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QANTAS Wants To Monitor Frequent Flyers' Home Internet

An anonymous reader writes "Australian Airline QANTAS wants to monitor recording frequent flyers' home internet searching and surfing. QANTAS will pass the data to US marketing partner FreeCause who are not subject to Australian privacy laws. Meanwhile the Australian Attorney-General's Department has been secretly drafting new data retention laws to log Australians' web surfing. The government claims it needs these to fight crime, yet is ignoring corruption by its own public service."

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  1. Drooling Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The madness must stop.

    1. Re:Drooling Insanity by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      The madness must stop.

      Have you considered not installing the toolbar?

      That way the madness doesn't start. Or if you have already installed it, you could, just maybe, uninstall it?

      Qantas wants frequent flyers to install a toolbar on their web browser that records their internet searches and web browsing activity for "marketing targeted and relevant products, services and offers".

      In return for surrendering personal search data, which Qantas will tie to its customers' frequent flyer membership, it plans to award users up to 150 Qantas frequent flyer points a month.

      http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/qantas-toolbar-to-monitor-your-web-activity-20130621-2omfa.html

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    2. Re:Drooling Insanity by memnock · · Score: 2

      The summary confounds 2 stories. The QANTAS story, at face value anyway, has nothing to do with the Australian govt. wanting to draft surveillance legislation.

      While they both deal with Internet surveillance, QANTAS is a commercial entity that people can choose to ignore. It is up front about what it is doing.

      The govt. on the other hand, while ostensibly public, obscures its activities by using hundreds of pages of documents to legislate laws that will hide behind "security" to keep its citizens in the dark.

      Based on the article about QANTAS, the consumer gets shafted in my opinion:
      "In return for surrendering personal search data, which Qantas will tie to its customers' frequent flyer membership, it plans to award users up to 150 Qantas frequent flyer points a month.

      A customer who uses the toolbar and never flies with Qantas would take 35 years to earn the 64,000 points required to fly from Sydney to London's Heathrow Airport."

      In my opinion, my privacy is available for trade, but it especially wouldn't come THIS CHEAPLY. Unfortunately, some schmucks probably won't care.

  2. Worst Summary Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thanks Timothy for posting the most horribly written, inaccurate and misleading summary ever. You should be ashamed for this clickbait trolling. Anybody who reads the fucking article will see your summary has little connection to the truth.

    No wonder slashdot is such a toilet bowl now.

    1. Re:Worst Summary Ever by retchdog · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's an optional toolbar which is, like the fruity oaty bar, NOT MANDATORY even for frequent fliers. you get a piddling amount of scrip in exchange for being logged. how much?

      ``A customer who uses the toolbar and never flies with Qantas would take 35 years to earn the 64,000 points required to fly from Sydney to London's Heathrow Airport."

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    2. Re:Worst Summary Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ok, but how long do they have to wait until they can get the hell out of Brisbane and down to Melbourne?

    3. Re:Worst Summary Ever by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      What was inaccurate about it? It sounds to me like Qantas desires to track everything the users of this toolbar does and send it to a third party. Just like every other toolbar.

      In 1999 a company cold-called me to ask me to sign up for some program to watch all internet use on my newfangled cable internet in return for cash. The telemarketer seemed genuinely confused when I laughed in her face, she said she really could not understand why someone would would have a problem having everything they do online tracked.

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      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    4. Re:Worst Summary Ever by adolf · · Score: 2

      No wonder slashdot is such a toilet bowl now.

      Every community needs a toilet bowl. It keeps things sanitary.

      What's weird about /. these days is that the toilet seems to be just inside of the front door, inviting any and all to shit in it. And it doesn't flush; indeed, it hasn't worked for quite some time.

      So welcome to Slashdot. Watch your step.

    5. Re:Worst Summary Ever by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

      Big difference from Summery.

      Qantas customers have the choice of installing the search tracker and are awarded up to
      150 Qantas frequent flier points a month for doing so.

      Summery makes it sound like Ubuntu's policy of sending all search results to Amazon to raise cash;
      with no choice by users, nor reward of any sort.
      http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/09/ubuntu-bakes-amazon-search-results-into-os-to-raise-cash/

  3. Just another... by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just another way the West has fallen into tyranny. But yet, there is comparatively little outrage. The violations of liberty that King George III imposed on the American colonists were minor compared to the crimes that modern presidents have committed. But yet although there will be a posting on websites like /. and will be discussed by liberty-minded bloggers there will be no revolution, there will be no outrage. Isn't it odd how times have changed, when a minor (by today's standard) tax increase sparked a revolution but today's routine violation of individual sovereignty, violation of basic civil liberties and violation of basic economic liberties have created.... a couple of blog posts.

