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Pro Bono Lawyer Fights C&D With Humor

Zordak writes "When Jake Freivald received a questionable Cease and Desist letter from a big-firm attorney, demanding that he immediately relinquish rights to his website http://westorage.info, his pro-bono lawyer decided to treat the letter like the joke that it was. In a three-page missive, the lawyer points out the legal, constitutional, and ethical problems with the letter that led him to conclude that the letter was a joke. He concludes, in a postscript, with an unsubstantiated demand for $28,000 in overpaid property taxes, and offers to lease the city the domain name 'westorange.gov' in exchange."

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  1. Oh my god, get the website right by Sowelu · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's westorange.info, not westorage.info. The editing is ridiculous.

    1. Re:Oh my god, get the website right by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's westorange.info, not westorage.info. The editing is ridiculous.

      You have unrealistic expectations. Editing here has long consisted of pressing "submit" and then spending the afternoon climbing under the desk to pick-up the Skittles that fell down there yesterday.

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    2. Re:Oh my god, get the website right by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, I see you are familiar with our system of government.

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  2. Re: Cease and Desist letter by morbingoodkid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why bother the appropriate response is:

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    Re: Cease and Desist Order

    No.

    Regards
    xxxx

  3. Re:County Lawyer by GunR · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't exactly inspire confidence if his underlings can't even spell check.

    It's not a typo. It's written by a lawyer. You're not supposed to be able to read it and understand it.

  4. Re: Cease and Desist letter by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why bother the appropriate response is:

    No.

    I would have used two words, but, hey, that's just me.

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  5. Re: Cease and Desist letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "No, sir."?

  6. Re: Cease and Desist letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would have used
    "I refer you to the reply in arkell vs. pressdram"

  7. Re:County Lawyer by ozbon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it's a typo - I *think* it's saying "Trenk has recently completed bid litigation over $100 million" (i.e. he's taken it to trial, to conclusion)

    All told it's a vile (and very legal) sentence with no punctuation. The proof-reader in me can't find a way of writing it in a better way though (well, not without rewriting the entire sentence)

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  8. An how a professional comedian does it: by Sproggit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Letter to Warner Brothers: A Night in Casablanca

    Groucho Marx
    Abstract: While preparing to film a movie entitled A Night in Casablanca, the Marx brothers received a letter from Warner Bros. threatening legal action if they did not change the film’s title. Warner Bros. deemed the film’s title too similar to their own Casablanca, released almost five years earlier in 1942, with Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman. In response Groucho Marx dispatched the following letter to the studio’s legal department:

    Dear Warner Brothers,
    Apparently there is more than one way of conquering a city and holding it as your own. For example, up to the time that we contemplated making this picture, I had no idea that the city of Casablanca belonged exclusively to Warner Brothers. However, it was only a few days after our announcement appeared that we received your long, ominous legal document warning us not to use the name Casablanca.

    It seems that in 1471, Ferdinand Balboa Warner, your great-great-grandfather, while looking for a shortcut to the city of Burbank, had stumbled on the shores of Africa and, raising his alpenstock (which he later turned in for a hundred shares of common), named it Casablanca.

    I just don’t understand your attitude. Even if you plan on releasing your picture, I am sure that the average movie fan could learn in time to distinguish between Ingrid Bergman and Harpo. I don’t know whether I could, but I certainly would like to try.

    You claim that you own Casablanca and that no one else can use that name without permission. What about “Warner Brothers”? Do you own that too? You probably have the right to use the name Warner, but what about the name Brothers? Professionally, we were brothers long before you were. We were touring the sticks as the Marx Brothers when Vitaphone was still a gleam in the inventor’s eye, and even before there had been other brothers—the Smith Brothers; the Brothers Karamazov; Dan Brothers, an outfielder with Detroit; and “Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?” (This was originally “Brothers, Can You Spare a Dime?” but this was spreading a dime pretty thin, so they threw out one brother, gave all the money to the other one, and whittled it down to “Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?”)

    Now Jack, how about you? Do you maintain that yours is an original name? Well it’s not. It was used long before you were born. Offhand, I can think of two Jacks—Jack of “Jack and the Beanstalk,” and Jack the Ripper, who cut quite a figure in his day.

    As for you, Harry, you probably sign your checks sure in the belief that you are the first Harry of all time and that all other Harrys are impostors. I can think of two Harrys that preceded you. There was Lighthouse Harry of Revolutionary fame and a Harry Appelbaum who lived on the corner of 93rd Street and Lexington Avenue. Unfortunately, Appelbaum wasn’t too well-known. The last I heard of him, he was selling neckties at Weber and Heilbroner.

    Now about the Burbank studio. I believe this is what you brothers call your place. Old man Burbank is gone. Perhaps you remember him. He was a great man in a garden. His wife often said Luther had ten green thumbs. What a witty woman she must have been! Burbank was the wizard who crossed all those fruits and vegetables until he had the poor plants in such confused and jittery condition that they could never decide whether to enter the dining room on the meat platter or the dessert dish.

    This is pure conjecture, of course, but who knows—perhaps Burbank’s survivors aren’t too happy with the fact that a plant that grinds out pictures on a quota settled in their town, appropriated Burbank’s name and uses it as a front for their films. It is even possible that the Burbank family is prouder of the potato produced by the old man than they are of the fact that your studio emerged “Casablanca” or even “Gold Diggers of 1931.

  9. Re:Well-known political views by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it was any more petty, it would be a home owner's association.

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  10. Site suffering from the slashdot effect ^_^ by Camael · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hi, all. Welcome to the site.
    I’m sorry that it has been hard to use this site over the past few days (the week of June 17, 2013) because the traffic has been so high. If you get a “Resource Limit Is Reached”, just refresh the page and it should load after a try or two.

