Israeli Army Retweeting 1967 War As It Happened

An anonymous reader writes "This is a new one, twitter as a form of historical reenactment: 'Israel's army is giving a "live" blow-by-blow account of the 1967 Six Day War, tweeting each air strike at the exact time it occurred 46 years ago ... @IDF1967 "is an official Israel Defence Forces account that is aimed at re-tweeting the events of the Six Day War in live time", ... The account was tweeting key events in the battle against the armies of Egypt, Jordan and Syria that took place from June 5 to 10, 1967 and includes pictures and videos, the army said. The tweets are mostly in Hebrew, with some translated into English. "In response to repeated provocations by Egypt, the State of Israel and the IDF are going to war. We will not sit idly as the enemy forces tighten the noose around our necks," the opening tweet said around 8.00am (1500 AEST) on Wednesday when Israel landed its first preemptive air strike 46 years ago.'"

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now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

now they are nazis

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

At least it doesn't sink as low as the bachelorette. erm... wait... I think it does.

Re:now they are nazis

[pbasch]

Damn. I took a second to sign in, and then this AC goes first, and violates Godwin's Law too. What I was GOING to say, before this nincompoop smeared their greasy fingers all over the comment stream, was that I hoped their tweets would not all be triumphalist, manly statements about their martial prowess, but would also include all the inanities and irrelevancies one finds in a Twitter stream. But it could be that the "funny" Jews aren't involved in this particular effort.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know about jews being Nazis but I'm pretty sure they killed Jesus.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

What do you mean, "now".

Here are six mass graves discovered this week, in Jaffa, full of Arab native civilians "cleansed" from their city in 1948.

'The remains belong to people of different ages, including women, children and the elderly, some of which bear signs of violence.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334205/Mass-grave-uncovered-containing-dozens-Palestinians-killed-1948-war-founded-Israel.html

Re:now they are nazis

[Mashiki]

Ah the 1948 war, where the arabs told the other arabs living in said regions that if they flee, they'll be able to live on the land of the jews that they those arab armies were going to ethnically cleanse. Never mind that said arab armies did in fact commit cleansing...of their fellow arabs, and in those regions among others. That's not new, news.

Re:now they are nazis

[CrimsonAvenger]

Oddly enough, the article doesn't say anything about anyone being "cleansed" from their city in 1948.

What it does say is that:

A local fisherman Atar Zeinab, 80, said that as a teenager during the final months of fighting in 1948 he helped to collect the Arab dead in the area south of Jaffa.

They were then brought for a quick burial in the cemetery, the areaâ(TM)s main graveyard.

'I carried to the cemetery 60 bodies during a period of three or four months,' he told AFP. 'We used to find the people in the street and most of the time we didnâ(TM)t know who they were.'

He said that the danger of being hit by flying bullets or grenade fragments was such that bodies were dumped one on top of the other in existing family crypts in the cemetery, contrary to Muslim custom.

'We carried them early in the morning or in the night. We put women, children and men in the same place... nobody prayed for these people.

Note that there is no mention as to who did the killing, though the "danger of being hit by flying bullets or grenade fragments" suggests ongoing fighting between the Jews and Palestinians (which means that any particular death was just as likely to be to a Palestinian bullet as a Jewish bullet)....

Re:now they are nazis

[CrimsonAvenger]

Bah, screwed up my html. last sentence of the above should be outside the blockquote.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

You talk nonsense. People were murdered and their home stolen. After pushing them onto reservation-type camps, they are still subject to things like collective punishments - which include mass aerial bombardment of civilian homes with white phosphorus, or the interruption of potable water.

Both are war crimes.

None of this can be justified in any way by the alleged rhetoric of some ill-defined "arabs" saying something that - if you are understood correctly - would amount to: "If you leave your property that you own, and your orchards and shops, then after you are refugees, you might be able to squat on the couple of Kibbutz those Poles stole from your parents, instead!"

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

You're stupid and you're a liar. I hope one day your family is under threat of extermination. Good luck, fucker.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

That guy ? He was merely an idiot of the Assange-class.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

You, sir, are a useless douchebagel that gives a bad name to gefilte fish, which is actually quite good when properly prepared. Pass the matzah, grandpa.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Who gives a fuck? They're just Muslims. They deserve to be flushed down the toilet of useless shit humans.
 
FUCK ALLAH! FUCK MOHAMMED! FUCK ISLAM!!!!

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Have you ever studied the region's history? The land was bought from Ottoman officials. It was officially done. If anyone stole land it was the Ottomans. This in fact seems to have happened, as they would sell somebody else's land, give the paper and keep the cash.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

awww, how Christian of you.

Re:now they are nazis

[phantomfive]

How do you feel about the way the Arabs treat Palestinian refugees? That is the test to see if someone is a hypocrite or ignorant on the topic.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not a Christian, you cunt.
 
I know, I know, you're one of those fucktard misinformed Americans who've been brainwashed into thinking the Muslims are oppressed and it's all modern crusades and shit.
 
Get a clue you clueless douchebag. The fucking Muslim hordes have either assimilated or tried to kill everyone they couldn't assimilate for their entire history. Poor fucking war mongering cunt Muslims... I can't believe people still believe that Muslims are oppressed and that Islam is a religion of peace. It's a religion of peace as long as you're one of them and you never question a damn thing about their stupid fucking religion.
 
The number of people who've been killed in the name of Christ in the past decade is about as many as those put to death this week in nations practicing Sharia law in the name of Allah by their own fucking governments. Christians are small potatoes.
 
Get your head out of your ass.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

You talk nonsense. People were murdered and their home stolen.

Yeah, on both sides. Did you know that the Jews globally lost more property than they gained in 1948? After Arabs lost the war, Jews everywhere in the Middle East were essentially evicted and all their stuff was confiscated, depriving them of wealth amounting to almost three billion dollars (1948 dolllar value, try adjusting *that* for current value) and lands larger than the 1948 Israel.

After pushing them onto reservation-type camps, they are still subject to things like collective punishments.

It's funny that countries such as Jordan and other, despite supposedly being the same ethnic group, don't actually want these troublemakers.

which include mass aerial bombardment of civilian homes with white phosphorus

"Mass aerial bombardment"? And do you actually have anything to support this claim?

or the interruption of potable water

I may be wrong, but isn't it the case that Israel actually provides the water to the West Bank and to Gaza at their own expense, essentially at a loss? Water is quite precious in the region, if I'm not mistaken, Israel buys a lot of water from Turkey. If there are interruptions (which are to be expected under such conditions), they may not be very well motivated to fix the stuff if they have problems with the locals.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, now Jewish propaganda tries stronger words. Let's counter this with the little fact that Jews live happily in IRAN to the present day. The Iranians have treated Jews much better than many other nations.

As a reward, Israel sends deadly Terrorists into Iran to kill their scientists. They smear Iran and want to start a war against them as a reward for saving Jews from Nazi annihilation !

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

How do you feel about two wrongs making a right?

Re:now they are nazis

[jedidiah]

You clearly haven't the remotest clue what the Nazis actually did.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

People who aren't allowed to return to their own homes have been expelled. Many villages were completely wiped off the map, even if people in places like Jaffa and Jerusalem evaded the Zionist terrorists. The homes that people lost are not empty and waiting for their return, they have been "redeemed." Israel even passed laws to take land from people they couldn't chase completely beyond their borders, "present absentees."

Re:now they are nazis

[jedidiah]

No. But it does equate to a double standard. A different standard is applied to Israel than to everyone else. What's worse is that the other Arab countries are treating their own people like shit.

That's like you pissing on your family. That's actually WORSE than some stranger doing it.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

Is there a logical or rhetorical fallacy you won't ignore, in the pursuit of your defense for the outlaw nation?

Yeah, on both sides. Did you know that the Jews globally lost more property than they gained in 1948? After Arabs lost the war, Jews everywhere in the Middle East were essentially evicted and all their stuff was confiscated, depriving them of wealth amounting to almost three billion dollars (1948 dolllar value, try adjusting *that* for current value) and lands larger than the 1948 Israel.

But the people murdered by Stern and Irgun were innocent. Those who lost homes and property were not even indirectly responsible. It's like claiming Catholic farmworkers should be exploited because there are priests who molest children.

It's funny that countries such as Jordan and other, despite supposedly being the same ethnic group, don't actually want these troublemakers.

Yeah. Like why England and Finland weren't asking to accept the whole nation of Croatia in the 90's. Hey! There the same ethnic group. Your racism is vile. "Troublemakers"? They were just born there, descendents of Ancient Greece, Phoenecia, Rome, Egypt, Sumer and - dare I say Judea. But that's "causing trouble".

"Mass aerial bombardment"? And do you actually have anything to support this claim?

Operation Cast Lead

I may be wrong, but isn't it the case that Israel actually provides the water to the West Bank and to Gaza at their own expense, essentially at a loss?

"Here, we stole your aquifers. Aren't we forebaring and even magnanimous in trickling some back, after diverting it to water illegal colonial settlements? Gosh. What's a little matter of war crime, compared to our virtues?"

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

There's no Jewish propaganda there. You simply can't answer the charges I'm presenting against shitty Islam so you're trying to attack the messenger. You've got nothing.
 
FUCK ALLAH!!! FUCK MOHAMMED!!!! FUCK ISLAM!!!!!!!!!
 
Fuck it in the ass. It likes dicks in its ass. Mohammed use to fuck little boys in the ass and every Muslim loves it in the ass to pay homage to their child molesting false prophet.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Judaism is the TRUE religion of Satan.

Who's priests FORBID the invocation of the HOLY SPIRIT by direct RECITATION of the NAME of GOD?

Judaism. Like Satan himself, they claim not to say his name out of "respect".

But they simply cut access to the invocation of God's presence.

Re:now they are nazis

[cold fjord]

>None of this can be justified in any way by the alleged rhetoric of some ill-defined "arabs" saying something that - if you are understood correctly - would amount to: "If you leave your property that you own, and your orchards and shops, then after you are refugees, you might be able to squat on the couple of Kibbutz those Poles stole from your parents, instead!"

You are on the wrong side of history, and pretty much all of the nonsense you refer to is coming from you. The Arabs in Palestine were following the orders of the Arab leaders to evacuate. They had been making it clear that a genocide was coming, and who wants get pulled into a genocide? If the Israelis hadn't been able to defend themselves and stop the many attacking Arab armies, it is very possible that any Arabs that had remained behind and ignored the commands to leave would have been killed along with the Jews.

Time Now for a Declaration of Mideast Peace; Doomed Arab Refugees

In ''Semites and Anti-Semites'' (New York, 1986), Bernard W. Lewis quotes (page 270) from the memoirs of Khalid al-Azm, Prime Minister of Syria in 1948-49, listing the factors that led to Israel's success:

''Fifth: the summons of the Arab governments to the population of Palestine to leave the country and take refuge in the neighboring Arab countries . . . this collective flight served the Jews and strengthened their position without effort. . . . Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes when we ourselves were the ones who induced them to leave them. . . . We doomed a million Arab refugees, by calling on them and insisting that they abandon their land, their homes, their work and their occupations, and we made them unemployed and homeless.''

Azzam's Genocidal Threat

An October 11, 1947 report on the pan-Arab summit in the Lebanese town of Aley,[9] by Akhbar al-Yom's editor Mustafa Amin, contained an interview he held with Arab League secretary-general Azzam. Titled, "A War of Extermination," the interview read as follows (translated by Efraim Karsh; all ellipses are in the original text):

Abdul Rahman Azzam Pasha spoke to me about the horrific war that was in the offing saying:

"I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre[10] or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews.

"This war will be distinguished by three serious matters. First—faith: as each fighter deems his death on behalf of Palestine as the shortest road to paradise; second, [the war] will be an opportunity for vast plunder. Third, it will be impossible to contain the zealous volunteers arriving from all corners of the world to avenge the martyrdom of the Palestine Arabs, and viewing the war as dignifying every Arab and every Muslim throughout the world

"The Arab is superior to the Jew in that he accepts defeat with a smile: Should the Jews defeat us in the first battle, we will defeat them in the second or the third battle or the final one whereas one defeat will shatter the Jew's morale! Most desert Arabians take pleasure in fighting. I recall being tasked with mediating a truce in a desert war (in which I participated) that lasted for nine monthsWhile en route to sign the truce, I was approached

Re: now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Frankly fuck all religion. Irrational retards.

Re:now they are nazis

[stephanruby]

Ah the 1948 war, where the arabs told the other arabs living in said regions that if they flee, they'll be able to live on the land of the jews that they those arab armies were going to ethnically cleanse.

Ah yes, you're referring to this

The new state of Israel spread the story that all these Palestinians had left under orders from Arab leaders, citing "Arab broadcasts" telling people to move away so that Arab armies could "operate without interference.” There has never been any evidence for this story. Both US and British intelligence services were monitoring all broadcasts during the period, and not a single "Arab broadcast" telling people to leave was recorded. In fact, several Arab broadcasts were recorded telling the population to stay put. Israeli forces, meanwhile, were using threats, violence, and murder to force many Palestinians out of their homes.

It is no longer the official line of the Israeli Foreign Office that Arab leaders ordered Palestinians to leave Palestine.

Besides, I never even understood the reasoning behind this justification to condemn all Palestinians for an alleged radio broadcast supposedly sent from a different Arab country. If you're a civilian and not part of the military, since when does fleeing a region about to become a battlefield even considered a crime? Are you suggesting that non-military people should just stay there, Arab or not, while two armies are supposedly converging on each other?

Re:now they are nazis

[amiga3D]

Well technically it was the Romans at the behest of the Jewish religious leaders. Jesus kept calling them hypocrites and then they proved him right.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

There was no cleansing in Jaffa. Predominantly Arabs still live there and have their community intact. Why don't you just visit it, instead of repeating a typical pay per posting propaganda..

Re:now they are nazis

[amiga3D]

As far as I can tell the Muslims treat everyone like shit. They have a special place in their hearts for the Jews but they don't mind killing Christians and Hindus and anyone else that doesn't agree with them. This includes each other too when there are no outsiders to concentrate on. Radicals do the killing and the so called moderates provide the money and make excuses for them. I'm enjoying watching Europe try to deal with them.

Re:now they are nazis

[cold fjord]

There are better sources.

Time Now for a Declaration of Mideast Peace; Doomed Arab Refugees

In ''Semites and Anti-Semites'' (New York, 1986), Bernard W. Lewis quotes (page 270) from the memoirs of Khalid al-Azm, Prime Minister of Syria in 1948-49, listing the factors that led to Israel's success:

''Fifth: the summons of the Arab governments to the population of Palestine to leave the country and take refuge in the neighboring Arab countries . . . this collective flight served the Jews and strengthened their position without effort. . . . Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes when we ourselves were the ones who induced them to leave them. . . . We doomed a million Arab refugees, by calling on them and insisting that they abandon their land, their homes, their work and their occupations, and we made them unemployed and homeless.''

You may want to review this post in this same topic for more information.

