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What Can You Find Out From Metadata?

cervesaebraciator writes "In the wake of recent revelations from Edward Snowden, apologists for the state security apparatus are predictably hitting the airwaves. Some are even 'glad' the NSA has been doing this. A major point they emphasize is that the content of calls have remained private and it is only the metadata that they're interested in. But given how much one can tell from interpersonal connections, does the surveillance only represent a 'modest encroachments on privacy?' It is easy enough to imagine how metadata on phone calls made to and from a medical specialist could be more revealing than we'd like. But social network analysis can reveal far more. Duke sociologist Kieran Healy, in a light-hearted but telling article, shows how one father of the American Revolution could have been identified using the simplest tools of social network analysis and only a limited dataset."

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  1. Bend over and submit citizen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unequal application of government power and laws is directly akin to removal or destruction of a person or organization's citizenship and rights. It is directly equivalent to the acts of a Slaver.

    Slavery, or the forced removal/infringement of a person's civil rights for the pleasure or profit of another is considered to be an act of Hostis Humani Generis, or in other words, an Enemy Of All Mankind.

    Everyone involved in this atrocity should be hanged after trial.

    1. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't like it? Move to China.

      That's a great comeback -- don't like something about your country? Well pack up, get out, and move someplace worse because america is perfect the way it is so you either need to accept that or get out - we don't need your changes!

    2. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't like it? Move to China.

      That's a great comeback -- don't like something about your country? Well pack up, get out, and move someplace worse because america is perfect the way it is so you either need to accept that or get out - we don't need your changes!

      Hence the reason I typically refer to such offal as "The Idiot's Adage"

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    3. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't like it? Move to China.

      That's a great comeback -- don't like something about your country? Well pack up, get out, and move someplace worse because america is perfect the way it is so you either need to accept that or get out - we don't need your changes!

      A couple of points here. First, Snowden ironically fled to Hong Kong, which is China. I think the GP was making a joke. Here's your whoosh!

      But in response to your post, there is some logic behind the "Love it or Leave it" argument. For example, there are many in America who want to make America like Europe, and work hard to transform it to that. It makes sense to ask these people, "Why don't you just move to Europe?" Here is why the logic works: If they were to move to Europe, they could line under a government that is exactly what they want. They'll be happy there. As a bonus, those of us who like things in America the way they are get to stay and live in under a government that is exactly what we want. It's a win-win! We all get what we want. On the other hand, when they stay and fight to transform America, they make themselves miserable living in a country they don't like and make the rest of us miserable fighting to keep them from changing America into a country we won't want.

      Why try to change the place you live into someplace else when you could simply move to that someplace else?

      Please forgive the off-topicness

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    4. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you just answered that - because it's the place I live... my family, my friends, my home, my job, etc are all here in the USA so why would I want to pack up and leave? And if I really feel that what I'm advocating is an improvement, why wouldn't I want to share it with everyone?

      Because we don't want your "improvement" and we don't have the option of moving as there is no place else in the world that has the economic opportunity and freedom that the US has.

      Hmm...isn't that what people said about racial segregation? We don't want "those" people on "our" bus or drinking from "our" fountains? Or about gay rights "If we let the gays marry, then everyone will want to marry their dogs and once heterosexual people see homosexual people in committed marriages, it will tear heterosexual marriages apart!".

      I didn't even say what "improvement" I wanted, so how can you say that you don't want it? Don't you value my freedom of speech? You're trying to shut down my opinion before I even voiced it.

    5. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you just answered that - because it's the place I live... my family, my friends, my home, my job, etc are all here in the USA so why would I want to pack up and leave? And if I really feel that what I'm advocating is an improvement, why wouldn't I want to share it with everyone?

      Because we don't want your "improvement" and we don't have the option of moving as there is no place else in the world that has the economic opportunity and freedom that the US has.

      Hmm...isn't that what people said about racial segregation? We don't want "those" people on "our" bus or drinking from "our" fountains? Or about gay rights "If we let the gays marry, then everyone will want to marry their dogs and once heterosexual people see homosexual people in committed marriages, it will tear heterosexual marriages apart!".

      I didn't even say what "improvement" I wanted, so how can you say that you don't want it? Don't you value my freedom of speech? You're trying to shut down my opinion before I even voiced it.