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    Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
    1. Re:Just another... by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It hasn't gotten to that (yet) and it didn't get to that point in the colonies, although there were sure some "isolated incidents" just like here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting , http://jonathanturley.org/2011/01/20/utah-police-execute-no-knock-warrant-on-home-and-shot-and-kill-man-holding-golf-club/ )

      Colonial life under George III wasn't the "killing fields" but yet Americans look at that as tyranny but in 2013 it is much worse than 1776 and yet the west hasn't done anything about it.

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      Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
    2. Re:Just another... by theskipper · · Score: 2

      Excellent point, King George was infamous for forced toolbar installations. When the users didn't get the tea they were promised in exchange for the installing it, well, the rest is history.

    3. Re:Just another... by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 2

      they (we as a whole) havent done anything about it because everyone is sitting at home, eating bon-bons, watching soap operas, jersey shore, dancing with the stars (while texting and playing on their other devices) and keeping up with kardashians without a care in the world about whats going on around them. Everyone will wake up tomorrow, go to work, mow the lawn, go shopping and pay bills and think about what other useless TV shows they will be watching without a care for anything else.

  4. Things To Do With VMs While I'm Bored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) I'm normally pretty shy, but, umm, if I had a VM, it would be okay with me to install the Airline Privacy-Invading Spyware Toolbar in a VM
    2) I would then do nothing on the VM other than search for My Little Pony two or three times a day, probably in the early evening hours.
    3) So that it looks like a trend and not just a rarity in the long tail, encourage other members of the Herd to do likewise
    4) Smile, smile, smile when some overworked jackapple in the airline's marketing department, confused by this spike in the data, paints a rainbow on a Dash-8 because the data mining algorithm says that'll make it 20% cooler.

  5. It won't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The madness must stop.

    Over the next several decades - or maybe as soon as a several years, supposed "free" countries will chip away at their citizen's rights little by little always using "safety" and "security" as the excuse. And there will be plenty of dipshits who buy into it and will keep voting those politicians into office. Until one day, we will all be governed by a pseudo representative government.

    Armed revolt? Ahahahahahaha! See, this time, that has been dealt with. While all the NRA members and others go and quit their jobs to fight the government with their AR-15s with the M4 conversion kits that they paid through the noses for, the banks will foreclose on their homes, their cash will be gone, and what do you think they are going to do for supplies - like ammo?

    Reload? And where the fuck are they going to get the lead? Or the kits to clean their guns? Or the powder?

    And, and bunch of yahoos who spend a day or so at the shooting range pinking away at targets will be no match for a trained army - or ATF agents who are putting down a home grown terrorist cell (That's what they'll be called in the news and you bet your asses that the NSA has got the NRAs member list!)

    What the current President of the NRA doesn't realize is that in the beginning of the US' Revolutionary War, the English were mopping up the colonists because they were a trained army. If it weren't for the French, we'd be like Canada or Australia.

    1. Re:It won't by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      we'd be like Canada or Australia.

      You missed the bit where this imported prick running QANTAS is sending the data to the US to get around the stricter privacy laws in Australia.

    2. Re: It won't by fnj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good for you, sonny. I haven't seen 50 in almost two decades. I'm never going to be freer than I am now; hell, I'm never going to be AS free as I am now, and that's not saying much; but mercifully I won't have to live with this regimented oppressive shit too much longer. Bunch of pussies.

      At least I have my yesterday. I got to live in the most glorious period of the most glorious place on the earth.

    3. Re:It won't by Aryden · · Score: 2

      Because it doesn't matter who you vote for in general. The people that run are chosen for you by a select few. And if someone slips in there that they don't want, they'll just drop millions on attack ads and the newcomer will just go away. Also, have you actually seen our media in the last decade?

    4. Re:It won't by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stop voting for Republicans or Democrats. For the rest of your life if you have to. When enough people abandon ship either a new party will come into power or--more likely--one of the major two will change their tune to gather up more votes.

      If it doesn't matter who you vote for then why are the Republicans falling all over themselves trying to get the Latino vote back?

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    5. Re:It won't by YukariHirai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it weren't for the French, we'd be like Canada or Australia.