Re:now they are nazis

[cold fjord]

Ah the 1948 war, where the arabs told the other arabs living in said regions that if they flee, they'll be able to live on the land of the jews that they those arab armies were going to ethnically cleanse. Never mind that said arab armies did in fact commit cleansing...of their fellow arabs, and in those regions among others. That's not new, news.

The post above is essentially correct, and it shouldn't be down modded.

Time Now for a Declaration of Mideast Peace; Doomed Arab Refugees

In ''Semites and Anti-Semites'' (New York, 1986), Bernard W. Lewis quotes (page 270) from the memoirs of Khalid al-Azm, Prime Minister of Syria in 1948-49, listing the factors that led to Israel's success:

''Fifth: the summons of the Arab governments to the population of Palestine to leave the country and take refuge in the neighboring Arab countries . . . this collective flight served the Jews and strengthened their position without effort. . . . Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes when we ourselves were the ones who induced them to leave them. . . . We doomed a million Arab refugees, by calling on them and insisting that they abandon their land, their homes, their work and their occupations, and we made them unemployed and homeless.''

You may want to review this post in this same topic for more information.

Re: now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, I came to Slashdot to talk about Linux and shit. Kindly shut the fuck up with your insane rants. How did you even end up here?

Re:now they are nazis

[cold fjord]

No. But it does equate to a double standard. A different standard is applied to Israel than to everyone else. What's worse is that the other Arab countries are treating their own people like shit.

Despite your flamebait moderation, you are essentially correct.

As far as a double standard against Israel, the UN is a great example of that.

From: Middle East Quarterly - Winter 2004
The Case for Israel

... The Case For Israel ... Dershowitz points out that a full 27 percent of the U.N.'s country-specific resolutions critical of a state have been directed against it. In contrast, no resolution in the history of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights has condemned Syria, China, Saudi Arabia, or Zimbabwe, all of which are self-evidently far worse violators of human rights. Israel, asserts Dershowitz, has a "far better record on human rights than any other nation in the Middle East and most other nations in the world." As evidence, he notes that "Israel is the only nation in the world whose judiciary actively enforces the rule of law against its military during wartime" and that "Israel has killed fewer innocent civilians in proportion to the number of its own civilians killed than any country engaged in a comparable war."... The Case for Israel

Fighting the Lies Harder Than Fighting the War - Israel does not "deliberately" target civilians.

Regarding the mistreatment of Arabs by Arabs, two interesting cases that immediately come to mind:

Black September - In Context
Hama 1982 – The Syrian massacre you never heard about (Not for those of weak constitution. The SS had nothing on the Syrian Army.)

For some reason you never really hear about those. What makes it doubly interesting is that Black September was specifically against the Palestinian Arabs.

Re:now they are nazis

[Smauler]

Firstly... never, ever source the daily mail. It is always wrong.

OK, I exaggerate... it gets the weather right one time out of ten.

The Mail is not a reliable news source, by any standard. You might as well be listening to your neighbour's chicken's cat's banker's lawyer.

Re:now they are nazis

[Falconhell]

There is a continual stream of Israeli shill propaganda, and downmods of any critcism of Israel here, its
standard practice for the Israels supporters to use sock puppets accounts, or like you post as AC. If you had any courage in your convictions at all you would post logged in you lying pathetic coward.

Slowly the whole world is waking up to the lies Israel's supporters rely on to get away with their many war crimes. The usual tactic is to scream anti-semitism at any criticism of Israel, but as the generational change occurs less and less people are saddled with irrelevant guilt over the happenings during WW2
eventually true justice must come and the stolen land of Palestine at least partially returned to its rightful owners.

Re:now they are nazis

[Smauler]

A different standard is applied to Israel than to everyone else.

Yup, like nuclear weapon arming, and massive military investment from the US. The soviet union is long dead.

Re:now they are nazis

[Uberbah]

You are on the wrong side of history

You're projecting, with the usual bullshit handwaving and the usual canards to justify the unjustifiable. The formation of Israel was impossible without massive land theft from the native population, from a bunch of immigrants just off the boat from Europe.

Then there's the other bullshit in the form of headscratching that the victims of land theft and ethnic cleansing feel some sort of animosity towards their oppressors. Do you also spend a lot of time yelling at the Sioux for being pissed that the Black Hills were stolen from them? Still calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist because he resisted Apartheid?

Zionism is amoral sociopathy. A sense of entitlement to other people's land and property is bullshit, whether it was the Spaniards, the Pope, or the Germans doing it to Jews, and it's bullshit when Zionists do it to the people who have lived in Palestine for centuries.

Re:now they are nazis

[Falconhell]

Guess the 100,000+ killed by americans in Iraq dont count. Seek help for your delusions man.

Re:now they are nazis

[phantomfive]

The point is, if you really cared about helping Palestinians, you would focus on helping Palestinians, because flaming Israel isn't going to accomplish much. Israel is the smallest of the Palestinians' problems.

Re:now they are nazis

[slim]

Godwin's law states:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

So, far from violating it, GP demonstrates Godwin's law. Faster than usual, but that's probability for you.

Re:now they are nazis

[Mashiki]

You talk nonsense. People were murdered and their home stolen. After pushing them onto reservation-type camps, they are still subject to things like collective punishments - which include mass aerial bombardment of civilian homes with white phosphorus, or the interruption of potable water.

No actually I'm not talking nonsense, see other posts that have replied to you. And the Arabs went out of their way committing pogoms all over the middle-east, and all those Jews who were forced out have never seen a day's worth of compensation for them. As a useful point, said pogoms started just after the grand mufti came back from Nazi Germany, and the creation of the arab brigade. In turn, arab countries started instituting similar policies.

After all, when you flee from your land on the hope that a group is going to be collectively slaughtered and you get it all, is your own damned fault. Never mind that said palestinians will happily put things like armaments and weapon manufacturing in "civilian homes" which is a war crime, they put weapons and weapon manufacturing in mosques. They launch attacks from the grounds of hospitals, homes, farms, and mosques...again all of which are war crimes. The interruption of potable water is *not* a war crime if you still supply it by another source, which Israel does.

Not only are you ignorant of what's going on now, the last 20 years, but you're ignorant of what's happened in the region 70 or even 100 years ago.

Re:now they are nazis

[riT-k0MA]

My high school English teacher once told me that when you die you come back as the type of person you hate the most. Under this belief most jews probably were nazis in the previous life.
Personally, from that day onwards I decided that I hate rich people. Just in case.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

What... that.. Not it isnt worse. Its just as worse, but not worse in any way shape or form, the treatment of any human being like shit(to put it in your terms) is apprehendable and should be stopped. Both sides are wrong and acting like shit. What you are trying to do is determine which turd has the more savorable flavour to it.

Re:now they are nazis

[jalopezp]

Yes, we expect Israel to act like a liberal, enlightened western democracy. And it bloody well should: Israel was not created to act like a warmongering bully but as a safe haven for Jews escaping ethnic and religious prosecution. They have some of the most impressive cultural and scientific communities in the world and should know better.

And we don't expect that same level of civility or liberalism from Syria or Egypt because why would you. It is a double standard, but not one that Israel should be complaining about, nor one that excuses its behaviour.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Modded Troll because Stupid Fucking Moron wasn't available as an option.

Re:now they are nazis

[bogjobber]

Our desire to influence the politics of the Middle East never had much to do with the USSR. It's always been about oil.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

I see why your Kama is so shitty and you post with 0.

Now, you are a -1 Bitch!

Re:now they are nazis

[Molt]

So I may be full of self-loathing but at least I'm effectively immortal.

Re:now they are nazis

[cold fjord]

Yup, like nuclear weapon arming, and massive military investment from the US. The soviet union is long dead.

Funny, I don't see anything there about a long history of genocidal threats and intended genocide by the Arab Nations surrounding Israel. Some of those noted here in this same discussion. I also don't see any mention of Iran's continuing veiled and unveiled threats of genocide against Israel which led not long ago to a rebuke by the Secretary General of the UN.

US military aid to Israel is a minor fraction of its defense budget. At times it has been used to coax Israel into doing things against its interest and in the interest of the US. One example: during the 1991 Gulf War against Iraq, the US sent a Patriot missile battery to Israel to help defend it against Iraqi Scud missile so Israel would not counter-attack Iraq after Iraq attacked Israel.

The Soviet Union may be long dead, but hatred on the part of many Muslims of Jews lives on as part of their religion. Muslims that have never met a Jew in their life are willing to kill them.

Of course Muslims aren't the only ones to have a problem with Israel.

The European Left and Its Trouble With Jews

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

So you studied and got a scholarship and went to school and now have a good job, and work hard to provide a safe home for your family, to create an environment wherein they can thrive and grow and become productive members of the community...

Your next door neighbor, however, threatens that every day. He doesn't have a job, he voluntarily dropped out of school, and doesn't try to find a way to earn an income or become a productive member of your community. Soon after you moved in, he began to use your backyard, allowing his in-laws to camp there, plugging into your electric and water, claiming it as his own to use by Divine Right. Then, after you made them move on and built a fence - one which you made sure had city approval and was in compliance with all laws and strictly along your property line - he simply began to throw garbage over into it, and you are pretty sure it was he who poisoned your dog just the way he'd publicly threatened to do so, and he also encourages his own son to shoot at it and your cat with a rifle. He quite loudly proclaims throughout your neighborhood that *you* are a bully and a liar and that you have attacked his children and are keeping him from being able to use *his* yard, and, when he thinks nobody is looking or cares, he meets you on your way to the car in the morning and tries to bash in your head with a baseball bat. You also know he has told everyone that he would rape and kill your wife and your children, that you and yours are so despicable as to be forfeit of life. He is a brutal person, he deals with you only in the most brutal of ways, he has shown time and again that you cannot trust his word.

Yet because you are such an upstanding citizen, you are not to be allowed to counter his aggression towards you, your family, your way of life. No baseball bat for you, not even a helmet or some shoulder pads. In fact, you should take down that fence and allow his extended family to live in your backyard, in close proximity to your wife and children all day long while you are at work, because you are a "better" person than he is, your education and work ethic will keep your family from harm at his hands and those like him...

Riiiight...

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Interesting. Therefore we had to go and evict and confiscate some other peoples' stuff and give it to the (newly)Israelis.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

Zionism is amoral sociopathy.
You hit it on the head.

It is the moral equivalent of American "Manifest Destiny", the annexation of Silesia, and colonial rule of Congo, Kenya and Nigeria.

I'm always with the Cherokee and the Mau-Maus.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

Yeah. an Orange-grove ghetto, in Tel Aviv.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

Christ, I know the Mail, Telegraph and Express.
But? That's know different than NYT, the Times, Observer or Guardian. Differentiation is just which socioeconomic bracket they aim the stream of sewage at.

It was all over, when Guardian left Manchester, really. Now the most astute british commentary on world and domestic events come from comedians. Wait. I guess that may have always been so.

Still, seeing that the only people who got Woolrich right, and with any nuance, were Stephen Fry and... Russell Brand!?!

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

This is a complete obfuscation and dereliction from your entire thread.

Again, you somehow evade logic and rhetorical conclusion - instead making this a canard about my level of concern and participation.

The validity of recognizing an injustice is NOT measured by the observer's resource and opportunity to assist.

This is the same false argumentation that invalidates criticism, when it is not accompanied by a solution. It is a position which pretends to stand on the high-ground. It is a pose, apparently removed from thorny ethical matters by honoring practicality - while implicating the critic of mere contrariness or outright bad faith.

Later on, you call this "flaming Israel". I suppose that's what you call examining the historical and moral circumstances.

Israel the least of Palestine's problems? It's to laugh! Hell, there's plenty of Israeli's who'll argue that one with you. They show up on mondoweiss.net, often enough.

Re:now they are nazis

[stdarg]

Yes, we expect Israel to act like a liberal, enlightened western democracy.

If they did that, with no further requirements on how everybody else in the ME acts, then they would cease to exist. So that's dumb.

Here's one Western democracy's views: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact" is a phrase in American political and legal discourse. The phrase expresses the belief that constitutional restrictions on governmental power must be balanced against the need for survival of the state and its people. It is most often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, as a response to charges that he was violating the United States Constitution by suspending habeas corpus during the American Civil War. Although the phrase echoes statements made by Lincoln, and although versions of the sentiment have been advanced at various times in American history, the precise phrase "suicide pact" was first used by Justice Robert H. Jackson in his dissenting opinion in Terminiello v. Chicago, a 1949 free speech case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. The phrase also appears in the same context in Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez, a 1963 U.S. Supreme Court decision written by Justice Arthur Goldberg.

Thomas Jefferson offered one of the earliest formulations of the sentiment, although not of the phrase. In 1803, Jefferson's ambassadors to France arranged the purchase of the Louisiana territory in conflict with Jefferson's personal belief that the Constitution did not bestow upon the federal government the right to acquire or possess foreign territory. Due to political considerations, however, Jefferson disregarded his constitutional doubts, signed the proposed treaty, and sent it to the Senate for ratification. In justifying his actions, he later wrote: "[a] strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means."

tldr; liberal values are nice to have, but you have to know when to put them away

Re:now they are nazis

[stdarg]

But the people murdered by Stern and Irgun were innocent. Those who lost homes and property were not even indirectly responsible.

You can't hold one side of a conflict to a different standard than another in the pursuit of justice. Any proposal to correct injustices done by Israel, without a corresponding correction to other parties, is simply compounding the injustice. And as time goes on and the generations change, it becomes a new injustice to hold the new generation responsible for any perceived crimes of the past.

"Troublemakers"? They were just born there, descendents of Ancient Greece, Phoenecia, Rome, Egypt, Sumer and - dare I say Judea. But that's "causing trouble".

What are you talking about? People are troublemakers for making trouble (like engaging in terrorism), not their ancestry.

Re:now they are nazis

[NoImNotNineVolt]

I also don't see any mention of Iran's continuing veiled and unveiled threats of genocide against Israel which led not long ago to a rebuke by the Secretary General of the UN.

Equating genocide with regime change is a bit disingenuous. Way to perpetuate ignorance.

Re:now they are nazis

[stdarg]

The formation of Israel was impossible without massive land theft from the native population

Apparently it's not impossible because that's what happened.

Do you also spend a lot of time yelling at the Sioux for being pissed that the Black Hills were stolen from them?

If Native Americans were regularly engaging in terrorism and justifying it based on some "stolen land" argument, I suspect a lot of people would be yelling at them.

Still calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist because he resisted Apartheid?

Guess what, someone isn't a terrorist depending on whether you agree with their goals, they're a terrorist based on what they do. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

A sense of entitlement to other people's land and property is bullshit

Haha, I actually agree with that. So now that the Jews control the land, it's bullshit for the Palestinians to have a sense of entitlement to it. And if not now (because I can sense you're gonna impose some arbitrary time limit), then they just have to plug their ears and wait a century or two. Then the Jews will have lived there for centuries and the amoral sociopathic Palestinians will be the ones with a false sense of entitlement.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

The moment you said "outlaw nation", I stopped reading. Please.
I'd post under my username, but I"m afraid I'd be an "outlaw poster"

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow, the Israeli shills are out in force this morning - Megaphonies must have been mobilized.

