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2 Men Accused of Trying To Make X-Ray Weapon
gurps_npc writes "Two radical pro-Israel terrorists were caught in upstate NY when they tried to solicit money from various honorable Jewish organizations to build a truck based x-ray weapon. They intended to drive the truck around and then turn on the x-ray machine, focusing on enemies of Israel. But the Jewish organizations they tried to solicit money from refused to participate. Instead they called the FBI, who promptly set up a sting. The men were arrested before the machine was in working order."
... I can see right thru it.
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rumor has it they got their x-ray training right under the nose of the TSA without raising suspicion
Anything is acceptable. burning witches, executing gays, xraying muslims, rocketing israelis, raping kids, car bombing protestants. its all good as long as god agrees....and if you read your books there are passages that'll help you along :)
Gotta say, after everything I've heard on the Internet; the Zionist conspiracy really doesn't live up to the hype...
Obviously the Jews that turned in the pro-Israelis are self-hating Nazi scum!
Seastead this.
Big old X-ray tubes that are used for taking pictures of welds in bulkheads, etc. I heard a story that some guy in the '80s killed one of his co-workers on purpose by aiming the tube through a wall at his victim. Having worked with the bigger tubes, I can see it.
no, you should read about the foot x-ray machines some shoe stores used in the 1940s, they gave some people 20 REM of dose! It doesn't take that much power to make dangerous levels of X-Ray radiation.
to demand that people take off their shoes.
Maybe they can get jobs with the TSA.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
1) The editors at Slashdot who curate the submissions don't bother to check the basic sources
That's OK, we were all new here once.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
"What's that big truck in front of our office?"
"I don't know, and why is your spleen showing on my laptop?"
Table-ized A.I.
Exactly, the gear could be man-portable. This is actually an amazingly brilliant plot, you're not around when the victim dies, you leave no evidence on the victim, even if someone spots you during the assassination they couldn't tell you're killing the person (just holding a suitcase near them or backing them with a backpack). This is the most impressively clever thing I've heard of in ages, I'm kind of jealous I never thought of it myself.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Really glad to hear that it was Jewish Americans who turned the crazies in. Hopefully many of the mosques in America that encounter radical and/or terrorism sympathetic persons will rise to the occasion and do the same when they hear something actionable, instead of waiting for the government to find the bad guys without assistance.
That is, in fact, the norm rather than the exception.
Did I dodge the knee jerk liberal piling-on?
No, you just told us that you don't know how liberals think.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
2) The editors at Slashdot have some sort of Antisemitic agenda
Why would I say that? If you bother to read the second sentence of the article you will notice that the weapon builders were not Jews.
The summary neither says nor implies that they were. It's perfectly compatible with the linked article.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Timothy McVeigh. Blew up Oklahoma building.
Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.
David Koresh and the Branch Davidians.
So many idiots going in and shooting up schools.
Not one of them muslim.
"radical terrorist" is something interesting. That suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered that weird kind of terrorist?
They don't tend to be called 'terrorists'(because, by virtue of being moderate, they use violence to achieve ends that good, upstanding, people agree with); but nothing about being a terrorist actually requires any particular flavor of agenda, just the presence of somebody opposed to whatever your agenda is, and the willingness and capability to employ coercive violence and fear.
Somebody like Sir Arthur Harris would arguably qualify. He was an ideologically unexceptional commander of British air forces during WWII, and implemented the British 'saturation bombing' efforts against civilian targets and infrastructure. As he candidly described it:
"the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories."
If that doesn't qualify as 'terrorism', I'm not certain what would; but he's a deeply un-radical figure, pretty much heading to the office every day to implement the (widely prevailing) logic of "Total War" in the service of his government, a not-exactly-radical line of business.
(I don't particularly mean to pick on the British, relatively staid people who execute what are unambiguously terror tactics aren't especially uncommon, or confined to any particular nation, he just happened to be a good example that I hit on quickly.)
While the editors are pretty bad around here, more people seem to pick up on the facts more quickly than folks here. Much of the discussion still seems to be about "Israel" and "Jews", when these two guys were neither Israeli or Jewish. They're simply far right-wing nuts who figured that Jews would happily "give them money" on the promise that they'd use it to "kill their enemies" - in other words they were counting on their own negative image of Jews to be fulfilled to in turn feed their own greed. They're no more pro-Israel than a shop selling Halal meat in order to cater to their customers needs is "pro-Iran".
