) Forcing use of GPT partitioning, which many Linux distros don't handle yet, and which even Windows doesn't need till you go over 2 TB drives.
Most of this is the result of an awkward transition to a possibly better partitioning and booting scheme, but forcing it on everyone - combined with poor implementations of much more complex firmware. Maybe it only seems intended to make dual booting hell. In any case, it succeeds beautifully.
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Why does Linux need a half a dozen kernels a year when BSD, Solaris, OSX, none of those need a half a dozen kernels a year?
Maybe because it has more active developers than any other kernel, maybe because it is used in more places, supports more features, and more hardware than other kernal.
why can my friend go through 3 Apple upgrades and ALL of HIS drivers work,
Ever consider that might be because apple has so little hardware? They have what 4 lines of computer running OSX that only some of which get changed each year, not much hardware really to support in the first palce, I would be surprised if it didn't have decent support considering.
i take take[sic] 7 year old drivers and run them in the latest Windows just fine, but Linus can't even keep his shit together long enough to allow 2 year old drivers to work, hmmm?
Maybe that is the device manufacturers fault for not supporting or updating their Linux drivers, and instead supporting the illegal monopoly abusing operating system do to install base. Also no one forces you to upgrade to a new kernel you could just stay with what works or use a distro with longterm support, I think Redhat supports OS installs up to 10 years old with there extended support cycle, or you could use Debian which focuses on stability, Ubuntu supports lts server installs for 5 years and are contemplating longer on the next lts.
I'm sorry but bullshit is bullshit, its a kernel not fucking bread, no need to rush it out for "freshness" here. if he can't keep his shit together and bring enough QC that a kernel can't even last 24 months?
No its not bread but it does need putout more quickly because there a lots of crackers out their looking for zero day exploits, and the sooner you patched the better or you could stick with XP SP1 and IE6 and see just how long it is until you are some Russian hackers botnet-bitch.
get another damned job Torvalds.
what is with your vitriol toward Torvalds in this post did he run over your cat or something?
as Torvalds is there to cockblock you can give it up, it'll remain a hobbyist OS,
Oh you mean its not used on what percent of servers, phones(smart and dumb), tablets and embedded in more random devices than you can count? Hobbyist only; ah, no.
where the only gains are when a corp bitchslaps him out of the way and just takes it like Google did.
I don't recall Google "bitch slapping Linux" if by bitch slapped you mean used the kernel added a few hooks for there java vm and contributed code upstream some of which is still being added to mainline, and used a different user space and gui, in fact they enternally use standard linux for all of their desktops and servers. the only thing that may in anyway of been bitch slapped by Google is the gnu tool chain and user space and x11 but plenty others don't use gnu either instead using busybox or some other.
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.