Israel is an evil, apartheid, lying, murderous and ethnic cleansing regime born of terrorism.

The former Director of Studies of the US Army War College - Dr Alan Sabrosky - has made the public statement that "Israel did 9/11" - Israeli personnel are implicated all the way, from Security at WTC, JFK, Urban Moving Systems and the "5 dancing Israelis" that were seen videotaping the first plane impact, high fiving and taking photos of themselves holding lit lighters up with the pyroclastic clouds behind them. These same guys were caught, held, and released to Israel. Where they appeared on national TV and declared 'we were there to document the event'.

Israel also supplied the fake evidence for WMD's in Iraq.

Israel also supplied fake evidence on Iran's nuclear program.

Israel also orchestrated a coup in Australia after their PM criticised Israel publicly for using Australian passports for their assassination activities, replacing him with the current PM whose boyfriend is an Israeli intelligence agent.

The truth is that Israel has murdered US citizens in the present and the past and will continue to do so in future - always blaming it on Israel's enemies.

Re:now they are nazis

[phantomfive]

Your problem is that you are single-focusedly trying to attack Israel. It's not a matter of logic, it's a matter of you looking like you have mental health issues.

From appearances, when you 'examine' historical and moral issues, all you can see is the wrong done by Israel. It's not clear you are capable of objectiveness; until then there's no point discussing it with you more deeply.

Re:now they are nazis

[cold fjord]

No, I was equating genoide with genocide - the extermination of a people. Not sure how you failed to understand that.

Israel has long suffered threats of genocide against it by Middle East leaders. You can see a couple of them in this discussion in this post.

Re:now they are nazis

[NoImNotNineVolt]

That's funny, I didn't see a single instance of the string "Iran" in the post you linked to. Perhaps you provided the wrong URL?

Also, I failed to understand that you were equating genocide with genocide because you brought up Iran, which hasn't threatened genocide against Israel, but has threatened regime change. The fact that western media has widely misrepresented this (by disseminating mistranslations of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad along the lines of "wipe Israel from the map", etc.) is what led me to believe that this is what you were making reference to. If my assumption was incorrect, and you were instead referring to an actual case where Iran did threaten Israel with genocide, I apologize and eagerly await a reputable citation.

Hopefully this clarification has enabled you to be sure of the reasons for my lack of understanding.

Re:now they are nazis

[cold fjord]

Guess the 100,000+ killed by americans in Iraq dont count. Seek help for your delusions man.

The vast majority of the people killed in Iraq were either killed by terrorist attacks ( bombs in shopping markets, that sort of thing) or by extremist militias.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

What else do you call a country in outstanding violation of a half-dozen UN resolutions for more than thirty years, non-signatory to the NNPT, uses chemical weapons and torture on civilian non-combatants, and withholds land ownership, inheritance rights and full citizenship privileges to inhabitants, based on ethnicity?

It's like Wehrmacht on the Riviera.

Re:now they are nazis

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

It's called "imbalance of power".

You advocate equivalency, but it's a false tactic. It's like saying the cop was defending himself, pepperspraying a child in the eyes, after handcuffing him - because the child's cries and thrashing constitute "resisting arrest" and "threat of assault".

Keep backing the pigs. Someday, you'll see how those with no honor treat their friends and defenders. Then? It'll be too late.

BTW, Your handle is the same as my car... And one of John Lennon's.

Re:now they are nazis

[Uberbah]

Apparently it's not impossible because that's what happened.

In some alternate universe where Jews made up 90% of the area's population in 1900, rather than less than 10%? Where the Jews in 1948 (still a small minority) weren't just off the boat from Europe? Where Israel became a Jewish state by majority vote, including Palestinians, rather than via a war of conquest?

The formation of Israel was no more possible without land theft and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians than the formation of the United States was possible without land theft and ethnic cleansing from the Native Americans.

If Native Americans were regularly engaging in terrorism and justifying it based on some "stolen land" argument, I suspect a lot of people would be yelling at them.

WHOOSH. Of course every single attack from Native American's would have been called "terrorist attacks", if they used the same language then that we do now. But then as now, the occupiers cannot whine when the victims of land theft and systematic oppression dare to fight back.

Guess what, someone isn't a terrorist depending on whether you agree with their goals, they're a terrorist based on what they do. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

Then the United States is the greatest terrorist state on the planet, followed by Israel.

Haha, I actually agree with that.

Oh, I doubt that.

So now that the Jews control the land, it's bullshit for the Palestinians to have a sense of entitlement to it.

So it was bullshit for Jews to go after Swiss banks and Nazi guards for actions that happened before the formation of Israel, much less the 1967 war? Or are you going for some "arbitrary time limit"?

Re:now they are nazis

[phantomfive]

Oh great, are you one of those people who also claim, "only white people can be racist?"

I am definitely not going to claim Israel is without fault, I'm advocating for looking at the whole picture.

Re:now they are nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

"But it does equate to a double standard." i would want to hope so, some one did give them nuclear weapons.

Re:now they are nazis

[stdarg]

In some alternate universe where Jews made up 90% of the area's population in 1900, rather than less than 10%?

Nope not an alternate universe, of course I'm referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

Where Israel became a Jewish state by majority vote, including Palestinians, rather than via a war of conquest?

War of conquest is legitimate.. but in any case as I'm sure you know it was British territory at the time and they pretty much gave the Jews a state out of pity for the Holocaust.

As to why the British were "allowed" to do what they wanted with land they conquered, see yourself: "A sense of entitlement to other people's land and property is bullshit"

WHOOSH. Of course every single attack from Native American's would have been called "terrorist attacks", if they used the same language then that we do now. But then as now, the occupiers cannot whine when the victims of land theft and systematic oppression dare to fight back.

I think you got confused with present and past tenses. If NOW, TODAY, the Sioux were regularly engaging in terrorism and justifying it based on some "stolen land" argument, I suspect a lot of people would be yelling at them.

I never called people who fought against Israel in 1948 terrorists.

Then the United States is the greatest terrorist state on the planet, followed by Israel.

That's not far off, actually, but I think it depends on how you define "greatest". Since the US is the biggest, most powerful, and richest country, and has the biggest military and probably the biggest intelligence agencies (budget-wise), it probably commits the most state terrorism. The US definitely does stupid stuff. Hell right now we're giving weapons to Syrian rebels who are terrorists. So that's state-supported terrorism.

That said, if you consider our total capacity (destroying the world) compared to what we actually do (arm terrorists in places we don't care about), it's a tiny ratio.

Compare that to Taliban Afghanistan. Their total capacity is small, but they dedicated a lot of that capacity to terrorism. So who's the "greater" terrorist?

I'd say that in both absolute and relative terms, though, Israel engages in less terrorism than the US simply because it isn't involved in as many countries or movements around the world.

So it was bullshit for Jews to go after Swiss banks and Nazi guards for actions that happened before the formation of Israel, much less the 1967 war? Or are you going for some "arbitrary time limit"?

Ummmm I'm not sure how that follows from what we were talking about regarding control of land. Did Nazi guards even exist at the point you're talking about? What land did they still control that the Jews wanted back?

Anyway, if you're talking about crime and punishment in general, victims deserve justice if they can identify the actual criminals involved. What you don't get to do is hurt innocent people because you were hurt in the past. For instance imagine some Jew today saying "My parents were hurt by Germany in general, so today in 2013 I want to reclaim all my family land in Germany, and any Germans living there have to get out." You know why it's different? The Germans living in your old house right now probably had nothing to do with it, especially 70 years down the road as we are. Even if the great grandson of Hitler himself is living in your old house, he had nothing to do with it.

A less emotional example might be a modern foreclosure victim who was foreclosed on in error. Say the bank already sold the house and someone else is living there and raising a family. If you prove that your house was taken away from you unfairly, what should happen? I don't think you have a right to throw out the family who lives there. The bank made the mistake, th

Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

So when are they going to reenact the attack on the USS Liberty?

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

So when are they going to reenact the attack on the USS Liberty?

^THIS.

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd like to see them reenact 9/11, right down to their cheering in the streets. You bring the buildings, they'll bring the Thermite.

"Yay, now America knows what its like! Forward march American Goyim, as dying for Israel is a noble act - we are God's chosen people, after all!"

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

It works differently: You "shape" some Saudi nationals into becoming terrorists. It works by controlling telecoms and the odd whore then and now. And of course by helping their efforts to evade local security.

That will effect the take-out of that nasty Mr Hussein, who stands up to you, unlike the Saudis. It won't matter none of the terrorists comes from Iraq. After all, this is America !

Re:Liberty

[fustakrakich]

Bring the buildings? Okay

Re:Liberty

[c0lo]

So when are they going to reenact the attack on the USS Liberty?

On June 8, I suppose.

Re:Liberty

[cavreader]

The USS Liberty attack demonstrates why you shouldn't send your SIGINT assets into a volatile war zone. The incident was collateral damage and the Israeli's did apologize. Also at the time the US-Israeli relationship was nothing like it is today. They were not enemies but Isreal was not a US client. In 1956 the US forced France, Isreal, and Britain to call off their attempts to take over the Suez Canal. At the time the Russians were supporting Egypt and continued fighting might have dragged the US into a direct confrontation with Russia. In the 1973 war the US government did not resupply Isreal until after the Israeli's broadcast their intentions to enact their "Samson Option" in the clear so all parties could intercept the message. The Samson option meant they were loading their nukes on their F-4's and Jericho missiles. Nixon agreed the next day to re-supply the Israelis.

Re:Liberty

[c0lo]

The USS Liberty attack demonstrates why you shouldn't send your SIGINT assets into a volatile war zone. The incident was collateral damage and the Israeli's did apologize.

Ummm... did more than apologize: it paid about $13mil for the gaffe. True, the apologies seemed to have helped, as Israel paid only $6mils from the total of 17mils bill+interests quoted to them by US for the material damage.
Anyway, the above is likely to be off-topic: I can bet Israel is not going to tweet about these payments.

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

The USS Liberty attack demonstrates why you shouldn't send your SIGINT assets into a volatile war zone. The incident was collateral damage and the Israeli's did apologize.

Ummm... did more than apologize: it paid about $13mil for the gaffe. True, the apologies seemed to have helped, as Israel paid only $6mils from the total of 17mils bill+interests quoted to them by US for the material damage.
Anyway, the above is likely to be off-topic: I can bet Israel is not going to tweet about these payments.

Then why did Congress increase funding to Israel by the same amount as the settlement, effectively meaning that Israel didn't pay a settlement?

Re:Liberty

[c0lo]

The USS Liberty attack demonstrates why you shouldn't send your SIGINT assets into a volatile war zone. The incident was collateral damage and the Israeli's did apologize.

Ummm... did more than apologize: it paid about $13mil for the gaffe. True, the apologies seemed to have helped, as Israel paid only $6mils from the total of 17mils bill+interests quoted to them by US for the material damage. Anyway, the above is likely to be off-topic: I can bet Israel is not going to tweet about these payments.

Then why did Congress increase funding to Israel by the same amount as the settlement, effectively meaning that Israel didn't pay a settlement?

Do you suggest we are in for an answer to your question via the current "twitter reenactment"?

(grin)

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

The Pentagon did avenge the zionist aerial bombardment and attempted sinking of the USS Liberty ship. There is now open talk about the ex-british zionist submarine Dakar being sunk by the US Navy on its first journey. The yankee even retrieved an emergency buoy from the wreckage, which them mysteriously turned up ashore in Gaza, where a palestinian fisherman found it. The zionists were unable to find the Dakar wreckage despite repeated expeditions, until the Pentagon eventually gave them the exact location, as soon as the neocons took over the Capitol Hill.

Allegedly a syrian government (Assad) navy speedboat discovered, torpedoed and sunk a german-made zionist Dolphin submarine at a depth of 150 meters in early May 2013. There is now a lot of coverup, because those subs are armed with nuclear tipped Popeye cruise missiles. If the iranian allies of Assad can lay their hands on those nukes, they can retrieve the highly enriched fissile core for use in their own nukes, making an invasion of Iran practically impossible and destroying the dream of forming a "Pyramids to Euphrates" sized "Greater Israel".

Re:Liberty

[Bing Tsher E]

destroying the dream of forming a "Pyramids to Euphrates" sized "Greater Israel".

To destroy that 'dream' all one has to do is stop reading the leaflets the trotyskyites have on their table outside the student center.

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

go fuck yourself apologist.

Re:Liberty

[sociocapitalist]

"At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Isreal has a habit of attacking who they want, when they want, where they want...with no repercussions whatsoever.

I am Jewish by birth but I am disgusted with the politics of Isreal.

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

BS it was collateral damage.

It was purposeful murder, to be blamed on the Egyptians, to garner US support for Israel's unprovoked and illegal attack of it's neighbours who were demanding the UN do something about Israel's illegal siezure of lands that were partitioned to Palestine.

Google search 'dead in the water bbc' for a BBC Investigate report that was never allowed to be aired.

Re:Liberty

[mr.mctibbs]

"They were not enemies but the US was not an Israeli client."

FTFY

Re:Liberty

[ponraul]

I want to see the DPRK do a twitter reenactment of the USS Pueblo incident.

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

So, If Israel military is in our war zone and we don't know who they are. We can kill them all and just say we are sorry. Cool !

Re:Liberty

[cavreader]

This kind of mindless dribble always shows itself when someone mentions Isreal. The day a Palestinian state is created is the day the US returns Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Southern California to Mexico. It's not like the world needs another Arab failed state to put up with.

Re:Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

if you really think it was a "gaffe" go watch the excellent bbc documentary "uss liberty: dead in the water" on youtube

AS LONG AS THE NAZIS DO NOT DO THE SAME !!

[Anonymous Coward]

That would be bad !! M K !!

I remember a joke from the time

[NoNonAlphaCharsHere]

How many gears does an Egyptian tank have?

Seven, six in reverse, in case it's attacked from behind.

Re:I remember a joke from the time

[Anonymous Coward]

The "M" at the end of the tank designation for Soviet exports was derisively refered to as the "Monkey model" by actual Soviet mechanics.

The domestic T-72 tank had actual armor, whereas the T-72M export version had poured concrete between the bodywork plating. That's what you get for trusting the reds, I guess.

themoreyouknow.jpg

Re:I remember a joke from the time

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't get it.

Re:I remember a joke from the time

[NoNonAlphaCharsHere]

RUN AWAY!!!!!

Re:I remember a joke from the time

[Dzimas]

Har. Wouldn't Monkey model be designated T-72-O? Monkey in Russian is . ;)

Re:I remember a joke from the time

[Anonymous Coward]

It was said about the Italian tanks 25 years earlier.

Re: I remember a joke from the time

[Anonymous Coward]

not to be confused with the plane that had hair under it's wings.