    I believe the traffic is organic: There is no evidence lending credence to the rumor that the Township orchestrated the viral response as a DDOS (distributed denial of service) attack to take me out. (Just for the record, that’s a joke, probably mostly for the CNET visitors.)

    I find it ironic curious visitors are doing what the West Orange County failed to do.

  11. Re:County Lawyer by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't exactly inspire confidence if his underlings can't even spell check.

    Nowhere in that sentence does the word "check" or anything remotely similar in misspelled form appear.
    How you can deduce from that his inability to misspell "check" is beyond me.

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  12. It's political dirty fighting by Camael · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yup, found plenty of dirt here, no idea how true all this is but it seems to be some bad blood involved.

    Freivald, who also ran for West Orange’s town council (and briefly created another website expressing dissatisfaction with a Weichert realtor a while back), tried to find out why his WestOrange.info website was being targeted by the town. Freivald gave a speech about his website and his surprise at receiving the letter, at a town council meeting on June 11. He expressed concerns about why the town didn’t address the “confustion” they were worried about through other methods, other than sending the cease and desist letter. Then Freivald asked for transparency.

    The morning after the meeting, Freivald received this email in response to his questions about the letter from West Orange Mayor Robert Parisi:

            Good morning the Administration authorized the sending of the cease and desist letter at the request of members of the Public Relations Commission that believe the sites and the confusion they arouse, undermines the efforts of the Commission and the work they do in promoting the Township. As the Commission is officially sanctioned and funded by the Township, the Administration respected their concerns and agreed to send the letter.

    There’s just one problem. Freivald is a member of the Public Relations Commission (PRC), along with Prakash Khaitan, Chair; Michelle Cadeau; Cynthia Cumming; MaryEllen Morrow; Jonathon Ridley; Josefina Velez, Vice Chair; Patrecia West.

    It does seem unusual that the town council is messing around with their own PR committee.

    Plus, Freivald is/was pretty active politically so that might be where he ruffled some feathers.

    1. Re:It's political dirty fighting by dywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      It seems that the alternative journalist he ticked off is a volunteer member of hte same Council that he is a volunteer member of. She wrote some inflammatory things about his wife's charity group (dealing with special needs kids), he got ticked, said some things, and the journalist in turn threatened blackmail of the "stop saying bad things about me, or we'll stop covering your wife's charity in the press at all". he of course didnt take that lying down and criticized the hournalist more... ...and so now the journalist, in the name of hte council that they are both volunteer members of, contacted a lawyer and had the C&D sent.

      So in the end the C&D Lawyer is a middleman in their dispute.
      Now, he sent a very poorly written C&D and deserves all ridicule he has recieved on that (and failed in his own due diligence if he can so easily be trumped by such simple things as facts, as the shown in the response letter). but he was also just being used a pawn in the battle between the two individuals.

      this is how it looks frm what ive found.

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  13. Re:County Lawyer by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Informative

    Specifically, Mr. Trenk has recently tried to conclusion bid litigation involving over $100 million.

    Luckily, "tried" is the verb in that sentence. The "to conclusion" is an adjectival phrase.

  14. Re:A good joke needs time to play out by aheath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A tip of the hat to Mr. Kapplitt responding to government overreach with a sense of humor. This is fine example of why lawyers work pro bono publico. I'd love to see this case go to trial so that future first amendment cases can cite Mr. Kaplitt's letter. Intel has a long history of using geographic names as project names because you can't copyright a geographic name. I worked on 'Year 2000 Compliance" at Intel. I thought I was working on Y2K compliance until the legal department sent out a notice that someone had asserted a copyright to Y2K. I once ran a BBS called "The Stack Exchange" which focused on HyperCard. I receive a nasty call from someone who wrote HyperCard applications for a company called the "The Stack Exchange." I changed the name of my BBS to avoid a legal hassle. If the caller hadn't been such an asshole I would have gone out of my way to explain the name change and to promote The Stack Exchange on my renamed BBS. The moral of the story is that it pays to ask nicely before sending out the cease and desist letter. Jack Daniel's took this approach when a book cover had the look of a Jack Daniel's label. Jack Daniel's even offered to cover the costs of designing a new cover for the book.

  15. Re:County Lawyer by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Adverbial, I believe, since it modifies "tried", not "bid litigation".

  16. Re: Cease and Desist letter by Tokolosh · · Score: 4, Funny

    “I'm seated in the smallest room in the house. Your letter is before me. Soon it will be behind me.” — Voltaire

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  17. Re:County Lawyer by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, that's exactly what it's saying.

    The term "tried to conclusion" means that the matter was brought to trial, and the trial has completed, as opposed to being stalled in an endless cycle of motions and counter-motions, or settling out of court, or otherwise not finishing.

    Considering that some lawsuits last several decades, simply saying that he brought a particular litigation to trial isn't really enough, because it's vague as to whether the trial is still ongoing. Similarly, ozbon's proposed alteration is vague, because it leaves open the question of how the litigation was completed. It could have been laughed out of court during pre-trial.

    The language used was specific, concise, and complete. Since the majority of a lawyer's work involves reading and writing legal documents that must be specific, concise, and complete, this is a good thing. Your lack of understanding is due to your assumption regarding the definition of the word "tried". If that's a significant barrier to your understanding of his website, you should probably be looking for a dictionary, not a lawyer.

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  18. Re: Cease and Desist letter by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Funny

    Left-to-the-imagination off?

    That doesn't make much sense.

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