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Clinkle Wants To Become Your Wallet

vikingpower writes "Clinkle, a new mobile payments start-up, may or may not have succeeded where so many other efforts have fizzled by inventing a practical way to replace credit cards with smartphones. It's hard to say, though, since Clinkle won't say much about how its system works. Its website is, well ... slight. But a prominent group of Silicon Valley investors who do know what Clinkle is cooking up are acting as though it has achieved a breakthrough. On Thursday, Clinkle announced that it had raised $25 million in early financing from Accel Partners; Andreessen Horowitz; Intel; Intuit; Marc Benioff, the chief executive of Salesforce.com; Peter Thiel, the co-founder of PayPal; and a long list of other investors with technology industry pedigrees. The Huffington Post has an article on Clinkle, or rather on Stanford students putting their degree on hold to go work at Clinkle. The Wall Street Journal [paywalled] mentions Clinkle having some 30-odd employees already."

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  1. Easter Egg by Skiboy941 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hmm. It makes a tinkling bells noise when you put in the Konami Code.

  2. Direct Withdrawal by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Creates a direct connection between your wallet and our bank account."

    1. Re:Direct Withdrawal by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so you can out of your funds for the time it takes to fix an error.

      also hackers will love this.

  3. Do not want by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    No room for a condom.

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  4. 30-odd employees by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Wall Street Journal mentions Clinkle having some 30-odd employees already.

    But how many normal employees do they have?

    And why exactly would I want a product where I have to provide my own terminal to run their code and use my own capped data to support their service? Can't imagine any benefit to the actual consumer over just using my plastic card.

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  5. Nice Idea by RedHackTea · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if done right. You go to restaurant. Get receipt. Create a one-off closed account with user ID and one-off GUID with exactly the amount of receipt+tip transferred from your actual bank account. Unlike with a card, you just hand the server the user ID+GUID. They never know your full name and credit card number. They can't swap your card with an imposter (plenty of cases where servers will do this if have a similar looking card). If they do decide malicious intent or accidentally mix up your GUID with another, then there is no problem; all that is in the temporary "account" is the exact money. The only thing that will tie them to your accounts is the user ID, and that will not be your direct online banking account, etc.; it will be the (Clinkle's) service. This is just a pipe dream of course, and I'm sure Clinkle's service is more open so that restaurants/etc. don't have to buy new hardware/software; it's probably only a fraction safer than actually giving your plastic card.

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    1. Re:Nice Idea by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You go to restaurant. Get receipt. Create a one-off closed account with user ID and one-off GUID with exactly the amount of receipt+tip transferred from your actual bank account. Unlike with a card, you just hand the server the user ID+GUID. They never know your full name and credit card number.

      Or, if you are not one of those thirty "odd employees," you just pay with cash. Or you use a temporary c/c number with limited funds - many banks offer this service for free. Or you walk with the server to the payment terminal. There are several ways to pay that do not involve a third party.

      This whole thing is designed to appeal to geeks who enjoy fiddling with computers. However everyone else will find it bothersome. It is just another step where you can make a mistake. All those eWallet companies are solving a problem that does not exist for the vast majority of people - and even to some geeks. I, personally, have no need of that service. I also have no desire to include another set of crooks into the payment chain.

      I'm sure Clinkle's service is more open so that restaurants/etc. don't have to buy new hardware/software; it's probably only a fraction safer than actually giving your plastic card.

      Where would these numbers go that a patron hands over to the server? Do they just type it into a browser, in a place where thousands of patrons and workers come and go every single day? It only takes a record in the HOSTS file, and a self-signed certificate, to impersonate the service. Businesses pay for secure terminals because they are secure. A mere computer in a corner cannot be called secure, if all it takes to compromise is to insert a USB stick and run a script.

  6. Alternatively... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what else works just as well as a credit card that is way smaller and lighter than a cell phone, never needs recharging, works literally everywhere and already has proven, well-established limited liability for theft? A fucking credit card.

    Oh, and nice analysis editor:

    Clinkle, a new mobile payments start-up, may or may not have succeeded ...

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  7. Re:But I just got in to Simple! by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem here as I see it is that too many companies are fighting for this space, using illegal tactics.

    For instance, even though my phone is capable of using Google Wallet, it won't work on the device because AT&T somehow gets a veto over using the app on my phone. Its all just data, encrypted and secured data, so why do carriers get to block this app? How is that not illegal restraint of trade?

    I don't expect it to be any different with Clinkle. Too many players standing in the way.

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  8. The problem with credit cards is... by bradley13 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...they are bloody expensive! The consumer doesn't see most of this, but the merchants pay through the nose. A typical small business will pay around 3% of the total transaction to the credit card company, plus additional fees for payment processing, plus additional fees for certifications, plus...there's always another damned fee.

    That could well represent the entire profit margin of a smaller business. Guess what, that means those costs are added into the price. Since most credit card contracts (at least in my country) explicitly prohibit giving a "cash discount" or anything else that would be to the disadvantage of credit card purchases, this means that there is no way out: everyone must pay the higher prices.

    It's quite a racket, if you think about it: 3% of the top of a huge chunk of all consumer transactions. I dream of seeing some real competition in the payment processing market.

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    1. Re:The problem with credit cards is... by tftp · · Score: 3

      It's quite a racket, if you think about it: 3% of the top of a huge chunk of all consumer transactions.

      How much are you spending on your c/c per year? Let's say $20K. This is a large sum of money, fit for a family guy with several children. (I don't spend that much.) 2% of that (often you get 1% back) would be $400.

      Would you agree to carry, count and spend $20K in cash over the year if I promise to pay you $400? You will be in danger of losing the money, of being robbed, of miscounting not in your favor, and of not having enough cash on hand. Cash is dirty, having been in hands of lowest castes of the society, and it may carry diseases. Most of US cash carries traces of drugs, and that can attract attention of police dogs; the police will then be happy to tear your car apart.

      The banks may be charging too much for the service; but from the POV of the consumer, the convenience is worth the cost. Is it a nice racket for the banks? Probably yes, it is. They inserted themselves into the payment chain, and it's all but impossible to extract them out of there.

      The many eWallet providers (that always come and go) are not aiming for saving the world from the onerous 3%. They are aiming to collect those 3%. The world will be still paying the payment tax, one way or another. Those companies are not saviors; they are just the new generation of thieves who are trying to replace the prededing generation of thieves.

    2. Re:The problem with credit cards is... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cash is dirty, having been in hands of lowest castes of the society, and it may carry diseases.

      What the fuck? Did you just actually say that? What sort of bullshit is this? Are you a time traveler from India circa 1840, or are you just a ignorant, bigoted prick?

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  9. Go to Hell, Clinkle by nukenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I followed the link to their website and the first thing up is their demand my email address. WTF? I cannot just browse their site without them demanding my email?

    Next thing, they demand I upgrade my browser. That's my business; it's their business to design their website to use HTML standards.

    Do these jerks seriously expect people to sign on after a start like that?