Re:I remember a joke from the time

[Anonymous Coward]

In military matters you better trust nobody. You verify the efficacy of a weapon yourself. You have an R&D department which will actually shoot at the things you buy from somebody else to see how effective the armor is.
You reverse-engineer their missile control software and fix all their bugs or the jews will "fix" those bugs for you when they come for your installations with their F16s and some "special" pods.

The problem of the Arabs is that they still dwell in the medieval ages.

Re:I remember a joke from the time

[K. S. Kyosuke]

The domestic T-72 tank had actual armor, whereas the T-72M export version had poured concrete between the bodywork plating.

Really? We have a few dozen modernized and upgraded T-72M4CZ tanks and I'm pretty sure the engineers would have noticed the concrete.

Re: I remember a joke from the time

[Anonymous Coward]

I believe the politically correct term is "composite armor". But don't take my word for it:

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/06.html

Re: I remember a joke from the time

[dunkelfalke]

Could be m for macaca, though. That would work in Russian as well.

Re: I remember a joke from the time

[Anonymous Coward]

Martyshka... Native russian speaker here...(something like Ape, one of those smaller monkey like animals)

Re: I remember a joke from the time

[dunkelfalke]

Victor Suvorov is probably readable if you are into alternative history, but if you are looking for facts, his books are at about the same level as Tom Clancy's pulp fiction.

I wonder

[C18H27NO3]

What's the over/under on some news outlet somewhere posting this as Breaking News as if it's currently happening? Wouldn't be the first time media misunderstood intent.

Re:I wonder

[davester666]

It depends.

If the Onion reposts it, or even "reports" on it, then Iran is likely to immediately declare war on Israel for such provocative actions.

Eyeroll

[Anonymous Coward]

Interesting piece of propaganda

Re:Eyeroll

[Anonymous Coward]

Interesting piece of propaganda

indeed, it seems like it's in poor taste.

This isn't new.

[Anonymous Coward]

There have been lots of accounts tweeting history as it happened. Hell, someone is tweeting production pictures from Sean of the Dead on the 10 year anniversary of when they were taken.

Re:This isn't new.

[Anonymous Coward]

Tweeting a battle reenactment when the loser is still your mortal enemy is a little different.

Re:This isn't new.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's "Shaun of the Dead" you fracking idiot. Geebus, you are totally a total idiot.

Re:This isn't new.

[Sir_Sri]

For real.

Antagonizing the brothers in Egypt, their (Israels) friend in Jordan and the nutcase who's using Sarin in Syria seems like a poor plan.

Re:This isn't new.

[jeffmeden]

There have been lots of accounts tweeting history as it happened. Hell, someone is tweeting production pictures from Sean of the Dead on the 10 year anniversary of when they were taken.

"Someone" as in the film's director, Edgar Wright? Oh just a lollygagger who popped round the set now and then, what would he know about making the film?

Oh boy...

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh boy! This will result in many calm, interesting, intellectual posts that might resolve controversies surrounding this issue.

In response...

[Anonymous Coward]

Instants always go at the top of the stack and resolve first. MTG rules.

Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Since when did Slashdot become horribly biased in supporting Israel?

I assume the tweets will come strictly from an Israeli perspective.

Can we have a counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides? Then it would actually be historically interesting, and not pure one-sided YAY WAR, YAY ISRAEL propaganda.

When I read an international news story from an American outlet, I also try to read the Al Jazeera version in an attempt to extract the truth from somewhere in the middle. This is kind of like that.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Since when did Slashdot become horribly biased in supporting Israel?

I assume the tweets will come strictly from an Israeli perspective.

Can we have a counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides? Then it would actually be historically interesting, and not pure one-sided YAY WAR, YAY ISRAEL propaganda.

When I read an international news story from an American outlet, I also try to read the Al Jazeera version in an attempt to extract the truth from somewhere in the middle. This is kind of like that.

Why aren't you modded to -1 yet?

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Can we have a counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides?

Of course not! That'd be anti-semitic!

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Why should it be modded down? I see nothing offensive or stupid in that post. If you want to mod it down, you are quite clearly horribly biased yourself.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[DaHat]

No doubt you felt the same way back in 2011 when someone took to tweeting WWII in real time: http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2011/09/25/how-an-ex-history-student-is-using-twitter-to-bring-world-war-2-to-life/

Were you calling for a 'counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides' back then? perhaps adding: "YAY WAR, YAY ALLIES propaganda"?

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Comparing WWII and Hitler to the pathetic squabbling nation-states bickering over Israel just highlights your extreme ignorance.

It's more like having two Hitlers fighting each other.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

It's more like having two Hitlers fighting each other.

Who the fuck do you think Joe Stalin was, anyway?

Or are you hanging on to the precious delusion that the USA had any kind of decisive impact in the European theater? They only beached at Normandy when they did because it was becoming clear that without a second front, the USSR would push clear on to the Atlantic coast.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[TapeCutter]

Since when did Slashdot become horribly biased in supporting Israel?

The slashdot summary is factual, it doesn't give an opinion on the accuracy or merits of the reenactment. In other words the summary is written as NEWS should be written, the fact it is reporting on IDF propaganda in no way makes it a tool of the IDF.

Can we have a counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides?

Sure, but why would you want to match bad taste with more bad taste?

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Historically speaking, the victors write the history. It's only a recent method of war that actually benefits the losing side. Which explains much.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

More like Apartheid South Africa fighting freedom fighters.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe we could simply ignoring Jewish Warmongering and not give them more mindshare ?

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Hitler's platform was killing anyone who wasn't Aryan.
Stalin's platform was killing anyone who opposed him.

Within Israel, the power's that be (or at least some of them) want to kill all non-Jewish Israelis (Palestinians), and within Israel's opponents, the power's that be want to kill all Israelis, or Jews, or even non-Muslims.

It still looks like two Hitlers to me.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[amicusNYCL]

Can we have a counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides?

I guess "we" can have whatever "we" want as long as "we" are willing to do it. Surely you wouldn't expect the IDF to play characters of the other side and post what they thought would have been said. If "we" can find sources of what was going on in the command centers of the other armies, then I guess "we" could make a Twitter account and start posting that stuff. Or maybe Egypt, Syria, and Jordan can find the time to post that material between dealing with refugees, civil war, protests, etc. Otherwise, shut your hummus hole and don't be surprised that Israel's reporting of a war that they were involved in somehow manages to contain the information as they saw it. It's still historically interesting because it is the account of one party in a war, which is interesting regardless of which war it is, who the parties are, and how much you happen to hate one of them.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Pseudonym]

Can we have a counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides?

...because the only possible outcome of that would be even-handed, dispassionate analysis.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[amicusNYCL]

I also want to point out how you immediately assume that Slashdot's posting of a story about a current event (the IDF giving an account of a past war) somehow makes all of Slashdot "horribly biased in supporting Israel". Who exactly has the bias here?

Re: Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry but that's so much biased crap. Israel is one of the most multicultural areas in the middle east.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

The story got posted. If Slashdot had less bias, it would not have been posted at all.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Pretty simplistic for you. I imagine it must make it easy. The desire for the PLO and HAMAS to destroy Israel and murder its population is pretty well known to anyone who can put even more than an iota of effort into researching it. Every action Israel engages in is a defensive move. They are outnumbered and outgunned by far.

You want an analogy, compare it to the actions of Jews in the Warsaw ghettos (Israel) defending against Hitler (the several nations around it threatening to blow it up on a daily basis). Shit got messy. That's war.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, Mr 8200 Propaganda shitlobber. We now Mr Nethanjahu's line. I would counter that the actual Ghetto is Gaza, where Jews force a massive number of Arabs into a jail, do not allow trade with the outside world and control everything going in and out.

You really have to use your best shitlobbers from New York to make us believe your twisted lies.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Phil Urich]

Every action Israel engages in is a defensive move. They are outnumbered and outgunned by far.

Outnumbered, sure.

Outgunned, err, not so much.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[jedidiah]

> I assume the tweets will come strictly from an Israeli perspective.

Are any of the other parties at Liberty to do so? Since this was a humiliating loss for everyone else, I could see why a lot of the other countries might not be too keen to remember it?

If you wanted to, could you tweet on the other side without getting shot?

Will you make excuses for those countries if the answer is no?

Although the Syrians are probably too busy worried about getting gassed right about now.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Settle down, Achmed.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

I am starting to believe more and more that Israel is a terrorist state. Which is funny because people continue to complain about Pakistan!! There have been a number of things being reported about Israel's plans against other countries. I hate to feed the stereo type but Jews are the greediest people, and I wonder if that greed and hate from there people being tortured thru out time, is leading them to try and get payback, or get they they think is deserved to them? That makes them no better then the Nazi's

Re:Worthless propoganda

[cold fjord]

So you are saying that excluding news about Israel shows you are even handed? I'm not buying that one.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Judging by israel's behavior the past 50 years, I'd say that WAS the "counter channel" in that case.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Ocker3]

Damn you, I came here to post about the Real Time WWII tweeting account (https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII), you stole my idea person in the past!

Re:Worthless propoganda

[LizardKing]

Since when did Slashdot become horribly biased in supporting Israel?

It's a US website, and having witnessed first hand how fucked up the teaching of history and reporting of foreign affairs is in that country I'm not surprised that it's biased. As an example, a couple of years ago a new book on the Anglo-American war of 1812 was published. It got a write up in a US paper where it was lambasted for not repeating the mantra that the British started the war. In actual fact, the documentary evidence proves that it was a war of aggression by the US that attempted to annex Canada while the British were struggling against Napoleon. The plan backfired, as the poorly organised US land forces were repeatedly defeated by determined Candian colonials backed later by hardened troops from Wellingtons Iberian army. Meanwhile the Royal Navy ravaged the US coast unopposed and Royal Marines torched Washington in revenge for similar actions by US forces at the start of the war. The war was subsequently portrayed as a victory by the US, despite achieving nothing more than a status quo ante bellum (the British could have pressed for concessions by threatening to use further forces freed up from the Napoleonic wars, but saw the whole thing as a sideshow and were content with the resultant treaty). The US maintained plans for annexing Canada as recent as the 1930s, and there was even strong public opinion in favour of putting the plan into action in the first two years of the Second World War.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[tinkerton]

That makes them no better then the Nazi's

Especially for Europeans the Nazis are the most readily available bad guy to compare with, so it kind of comes naturally, and I could draw some scary comparisons about the way of thinking between the two parties. But you should should look at the numbers some time. If you look at what the Nazis did, there's no comparison at all. I visited Auschwitz not that long ago. There's no comparison.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

The other side got their buts kicked so bad. They most likely would not want to get a play-by-play.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[doom]

1. This is a ridiculous public relations gaff on Israeli's part, they've choosen to highlight the moment in history when they launched a war of agression and became a rogue state.
2. It's unlikely that this slashdot post was intended as support for Israel, it's far more likely they were providing a forum for people like you-and-I to point out the obvious (or what should've been obvious, if the US media hadn't been asleep for decades).

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

So, you got the left and far left perspective...how balanced. Not to mention Al Jazeera is an effectively non-democratic government run media outlet, which is hardly comparable to a private independent media outlet in a free country, like the US.

The best method is to take in all perspectives, while weighing the interests of each source against the interests of individual freedom of the subjects of the story, using history, knowledge, and logic as a guide to reaching an informed opinion.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Rather than attempting to straw man why don't you reply stating why it would hurt to broadcast the oppositions side? regardless of who they are.

For an example of a sane man's response to the propaganda of victors look to 1984, a book written by an Englishman in the years directly following WWII

Re:Worthless propoganda

[kaatochacha]

I'm sorry, but this discussion seems no more biased than any other mainstream source I've read. In face, I usually see far more "I hate Israel" posts around. Can you honestly tell me you aren't seeing posts slamming Israel here?

Re:Worthless propoganda

[kaatochacha]

Wow. I call dumb on that. The story involves technology being used in an odd way, possibly for propoganda, but still of interest.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[kaatochacha]

Bah. When I was in school, it was pretty taught as us getting our ass handed to us ( I'm American). If anything, it was almost a morality play on hubris.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[kaatochacha]

pretty much, that is.

Re:Worthless propoganda

[stdarg]

In actual fact, the documentary evidence proves that it was a war of aggression by the US that attempted to annex Canada while the British were struggling against Napoleon.

From what I just read on Wikipedia, the US wanted to annex Canada, but there were several acts of war committed against the US that precipitated the war (including British impressment of US sailors, which is enslavement). The US didn't have to go to war over these provocations and I'm sure the desire for Canada played a role in choosing war over diplomacy, but you're making it sound like the US started the war with absolutely no justification. Enslaving another country's citizens is most definitely a legitimate cause for war.

The First in a Series!

[Anonymous Coward]

Future titles:

The US retweets the Trail of Tears.
Japan retweets the Battle of Port Arthur.
Germany retweets the invasions of Belgium and Poland.
Britain retweets the Boston Massacre.
Mexico retweets the Battle of the Alamo.

Re: The First in a Series!

[topherkersting]

And the French Army simply retweets.

Re: The First in a Series!

[Anonymous Coward]

You do realise it was Israel that was attacked on all sides and not the other way around right?

Re:The First in a Series!

[game kid]

...and let's not forget that soon-to-be #tt that's always great at parties and family dinnertime:

Turkey retweets the Funny Thing That Happened With Armenians That Totally Was Not a Genocide or Anything Like That, Turkey Swears.

Re: The First in a Series!

[Anonymous Coward]

And? It's turtles all the way down. Currently it's not helpful to the situation.

Re: The First in a Series!

[Sir_Sri]

You're thinking the Yom Kippur war in 1973. The 6 day war the arabs were massing for an attack on all sides, and Israel pre-empted the lot of them.

There was a (relatively lengthy) period of tension building up to that however.

Re: The First in a Series!

[cold fjord]

This is a good general resource: sixdaywar.co.uk

Re: The First in a Series!

[Uberbah]

You're thinking the Yom Kippur war in 1973. The 6 day war the arabs were massing for an attack on all sides, and Israel pre-empted the lot of them.

You're thinking this revisionist history still flies? Israel started the 1967 war with a sneak attack on the Egyptian Air Force, after Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran. The formation of Israel was impossible without ethnic cleansing and wars of conquest from the people living there, much like the formation of the United States. Except the latter didn't happen a mere 46 years ago.

Re: The First in a Series!

[cold fjord]

Israel started the 1967 war with a sneak attack on the Egyptian Air Force, after Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran.

Blockades in international law are acts of war. You have it backwards as usual, but thanks for yielding the point.

The formation of Israel was impossible without ethnic cleansing and wars of conquest from the people living there, much like the formation of the United States.

The Jews that immigrated to Palestine bought land that nobody wanted and developed it. They paid high prices for other land. The Arab leadership had to threaten to kill anybody that sold more land to Jews to reduce the sales as the Jews were paying very good money. As noted in this post, it was Arab leaders that ordered the Arabs of Palestine to leave their homes so that the invading Arab armies could commit genocide. In 1967 the Arabs nations again gathered their armies to commit genocide, and failed, losing land in the process to tiny Israel. You don't really have a good grasp of the history there.

