Future Astronauts Must Deal With Toxic Chemicals In Martian Soil
Thorfinn.au sends this quote from Space.com:
"The pervading carpet of perchlorate chemicals found on Mars may boost the chances that microbial life exists on the Red Planet — but perchlorates are also perilous to the health of future crews destined to explore that way-off world. Perchlorates are reactive chemicals first detected in arctic Martian soil by NASA's Phoenix lander that plopped down on Mars over five years ago in May 2008. It is likely both of NASA's Viking Mars landers in 1976 measured signatures of perchlorates, in the form of chlorinated hydrocarbons. Other U.S. Mars robots — the Sojourner, Spirit and Opportunity — detected elemental chlorine. Moreover, orbital measurements taken by the Mars Odyssey spacecraft show that chlorine is globally distributed. [Phoenix principal investigator Peter Smith] said microbes on Earth use perchlorate for an energy source. They actually live off highly oxidized chlorine, and in reducing the chlorine down to chloride, they use the energy in that transaction to power themselves. In fact, when there's too much perchlorate in drinking water, microbes are used to clean it up, he said. Furthermore, seasonal flow features seen on Mars may be caused by high concentrations of the brines of perchlorate, which has a strong attraction to water and can drastically lower its freezing point, Smith told SPACE.com. The high levels of perchlorate found on Mars would be toxic to humans, Smith said."
Can we just pick some bacteria and launch them up there? It's going to happen eventually, anyway. Might as well get it over with.
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Ya ya, I agree. However, may I redirect you to "It's going to happen eventually, anyway."
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It's an energy and useful material source:
...perchlorate is used within the pyrotechnics industry, and ammonium perchlorate is also a component of solid rocket fuel....
researchers propose a biochemical approach for the removal of perchlorate from Martian soil that would not only be energetically cheap and environmentally friendly, but could also be used to obtain oxygen both for human consumption and to fuel surface operations.
It lowers water freezing point:
Furthermore, seasonal flow features seen on Mars may be caused by high concentrations of the brines of perchlorate, which has a strong attraction to water and can drastically lower its freezing point, Smith told SPACE.com
and it's a poison for humans:
"It's bad for astronauts because it is toxic for humans, as it interferes with the thyroid," he said.
So read these signs, Mars is even more difficult for human exploration than previously understood, but it provides potential energy source for machines to fuel themselves.
This only means that if we are going to do something in the near future, it's going to be more robots powered by perchlorate chemical reactions.
You can't handle the truth.
If there is an energy source in the soil itself, why there isn't an abundant amount of bacteria taking advantage of this. I guess I've come to believe that life will evolve to meet just about any condition, and an energy source seems to be about all it needs. Yet there has been no serious evidence of any type of life currently on mars.
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When was the last time an astronaut would survive exposure to anything outside Earth's atmosphere. Keep those helmets on kids, regulations and all that.
I imagine that the problem is astronauts in suits tracking dust back into the airlock and then, once unsuited, breathing in the perchlorate goodness, possibly with a side of delicious silicosis...
I remember reading about a scheme where the 'suit' would remain permanently outside the habitat, with a docking hatch in the rear, specifically to avoid this sort of contamination.
We're not going back to the moon it doesn't make sense, we've been there already, duh! ...
Mars fucking pwns, let's send everyone there! Even though it's makes the Sahara look like Disneyland
We're gonna mine asteroids! Cos you know, the economy is fucked and there's loads of rocks in space!
We ain't going to send people to mars now, it's dangerous!
Mining rocks in space is a stupid idea, there's rocks here!
We're going back to the moon !!!!!!!!!!!
Cut the crap please
It's not too hard to imagine a total extinction event. To my mind the interesting point here is that there is that Martian soil contains a known energy source. That's... spectecular. We already know there's plenty of oxygen tied up in the iron oxide in the soil, and now we know there's also energy for microbes. That's one step closer to terraforming. And hey, in the process they'll get rid of this pesky toxic stuff too, at least on the surface layers.
Have you seen the things gamers will do to reduce latency?
Besides you just have the astronauts moms tell them they have to leave their suits outside before they go into the basement dwellings.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Perchlorate at 1% concentrations?
Perchlorates are very easy to turn into rocket fuel or oxygen. Two things potentially of much use on mars. I expect the processing would need too much bulky equipment, time and manual labor to be practical on a plant-flag-and-leave mission, but a long-term sustainable base could certainly put it to good use.
Martians will come here before we go to Mars.
I doubt anyone alive today will ever see humans walking around on Mars.
You are welcome on my lawn.
With all the other challenges of putting a viable human colony on Mars, it seems like perchlorates in the soil are small beans indeed.
Mars is so far out of reach, that this is absolutely no issue. Lets visit this question in 200-1000 years again, when we can actually get there. If we can.
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Ammonium Perchlorate is a very powerful oxidizer - and has been extensively used to make solid rocket propellant
Since Mars has so much perchlorates around why don't we turn Mars into planet-wide base for building solid rocket fuel ??
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Perchlorate is a reactive and unstable anion that can easily be washed out of regolith, thermally decomposed by baking in an oven, or removed using chemical or microbial treatments. Similar treatments are likely going to be required anyway if you're going to be growing plants in it.
It's also not actually all that toxic. The thyroid absorbs it in place of iodine, reducing the amount of iodine absorbed...it has no other effects, and the iodine uptake interference stops when exposure to perchlorate stops...chronic ingestion is required to make it a problem, an acute exposure will only have a brief effect.
Basically: don't make a habit of eating untreated dirt, and monitor drinking water contaminants. Nothing they shouldn't already be doing. Iodine supplements might be a good idea in case drinking water becomes contaminated and it takes some time to correct.
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KS Robinsons' 'Mars' series uses the 'purity/necessity' debate as a main source of conflict all the way through.
The novels discuss it from practically every imaginable angle. The point is, just because the following statement is true:
Does not indicate that any one single biological intrusion is justified. Each intrusion must be evaluated as best as possible against the whole system. Sure we can't know every effect but inevitibility is no excuse to go off half-cocked shooting microbes everywhere.
We have alot of mapping to do...IMHO we'll have Mars mapped and analyzed as well or better than earth before we go...in a sense anyway.
To the topic, the challenge is part of the fun! Very interesting to consider Prions and the border where a chemical compound becomes 'life'
Fear the Mars Prions!
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Pretty hard to effectively exercise manual dexterity when there's a 3 to 22 minute speed-of-light lag (depending on planetary alignment) between when you send a command and when the robot responds, and another matching lag before you know the results of your actions. I'm fairly certain it would take you days just to tie your shoes under such circumstances.
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