The NSA: Never Not Watching

Trailrunner7 writes "For many observers of the privacy and surveillance landscape, the revelation by The Guardian that the FBI received a warrant from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to require Verizon to turn over to the National Security Agency piles of call metadata on all calls on its network probably felt like someone telling them that water is wet. There have been any number of signals in the last few years that this kind of surveillance and data collection was going on, little indications that the United States government was not just spying on its own citizens, but doing so on a scale that would dwarf anything that all but the most paranoid would imagine." And now the Obama administration has defended the practice as a "critical tool."

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Re:Constitution

[CanHasDIY]

NSA Warrant Submission:

Place to be searched: Verizon Databases
Things to be seized: Everything

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Warrant issued.

Your Friend,
Judge Rubberstamp

Obama

[codepunk]

"You've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems," Obama said. "You should reject these voices. Because what these suggest is that somehow our brave, creative, unique experiment in self-rule is just a sham with which we can't be trusted."

Re:seems all the politicos are in favor

[khasim]

From that article:

This renewal is carried out by the FISA Court under the business records section of the Patriot Act. Therefore, it is lawful.

Lawful is not the same as Constitutional. I'm pretty sure that our Founding Fathers would NOT have supported this.

As you know, this is just metadata.

If it is "just" anything then why are you so concerned about collecting it?

The information goes into a database, ...

That's even worse. They're COMPILING information about citizens without even having a "reasonable suspicion" about those citizens.

... the metadata, but cannot be accessed without whatâ(TM)s called, and I quote, "reasonable, articulable suspicion" that the records are relevant and related to terrorist activity.

Who cares? If there is "reasonable, articulable suspicion" THEN you go after the records. With a WARRANT. And the warrant IDENTIFIES those SPECIFIC people you have a "reasonable, articulable suspicion" of.

As you know, and Iâ(TM)ve pointed out many times, there have been approximately 100 plots and also arrests made since 2009 by the FBI.

Go on ...

I do not know to what extent metadata was used or if it was used, but I do know this: ...

If YOU do not know then who DOES know?

And if YOU do not know then YOU should not be trying to IMPLY that there is any link between collecting this information and cracking any plots.

I do not know to what extent metadata was used or if it was used, but I do know this: That terrorists will come after us if they can and the only thing we have to deter this is good intelligence.

More of our people die when their own family kills them than die from "terrorists" in the US.

If "the only thing" that will protect us from these "terrorists" is collecting information on our own citizens then I am willing to take that risk.

Re:Constitution

[turp182]

And the telecommunications companies have immunity from prosecution for such requests being fulfilled (it was even retroactive at the time to squash active lawsuits).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/supreme-court-telecoms-win-immunity

Re:I would have had a frsoty post

[hairyfeet]

"I believe the puppet on the left shares MY beliefs, well i believe the puppet on the right has My interests at heart...hey wait a minute, there is one guy working both puppets!"..Bill Hicks.

Can we PLEASE just accept that the whole "left versus right" thing is nothing but kayfabe to give the sheep the illusion of choice? I mean why do you think Obama kept ALL the crap about Bush that the left hated? because its the same corporate masters behind the curtain pulling the strings, he was told to STFU and read the cue cards and play his part. Ventura said being a politician was no different than wrestling, you pretend to hate the guy while the camera rolls and when it stops you have lunch together. Why do you think Goldman Sachs has stayed in control of the fed no matter if there is a D or R in the white house? Why do you think the press drums up and pushes the hell out of "issues' like gay rights when most don't give a fat fuck about that either way? because these things the corps don't give a fat fuck about either, so no matter what the population chooses it won't affect them.

So can we PLEASE finally end the lie that voting is gonna do jack shit in a two party system? Obama kept every bit of the jack booted bullshit dubya started and then some, and no matter whom you "choose" (which is in and of itself a scam, look up "Jon Stewart Ron Paul" to see how many hoops the press went through just to make sure that Paul had no chance during the primary, or the behind the scenes video Alex Jones got of the RNC where the outcome of the voice vote shows up on the prompter BEFORE the vote was called) all you are gonna get is coke in a can versus coke in a bottle, only pre-approved corporate shills need apply.