Re: The First in a Series!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah...

Thats not how it happened. Zionist groups chased Palestinians out of their homes, and now they are committing active war crimes by stealing their land, bombing civilians, and denying food, medicine, and aid to them.

Please stop reading Israeli Goverment talking points.

Re: The First in a Series!

[sociocapitalist]

Israel started the 1967 war with a sneak attack on the Egyptian Air Force, after Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran.

Blockades in international law are acts of war. You have it backwards as usual, but thanks for yielding the point.

It depends - sometimes it's legal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade#Act_of_war

Re: The First in a Series!

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, the acquisition of territory by force is impermissible. Israel has no more claim to the West Bank and East Jerusalem than Germany had to Poland and France. People have a right to return to their own homes, no matter why they left them. Israel's plan all along was to take their land and give it to the state so it can be administered by the JNF, a racist organization that only leases land to Jews.

It's not like Israel's intentions are pure, given their stated goal to turn the place into a homeland for people from Europe and America and witnessing the last 45 years of ethnic cleansing. You may not like it, bit it is Israel that is engaged in genocide. They are slowly destroying the Palestinians so their land can be held in trust for Jews. You'll have to face the fact that Zionism is the exact same type of blood and soil nationalism as Nazism.

Re: The First in a Series!

[Anonymous Coward]

Psst: here's a little secret. If you live in a country, there's a good chance your ancestors killed someone else's ancestors. Deal with it.

Re: The First in a Series!

[stdarg]

Based on your link it looks like it can be a legal act of maritime war (as in, it's not a war crime to blockade a nation you're at war with). I don't see where it says it can be legal as in the blockaded country is "not allowed" to take military action against it.

Re: The First in a Series!

[sociocapitalist]

From the same link:
"Whether or do not a blockade was seen as lawful depended on the laws of the nations whose trade was influenced by the blockade. The Brazilian blockade of Río de la Plata in 1826, for instance, was considered lawful according to British law"

Re: The First in a Series!

[Anonymous Coward]

The blockade of Rio de la Plata was part of the Cisplatine War.

Hyperboleeeee

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

> now they are nazis

Oh come on! Is creating a Twitter account so you can read these "tweets" really that hard?

Cool, why not reenact WW2?

[kill-1]

@Wehrmacht1939: "Seit 5 Uhr 45 wird jetzt zurückgeschossen!"

Re:Cool, why not reenact WW2?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, complete with a Lustwaffel iphone app and a SchmutzStaffel social media campaign. Oh, and a Kriegsmartina game where the object is to find the best soldier-brothels in Athens and Belgrade.

Much more funny than "find American sigint plane and strafe until half of complement dead"

Re:Cool, why not reenact WW2?

[Anonymous Coward]

That's done already! https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII

Re:Cool, why not reenact WW2?

[mwehle]

Much more funny than "find American sigint plane and strafe until half of complement dead"

Not to mention an American sigint Victory Ship!

Dear Sheeple

[Anonymous Coward]

We are about to condition you for the next war we have decided to start. We are the 500 people who run the globe. We have decided that Israel has all rights to have 200 nukes, but Iran does not have this right.

This is difficult to rationally justify, so we will let lots of whiny stories sink into your brain, until you will simply accept our next war. All the idiots of your greater family who have signed up to the armed forces of your respective country might die or lose some limbs. Too bad, that's the price you pay for all the joys of Jewish finance and American war industry achievements. Your Teflon pan is actually made out of burned limbs, ya know.

Did I tell you we have 5322 open positions in C++ drone software development and natural language processing ? You see, war is the father of all great things !!

It's bad form

[OhANameWhatName]

It's bad form for such a peace loving and friendly nation to focus their attention on war, even if it is out of respect for those innocent people who died. This could provoke animosity from nationals of other middle eastern states towards the state of Israel. What if the Palestinians suddenly attacked across Israel's borders? It would be a sad day if Israel needed to use it's nuclear weapons as a threat to protect it's borders.

And it would be such a horrid day for the UN to see war in the middle east for the first time in 46 years! Imagine Israel having to stand in the UN and call for concerted action against warlike middle eastern states? Armageddon I tell you .. those Palestinians are a dangerous lot, don't provoke them!

Re:It's bad form

[Anonymous Coward]

You would be a "dangerous lot", too if you were forcefully evicted from the property that you own, I know I would be. Think about it.

What Israel did to the Palestinians is not so different than what the Nazi's did to the Jews. Think about it.

Israel is a warmongering and greedy country that never should have been created where it was. I have no problem with Jews, just Israel and those countries that continue to pump money and armaments into Israel.

Religion is a big problem in our world and does far more bad than good for humans. Fairly tales and ghosts... gullible people...

Re: It's bad form

[Anonymous Coward]

if you think religion has *anything* to do with the middle east sand niggers, you are fucking too stoopid to waste time on it. take the fuckin oil and turn it to glass. Or maybe we can get the germans/chinese to build a wall. either way, i've spent my whole life in turmoil over these cocksuckers and i really whish they would go extinct.

Re: It's bad form

[Anonymous Coward]

if you think religion has *anything* to do with the middle east sand niggers, you are fucking too stoopid to waste time on it. take the fuckin oil and turn it to glass. Or maybe we can get the germans/chinese to build a wall. either way, i've spent my whole life in turmoil over these cocksuckers and i really whish they would go extinct.

The final solution is genocide. That sounds very familiar.

Re:It's bad form

[Anonymous Coward]

_Some_ palestinians are dangerous, most likely a vast minority.
Comparing what Israel is "doing" to what the Nazis did either shows that you are intellectually dishonest, or plain ignorant. Go study some Holocaust history and some Palestine Region history. I recommend "Jerusalem 1913".

Re:It's bad form

[Sponge Bath]

...focus their attention on war

Euphemisms aside, they are at war. Not focusing on it is a sure ticket to extinction.

Re:It's bad form

[aitikin]

Wow...it took me a good long while to get that the sarcasm was in there somewhere...just wow. It wasn't until the second paragraph. I've been at work too long today.

Re:It's bad form

[gutnor]

Unlike all the other nations involved in this mess, Israel is part of the first world. As such, that kind of re-enactment is of especially bad taste. Israel must also know quite clearly that this will be perceived as provocation by their neighbours and after 60 years of continuous conflict, that's not the kind of thing they would let slip by error. Just a plain dick move.

Re:It's bad form

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not you... I also didn't get it until the 2nd paragraph, as there's enough people here that really think that way for me to assume it was one of them.

(TheSeatOfMyPants, posting anon due to moderating)

Re:It's bad form

[jedidiah]

Hell. You don't even have to focus on what the Nazis did to the Jews. You could completely ignore the Jews and just focus on what the Nazis did to EVERYONE ELSE.

The Nazis were genocidal dirt bags even if you ignore the Holocaust completely.

That's the astounding part of idiots that try to conflate the Nazis and Israel. They don't just have no clue, they have a negative clue.

Re:It's bad form

[OhANameWhatName]

Just a plain dick move

Was that pun intended?

Re:It's bad form

[cold fjord]

Israel must also know quite clearly that this will be perceived as provocation by their neighbours and after 60 years of continuous conflict

So, if the Arab countries alert their Hebrew reading population to get on the internet and go to that web page, some of them might be offended.... by reading what is in the history books, or more or less in Israeli newspapers? I think that is a bit of a stretch. The only people that are really likely to be offended about this are the people that already hate Israel.

Just a plain dick move.

I think you set the bar a bit low there. What is your reaction to this?

Re:It's bad form

[OhANameWhatName]

there's enough people here that really think that way

Lulz .. it's not my thinking which caused you to misinterpret the post.

Re:It's bad form

[gutnor]

I think you set the bar a bit low there. What is your reaction to this [palwatch.org]?

Israel is a first world nation. Would you reaction be the same if you learned that one of your friend beat his wife and kids rather than some unemployed uneducated alcoholic from the shitty part of town ?

Re:It's bad form

[drinkypoo]

It's bad form for such a peace loving and friendly nation to focus their attention on war, even if it is out of respect for those innocent people who died.

Yes, yes it would be, if such a nation were to be involved in this. Sadly, I don't think any of them are. Who's principally involved in this conflict? The primary principals hardly need naming, then there's the UK for their involvement and the US for ours. Which of these nations do you believe deserves the label "peace loving and friendly"?

Re:It's bad form

[drinkypoo]

The Nazis were genocidal dirt bags even if you ignore the Holocaust completely.

You haven't read much of the Bible, have you?

That aside, the history of that region is chock-full of the people of A killing B, and the people of B killing A, repeat ad infinitum.

Re:It's bad form

[Anonymous Coward]

gullible people

Funny you would say that... Think on this. Those same people who were evicted still live in 'camps'. Shouldnt at this point they integrated into the particular countries they fled to? I was nearly 50 years ago at this point. There are 2 groups keeping this fight alive... It takes 2 to fight. Both are playing word games to make themselves look better.

Re:It's bad form

[Anonymous Coward]

Why couldn't they just go back to their homes? Ooops, not Jewish.

Re:It's bad form

[cavreader]

Comparing modern day Israeli actions to the Nazi atrocities redefines and systematically erases the true depravity, hatred, and atrocities the Nazi's committed against not only Jews but anyone else who got in their way.

Attack on the USS Liberty

[sumdumfuk]

I wonder if that broadcast will include the attack on the US Liberty in which they killed 34 American Sailors and was covered up for MANY years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

Surely neither Mr Kissinger, nor Mr Kornblum nor Ms Albright had anything to do with that. Neither those New Yorkers who brought them into power.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder if that broadcast will include the attack on the US Liberty in which they killed 34 American Sailors and was covered up for MANY years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Even Wikipedia doesn't call it what it was - they call it the USS Liberty "incident". Call it what it was - an attack.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[blackraven14250]

You're not biased at all. From your article:

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 (US$21.9 million in 2013) as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 for material damage to the Liberty itself plus 13 years' interest.

Seems like they acknowledged it almost immediately - less than a year to begin to pay the families, which are definitely the most important part of repaying the US. As for an official press release and announcement, you can't forget that the Cold War was going on then, and the entire Middle East was far more unstable than it is even after the Arab Spring.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps because they are NOT an idiot?

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

And they continue the same tactics: They flew low-level mock attacks against a German frigate just a few years ago when that frigate was enforcing a weapons-traffic ban on Lebanon. As part of a peace-keeping mission to ensure the peace after the war of the Jews and hisbollah. The Jews are actually one of the dumbest people that ever roamed the globe - they fly mock attacks against a third, unrelated party who tries to help securing peace. That's what they learn in finance - you need to go for every little advantage, even if it ruins your standing with everybody else.

If I had been the commander of that frigate, I would have turned on the fire control radar and prepared all missiles/weapons for immediate release. And then I would have sailed for Bremerhaven and let those idiots slaughter themselves.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps because they are NOT an idiot?

You, sir, are an idiot. Even the first line of the Wikipedia article says it was an attack: "The USS Liberty incident was an attack..."

My only issue is why the title of the article says "incident". They don't call it the "Pearl Harbor incident".

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

I see that you didn't finish reading the linked-to article. Had you done so, you'd have learned that the problem was that the actual cover-up was not so much about the reality of the attack but that Israel knew the Liberty to be American and shot it up anyway. Or maybe because it was American.

Surviving crew of the Liberty, CIA and NSA personnel who monitored Israeli communications in real-time and aftward, and the US State Department all agreed that the attack was intentional and made in full knowledge that the target was American and neither a worship or hostile.

Which suggests that your own bias is showing.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Uberbah]

You're not biased at all.

You're not projecting at all. The fact they made token payments later does jack and squat to change the fact the IDF knew perfectly well what they were doing at the time, and Jack left town.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[cold fjord]

I wonder if that broadcast will include the attack on the US Liberty in which they killed 34 American Sailors and was covered up for MANY years

The attack wasn't covered up, it was front page news. The fact that you didn't know about it doesn't mean nobody else did.

USS Liberty attack tapes released

The NSA on Tuesday released audiotapes of Israeli pilots and ground control speaking in Hebrew, along with English transcripts.

The recordings were made by a nearby American surveillance aircraft in the immediate aftermath of the attack.

"For your info, it is apparently an Arab ship," says ground control.

"Roger," says the pilot.

"It is an Egyptian supply ship," says ground control.

"Roger," comes the response.

The NSA released the tapes and transcripts under the Freedom of Information Act in response to a request from Miami Judge Jay Cristol.

An author of a book on the attack, Cristol said the tapes show it was a tragic accident in a time of war -- that the Israelis mistook the ship for an Egyptian one.

"I don't think there's any question that anyone who reads these tapes would be absolutely convinced there was the fog of war out there," Cristol said.

Why did Israel attack USS Liberty?

It is a view with which historian Michael B Oren, a senior fellow at the Shalem Center, a Jerusalem academic research institute, concurs.

"Many thousands of documents related to the Liberty have been declassified and in none of these documents will you find a scintilla of evidence to suggest any of these conspiracy theories are true," he says.

"The Golan one is the easiest to disprove because of where the Liberty was, not off the coast of Israel, but Egypt. Its listening devices weren't that powerful that they could listen in on communications in Tel Aviv.
  "Moreover the Israelis were very upfront in telling the US that they planned to capture the Golan Heights and the Americans agreed to it.

"Regarding a massacre of Egyptian POWs, there's no evidence of that. And why would the Israelis try to cover up one atrocity by committing another?

He says the attack has remained a source of controversy because "it has all the ingredients of a good spy scandal. It involves espionage and it involves the Israelis, who are forever a focus of conspiracy theories.

"If I could prove the Liberty was attacked in a premeditated fashion, I would write it - it would be a great historical scoop - but the truth is far more mundane."

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[tinkerton]

Michael Oren is just one step above the notorious "Comical Ali". People in the US are becoming better informed. If the israelis are smart enough , they'll sideline him and get another ambassador.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

so $644,117.6 in todays money per person is a token payment ?

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

This is propaganda.

Google 'dead in the water' - a BBC Investigative report that was never allowed to be aired.

The attack on the liberty was a false flag attack to be blamed on Egypt.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[blackraven14250]

I guess you didn't read the article either. It's pretty clear that by the time Israel knew it was an American ship, it was too late to get the message through due to unrelated failures and overloads in their communications system, and that another communication breakdown on the US ship's side even had the Liberty firing back at the Israelis.

It's a friendly fire incident. It happens in war, and you can't always prevent it, and you can't extrapolate high level political motives based on one incident. The only time people think it's reasonable to do so is when they're biased enough against one of the two factions involved.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Uberbah]

so $644,117.6 in todays money per person is a token payment ?

If it was your brother or father being murdered would you consider that an equitable payment or chump change?

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Uberbah]

I guess you didn't read the article either.

I guess you're not done projecting:

Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote:

"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."

There's a difference between friendly fire and a whitewash of a deliberate attack.

