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Why Your Sysadmin Hates You

jfruh writes "We've learned many lessons in the fallout from Edward Snowden's whistleblowing and flight to Hong Kong, but here's an important one: Never make your sysadmin mad. Even if your organization isn't running a secret, civil-rights violating surveillance program, you're probably managing to annoy your admins in a number of more pedestrian ways that might still have blowback for you. Learn to stay on their good side by going along with their reasonable requests and being specific with your complaints."

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  1. So... by DarkRat · · Score: 5, Funny

    So... it has come to this...

    1. Re:So... by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I worked one of those places. They had a lease on the copiers and the lease included things like toner and such, with a number on every copier to the office manager, and directions to call if there was a problem, low toner, out of paper, etc. But the "experts" at marketing would fill it up with paper, getting lots of jams, and change the toner themselves, breaking the printer and toner cartridge (yes, I know that's hard to do, but they managed), and calling the IT department when things went bad. We'd call the office manager. So many people there had the idea that if it had an electric cord, IT was in charge of it, from coffee machine to light bulbs, it was all IT. Educating them made them mad, and they'd threaten to call the president on you (not CEO, but Barak). God I'm happy I don't have to deal with users anymore.

    2. Re: So... by jefe7777 · · Score: 5, Funny

      manager: "Sysadmins hate us for our freedoms!"

      sysadmin: "I'm standing right here John."

      manager: "The global caliphate of sysadmins threaten our children!"

      sysadmin: "I'm still standing right here John."

      manager: "Sysadmins will kill all our children."

      (sysadmin pulls out cell phone, and initiates an scp of a transaction dump, showing all the embezzlement, hookers and blow, said manager has been prodigiously enjoying.)

    3. Re:So... by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To take things a step further, IT works behind a door that only IT badges can open, and their only (public) phone number is just a human who will create a ticket for you (if for example, your problem is that your PC won't boot, so you can't create a ticket yourself).

      You do realize that you've set up your department to be outsourced? If you have no real connection to the rest of the business except through trouble tickets, then there's no real benefit to your department being in-house at all.

      IT should be actively engaged with the rest of the business, trying to find ways to make things work better for everyone. That's our job: to make other people's jobs more efficient (and easier).

  2. Hire professional people, get professional results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a syadmin is abusing their position of power then they need to be removed. That's it. There's no petty revenge or "blowback" to consider.

    It's no different to other jobs where people hold a position of power (e.g., police officer, principal, medical doctor, judge, etc). We expect and demand that those people behave professionally and appropriately at all times (even when they don't like you). Just because a computer is involved doesn't excuse a system administrator from being held to the same professional standards.

  3. Not related at all by FaxeTheCat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've learned many lessons in the fallout from Edward Snowden's whistleblowing and flight to Hong Kong, but here's an important one: Never make your sysadmin mad.

    What a silly excuse for linking to (in itself a reasonably good) article on how to relate to sysadmins and IT support in general.

    And for those who are not sysadmins: Sysadmins do NOT reveal your company's secrets because some user bypassed the helpdesk system, or run some test code on a production system.

    However, nobody should not tolerate that their employer engage in illegal activities. I am not paid to break the law, neither are you. But that is no no way related to being a sysadmin or any other specific position. It is part of being a decent human being.

    1. Re:Not related at all by Intropy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nu-uh. It says it right there in the summary. Snowden leaked information about PRISM because "5. You make urgent, last-minute requests." It had nothing whatsoever to do with having evidence of a massive, illegal, covert surveillance operation being conducted against the American people by its own government.

  4. Re:Reason 6 works both ways by FaxeTheCat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And people hate admins when admins waste their time. Mostly by forcing them to use software or mandatory processes that simply aren't well suited to their problems.

    That is like blaming the accountant for the accounting policies. The sysadmin implement what management decide. If you do not like it, talk to your manager.

  5. Re:Hire professional people, get professional resu by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a syadmin is abusing their position of power then they need to be removed. That's it. There's no petty revenge or "blowback" to consider.

    It's no different to other jobs where people hold a position of power (e.g., police officer, principal, medical doctor, judge, etc). We expect and demand that those people behave professionally and appropriately at all times (even when they don't like you). Just because a computer is involved doesn't excuse a system administrator from being held to the same professional standards.

    Agree 100%, but that doesn't make the point about don't make your sysadmin hate you. It would not be a good idea to make a police officer, principal, medical doctor, or judge hate you. Sure their professional ethics mean that they should put this to one side when dealing with you, and they could get in trouble if they didn't ... but I wouldn't go picking a fight with one just in case

  6. Re:Not so special by lightknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardly -> sysadmins just realize that 99% of all user problems can be solved by the help-desk, and be done in a more pleasant manner than a sysadmin will do it. A sysadmin's speech and mannerisms are not laden with the fluff language that people consider being polite -> they have a lot of things to accomplish during the day, are perpetually running behind schedule, and tend to interact with people who understand that when a sysadmin says "Do this," there is a "Please" prefixed to it. We've tried it the other way, with people having constant contact with sysadmins, and people bitched incessantly that they weren't communicative enough (a sysadmin knows exactly what he / she is talking about, spending 30 minutes looking for an analogy to explain something to someone who thinks the monitor is the computer is really stressful) or that they weren't servicing them fast enough (sysadmin has a server go down, needs to get it back up; someone complains that the sysadmin wasn't working on their laptop during that time).

