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Birthday Song's Copyright Leads To a Lawsuit For the Ages

New submitter chriscappuccio sends this excerpt from the NY Times: "The song 'Happy Birthday to You' is widely credited for being the most performed song in the world. But one of its latest venues may be the federal courthouse in Manhattan, where the only parties may be the litigants to a new legal battle. The dispute stems from a lawsuit filed on Thursday by a filmmaker in New York who is seeking to have the court declare the popular ditty to be in the public domain, and to block a music company from claiming it owns the copyright to the song and charging licensing fees for its use. The filmmaker, Jennifer Nelson, was producing a documentary movie, tentatively titled 'Happy Birthday,' about the song, the lawsuit said. In one proposed scene, the song was to be performed."

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  1. Protecting the arts and artists by torkus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right? /sarcasm

    I'm glad someone is pushing this topic (finally) and this is the perfect example. It's one thing to protect artists but the never-ending copyright extensions doing nothing of the sort. They ensure the media companies can generate recurring profits but, by and large, provide limit benefit to those actually responsible for the work. Oh wait...corporations are people now too.

    Hopefully this is decided firmly, not on some silly technicality, and sets a precedent for other cases so common-use media can be pushed into public domain. Maybe someone will rule that copyright law is unfair, unconstitutional, or similar and FORCE our government to review this and move to a more rational policy.

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    1. Re:Protecting the arts and artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Culture is being held ransom; music, literature, film, television... any medium you can think of is illegal to share, perform or otherwise widely enjoy without paying a gatekeeper. Thanks to the nature of the system if something isn't "saleable" it is left forgotten to rot in some media archive somewhere.

      Back at the turn of the 20th century piano roll music was quite popular and sophisticated however much of it is lost forever because of the same kind of greed.

    2. Re:Protecting the arts and artists by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1) Put in reforms that revert copyright back to a shield and curb it's use as a sword.

      And one of the best ways to do that is...

      2) Disallow corporations to own copyrights. Require that they be in the name of actual persons and make it so they can only be leased to a corporate entity. That way the corporation is beholden to SOMEONE.

      and of course

      3) Get rid of Micky Mouse copyright.

    3. Re:Protecting the arts and artists by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As much as I hate corporations pulling crap like this, this type of "corporations aren't REALLY people" precedent would create so much legal chaos that this would ultimately be a horrible idea.

      Corporations are people, or they aren't.

      But I do agree that the length of copyrights is a joke (with companies like Disney leading the way on that front).

    4. Re:Protecting the arts and artists by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also - copyright terminates when the author(s) die. None of this life-plus-eleventy-thousand-years crap. When you kick, your works revert into the public domain ... we *all* benefit from that.

    5. Re:Protecting the arts and artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Every time this suggestion comes up, I repeat that I don't want the law to create more incentives for homicide.

    6. Re:Protecting the arts and artists by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do you think a corporation is? If we just switched the term corporation to business would your suggestion start to fall apart? When an author/artist dies, so does their copyright?

      Let's pretend I make a movie. The day before release, the individual assigned for the copyright is shot. Can my competitors now charge admission to replay my movie?

      The real problem is just duration, not the entity holding the piece of paper. You could argue the need for a moral copyright beyond a commercial copyright, but I think you end up on the same slippery slope.

      12 Years from first commercial publication.

    7. Re:Protecting the arts and artists by kasperd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that copyright is already tied to the life of the author. It's just the life of the author plus a really stupidly long time...

      That additional time is so long, that it removes all incentive to attempt influencing the expiry time. Either the author is already dead, in which case the expiry time can only be changed by changing the law. Or the author is still alive, in which case the copyright of the work will last for so many years into the future, that no living person will care about the exact date. It is easier to influence the expiry time by having the laws changed, which is happening faster than copyrights are expiring.

      I personally, in this current system, would limit copyright for all works to a mere five years. With a requirement to retain attribution for maybe another five or ten years after that. But, ten to fifteen years after a work is first published, or say twenty after it is first recorded (if not published), make it fall into true public domain, without even the requirement for attribution.