On 2 October 2007, The Chicago Tribune published a special report[6] into the attack, containing numerous previously unreported quotes from former military personnel with first-hand knowledge of the incident. Many of these quotes directly contradict the U.S. National Security Agency's position that it never intercepted the communications of the attacking Israeli pilots, claiming that not only did transcripts of those communications exist, but also that it showed the Israelis knew they were attacking an American naval vessel.

All in the article, if you read it.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[blackraven14250]

I guess Rusk never heard the tapes, because:

English transcripts of the released tapes indicate that Israel still spoke of hitting an Egyptian supply ship even after the attack had stopped.[85][86] After the attack, the rescue helicopters are heard relaying several urgent requests that the rescuers ask the first survivor pulled out of the water what his nationality is, and discussing whether the survivors from the attacked ship will speak Arabic.[87]

A summary report of the NSA-translated tapes[88] indicates that at 1234Z Hatzor air control began directing two Israeli Air Force helicopters to an Egyptian warship, to rescue its crew: "This ship has now been identified as Egyptian." The helicopters arrived near the ship at about 1303Z: "I see a big vessel, near it are three small vessels..." At 1308Z, Hatzor air control indicated concern about the nationality of the ship's crew: "The first matter to clarify is to find out what their nationality is." At 1310Z, one of the helicopter pilots asked the nearby torpedo boats' Division Commander about the meaning of the ship's hull number: "GTR5 is written on it. Does this mean something?" The response was: "Negative, it doesn't mean anything." At 1312Z, one of the helicopter pilots was asked by air control: "Did you clearly identify an American flag?" No answer appears in the transcript, but the air controller then says: "We request that you make another pass and check once more if this is really an American flag." Again, no response appears in the transcript. At about 1314Z, the helicopters were directed to return home.

Unless you're in a position to do what Brad Manning did and release some Top Secret classified documents that prove the existence of any of those communications or the tapes themselves, rather than relying on someone saying "I swear, they exist!", I'm going on the proof that exists.

Re:Attack on the USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

How about the declassified radio communications of the Israeli aircraft at the time. It proved indisputably that there was no conspiracy. The pilots spotted the liberty themselves, and made the call to attack, rather than taking high orders. The aircraft weren't even well-armed, as they spotted the ship on their way back from a bombing run in Egypt.

It was entirely an accident, on a ship that wasn't where it was supposed to be.

But of course, the anti-Israel are always quite anti-fact and anti-evidence...

Fog Of War

[devnullkac]

It would be most interesting if the tweeting team managed to dig deep enough into the historical documents to recreate the fog of war that blankets all such events, announcing and then retracting as reports arrived at HQ (or whatever).

Full realism would be uninteresting since no real HQ would tweet everything it thought it knew at the moment it knew it. But then, perhaps using declassified documents, we could recreate what it would be like to work at the top levels of a Twitter-based government with Top Secret initial and revised reports and guesses bouncing around, seeing how little time people really had to make decisions that put thousands or millions of lives at risk.

Re:Fog Of War

[Anonymous Coward]

Egyptian war ship sunk. #victory

@USA lol, sorry! #oopsies

This is NOT a new one: Already done for WW2

[Anonymous Coward]

This is not something new. Someone else is doing this already for WW2: https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII.

USS Liberty

[Dredd13]

I wonder if they'll tweet an "oops,our bad #fail #sosorry" when it comes time for them to lay waste to an American military vessel in international waters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The God of the Bible is the God of Israel

[Anonymous Coward]

Here is an interesting video on Israel and the fulfilment of Bible Prophecy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HWd3aGu96s

Here is the Gospel (Good News):

http://believenot.com/

Re:The God of the Bible is the God of Israel

[Anonymous Coward]

You see no contradiction in posting a link about signs and wonders and then another decrying seeking the same?

I suspect your belief (second link) is not as secure as you would like and that's why you seek signs (first link) and post on forums seeking to 'help' others (good works, second link).

Brother, remove the log from thine own eye. Actually, take a deep breath, explore the possibility that the myths of a small tribe in the middle east may have ceased to be relevant as anything other than a historical curiosity and that there is no less wonder or joy in embracing a world view that has no need of gods - vengeful, abusive, co-dependent or otherwise.

Re:The God of the Bible is the God of Israel

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

It's been pointed out support for Israel among fundamentalist Christians is not driven from a love of freedom but rather the desire to see Biblical prophecy fulfilled wherein the Jewish people have a homeland and nation.

This is an incredibly cynical position because that then portends the coming end of the world.

Re:The God of the Bible is the God of Israel

[OhANameWhatName]

explore the possibility that the myths of a small tribe in the middle east may have ceased to be relevant as anything other than a historical curiosity

Not as long as religious zealots believe in it. Prophecy is made, people believe in it, hence .. prophecy gets fulfilled. Religion is a whole lot more dangerous than you're giving it credit for. There's never been anything more destructive in human history.

Re:The God of the Bible is the God of Israel

[Anonymous Coward]

oh? how about greed? lust for power?

I have to wonder....

[Ogre332]

how the Israelis would feel if someone created a Twitter account along the lines of "@Treblinka1942" and ran a play by play of the daily events there?

Re:I have to wonder....

[cold fjord]

All the Israelis did was engage in conventional war, not a plan of extermination. But you are interested in countering the Israelis making twitter posts in remembrance of their defeating Arab armies gathering to commit genocide by reenacting an actual genocide. No doubt you consider yourself a humanitarian and a sensitive soul. A pity the Jews have to go and ruin everything by not submitting willingly to extermination, eh?

Re:I have to wonder....

[khallow]

I think it would be educational, eye-opening, and yield a similar degree of propaganda benefit for the Israelis (perhaps you haven't heard of the variety of Holocaust museums which are just classier versions of this idea).

Maybe they could do that next. I do wonder why you think it'd somehow be sauce for the gander.

Re:I have to wonder....

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

You are comparing what? These tweets making Arabs feeling bad about their 1967 assbeating when they ganged up on both sides of Israel, so Jews should be made to feel bad getting an assbeating in World War II because they were ganging up controlling everything in Europe?

I'm trying to figure out WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE.

Re:I have to wonder....

[Uberbah]

But you are interested in countering the Israelis making twitter posts in remembrance of their defeating Arab armies gathering to commit genocide by reenacting an actual genocide.

As is usually the case, what Zionist shitbags complain about others doing, they did first. Stuff like massacres of Palestinians and terrorist bombings of government buildings. From a bunch of immigrants from Europe, as Jews were less than 10% of the population in 1900.

Zionism == Manifest Destiny. An entirely racist sense of entitlement to other people's land, with bullshit canards to try and justify the unjustifiable.

Re:I have to wonder....

[dunkelfalke]

Well, I am sure that if I dig deep enough, I will find the same with your ancestors, no matter of your country of origin.

Re:I have to wonder....

[cold fjord]

As is usually the case, what Zionist shitbags complain about others doing, they did first. Stuff like of Palestinians and terrorist bombings of government buildings.

What you depict doesn't remotely resemble genocide, which was the topic. Killing 6 of 9 million Jews in Europe, or all of the Jews in Israel. Similar to the announced intention of the invading Arab armies in 1948. See this A bomb in the King David hotel compared to the mass murder of 6 million people? You don't really seem to have a sense of proportion, which might explain a lot.

From a bunch of immigrants from Europe, as Jews were less than 10% of the population in 1900.

Jewish immigrants that bought land, even the worst land that nobody else wanted, and made it productive. You also neglect to mention the large numbers of Arabs that immigrated there as well, especially as the Jewish population began improving the economy.

More on Arab immigrants, So called "Palestinians". When they started to flood Palestine as Jews changed and cultivated the vacant land
The Arabs in Palestine

You seem to be making it your mission in life to remove whatever fig leaf of respectability "anti-Zionism" has and fully merging it with anti-Semitism.

The European Left and Its Trouble With Jews

Re:I have to wonder....

[sociocapitalist]

how the Israelis would feel if someone created a Twitter account along the lines of "@Treblinka1942" and ran a play by play of the daily events there?

Generally fine, in all probability, as the goal is to never forget what happened.

Re:I have to wonder....

[Uberbah]

What you depict doesn't remotely resemble genocide, which was the topic.

Which is historical revisionism, i.e. lying.

Similar to the announced intention of the invading Arab armies in 1948. See this A bomb in the King David hotel compared to the mass murder of 6 million people? You don't really seem to have a sense of proportion, which might explain a lot.

Hey! Ford! Up here! (snaps fingers)

You're so far off the rails here that you can't even kept your canards separate and fly off into Godwin territory. But since you went there, isn't it just precious how the same Zionists that would lose their shit if anyone comes within a mile of Holocaust denial turn on a dime and deny the massacres and terrorist attacks of the likes of the Irgun. Which, as you know perfectly well, was the reason why your "Arab armies" invaded after the immigrants laid claim to other people's land. Not genocidal antisemitism.

Jewish immigrants that bought land, even the worst land that nobody else wanted, and made it productive.

Which entitles them to seize their neighbors lands, how exactly? So we should go ahead and give the worst land around Tel Aviv to the Romani, who were butchered by the Nazis with same enthusiasm they had for the Jews, so they can have a homeland of their own. Then, after a few thousand of them have immigrated, they up and lay claim to 75% of Israel.

You also neglect to mention the large numbers of Arabs that immigrated there as well, especially as the Jewish population began improving the economy.

You neglected to mention that those Arabs didn't turn around and lay claim to everyone else's land in the name of Egypt, or Saudi Arabia, or Jordan, or Morder, etc. And hey, Bobby Jindal's parents are from India, therefore the Trail of Tears is just a conspiracy theory! It's all the same ad hoc bullshit.

You seem to be making it your mission in life to remove whatever fig leaf of respectability "anti-Zionism" has and fully merging it with anti-Semitism.

Ah, the last resort of the Zionist shitbag: accuse anyone who questions Israel of antisemitism. If it's not the first result, anyway. Nice try, but you already know that little lie isn't going to fly. Dispossession and abuse were bullshit when it was being done to the Jews, and it's bullshit when Zionists do it to Arabs.

You're standing in the same company as the Inquisition that stole land and property from Jews, and the Popes that forced Jews into ghettos for hundreds of years. But now it's your turn and anyone that gets in your way can go fuck themselves.

Re:I have to wonder....

[Uberbah]

Well, I am sure that if I dig deep enough, I will find the same with your ancestors, no matter of your country of origin.

As for yours. But I'm not claiming that because the Mongols burned down my family's hut in 1235 AD, that that entitles me to seize your land and possessions almost a thousand years later.

When you aren't even descended from Mongols.

Article is Flamebait

[ThePeices]

Why post this article on Slashdot? Its obvious flamebait, bringing out all the hatred, hand-wringing and dubious justifications from all sides of this conflict.

Nothing good is going to come from all the comments in here, ive already seem my fair share of sheer hatred in the comments so far.

Why post this Slashdot? Because its on Twitter?

Re:Article is Flamebait

[Charliemopps]

>Why post this Slashdot? Because its on Twitter?

Because it's an interesting use of technology. Pretending difficult issues like the Israel/Palestine thing do not exist may prevent arguments on slashdot but it's certainly not going to do the world any good. Flamewars on this site are the least of the middle-Easts concerns.

Re:Article is Flamebait

[Anonymous Coward]

Dissing on Twitter? Isn't it enough that you have stolen their chars and massacred their grammar?

Re:Article is Flamebait

[Anonymous Coward]

no, no its not an interesting use of technology at best its a stunt

Re:Article is Flamebait

[ThePeices]

Oh noes! I didn't capitalize my 'i'....

I apologize from the very bottom of my cold, cold heart.

Re:Article is Flamebait

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't want to read about abortion, religion, gun control, Israel/Palestine, or any other intractable question unless there is real news at hand. Even the, the topics should stay off Slashdot unless it is either a very major news story or has a non-trivial technology (esp. computer science) angle.

I agree with GP, nothing good will come of posting this story on Slashdot.

Re:Article is Flamebait

[gl4ss]

propaganda is hardly a novel use of technology anymore..

Re:Article is Flamebait

[drinkypoo]

Why post this Slashdot? Because its on Twitter?

In short, yes. It was big news when news came to television. It was big news when news came to radio. News was probably big news when news was new.

Also, page hits.

Twitter vs Wall St

[Aaron B Lingwood]

Last time there were tweets of this nature, Wall Street had a flash crash.

I wonder if the 1.4% drop in the S&P500 today is related in any way.

Re:Twitter vs Wall St

[Anonymous Coward]

um... no.

Re:Twitter vs Wall St

[Aaron B Lingwood]

um... no.

I am unsure to which of my two statements that is referring to as neither was a question

Last time there were tweets of this nature, Wall Street had a flash crash.

um... no.

So are you saying that this event didn't take place? [citation needed]

I wonder if the 1.4% drop in the S&P500 today is related in any way.

um... no.

So are you saying I am NOT wondering if the drop is related

While I am somewhat confused, I do have one very strong argument to put across - and it goes a little something like this:
um... whatever.

See

[Anonymous Coward]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Religion

You tell him!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, on both sides. Did you know that the Jews globally lost more property than they gained in 1948? After Arabs lost the war, Jews everywhere in the Middle East were essentially evicted and all their stuff was confiscated, depriving them of wealth amounting to almost three billion dollars (1948 dolllar value, try adjusting *that* for current value) and lands larger than the 1948 Israel.

You tell 'em!

I'm a Catholic and a bunch of 'us' also had our property stolen and 'we' were exterminated by the Nazis too.

So, I guess I can go and take someone else's land and home too? Right?

Same goes for the Gypsies, Romas, Gays, mentally retarded, and every other group of people that the Nazis had a problem with.

I Love Hasbara!

[Anonymous Coward]

1. We Rule! Israel Invented the Intel Core i7, the cell phone, and the cherry tomato! Half of all Nobel laureates are Jewish! We Made the Desert Bloom!

2. They Suck! They blow up buses and pizzerias, launch rockets at us, and didn't pop out of a Jewish vagina!

3. You Suck! You aren't giving Texas back to Mexico so we aren't giving back the West Bank and won't stop cleansing Jerusalem.

4, Everything Sucks! The Holocaust, Cambodia, Darfur, Iraq, etc... what's a little ethnic cleansing when G-d promised the land to us?

If you disagree you are an antisemite.

Interesting!

[Anonymous Coward]

No doubt you felt the same way back in 2011 when someone took to tweeting WWII in real time: http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2011/09/25/how-an-ex-history-student-is-using-twitter-to-bring-world-war-2-to-life/

Were you calling for a 'counter channel with a play-by-play according to the other sides' back then? perhaps adding: "YAY WAR, YAY ALLIES propaganda"?

That's the first I have ever heard of such thing! I wonder why that didn't get mentioned on Slashdot?

USS Liberty?

[zdepthcharge]

Will they tweet the attack the USS Liberty? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Saw

[justthinkit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw

Re:Saw

[Anonymous Coward]

Funny, two morons citing wikipedia trying to look smart.

yawn

[Anonymous Coward]

Re-enacting the six day war just strikes me as warmongering.