      I'm not talking about civil rights. I'm a conservative libertarian. I'm talking about economic and personal freedom. Some of us just want to be left the hell alone while others demand that someone oversee what I do in my personal and financial life. It is how things used to be and the system worked quite well. For example, there are more people in poverty today than there was when Johnson declared a "War on Poverty". There are more people smoking marijuana today than there was before marijuana was made to be illegal. More people have a cocaine problem today than when cocaine was legal and could be purchased in a bottle of Coca Cola. the federal deficit was smaller before there was an income tax. The list goes on and on.

      There are those of us who see that when government makes up a problem and declares war on it, that problem always gets worse. You would think that people would realize this and just stop it, but that hasn't happened. It has actually gotten worse. It seems that the more government fails, the more people demand that the government needs to grow to fix those problems. It's an endless cycle and the only end I see is absolute failure before we are allowed to restore what works.

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    6. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But in response to your post, there is some logic behind the "Love it or Leave it" argument. For example, there are many in America who want to make America like Europe, and work hard to transform it to that. It makes sense to ask these people, "Why don't you just move to Europe?"

      Here's why the logic doesn't work - those people are made of straw. You are working backwards with your argument - starting from the 'fact' that the changes they want resemble some of the policies in Europe to assuming they want to make the US into Europe. The goal is not to transform the US into Europe, the goal is to integrate what they consider to be the good parts of European policy and leave out the bad parts.

      As the saying goes:
      My country, right or wrong...
      if right to be kept right,
      if wrong to be set right.

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    7. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep. And there isn't a single political system in the world that can prevent an act like that from being passed. You know why? Because any legal framework (and that's what the Constitution is, nothing more, nothing less) that forbids this law can be changed to allow it. The only thing that cannot be changed are religious texts, and most of the western world fought long and hard to remove religious texts from legal frameworks. Turning the Constitution into a religious work will be counter-productive on an epic scale.

      For a real-world example of exactly this, look into a tax-act that was passed right after the 2008 crisis: it essentially targeted specific AIG bankers with massive taxes so that they would not be able to enjoy their 8-9 figure bonuses that they were paid out at the end of 2008. It was the Beardo-act, except aimed at bankers. And everyone cheered it on, and everyone agreed it was Constitutional.

      The only thing that prevents this type of legislation is a social understanding that this is Not Cool (TM). The only way to achieve that is through education. And, looking through the current thread, education is exactly what's missing.

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    8. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by reve_etrange · · Score: 4, Interesting

      there is no place else in the world that has the economic opportunity and freedom that the US has

      Maybe that was true once, but it has long been a commonplace that upwards social mobility is greater in Europe than in the United States.

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    9. Re:Bend over and submit citizen by Zof · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well for an improvement you could move to Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand, Switzerland, Canada, Chile, Mauritius, or Denmark....all ahead of the USA if you trust this source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

  2. I'll know it is modest when by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll know it is modest if the general public can get a dump of the meta data for every elected office holder as well as their staff members, and all judges. If they have nothing to hide then this shouldn't be a problem. If not then the NSA can fuck off.

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    1. Re:I'll know it is modest when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      maybe, you don't consider it so bad to have a government computer find out who my friends
      are, what I bought, and where I traveled.

      whats happening already though is your aggregate information is being used to profile you based
      on whether or not you cluster with normal acceptable people. what happens if you get labelled
      an outlier by some heuristics the govenment used..well, of course you get increased surveillance.

      ok. but what happens when that profile, much like a credit check is already being used today,
      restricts your ability to fly on an airplane, or get a government or other job. or travel outside
      the country. what happens if you get stopped by the police for a headlight being out, and because you have a yellow star
      in your file they decide to detain you for enhanced questioning techniques.

      you're just a tiny hair away from having the government make a value judgement totally opaque to you about
      your entire life, without you having broken any laws. deciding whether you are probably a good guy or
      possibly a bad guy.

      you still think thats ok

    2. Re:I'll know it is modest when by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Informative

      That would get them to scream about it.

      Imagine if we could actually hold our public officials accountable for their actions.

      See here for what it actually looks like for one politician in Germany.

      http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention

      "Green party politician Malte Spitz sued to have German telecoms giant Deutsche Telekom hand over six months of his phone data that he then made available to ZEIT ONLINE. We combined this geolocation data with information relating to his life as a politician, such as Twitter feeds, blog entries and websites, all of which is all freely available on the internet."

