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Ubuntu Phone Carrier Advisory Group Announced

An anonymous reader writes "With the focus from Ubuntu on phones, seven carriers have signed onto their Ubuntu Carrier Advisory Group including Deutsche Telekom, Everything Everywhere, Telecom Italia, Korea Telecom, LG UPlus, Portugal Telecom, and SK Telecom. The group is designed for the carriers to let 'mobile operators shape Ubuntu's mobile strategy. Members receive advance confidential briefings and provide us with industry insight to ensure that Ubuntu meets their needs.'" Looks like Ubuntu Phone is getting serious. Mark Shuttleworth writes about their first meeting: "We mapped out our approach to the key question I’ve been asked by every carrier we’ve met so far: how can we accommodate differentiation, without fragmenting the platform for developers? We described the range of diversity we think we can support initially, received some initial feedback from carriers participating immediately, and I’m looking forward to the distilled feedback we’ll get on the topic in the next call. CAG members get a period of exclusivity in their markets."

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  1. Inevitable truth by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mark Shuttleworth writes about their first meeting: "We mapped out our approach to the key question I’ve been asked by every carrier we’ve met so far: how can we accommodate differentiation, without fragmenting the platform for developers?"

    To which he added "Fragmentation or lack of differentiation, please pick one and we can move on."

    1. Re:Inevitable truth by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Debian seems to handle it OK. The same Debian repositories can make an awesome desktop machine, a rock solid server, a single purpose kiosk, or an HTPC. And all this software is written in a variety of languages and runs on a variety of hardware.

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    2. Re:Inevitable truth by unixisc · · Score: 2

      At least, he's now dealing w/ people who can make his platform a success. Now, if just the KDE Plasma guys came in and had their own discussions w/ these or other carriers, and offered their content on their phones, that platform too could have a taste of success

    3. Re:Inevitable truth by Medievalist · · Score: 2

      If something still does the job for which it was purchased or built, then it is not obsolete. The word you are looking for is "old" or possibly "outmoded".

  2. Re:Exclusivity? by jwgreene · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps CAG group members will get to sell the Ubuntu phone in their area for a period of time before carriers who don't join up can. I expect it is hardware exclusivity, not software.

  3. Re:American Carrier Support by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ah, don't worry about that. They've already got fiber optic splitting in the areas between Facebook, Yahoo!, Skype, Google, Microsoft, etc. and their respective Internet service providers. There's not as much need for a backdoor in the user/client side when practically all of the communications between these companies and their users are under constant surveillance and being sent in to top-secret NSA-controlled data gathering server rooms.

  4. Why pander to the carriers? by rtkluttz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I realize that none of these carriers are in the US so that may very well be the difference here... BUT!!! Why pander to the carriers? What we need is open source in phones in a way that enshrines the consumer first. GPLv3 all the phone specific software so that it CAN'T BE TIVO'IZED and corrupted and used against the owner of the device. I'm all for people getting paid if they want to be paid for their work, but it will in no way ever justify locking me out of my own devices in any way or using my devices against me in any way. Remote software removal by anyone other than the owner? Nunh-Unh. Locking me into a market and excluding others? Nunh-Unh.

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    1. Re:Why pander to the carriers? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All we really need at this point is the drivers. Nexus devices already offer what you want assuming you remove the google market, or just break that functionality.

      Hardware folks seem pretty hesitant to provide drivers or even information to make them at this point.

    2. Re:Why pander to the carriers? by D1G1T · · Score: 2

      What we need is open source in phones in a way that enshrines the consumer first. GPLv3 all the phone specific software.

      Android has market share, has manufacturers (choice in devices), has carriers (coverage), has app developers, is relatively mature, and is "open" enough for most. Do you really think consumers are going to choose Ubuntu just because of a software license most have never heard of? I'm all for innovation, competition and choice, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to be offering anything compelling to any but the hard-core software freedom crowd.

    3. Re:Why pander to the carriers? by unixisc · · Score: 3, Funny

      So that Canonical can actually make money

    4. Re:Why pander to the carriers? by duranaki · · Score: 2

      I had the same thought! I'd mod you up but I can't. Instead, I'll just add that this seems to be a general trend. Developing for the end-user seems like a thing of the past. Instead it's what do the carriers want? What do the content producers want? What does the government want? At least they didn't create an NSA Advisory group (yet)?

  5. First mistake, and last by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

    Google is trying to wrestle control away from the carriers after whoring out Android under their terms when it first came out. Obviously to get carriers interested in Android phones, Google had to ensure they gave power over feature set and update release to the carriers. This "control" caused a massive fragment in the market were phones today are still being sold with Android 2 to 3 versions behind the version of Android Google wants to ship.

    While it may have ultimately made Android the top phone platform on the market today, it's cause a huge headache for Google to try and now release value added features like Play Music and Apps while supporting a wide assortment of random versions. Its also a nightmare platform to develop on unless you ignore everything before Android 4 and accept the limited scope of customers.

    Not sure this is the best model for Ubuntu to follow because they don't even have the clout Google has that still struggles to get control back.

    Carriers need to be told that they features of a phone is defined by the phone, if their networks can't support the feature then they don't get the premium top brands to sell to customers. For instance any carrier that does not support iPhone has seen significant decline in their customer base, this forces the carrier to support the features that Apple wants, not the other way around, to get back customers.

    Also this goes completely against the openness of the Ubuntu platform as carriers are more interested in "locking down" rather then "opening up". Not sure open source and phone carriers are a good synergy, this product is doomed.

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  6. And it enters the fail phase.... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    "The group is designed for the carriers to let 'mobile operators shape Ubuntu's mobile strategy. " This will do nothing but destroy the platform. Carriers have nothing good to "advise" any phone OS maker about. Every one of them shovel more crap on top of the phone that what is upposed to be there and destroy features they dont like.

    Thus ends Ubuntu Phone OS.

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