Why?

[dskoll]

I wonder why the IDF is doing this? Are they completely tone-deaf to public opinion?

I support Israel, but sometimes their PR blunders make we wonder what exactly they are thinking....

Re:Why?

[bill_mcgonigle]

I wonder why the IDF is doing this? Are they completely tone-deaf to public opinion?

Just the opposite, I'd figure. Let's see what public sentiment for a new war with Syria or Iran is like before and after this war-glorifying propaganda. I'll bet it goes up. People are like that all over.

Re:Why?

[amiga3D]

Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark.

Re:Why?

[cold fjord]

Are they completely tone-deaf to public opinion?

Whose public opinion? All the Hebrew speaking twitter readers spread across the world and in all the Arab lands?

I don't suppose you know of any Arab nations that have actual celebrations and parades for their armed forces instead of twitter posts, do you?

Egypt: Armed Forces Begin Sixth October Victory Celebrations By Air Parades - 5 October 2012

The Armed Forces will begin on Saturday celebrations of the 39th anniversary of the 6th October War victory by staging air parades in the skies of 21 cities in 12 Egyptian governorates.

Different types of military aircraft will partake in the parade to show the high capabilities of the Air Force servicemen.

The military air shows will be held in the governorates of Cairo, Giza, Alexandria, Beheira, Sharqiya, Daqahlia, Gharbia, Ismailia, Suez, Port Said, Beni Sweif and Minya

Good grief, who will warn them?

Re:Why?

[mvdwege]

Yes they are. The IDF is the world's most autist organisation, too arrogant to ever think it could be in the wrong.

Don't take my word for it, General Spector analyses it quite well in the last chapters of his memoirs 'Loud and Clear', to name just one source.

Re:Why?

[tinkerton]

The IDF is the world's most autist organisation, too arrogant to ever think it could be in the wrong.

I doubt if that describes the situation well. The IDF does have a military doctrine that is not very common, and it involves being able to strike whenever they consider it in their interest. This doctrine of complete military freedom is completely illegal in terms of international law, but it's accepted in the case of "poor little defenseless" Israel (poor little Samson as some call it). If you can get away with it, there's nothing crazy about it at all. Cynical, but smart.

It can get weird at times. Some military actions have as their main purpose just to assert this doctrine. The attack on Syrian's Al Kibar was such a case. Off the record people would admit there was no sense of threat at all in that case but after the Lebanon debacle there was a need to reassert the doctrine.

Re:Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

The IDF does have a military doctrine that is not very common, and it involves being able to strike whenever they consider it in their interest.

Also called war.

Re:Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

I support Israel,

Why? They are evil, perhaps even slightly more so than their neighbours.

Re:Why?

[tinkerton]

I support Israel, but sometimes their PR blunders make we wonder what exactly they are thinking....

If their PR hadn't been excellent overall, you wouldn't be supporting Israel . The problem in the last years is not one of bad PR, but of PR getting a job that's becoming too hard to be successful in.

Historically the 67 war has been enormously successful in terms of building worldwide support so it's not unnatural to try to cash in on this again.

Re:Why?

[drinkypoo]

The IDF does have a military doctrine that is not very common, and it involves being able to strike whenever they consider it in their interest.

What I've noticed in history is that most of the planet has been conquered again and again, and again and again and again. It has been conquered from the West and conquered from the East, it has been conquered by Asians and by Europeans and then by Americans, it has been conquered from land and from sea and more recently even by air, more or less; you may not be able to hold a land with aircraft but you can sure as shit drop a bunch of men and equipment on it.

I'm not cheerleading for this behavior; far from it. The other thing I've noticed is that in between the wars is when culture flourishes. Endless war takes us nowhere.

Re:Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

Whose public opinion? All the Hebrew speaking twitter readers spread across the world and in all the Arab lands?

You're right. Their propaganda is working just fine on the intended target audience.

For those of us looking in, we see psychopathy for what it is.

The Jewish population is being screwed by the psychos in power. If I were a Jew, I'd steer waaaay clear of the "holy" land. And I'd renounce my religion asap. Religion is for idiots.

The world is getting really, really fed up with Israel's sick bullshit and transparent propaganda. A religion which explicitly tells its followers that they are the chosen ones and everybody else should be considered less than human is no better than a religion which promises a bunch of virgins in the afterlife. Religion combined with psychopathy is the problem.

The day is coming when nobody will lift a finger when the sky falls on Israel. Except for perhaps their puppet government in the US, but then they're sinking fast as well.

I'd say "Good Riddance" if it weren't for the fact that a lot of regular, every-day people have been bamboozled into following stupid religions and into following stupid propaganda and are going to suffer as a result of a collection of mad religious/political leaders and their thirst for blood.

Re:Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

"This doctrine of complete military freedom is completely illegal in terms of international law..."

Did you just make that one up? What an interesting assertion backed up by .... absolutely nothing. Perhaps you can cite the International Law that was passed by ??? and then signed into "Law" by ??? "the President of the World"?

The question you need to answer is whether or not your stupidity is genetic. If so, please do the rest of humanity a favor by not reproducing.

If not, please attend an "International Law" school and then attempt to pass the "International Law" bar exam and then start representing paying customers in the "International Law" courts.

You really are a stupid twit.

Re:Why?

[kbx911]

trololol - nuke em till they glow, shoot em till they blow

Divine right

[amightywind]

The arabs must be driven from the Jewish lands forever.

Why is this necessary?

[Anonymous Coward]

Is there any point to doing this other than to be provocative and rattle the cages of people who were involved?

serious

[Anonymous Coward]

lag

Zionistdot

[Anonymous Coward]

Serving them jews well I see..

Dice is a Jewish controlled company

[Anonymous Coward]

CmdrTaco sold /. to the Jew World Order.

Re:Dice is a Jewish controlled company

[amiga3D]

I saw what you did there.

Re:Dice is a Jewish controlled company

[kbx911]

shut the fuck up hasbara faggot, it's true, all my posts about jews get censored here by trolls

horseshit propaganda

[Anonymous Coward]

fucking warmongers and any idiot who uses twitter can go fuck theirselves

No it's not

[denmarkw00t]

This is a new one

No it's not.

@CenturyAgoToday
@RealTimeWWII

Neat, though, but certainly not the first.

Re:No it's not

[sockman]

Damn I came here to say this and you beat me to it. At least those two aren't quite the propaganda machine.

Except it's not "a new one"

[rhizome]

Here's the Twitter account for the Titanic play by play. I seem to remember there was an earlier one as well.

https://twitter.com/TitanicRealTime

Re:Except it's not "a new one"

[Collin]

even closer to the "live tweeting a past war" idea is Real Time WW2 Tweets, which has been going on since August 31, 2011.

So, new to the OP, not really a new idea though.

Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petards

[Uberbah]

Israel's justification for starting the 1967 war is the Eygptian blockade of the Straits of Tiran. Which, for some reason, also entitled them to seize a great deal of surrounding land, most importantly the West Bank.

Except that means that any and all attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah in response to Israel's total blockade of Gaza are completely justified, according to Israeli rules. Just as Israel's possession of a couple hundred nuclear weapons means that they should be threatened with economy-destroying sanctions and military strikes, if Iran is threatened with the same in case they someday decide they want a nuclear weapon.

Orwell says hello.

[Anonymous Coward]

Why is it "preemptive strike" when it's an ally but an "invasion" when it's not?

Re:Orwell says hello.

[tinkerton]

Hello Orwell. I agree. In the case of the 1967 war I've seen historians who would fully agree that the Israeli generals were fully aware there was no threat of Egyptian attack, but somehow in the end they would keep using the words preemptive strike even if they'd just agreed that was wrong. At the least they could say preventive strike. If you strike whenever it suits you you can always say it's preventive. In a way it always is right, but it is just an euphemism for wars of aggression. The only Israeli or pre-israeli war I would call defensive was the Yom Kippur war, and even that one was completely avoidable . It took many (6) years of taunting the Egyptians. Zeev Maoz wrote a book about it , Defending the Holy Land.

Re:Orwell says hello.

[cold fjord]

Egypt committed an act of war against Israel. The historians you refer to may not be doing their job properly.

May 23rd 1967

Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran (Gulf of Aqaba ) to Israeli shipping, thereby cutting off Israel’s only supply route with Asia and stopping the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. By international law, this was an act of war.

There is plenty more at that site, you might want to wander around it.

Re:Orwell says hello.

[tinkerton]

There is plenty more than you are aware of. The consensus has always been Israel was defending itself in 1967. That means virtually all the books about that war repeated it.

Except for the silent minority who were better informed. It happens that after a while the minority view gains traction , maybe because it's no longer important to keep silent about it.

There is no straight line between the closing the Straits of Tiran and attacking all the neighboring countries and taking as much land as you can. It's a lawyer's argument. Israel recently bombed Damascus. That's an act of war. Nobody even bothered.

Re:Orwell says hello.

[cold fjord]

So, being cut off from it oil supplier and having a key trade route blocked... no big deal then? That isn't what the Israels' leadership indicated. The Arab nations were quite open about their preparations and intent.

"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight." - Gamel Abdel Nasser, May 3oth 1967.

“Those who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.” - Ahmed Shukairy, chairman of PLO in Jordanian Jerusalem, asked in news interview what will happen to the Israelis if there is a war

“All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel” - Cairo Radio

Israel [will] not initiate hostilities “...until or unless (Egyptian forces) close the Straits of Tiran to free navigation by Israel”- Prime Minister Levi Eshkol message to France’s President de Gaulle

source

I am intrigued about your "silent minority." Are they silent because they are sworn to secrecy by the government because they actually know something based on having held official positions? Or, on the other end of the spectrum, are they simply anti-Semitic cranks that find society no longer as hostile to their views so they begin spreading them? When it comes to Israel, either is possible. At the moment I don't have any indication that you are referring to anybody with secret government information, and various countries in Europe, for example, are becoming increasingly hostile to Jews and Israel. I would be interested in any light you care to shed on the matter.

And land? Would that be Sinai that Israel held as a buffer while Egypt was still openly hostile and its leaders threatening genocide? You know the Israelis eventually gave it back in a peace deal? And Gaza, which they unilaterally withdrew from several years ago?

Acts of war come in many sizes, some that will be ignored, and others that almost certainly won't. Bombing a shipment of weapons bound for an enemy in a civil war is one thing. Cutting off an entire nation's fuel and significant trade routes is another.

I hope you aren't throwing in with a bad lot.

Re:Orwell says hello.

[tinkerton]

I hope you aren't throwing in with a bad lot.

In a way. Matti Peled, Menachim Begin, Yitzhak Rabin, Levi Eshkol. They all have left quotes about what was going on. Do you expect generals to make noise about this except for an offhand quote? Your concern is touching, but the reason you're focusing on the closing of the straits is because the narrative of preemptive war has run dry. Sure, the closing of the straights was a tense situation, but it could be resolved. Or not. It would mean Iran had to go round with its oil. BTW Iran has had the Straights closed to it for 30 years now.

Too many people stopped believing Nasser wanted war. Nobody wanted war with Israel, since it was well understood that Israel could walk over all of its neighbors. The CIA for some odd reason keeps a page on their site about its prewar estimate of how long it would take Israel to completely win a war if they sat down and waited for all their neighbors to attack at once. The estimate was 8 days. That's why when Levi Eshkol sent Abba Eban to the US with the Poor Little Shimshon routine, the US didn't really buy the story.

The son of Matti Peled has not long ago gone public with some of the thinking at that time. Miko Peled on 1967.

So....

[lightknight]

Any particular reason they are choosing to do this?

Re:So....

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, I'm sure there is.

World War II was first, on the internet as well

[Anonymous Coward]

There's already been a long reenactment of World War II on the part of the internet we call Twitter.com for a while now: https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII

propaganda test

[globaljustin]

It is propaganda, but it looks to me like they are testing some kind of whole system that does this...maybe it scrapes updates from some kind of internal database of action reports?

Whatever it is, it's like an "API" for tweeting a war...the IDF has been keen on using twitter as part of it's media relations...or propaganda depending on your view...

They had 18 year old IDF draftees posting pics of themselves with their rifles like it was summer camp...hashtaging with #phonecian

The writings of Zev Chafets are instructive here...you *have* to read between the lines, but his books tell it all...ex: in the troubles in the 80s, commanders were told to give everyone in their units Biblical names for when they had to interact with American troops...shit like that...

Time Machine

[Anonymous Coward]

Ever want to go back in time and participate in something extraordinary? What about bringing a past event into the present (like bringing the mountain to Mohamed)?

Tweeting some of the moments is nothing more than collecting the milestones though. All the cause and effect are still untold though six days would have been quite a whirlwind.

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[cold fjord]

Israel's justification for starting the 1967 war is the Eygptian blockade of the Straits of Tiran.

So, Israel's justification for attack was an act of war by Egypt? Brilliant!!

Except that means that any and all attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah in response to Israel's total blockade of Gaza are completely justified, according to Israeli rules.

Wrong again. First, it isn't a total blockade. If it was, the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza would not have been able to build a new shopping center, would they? But weapons are being stopped, like the many Iranian rockets being smuggled into Gaza.

Biggest mall in Gaza Strip opens its doors

Second, Gaza is not a nation state, but a territory. It shouldn't be attacking anyone. Any attacks coming from there are either direct aggression by the Hamas government, or terrorism

Third, it doesn't have an army, navy, or air force.

Just as Israel's possession of a couple hundred nuclear weapons means that they should be threatened with economy-destroying sanctions and military strikes, if Iran is threatened with the same in case they someday decide they want a nuclear weapon.

Israel is not a member of the Non Proliferation Treaty, it has no obligations under the treaty, and its possession of nuclear weapons is unproven. Iran is a member, has obligations, and they seem to be in breach of treaty on top of being rebuked by the UN Secretary General for repeatedly threatening Israel's existence. Note that the issue between Israel and Iran is totally Iran's fault. Israel and Iran were allies when the Shah governed Iran. It was only after the Islamic revolution that the new Iranian government declared Israel an enemy to be destroyed. Israel did nothing to warrant that.

So, you continue to side with would-be genocidal aggressors and repeatedly condemn the only liberal democracy in the Middle East, often on specious grounds. For some reason this comes to mind:

Queers for Palestine

No single group better exemplifies the cognitive dissonance on display at these rallies than Queers for Palestine, also known as QUIT -- Queers Undermining Israeli Terror. What is left to say about the fundamental self-contradicting nature of such a group?

In Israel, gays live openly and happily in a free and liberal society. There is a thriving gay scene, just as there is in the United States and many other Western democracies.

But in Palestine -- as in most Islamic countries -- being gay is not only frowned upon, it is a crime often punishable by death. Tales of what life is like for gays in Palestinian society are horrifying in the extreme. In fact, gay youth in Palestine frequently flee to Israel if they can get a chance.
So why in the world would gay activists in the most gay-friendly city on Earth protest against one of the other centers of gay liberation (Israel) and for one of the planet's most violently oppressive homophobic societies?

