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US Senators: NSA Lies In Fact Sheets

Bruce66423 writes "The Guardian reports that two U.S. senators have written to the NSA telling it to amend its 702 provisions fact sheet (PDF) which, they claim, contains inaccuracies. However they can't actually say HOW they are inaccurate, because they would be compromising classified information. So the U.S. government uses taxpayer money to lie to the people... there's a surprise!" From the letter: "In our judgment, this inaccuracy is significant, as it portrays protections for Americans' privacy as being significantly stronger than they actually are." But they go on to say "We appreciate your attention to this matter. We believe that the U.S. government should have broad authorities to investigate terrorism and espionage, and that it is possible to aggressively pursue terrorists without compromising the constitutional rights of ordinary Americans. Achieving this goal depends not just on secret courts and secret congressional hearings, but on informed public debate as well."

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  1. Since when by jasper160 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do politicians follow the law?

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    1. Re:Since when by mmcxii · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Looking like the good guy matters less by the day. "My party, right or wrong" has been the battle cry of American politics for a long while but the lengths to which this is take in the past few administrations has become insane.

    2. Re:Since when by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since when does the NSA ever tell the truth? Basically all this letter says is "Your lies have been exposed, so make up some new ones." Meanwhile they're trying to throw the leaker of said lies into a prison for the rest of his life in hopes of discouraging anyone else from exposing the *next* set of lies.

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    3. Re:Since when by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even though Obama is a fucking Constitutional lawyer, I believe.

      The purpose of being a Constitutional lawyer is to perform mental gymnastics creating exceptions to clearly-stated language such as "shall not infringe" and "shall make no law".

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    4. Re:Since when by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Is it legal" - Trade Federation

      "I will make it legal" - Darth Sidious

      This is the lie of the big government proponents. They love to cloak themselves in "legality", and skirt around the issue of whether or not something is right (correct, moral). Is Snowden a traitor or a hero? Well that depends upon whether you look at what he did as being legal or moral, because those questions result in two different outcomes.

      Next time you here someone say "but they broke the law" ask them if Rosa Parks broke the law.

      Not all laws are just laws.

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    5. Re:Since when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tea Partiers are just gullible Republicans who've been tricked by Koch brothers money into thinking they AREN'T just supporting the rich and powerful.

    6. Re:Since when by cold+fjord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tea Partiers...tricked by Koch brothers

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    7. Re:Since when by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its not immoral. He swore an oath for his security clearance. An oath like the president or any soldier. Its first clause to to protect and defend the constitution of the united states of America. The last is to perform the duties of his position.

      He was placed in the position where he could not simultaneously fulfill both parts of the oath. No matter what he did, he would be breaking part of it. So he sided with the constitution and the American people, and I think that makes him a hero.

  2. Good to see senators at least doing their job by mcvos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd rather they actually put a stop to it, but I guess we have to be happy that at least some senators are willing to address lies by the government.

    1. Re:Good to see senators at least doing their job by TheP4st · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They did little more than slap the NSA in it's fingers saying "naughty boy!" while at the same time condoning the appalling concept of secret courts.

      "We appreciate your attention to this matter. We believe that the U.S. government should have broad authorities to investigate terrorism and espionage, and that it is possible to aggressively pursue terrorists without compromising the constitutional rights of ordinary Americans. Achieving this goal depends not just on secret courts and secret congressional hearings, but on informed public debate as well."

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  3. FTFY by redback · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "NSA Lies"

    FTFY

  4. Re:Reactions to this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about instead of creating new legislation, they repeal some old bills. Like the National Security Act of 1947.

  5. let me fix that for you by csumpi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "So the [put any country's name here] government uses taxpayer money to lie to the people... there's a surprise!"

  6. Secret courts? by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Achieving this goal depends not just on secret courts and secret congressional hearings

    What's the goal -- having a police state? There NO place for secret courts and secret Congressional hearings in a free society.

  7. Re:Who is in charge? by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as Congress controls the budget, Congress is in charge. That won't change any time soon.

    The question is, do enough of their colleagues agree with them to take action? Their view may be poorly justified.

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  8. National Security Trumps Constitution by n2hightech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Essentially the constitution means nothing if they say the magic words "National Security". You think you have rights sorry we think you are a threat to "National Security" we can lock you up. No evidence. No judge. No jury. No Press. No rules apply to us we are protecting "National Security". This is the same logic every dictatorship has used throughout history. How big a threat is Al Qaeda and the Talaban really? In all their attacks on the US through out all history they have killed 4400+/- people. And 4488+/- of our troops in their country. So less than 10,000 US deaths due to Al Qaeda and the Talaban over the last 17 years give or take depending on when you say Al Qaeda formed. So the average death tole is 588 US citizens per year due to Al Qaeda and the Talaban actions. How does this compare to other threats to "National Security" From the CDC Report on death statics http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf This ranks right up there with accidental deaths from firearms and a bad case of the flu. Don't get me wrong. I believe those responsible for acts of violence should be punished and a military response to 911 was the right thing to do. When you look at the actual impact based on the death toll the security of our country was not and has never been at stake. I do not feel less fearful today or more free today. I am much more fearful of loosing my rights and freedoms to actions of our government than I am to those of Al Qaeda, the Talaban and terrorism in general.

  9. Re:Congress upset someone is lying to them? by mjtaylor24601 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you really mean breaking the constitution, which they are sworn to uphold. Constitutional rights are binary, you have them or you do not.

    Not that I disagree with the main point of your post, but in practice constitutional rights are rarely as black and white as you seem to think.

    You have the right to free speech, but not the right to yell "fire" in a crowded room. You have the right to bear arms but not the right to own a suitcase nuke.

    Personally I don't think anyone should be aspiring to a justice system that rigidly enforces the letter of law without any regards to the spirit of the law. All that does is encourage people to go searching for loopholes in the language, since you'll never be able to codify the law so perfectly that it won't require any interpretation.

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  10. Re:Who is in charge? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even though they're "in charge," they might not set the rules due to a lack of political will (standing up to someone who wants to do something "to fight terrorists" or "in the name of national security" for fear of being portrayed as weak next election cycle) or due to money flow from lobbyists telling them what laws to write ("we're not bribing you, we're just giving you this expensive trip and a cushy position when you retire if you get this bill we wrote passed"). Having the authority to be in charge and actually being in charge are two very different things.

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  11. Re:Half right by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it is really not possible to fashion a security mesh fine enough to filter out something of this scale (one or two dudes...

    It would be a very positive step if the US government would just admit that and move on.

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