      It seems to me like you'd be better off if you were more like Canada or Australia. Australia certainly has better protections for its citizens in many areas than the US does, and by all accounts the same is true for Canada.

      And sure, this is an Australian company doing a shitty thing, but the truth is that companies everywhere try anything and everything they think they can get away with. And remember, they're sending the data to the US to be processed because the fuckery they want to do is legal in the US but not Australia.

    6. Re:It won't by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      . If it weren't for the French, we'd be like Canada or Australia.

      You mean, we will have free universal single payer healthcare system? Hooray!

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    7. Re:It won't by sjames · · Score: 2

      They'll change their tune, but not their actions.

    8. Re: It won't by Dekker3D · · Score: 3, Funny

      At least I have my yesterday. I got to live in the most glorious period of the most glorious place on the earth.

      You're an ancient roman time traveller?

    9. Re: It won't by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

      I got to live in the most glorious period of the most glorious place on the earth.

      This must be a reference to North Korea.

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      Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
    10. Re: It won't by frdmfghtr · · Score: 2

      And yet the incumbents enjoy something like an 80-90% reelection rate. That's the part that I don't understand. If Congress is doing such a lousy job, how do any of them last beyond one term?

      If your representation isn't doing a good job, don't reelect them, people! Do a little bit of research and don't be afraid to vote for an independent or third party candidate. If enough voters do this it won't be a "wasted" vote and maybe, just maybe, we would start towards a Congress that truly works for We the People instead of We the Big Campaign Donors.

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      Government's idea of a balanced budget: take money from the right pocket to balance...oh who am I kidding?
  6. Rip them off. by godel_56 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I like the "sign up, use it once, than uninstall" to get your "free" 200 points option. That is, if you're already on their bonus point system. :-)

  7. I wouldn't count on the NRA by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When tyranny comes to America, the NRA members will not be fighting the government. They will be at the rallies, waving flags and chanting slogans between the Sousa marches.

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  8. Aussies don't have free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Aussies do not have free speech ""Some of us may presume that because we live in a liberal democracy like Australia, certain personal freedoms are a given "like free speech" Additionally, we presume that many Australians would be familiar with the US Constitution and specifically the First Amendment which states; "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press", and we’re going to also guess (again for efficacy) that some people may believe that we here in Australia also enjoy a similar type of Constitutional protection: But do we? Well it must be said that Australia’s free speech laws are interesting to say the least...""

    ""First, let's get the easy part out of the way: Australia does not have an explicit First Amendment equivalent enshrining the protection of freedom of speech in our Constitution." http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4529/do-we-have-the-right-to-freedom-of-speech-in-austr.aspx

    Talk to Aussies and you find they hate their government and think politicians are lying cheating scumbags with their snouts in the trough, but if you criticize them you can be charged by sedition laws by John Howard: "Sedition: An intention to effect any of the following purposes: (a) to bring the Sovereign into hatred or contempt; (b) to urge disaffection against the following: (i) the Constitution; (ii) the Government of the Commonwealth; (iii) either House of the Parliament;" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_sedition_law

    Not like these kind of laws are passed but not used. Albert Langer told the public how to vote on election day for a local candidate without having to give their vote to Labour or Liberal candidate in the end. The government jailed him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#Australia

    1. Re:Aussies don't have free speech by fnj · · Score: 2

      Not that many places do have guaranteed freedom of speech, and those like the US who OSTENSIBLY do (ha!) find that it is getting to be more and more of a joke. What they do is invent the crime of "hate", corrupt the courts to accept that absurdity of a concept as a valid legal principle, and characterize speech they don't like as "hate speech". Nobody is in "favor" of hate, right?

  9. This is NOT NEW. by upuv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Qantas has had a form of spyware for years. Over 7 years ago I saw it's first version. It was a horrible crash prone mess. It was a flight search bar with other value add addons. And yes it reported to the mother ship.

    A lot of airlines did the same. So did package delivery companies.

    I work rather closely with large companies that are deploying or have deployed improved analytics tools to track your every click. Big brother exists. An issue is it's not just one big brother.

    Face book for example. Almost every single app is mining your account for information. Very use any of the facebook apps if you must use facebook. Only ever give the minimal amount of information. Remember you are the product.

    If you are dumb enough to ever install a "toolbar" then you get what you asked for. There is no such thing as a free value addon. They will all cost you dearly.

  10. Obvious solution by dalias · · Score: 2

    Browsers need to remove support for toolbars and other features that cater to malware extensions, like they should have done 10 years ago.