This is the essence of cognitive dissonance -- the condition of holding two differing beliefs that are so incompatible and contradictory that the only way to internally reconcile them is to, well, go insane (to use the layman's term). Because, try as I might, I can't comprehend any other justification for being a member of QUIT other than insanity. ...more

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Which, for some reason, also entitled them to seize a great deal of sur

Well at least its honest about who started it...

[Anonymous Coward]

Bring on the apologists who still maintain that firing the first shot in some way doesn't mean you started it.

Nostalgia of war

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, the nostalgia.

Demonstrating in real-time that so called israel is not just corrupt, apartheid, and arrogant, but wholly mentally sick.

Re:Nostalgia of war

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, and I believe they have nothing better to do... what a bunch of sick fuckers...
I think I am going to retweet the Holocaust, because I am a little bored...

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Anonymous Coward]

So, Israel's justification for attack was an act of war by Egypt? Brilliant!!

Wrong again. First, it isn't a total blockade. If it was, the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza would not have been able to build a new shopping center, would they? But weapons are being stopped, like the many Iranian rockets being smuggled into Gaza. [haaretz.com]

The egyptian blockade wasn't complete, either. They just let pass whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. Like Israel does in Gaza.

Second, Gaza is not a nation state, but a territory. It shouldn't be attacking anyone. Any attacks coming from there are either direct aggression by the Hamas government, or terrorism

Labelling. Is anything it can't solve?

Palestine is not a state just because Israel does not want to give up any land grabbed since. They want ALL the land but WITHOUT those filthy arabs. They managed expelling most of them in the 6 days war through a campaign of terror (terrorism, we could call it), but now that people has seen they won't be ever allowed to get back to their former houses the arabs refuse to flee away. From then, it's been sixty years of Israel policy determined to erradicate the muslim population. Sort of gas chambers or forced sterilization they are going to try everything to get rid of the people while keeping their lands. And I don't rule out sterilization completely.

Third, it doesn't have an army, navy, or air force.

Had they, surely they wouldn't resort to shitty homemade missiles. Surely Israel could kindly provide them any?

Israel is not a member of the Non Proliferation Treaty, it has no obligations under the treaty, and its possession of nuclear weapons is unproven. Iran is a member, has obligations, and they seem to be in breach of treaty on top of being rebuked by the UN Secretary General for repeatedly threatening Israel's existence.

Every treaty can be repealed. Acording to artice X of the treaty, a three-month advice is all what it takes. Doing so, however, it would be an admission they are trying to do it and being attacked by Israel and the USA - two countries very well known for it's preemptive strikes tendencies. One could think Iran has the same rights to develop their own nuclear technology without being bombed in the process as South Africa or Israel had, if thinking that were allowed.

Note that the issue between Israel and Iran is totally Iran's fault. Israel and Iran were allies when the Shah governed Iran. It was only after the Islamic revolution that the new Iranian government declared Israel an enemy to be destroyed. Israel did nothing to warrant that.

If you support a dictator you are not a friend of the revolution which overthrows him.

Funny you mention how free and happy is the gay scene at Israel the same day an homophobic crime in Israel hits the news. Face it, Israel is a theocracy, and it's religious leaders are just like those across the borders.

So...

[Anonymous Coward]

When are they going to re-enact threatening to execute the Samson Doctrine and nuke the world?

Already done

[Anonymous Coward]

> This is a new one, twitter as a form of historical reenactment

not really, https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII has been running for 2 years already.

How mature.

[peppepz]

Do the same people who are responsible for this initiative also get to make choices involving weapons?

This is a new one

[Captain Hook]

"This is a new one, twitter as a form of historical reenactment:

No it's not, Duxford Air Museum, which was a major air base during WWII tweeted the fighter sortie logs from the Battle of Britain on the relevent days in summer 2010.

http://www.airshows.org.uk/news/2010/04/raf-duxfords-battle-of-britain-operations-are-brought-to-life-through-the-power-of-twitter/

I actually found it remarkably moving subscribing to that feed. Far more than just watching television shows about the same period, you would often get reports of new aircraft/pilots arriving at base, maybe notice the same name showing up in lots of logs about hits or kills against enemy aircraft, then a simple statement about the same pilot killed or missing in action.

The logs were a perfect document to tweet because they were short single line statements of engagements and base arrivals and departures drawn up after sorties by ground personnel.

solution to all problem

[beefoot]

When my kids are fighting for the same toy, I would take the toy away from both of them. If they don't learn how to play nice, neither of them get the toy. The solution is obvious to me, if both parties couldn't play nice living on the same piece of land, nuke it. No one get it :-) The world will be peace again. No?

Re:solution to all problem

[dacaldar]

I agree with what you do with your kids, but surely you realize that it's overkill to "nuke it". Forcibly removing both parties would be a bit more palatable, but still, in practice, where would you put them? No, I'm sure the world powers have thought of these ideas and agreed that it's preferable to keep pushing for a more reasonable outcome, even if it has taken too long.

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't bring logic and facts into this.

It's about hate, and the continued attempts to exterminate a people. If they can vilify them enough maybe the good folks like Uberbah can fire the ovens up again.

RE-Tweet?

[Anonymous Coward]

Wouldn't the verb retweet imply that it had been tweeted once before? Didi Twitter fall through a time warp to 1967, along with the internet? Does this mean we can get a livestream from some early Zepplin and Hendrix shows?

Just wondering.

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[NoImNotNineVolt]

and its possession of nuclear weapons is unproven

I like keeping my head in the sand as well. We should hang out sometime.

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[NoImNotNineVolt]

I really should've read the rest of your comment before posting.

This is quite possibly the most biased, ignorant, and misinformative post I've ever seen on this subject.

And that's saying a lot.

Of all the half-truths you mention, I can't help but be amazed by your talk of the Shah? Really? You grant legitimacy to the Iranian puppet government installed by the USA? And you expect people to take you seriously?

Interesting idea. I'd kinda like to follow, but...

[jonadab]

That's an interesting idea. I'd kinda like to follow it, but my Hebrew isn't *quite* that good. Okay, my Hebrew is nowhere near that good. I still need a lexicon just to read basic gradeschool-level stuff, *with* the vowel pointings, and without vowel pointings I am completely lost.

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Anonymous Coward]

Never mind then how Nasser expelled the UN troops from Sinai and send in a 100,000 of his own, chanting "We're going to Tel Aviv!"

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Uberbah]

Never mind then

Yes, you neverminded the fact that Israel started the war with a sneak attack on Egypt, with forces of it's own that it had been assembling for some time. Any reason why that is?

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[niceworkthere]

Historical ignorance at its finest.

That spark — the claim that Israel had been massing troops near the Syrian border — was a Soviet lie, and everybody knew it. The Egyptian chief of staff personally inspected that border, the Syrians themselves sent reconnaissance planes. They found nothing and discarded the claim. Eshkol even suggested to the Soviet ambassador to jointly inspect the Israeli side of the border — he declined.

Neither in Israel nor Syria did foreign press report any mobilization, which on any larger scale would have been absolutely unconcealable.

Yet on the 15th May — Israel's Day of Independence — Nasser announced a military emergency and started to sent the first two armored divisions into Sinai.

Nasser expelled the UN troops on the 16th May. Israel started partial mobilization only on that same day, full on the 19th.

By the 17th, Egypt ordered its armed forces to take up battle positions in Sinai.

By then three Egyptian divisions with more than 600 tanks had began fanning out through it. Damascus was simultaneously mobilizing 50 cadet battalions, Iraqi brigades were moving towards their Jordanian border. Kuwait, Yemen and Algeria announced readiness to dispatch troops and planes.

(Ultimately it would be 1,300 Israeli tanks vs 2,500 Arab ones, 746 artillery vs 2,780, 247 fighter jets vs 557, etc.)

As late as on the 20th, Israelis tried to get De Gaulle mediate with the Soviets, and requested Washington to make good on Eisenhower's 1957 declaration to demonstratively send a warship through Tiran — no response was forthcoming.

His successor Sadat would later recall Nasser's own words: "Now, with the concentration of our force in Sinai the chances of war are fifty-fifty but if we close the Straits, war will be a 100 per cent certain."

Nasser would close said straits, recognized in 1957 by the maritime nations as international waterway, to Israeli shipping on the 22th.

In a speech before unionists on the 26th, Nasser would boast: "The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel."

No Israeli PM would ever say anything like this.

Nor would Israeli troops ever publicly march through Tel Aviv chanting "We are off to Cairo."

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe so but it still doesn't justify the 45+ year long ongoing occupation and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Eretz Yisrael.

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Uberbah]

So, Israel's justification for attack was an act of war by Egypt? Brilliant!!

So you're admitting that since blockades are an act of war, attacks in response to the blockades of Gaza (and now Iran) are totally justified by Israeli rules?

Brilliant!

Wrong again. First, it isn't a total blockade.

Of course it's a total blockade. Nothing gets in without Israel's approval - that's why they murdered people on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla for daring to bring in food and supplies.

the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza would not have been able to build a new shopping center

Ooo! A shopping mall! Have they rebuilt all the homes destroyed in Cast Lead? If you are shot by an IDF sniper for shits and giggles can you get a wheelchair promptly? How fast will your recovery be while you're being starved, I mean put "on a diet"?

Second, Gaza is not a nation state, but a territory. It shouldn't be attacking anyone. Any attacks coming from there are either direct aggression by the Hamas government, or terrorism

See, this is the problem with trying to justify the unjustifiable - you end up using ad hoc bullshit that will have you squawking with butthurt the second it's turned on you.

So:

If Arabs had done to Jewish settlers in 1947 what Israel has spent the last decades doing to the Palestinians, you would have been just fine with that because there was no Jewish nation-state at the time. You would have been okay with ethnic cleansing, Apartheid, periodic bombings, and fucking starving the Jews. Because there was no Jewish nation-state.

Squawk.

Then there's your other problem: your canard is out of date, since the U.N. voted to give Palestinians status as a non-member state. If you argue that vote changes nothing, then you're also arguing that Israel is not a legitimate state, just because settlers went before the U.N. in the late 40's to ask for nation status.

Squawk.

the Non Proliferation Treaty

Is batshit irrelevant to America's and Israel's illegal threats against Iran, as both the U.S. and Israel admit that Iran has no nuclear weapons program.

and its possession of nuclear weapons is unproven

Who do you think you're even trying to kid here? Mordechai Vanunu?

. Note that the issue between Israel and Iran is totally Iran's fault. Israel and Iran were allies when the Shah governed Iran. It was only after the Islamic revolution that the new Iranian government declared Israel an enemy to be destroyed. Israel did nothing to warrant that.

Even you know you're in outer space here. There's Israel - maker of dozens of first strikes and wars of choice - making constant threats against Iran - who hasn't attacked another country in two centuries. And you're citing the Shah, seriously? The brutal, torture loving dictator?

So, you continue to side with would-be genocidal aggressors and repeatedly condemn the only liberal democracy in the Middle East, often on specious grounds.

You mean the liberal democracy Iran had until it was destroyed by Israel's sugar daddies, the U.S. and Britain? Outer. Space. And calling Israel a "liberal democracy" is laughable on it's face when it's dependent on Apartheid to stay in power.

For some reason this comes to mind:

More bullshit canards, you mean? Uganda has never been friendly to gays, therefore there was nothin

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Uberbah]

Historical ignorance at its finest.

Halfwitted wishful thinking at it's poorest.

Yet on the 15th May â" Israel's Day of Independence â" Nasser announced a military emergency and started to sent the first two armored divisions into Sinai.

Hey, look, you left out the part where Israel lied about being attacked first.

By the 17th, Egypt ordered its armed forces to take up battle positions in Sinai.

Because Israel, the most powerful and belligerent military force in the region, has never moved troops or weapons in preparation of possible war with it's neighbors or made threats to do so. Like it's been doing to Iran, over the nuclear weapons program that Israel admits that Iran doesn't actually have.

But even buying your selective timeline, nothing changes the fact that Israel struck first, which means Israel started the war.

Oh, and then there's the almost inconsequential fact that Israelis admit they didn't expect to be attacked by Israel, making the whole operation a land-grabbing war of choice for Israel. Whoopsie doopsie.

Now you can stick that in your ignorant pipe and smoke it.

This is not "A new one".

[dacaldar]

@RealTimeWWII has been doing this meme for years. I like it, fairly educational in a few ways. And relatively neutral.

Slaughter in the Sinai & USS Liberty

[Anonymous Coward]

When they get to the part about murdering up to 1000 Egyptian POWs in the Sinai and trying to sink the USS Liberty knowing it was an American ship killing about 170 US service members wake me. Until then just re-writing history in a new form.

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[niceworkthere]

Hey, look, you left out the part where Israel lied about being attacked first.

And you omitted that little fact that this claim came in the Security Council meeting on June 5, the day the war actually started, or about three weeks after the 15th.

Because Israel, the most powerful and belligerent military force in the region, has never moved troops or weapons in preparation of possible war with it's neighbors or made threats to do so. Like it's been doing to Iran, over the nuclear weapons program that Israel admits that Iran doesn't actually have.

A total movement of 100,000 troops and hundreds of tanks outside of war, together with a multitude of other belligerent actions (again, eg. expelling the UN, closing the Straits) — no, it had not done that. Moreover, prior to the later 70s, Israel by no means was "the most powerful" military force — sure, it always had the superior and more competent personnel, but material-wise it was absolutely outgunned, which without decisive maneuvers (heavily relying on surprise, like to destroy the entire Egyptian air force on the ground) could have readily resulted in its defeat — as Egypt and Syria would show in 1973: That war could have easily resulted in their (partial) military victory had Egypt not made the idiotic decision to step outside of its SAM umbrella and Syria similarly not run out of such missiles.

But even buying your selective timeline, nothing changes the fact that Israel struck first, which means Israel started the war.

One notices how you shifted the topic from Israel's rationale to who started the war, and how you quietly dropped that "assembling for some time" claim — "whoopsie doopsie" indeed. Moreover, fog of war almost always leads to misreadings of the situation, particularly in a country that remembers how all of its neighbors invaded the day after its declaration of independence.

Oh, and then there's the almost inconsequential fact that Israelis admit they didn't expect to be attacked by Israel, making the whole operation a land-grabbing war of choice for Israel. Whoopsie doopsie.

Yeah, like when it returned the Sinai in exchange for a proper peace deal with Egypt years later, or how it emphatically urged Jordan to stay out of the 1967 war — which joined the fray after falling for Egypt's lies about fantastic military victories.

Now you can stick that in your ignorant pipe and smoke it.

Hear, hear!

Re:Once again, Zionists hoisted on their own petar

[Anonymous Coward]

you seem to forget israel is the one doing all the killing (often without being attacked first). They even tested genocide bombs in africa. They are not the light of peace and good will you make them out to be.

Israel attacked the US just like Lavon Affair

[Anonymous Coward]

What else have they done?
9/11, US and Israel:
http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-II-Possession-interrogation/dp/1450257437