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  3. Apologists Be Damned by Phoenix666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I voted for Obama twice.

    Anyone who serves as apologist for the NSA, the Whitehouse, and Congress on this proves himself an enemy of the Constitution and the American people. There is no justification for this. There is no gentle dismantling of the Constitution. It stands above this or any government in Washington, D.C. Anyone in Washington D.C. who assaults it like this means the destruction of our Republic and the subjugation of its people.

    Obama must be impeached. The Congressmen and Senators who support his actions must be impeached. The courts who OK this must be removed. Washington D.C. must be burned to the ground and rebuilt if there are none there who will honor their oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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    1. Re:Apologists Be Damned by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      I voted for Obama twice.

      Then you have no one to blame but yourself. Obama openly supported warrantless wiretaps before his election in 2004.

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    2. Re:Apologists Be Damned by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Funny

      "How's that hopey, changey thing working out for you?"

      One would think, if for no other reason, he'd have done a better job just to prove that stupid bitch wrong.

      *Sigh* You know the situation is royally fuckt when Sarah Palin quotes start to sound so much as half-assed intelligent...

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  4. This story hit the news in 2006 ! - It's old news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why is it suddenly a big deal now?

    NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

    Updated 5/11/2006 10:38 AM ET

    By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY

    "The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

    The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans â" most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews."

    http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm

  5. Analogue analogue by GODISNOWHERE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its as if someone from the government physically followed you wherever you went and wrote down the places where you made a cell phone call and how long you talked on the phone. The also record when and where you send a text message. Almost everyone would find this unbelievably creepy.

    Of course, no human actually does this for regular citizens, and no human looks at it — unless you are being investigated, which the government don't need probable cause to do (according to their interpretation of Section 215 of the PATRIOT act.) Then it really is as if someone had followed you and recorded all of this information.

    1. Re:Analogue analogue by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, no human actually does this for regular citizens, and no human looks at it — unless you are being investigated, which the government don't need probable cause to do (according to their interpretation of Section 215 of the PATRIOT act.) Then it really is as if someone had followed you and recorded all of this information.

      I doubt you need to be under active investigation to come under scrutiny by an analyst, all you need to do is have similar call patterns as a suspected terrorist and come up in an automated data mining search "Hey, terrorist XYZ made calls to a bunch of Home Depots, Radio Shacks, and truck rental places before he built his bomb. And look, Joe Public called nearly the same set of places. Let's take a look at his email to see what he's been up to". I bet they'd be able to subpoena your email with a single click from the analyst's search app if Amazon hadn't gotten that one-click-shopping patent.

  6. Where is the outrage? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where is the outrage over this? It's amazing, Clinton gets a blow job from an intern and he gets impeached by the House! But yet this happens and... nothing. Oh, sure, the media is -talking- about it, people are -talking- about it, but where are the protests? Where is the action? Revolutions have been fought over less than this!

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  7. Why bother? by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obama must be impeached. The Congressmen and Senators who support his actions must be impeached. The courts who OK this must be removed. Washington D.C. must be burned to the ground and rebuilt if there are none there who will honor their oaths to defend and uphold the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    We could do all that, but we'd be right back where we started. The fundamental problem is the American people, who have time and time again said that they simply don't care. The government listening to our calls? We don't care. Reading our emails? We don't care. Hiding disturbing truths about our perpetual wars? We couldn't care less.

    Blame government officials all you want, but remember this: as a democracy we get the government we deserve.

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    1. Re:Why bother? by reve_etrange · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to mention the fact that the democracies which actually exist do not implement simple majority-rules tyrannies. They implement representative or hybrid representative / direct systems with significant checks on the power of majorities and minorities.

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  8. Meta data - traffic analysis by hhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government has long wanted better, meaning highly reliable means of conducting traffic analysis... who knows who, who talks to whom, etc. You can use this data for good or bad.. you can use it to break past the limits in typical "cells"... you can find the path/person who links from one cell to another..

    My own take is there is a enough personal data and information in meta data that use of it deprives us of our rights to be secure in our home and in our papers.. our communications with others, Etc.

    Back in the days of the Clipper chip, the chip had done into wide spread use it's use would have given the NSA, Etc nearly perfect traffic analysis since each chip would have it's own unique and cryptographically signed ID. Fast forward, everyone walking around with a cell phone has an unique ID, several in fact including their phone #, and that's the value of all the meta data.. it's often more important than what is being said, it is who is talking to whom...

