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FCC Considering Proposal For Encrypted Ham Radio

Bruce Perens writes "FCC is currently processing a request for rule-making, RM-11699 (PDF), that would allow the use of Amateur frequencies in the U.S. for private, digitally-encrypted messages. Encryption is a potential disaster for ham radio because it defeats its self-policing nature. If hams can't decode messages, they can't identify if the communication even belongs on ham radio. A potentially worse problem is that encryption destroys the harmless nature of Amateur radio.There's no reason for governments to believe that encrypted communications are harmless. See hams.com/encryption/ for more information."

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  1. Re:packet radio? by rotaryexpress · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, it is illegal to send encrypted content via packet. That makes any kind of web browsing pretty much impossible (Google, for example, does https for everything now...and I wouldn't want my plain-text passwords going all over the place).

  2. Re:packet radio? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

    Possible, yes. Legal, no. The fact that a large section of Internet traffic cannot be sent legally over packet radio is one of the reasons they want to do this.

  3. It's dead either way, why not try this? by Myself · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whenever I try to convert part-15 geeks into part-97 geeks, they're interested in high power, they're interested in DIY equipment, they're interested in satellites, they're interested in propagation, and as soon as I mention that you can't swear or encrypt, they walk away.

    "If I can't send useful traffic over it, why would I bother?"

    Ham radio is losing a generation of geeks who've grown up on a more-free network and aren't interested in a restricted one. Should we just let them go?

    1. Re:It's dead either way, why not try this? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or maybe make that network more free. What exactly is the point of this overly restricted network? Seems like a total waste of a resource.

      Are you serious you that you can't swear? What exactly constitutes a swear word in ham radio? Are you required to dress up like it is the 30s?

    2. Re:It's dead either way, why not try this? by VAXcat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can't swear? You clearly haven't spent much time listening to 20 meters, or, at least in my part of the country, 80 meters. Sailors could learn a thing or two about swearing by listening in....

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    3. Re:It's dead either way, why not try this? by n1ywb · · Score: 5, Informative
      I think I was a ham for about a week before I hear my first on-air cussword. I would advise against dropping the f-bomb but I've never heard of anybody getting in trouble for the occassional mild cuss.

      Ham radio is about:
      • Public service
      • Radio technology
      • International goodwill

      If you are interested in those things, you will enjoy ham radio, restrictions and all. If you are not interested in those things, see ya.

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    4. Re:It's dead either way, why not try this? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sir, I must request that you dress according to the occasion. We're not on the internet here, we have standards!

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    5. Re:It's dead either way, why not try this? by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because it's a limited resource. There's only so much bandwidth on the air. The equipment is made to work within a specific frequency, (because outside of that band, those frequencies are used for other things). Think of it like a river, it's owned by everyone or no-one, with lots of people wanting to use it. It's a natural monopoly. So it's regulated.

      A lot of really good uses for the airwaves exist and have their sections defined. One of those sections was set aside for the hobbyists to do with as they please. But they still have to play by the rules, because it's still a public place, using a limited resource, with others' rights you have to respect.

      Imagine if your internet connection stopped working whenever someone sent you a packet. You had a single channel for up and down communication, and you didn't have control over when people talked to you. Every time someone sent you an email, your downloads stop. Every time someone pings you, your wabpage stops loading. That's radio. If someone is an asshole, they can barge into your channel and talk over you. If they're malicious they could jam the entire band and DOS everyone.

      And yes, officially you can't swear. Just like you can't pirate movies over the Internet. You also can't sing.

  4. Re:packet radio? by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ok, let me elaborate. The HAM network is almost completely self policed. It would be trivially easy to abuse the spectrum and ruin it for everyone so it's in everyone's best interest that people who don't follow the rules, who are using it for commercial gain for just one example, are reported and stopped. Allowing encrypted traffic would allow me to sell internet service to people in rural areas because there's no way to detect what is in the encrypted content. If something becomes profitable enough eventually you'll choke the spectrum and make it unusable for everyone. Keep in mind that this isn't a managed slice of spectrum, there's no one in charge of who is using what frequency where. Get enough sources broadcasting and it simply won't work.

  5. FCC is not considering anything. by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM). This is simply a petition by a Citizen.

    If the FCC decides to consider the petition, it will issue a NPRM and open a comment period. It will THEN consider the petition with the collection of public comments.

  6. Re:packet radio? by chihowa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well they already allow proprietary protocols like DSTAR (you can decode the packets and see what's there, but you have to pay a company for the privilege to do so - not quite in the spirit of ham radio).

    Why not allow encrypted packets with a cleartext callsign wrapper? Then you can verify the source of the packets and have access to modern uses of the spectrum. Frankly, I think digital modes are more interesting that ragchewing with the oldtimers anyway, and some of the old FCC rules and bandplans are causing amateur radio to seriously stagnate.