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I was really hoping that no one would think of portable radiation generators for this. The only way to stop this is to control some very broadly useful technologies - high voltage generators, vacuum equipment. The basic problem is that a clever person can do a huge amount of damage with readily available, difficult to regulate equipment. Unless we eliminate the situations that motivate terrorists (politically very difficult), we will either need ever increasing security and monitoring, or we will need to accept that a fair number of people will die. I'm willing to accept the deaths, but I don't think most americans are.
http://www.labx.com/v2/adsearch/detail3.cfm?adnumb=491358#MoreDesc
Mobile unit, runs on batteries, would fit in a van. However....its only a mobile xray unit. Claims ~1900 exposures per charge. I doubt it is made to run in continuous output.... and still only going to be effective at a very short range.
Maybe if you parked a van along a route that your target walked several times a day, for multiple days.... and his path took him within a few feet of the side of the van....and the van.... its not a metal body is it? That's going to be a problem too. Not entirely impossible that a dangerous dose could be delivered, and by dangerous I mean like, increasing his chance of cancer and possibly thyroid or kidney issues in his old age sort of dangerous.
So two things:
1. He went to jewish groups, after going to the Klan:
But Doesn't the Klan hate the Zionists? Huh? This guy is just playing the I hate muslims thing....ok, that works I guess. Still, a bit of a douche move to pitch it to the Klan and then adopt the "Enemies of Israel" spiel. Good salesmanship I guess.
2. This seems overly complex and expensive. Shit, at that point, why not just buy some laser diodes and have a hand portable device capable of blinding someone permenantly from a safe distance, and instantly? Oh.... wait... that would only cost a few hundred bucks.
So I am thinking the scam artists who were looking to take some people for some cash they couldn't rightly sue him for the return of, got caught up in a bigger con game where the FBI set them up to con us into thinking that we really need their protection.
I bet you if they didn't arrest them when they did, they would have driven off with the van and disappeared, gone back to the KKK and offered their services, and then shopped around for more suckers. If they finds out it doesn't expose film, they would have had some films made up and claimed its too dangerous to be nearby while it runs.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
This is actually not a new idea. In East Germany, the STASI is alleged to have done that:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/352461.stm
Pretty scary and brutal stuff.
Fascism combines elements of both the right and the left while being moderate on few, if any, aspects.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
How were you modded informative? From the article:
"Crawford approached Jewish organizations last year looking for funding and people to help him with technology that could be used to surreptitiously deliver damaging and even lethal doses of radiation against those he considered enemies of Israel."
How are they not pro-Israel? Not everything that you disagree with is anti-semitic. Really the only bias evident is your own.
And if they wanted to request funding from Iran they would have offered to use their weapon against the enemies of Iran.
Would that mean they are pro-Iran?
I don't know if you are anti-semitic or not, but an anti-semitic would jump to the same conclusion you did without a really thinking about it. Perhaps you are not anti-semitic, you just don't really think.
A coworker that was living down the road from the Davidian compound tells me that the Dividians had been legally shooting rifles on their property. A neighbor made a noise complaint and the local sheriff had already been out and worked out a compromise to resolve the complaint. As the story goes, the issue had already been resolved with the kooky but harmless Davidians.
This is just CIA/NSA propaganda. Grocery store celeb news mags for people "afraid". Something "terrible" is gonna happen one day if we don't justify our fucked society.
If what you say is true, not long from now they will arrest some "terrorists" from China, some other "terrorists" from Cuba, from Russia, and from North Korea will be arrested too, and their "weapon of choice" will be ranging from "portable gamma knife" to "dirty bombs" and everything in between
Yep, NSA is here to save the United States of America, and they will catch the "terrorists" and parade them in front of all of us to gawk at
More or less everything radiates in a radial pattern (has spherical wavefron) and is subject to the inverse-square law. Even lasers have some divergence. Better focus (by e.g. reflectors) would give you lower angle of divergence and therefore higher initial power density, but that is all.
Definitely not. X-rays have significantly higher frequency and therefore shorter wavelength (380-740 nm for visible light and 0.01 - 10 nm for x-rays).
I think you are part of the problem. If we call everything that is harmful to a civil society terrorism, the word loses its meaning.
However, it has already lost its meaning because white folk are no longer being classed as terrorists. The classic example being Anders Breivik -- when he struck they cried "terrorist". When it turned out he was a white supremacist, the word disappeared.
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No, the reason they stopped calling him a terrorist is because they decided they were not going to be terrorized or give him a platform. They didn't want him to be seen as a soldier fighting a war or on some kind of crusaded. They demoted him to a simple criminal, a deranged murder.
We could learn a lot from that.
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