    And yes, those sysadmins do run into problems with other departments. Surprise! When they need to call an equipment manufacturer to get some firmware only available by phone call, and need to sit through the various escalations and so on, they feel the pain. It really isn't them purposefully being dicks to you, it really is a limited resource / time thing. Why not stock the help desk with sysadmins, instead of low-level techs? Because it would cost too much.

    Everyone wants access to the people who can solve their problems in a few snaps of a finger, or who can remove a lot of the 'unnecessary work' that they are going to encounter. But that means in a company of 200 people at least 20 people dropping by for a 10 minute chat per day. Companies / organizations, who actually pay the sysadmin's salary, want him / her working where they will do the most good for the company; everyone below VP or CEO gets the help desk, everyone above gets the sysadmin. It sucks, and you'll see sysadmins volunteer their time to help out with more trivial problems when they have nothing else on their platter, but that's something of a rarity.

    Do you know what sysadmins do? Are they just a better version of tech support so far as you are concerned? Consider a network admin -> to a user, they look like a very highly priced tech support guy; to anyone with any knowledge of tech, that doesn't even begin to describe what they do. They're management. They have purchase power, they plan future designs, they execute those implementations, etc. They report to the IT director, or the CIO, or the CEO. But to the average user, they're just a funny guy with eclectic tastes, who knows the ins and outs of the entire network, and is the guy they want to fix all their problems, personally. A funny guy, who's there at weird hours sometimes...who has access to every room....all emails, voicemails, etc....and which those who actually understand what his / her duties are, tend to avoid getting on their bad-side, even if their professionalism practically guarantees that they'd never do anything in retaliation. A funny guy who usually reports to the IT director, or to the CIO, or the CEO directly.
         

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  7. Re:Why Your Sysadmin Hates You by lightknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Takes years of neglect and careful abandonment to make a BOFH. You have to be exposed to the worst of human behavior, on a daily basis, for years, with no possible outlet, and no compensation / consideration, before a BOFH is born. At some point, the human mind gets tired of playing defense, and goes on the offense. Voila, a BOFH is born. Granted, it does give rise to superior forms of character disorders, but then, when surrounded by people who themselves employ or adopt character disorders as offensive weapons...

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  8. Re:Why Your Sysadmin Hates You by MouseAT · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's an old article, but it's still relevant today: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137708/Opinion_The_unspoken_truth_about_managing_geeks The worst characteristics of Sysadmins tend to emerge when the organization treats them badly. The stereotypes exist for a reason. The conditions that create them? Always the same.

  9. Re:Which is the most counterproductive act of all. by ebh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a simple solution: Follow me around for a day (and a night).

    Watch what happens when two people, either of whom could fire both of us, issue demands that are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive.

    Watch when the new guy gets ignored by his team members and forgets that Google exists so he comes to us expecting days of basic training on how to do his job.

    Watch when the workaholic engineer expects us to be there around the clock for everything from new machines to coffee runs as he compulsively works his 72-hour shifts.

    Watch when we spend six hours fixing a machine somebody botched horribly because we told them to push button A then button B then button C, but they pushed button B then button A then button C. For the third time.

    Watch when Mr. Hot Temper screams at us for 15 minutes because the network is down, even though not only are we not permitted to do anything with the network, we're not even allowed into the wiring closet.

    Watch how we're never thanked for anything, but we're informed on a regular basis as to what people think our mothers did for a living.

    I could go on, but rest assured, you'll want your own job back.

  10. Re:Which is the most counterproductive act of all. by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was a psych minor, I don't think you know what an introvert means if that is your definition...

    "The common modern perception is that introverts tend to be more reserved and less outspoken in groups. They often take pleasure in solitary activities such as reading, writing, using computers, hiking and fishing. The archetypal artist, writer, sculptor, engineer, composer and inventor are all highly introverted. An introvert is likely to enjoy time spent alone and find less reward in time spent with large groups of people, though he or she may enjoy interactions with close friends. Trust is usually an issue of significance: a virtue of utmost importance to an introvert is choosing a worthy companion. They prefer to concentrate on a single activity at a time and like to observe situations before they participate, especially observed in developing children and adolescents. They are more analytical before speaking. Introverts are easily overwhelmed by too much stimulation from social gatherings and engagement, introversion having even been defined by some in terms of a preference for a quiet, more minimally stimulating environment."

    I don't recall anything in that modern definition as relating to 'expressing feelings' or 'sharing'.

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  11. Re:Which is the most counterproductive act of all. by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After all the engineers looked at the psych departments ratio (1/ratio of the engineering school) and choose psych as our 'liberal arts focus area' the psych department asked the engineering department to stop.

    We were blowing the curve for the first 3 psych courses, scaring off actual psych majors and treating the classes as dating pools. We had not yet learned to not stick our dicks into crazy (they don't get any crazier then psych majors).

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