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  7. Re:packet radio? by chihowa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read the memo, though. The main reason they want to allow encryption is for communication with government emergency services. The proposed change would only allow encryption for these reasons:

    (a) signals exchanged between an amateur station and a space station in the amateur satellite service for the purpose of controlling the operation of the space station; and

    (b) signals exchanged between an amateur station and an unattended amateur station for the purpose of controlling the operation of the unattended amateur station; and

    (c) intercommunications when participating in emergency services operations or related training exercises which may involve information covered by HIPAA or other sensitive data such as logistical information concerning medical supplies, personnel movement, other relief supplies or any other data designated by Federal authorities managing relief or training efforts

    This isn't about modernizing amateur radio or allowing exciting new uses, it's about making it compliant with other boring federal regulations.

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  8. Re:packet radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, it's "ham", not "HAM" - "HAM" is *NOT* an acronym, but merely a slang expression, short for 'amateur'.

    Second, what's being proposed is to encrypt third-party messages in order to preserve security and privacy.
    An example might be information that's otherwise subject to HIPAA. Another might be a requests/responses
    between governmental (Federal/state/tribal/municipal) emergency management agencies, such as logistics issues,
    that might be sensitive information, but not necessarily "classified" in the traditional military sense.

    Third, this is strictly a *proposal* at this time - this is a Rule Making notice (hence, the RM number) and the FCC
    has now opened the gate for comments. Therefore, if, after reading the RM thoroughly and studying the needs of
    clients (such as the Red Cross, Salvation Army, and various government agencies that Amateur Radio operators
    in the US serve during times of disaster, etc.), you disagree with the proposal, you're more than welcome to submit
    your own comments.

    Fourth, bear in mind that, at least in the US (and that's what's being discussed here), the originating and receiving stations
    *MUST* keep a copy of all third-party traffic anyway.

    Fifth, all of this traffic, be it encrypted or in the clear, would be sent from one amateur station to another and those stations
    must (continue to) follow the identification rules. So, if you happen to overhear W1XXX sending an encrypted message to
    W2XYZ, don't get your knickers in a twist - it'll be their responsibility to follow the rules. OTOH, if you overheard an encrypted
    message (or even an unencrypted stream of bits/noise) and there was no accompanying identification, then you're free to
    call 1-888-CALL-FCC and notify them, as you might for any other "intruder".

    It wouldn't matter if it's sent by packet (which, BTW, is usually identified under the AX.25 protocol with the callsign embedded
    in the packets) on VHF, or via WINLINK using PACTOR or WinMOR, or PSK31 or RTTY or any of the other digital modes.
    Or, gasp, even CW...

    Now is the time for amateurs to put their thinking caps on, study the current rules, study what's being considered in the RM,
    learn what the local and served agencies need and/or can live with, and file well-reasoned comments and suggestions for
    implementation with the FCC. The idea is to enable amateur radio operators to better serve their communities, after all...

    And, be prepared to do a second round of "Reply Comments" to address the various issues raised in the initial comments.

  9. Re:packet radio? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because, one of the longstanding implicit quid pro quo behaviors of Amateur radio is that it is 'harmless'. Amateur radio operators are given the freedom to use a significant swath of radio frequency for non commercial use. Amateur radio is designed to be self policing. If somebody starts sending commercial / illegal / inappropriate transmissions, other radio ops are supposed to help figure out where the transmission is coming from and cooperate with the FCC in finding the miscreant.

    So, if you obfuscate the transmission, all of that goes out the window. Then the feeling is that the FCC will decide that amateur radio isn't worth the bother (and we can be a real PITA) and shut the whole thing down.

    It's a slippery slope that no one wants to peer down.

    Not EVERYTHING on the planet needs to be attached to the Internet....

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  10. Re:packet radio? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The funny thing is that amateur radios often make better business / public service radios than most commercial units. I can control the output on my Yaesu (Standard / Vertex) 2M rigs much better than the Fire department can do on their super expensive Motorola bricks. For one thing, I don't need a $20,000 (actual cost, complete with high quality Chinese dongle) box to change bandwidth and power parameters. I can do it from the front panel*. The power spectrum looks much cleaner than the Motorola rigs.

    If it weren't blatantly illegal I would rig my HT to broadcast on Fire / Rescue channels and not have to take the overweight FT5000 POS that they dumped on me. **

    * Of course, this is an intellectual exercise. One should never open up the front display unit and unsolder the two jumper wires that are described in many places in the Internet. One should never, ever do that.

    ** I wouldn't even think of it. Especially because opening the transmit frequency of a Yaseau FT-530 requires one to open up the back and remove a jumper. A difficult and dangerous endeavor. Small parts, even.

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