      I agree it should be tied to the publication date. But I think five years is too short. I consider 20 years from the first publication (with author's permission) to be more appropriate. It should come with certain requirements, such as the work remaining available for purchase. Attribution requirements should last longer, but derivative works should be possible. If a product is leaked without author's permission, then the time shouldn't start ticking yet. But there need to be a limit on how many years can pass between such a leak and the actual publication, if full term copyright is to be retained. There also need to be rules preventing any loopholes from making money off a staged "leak" and then retaining copyright after a later "publication" date.

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  2. We need more than that by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bring back the original copyright terms:

    The original length of copyright in the United States was 14 years, and it had to be explicitly applied for. If the author wished, he could apply for a second 14year monopoly grant, but after that the work entered the public domain, so it could be used and built upon by others.

    How about "25 years without any extension, then it goes into the public domain". What these money-hungry Hollywood and publishing executives don't seem to realize is that everything DRM'ed will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

    1. Re:We need more than that by Racemaniac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't 5 years be more than enough? i thought part of the goal was to stimulate artist to make new stuff. if you can ride it out for 25 years on 1 hit you once scored, it's not much motivation to create something new -_-

  3. Re:The word "limited" by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I find funny is that the "strict constitutionalists" in our politics today have no problems with IP. People like Clarance Thomas talk about "original intent" but never have a problem with these matters. If there is one thing that has outstripped original intent of the constitution it's copyright. It wasn't put there for people to make money. It was put there to encourage people to be creative. Copyright in perpetuity does NOT encourage people to be creative.

  4. Of course it's public domain ... by wylderide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... Which is why they're gonna rule in favour Warner, because screw the public. They aren't a corporation. What business do they have owning things that can be owned privately and exploited by individuals. Individuals meaning individual corporations: The real people.

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  5. 10 years by stanIyb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This sort of thing is why copyright should only last for 10 year (or less). No extensions. No nothing. 10 (or less) years. If you can't profit in that amount of time, that's life.

  6. Re:factoid by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What really pisses me off is that even a public domain work these days is subject to being "reclaimed" into copyright, if there is money to be made. Just look at "It's a Wonderful Life." No one would have even remembered that movie if it hadn't fell into the public domain and became popular to air around Christmas (since anyone could do it). But when someone realized it was actually making money and had became popular again, of course some corporation immediately sweeps in and reclaims copyright on it. Now it only airs once or twice a year on NBC and no one gives a shit.

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  7. Re:Happy Birthday to the Bank. by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To promote the Perpetual Stream of Revenue, by securing for however long it takes to lose all value to Authors' and Inventors' Employers the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

    - Ammended copyright in the 2000s.

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  8. Re:The word "limited" by Nimey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arguably the current copyright system doesn't promote progress of science or useful arts, and there's no indication that copyrights will ever be for a limited time since Disney buys a new law whenever Steamboat Willie is about to leave copyright.

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  9. Re:In other news by organgtool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Best part is you'd have no trouble finding a lawyer to help you sue someone who used the above phrase.

    You're right, you wouldn't have trouble finding a lawyer. And that's one of my biggest problems with a lot of lawyers: many of them have no sense of morality or justice. I'm not just talking about lawyers who represent defendants of violent crimes because I realize that they deserve a fair trial. I am referring to all of the lawyers that would argue either side of a case depending on which side offered them more money. These people are not driven by an inner sense of justice and making the world a better place, but simply following their own motivations of greed and rationalizing away any negative effects their greedy actions are causing society. Luckily not all lawyers are like that, but the greedy ones certainly paint a very negative image of lawyers in general and that image is hard to shake.

  10. Re:Rights without responsibilities by pnutjam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the functions of a corporation is to separate some of the aspects of management (control) from ownership. This allows management to hijack capitol in much the same way it hijacks labor. it is essential so that cronyism can flourish.

    FTFY

  11. Re:In other news by Algae_94 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am referring to all of the lawyers that would argue either side of a case depending on which side offered them more money. These people are not driven by an inner sense of justice and making the world a better place, but simply following their own motivations of greed and rationalizing away any negative effects their greedy actions are causing society.

    It's almost like it's a job for them to argue cases, not some quest to improve the world.