    Knowing everyone who talked to OBL in say 1995 or 1990 or 1985 would be helpful to find his network in 2001 or 2002, Etc. It can be helpful when tracking bad guys, but it can be used to track anyone for any reason and find their entire network of friends and family.

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  9. So "guilt by asociation" instead of plain guilt? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh yes, that makes me feel MUCH better. It concerns me that in the event I ever dialed a wrong number that I could end up on a terrorist watch list somewhere.

  10. Basically everything by gweihir · · Score: 4, Informative

    You need content only to create initial suspicion. Metadata is quite enough to find out whom else to wiretap.

    I do expect however that with the next NSA datacenter or at the latest the one after that they will try to go for full or nearly full voice data retention and analysis in the form for keword filters. I think this is approaching feasibility now. Then they can create initial suspicion from phone conversation contents. What they will also eventually want is full web browsing history, propably reduced to URIs, user-names and passwords. That one is a bit more tricky though, as it requires server-side cooperation for everything SSL, SSL interceptors are never truely invisible. Full email body retention and analysis are also certainly on that list and should be implemented shortly.

    Just as a side-note let me remind everybody that all this has no preventative value against terrorism at all and servers only to identify politically undesirables early on and to create blackmail material for political use and similar applications. It may also serve to identify possible targets whenever the FBI needs to create a few more "terrorists", because there are not enough genuine ones.

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  11. The old, white guys knew... by Bodhammer · · Score: 5, Informative

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
    -Benjamin Franklin

    "... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    -Thomas Jefferson

    "The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing."
    John Adams

    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."
    -Patrick Henry

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
    -William Pitt

    "If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
    Samuel Adams

    "The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them."
    Patrick Henry

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  12. Who watches the Watchers? by ChromaticDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It may indeed seem a good thing to archive all this sort of meta-data in order to facilitate some sort of specific data-mining operation. Proper controls may indeed be in place so that appropriate warrants must be obtained to look through the data for any particular individual or group.

    But all of this depends heavily on trust. Do you TRUST your government (and all future versions of such) to constrain themselves to appropriate usage of the data and indeed for the integrity of the data overall? If you cannot see yourself trusting your worst imaginable politically opposite cretin with such power, this really ought not to be something you'd support.

    What in the world would prevent a government from altering the data as they see fit to crucify whoever they'd like? You'd need not have an ironclad case for conviction to destroy folk. Just sufficient "evidence" to link them with child-pornography, drug-lords, or whatever may be deemed reprehensible and let the media finish the tar-and-feather job.

    Maybe the various service providers maintain their own copies of the data. Maybe not. But the "old" way of depending on CALEA to turn on a tap after a warrant seems far less susceptible to blatant abuse than a system where all the taps are supposedly taken ahead of time.

  13. Your info has already been voluntarily given up. by rMortyH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Did any of these people stop to consider that CPNI data is routinely sold by Verizon and all other carriers unless they specifically opt out?

    How many Americans who are complaining about this have opted out of the CPNI sharing clause of their contracts?

    You are already giving permission, by not opting out, to your wireless and landline carriers to sell your metadata to ANYONE for ANY REASON, including the government, who may buy it on the open market just like anyone else. This data is seldom anonymized, and when it is, you can still search for specific characteristics to find the information of a specific person. And, any entity willing to pay for the information may have it, and it can be bought through a third-party data aggregator who will de-anonymize it and bundle it with plenty of other interesting facts about YOU.

    How many people have actually read their terms of service? Have they gone through the arcane process of opting out of the voluntary sharing of CPNI data? (Every year, for each carrier?) Will they now complain that no one warned them? Did they expect their politicians to keep them informed? If the politicians had tried, would they have listened? They didn't care when this became the norm 10 years ago, and now suddenly it's intrusive?

    This is what happens when you don't pay attention.

  14. Re:But Do We Need This? by citylivin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the price to pay for security is selling my privacy, then I say security be damned!

    Of course it would be USEFUL to have all citizens monitored. Whats even more useful would be having cameras in peoples homes, recording everything they said and did. How terribly useful that would be!

    Obama is as bad as they come. He has had lots of chances now to make up for bush era fuckups. There are no more excuses for his behaviour that I will take.

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