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Linux 3.10 Officially Released
hypnosec writes with word that "The Linux 3.10 kernel has been officially released on Sunday evening which makes the 3.10-rc7 the last release candidate of the latest kernel which yields the biggest changes in years. Linus Torvalds was thinking of releasing another rc but, went against the idea and went ahead with official Linux 3.10 commit as anticipated last week. Torvalds notes in the announcement that releases since Linux 3.9 haven't been prone to problems and 3.10 is no different."
I'll wait for 3.11
ITS HABBENING!
Oh wait...
Nvidia drivers should be available for the new stable beast by the end of next month. They will get around to it when they are darn good and ready. 3.10-rc1 broke the latest driver. They released a driver about two rc releases ago, but it was still borken. I actually think they released it so that they could say 'see, see, we released a driver just a few weeks ago, so you shouldn't see anything new from us for a while!' It was a fluke that my current hardware build included an nvidia video card (the radeon card I originally bought was borked from the computer store: it wouldn't display video), so I took it back and the only thing they had that was close was an nvidia. They have worked hard to lose me as a customer. I suspect next time they will be successful.
How long before it shows up in major distributions such as Linux Mint?
You are one of the greatest and most generous people on Earth. Thank you for all your work!
I'm always running the latest HEAD of linux-stable.git, I've been runnning 3.10-rc? for over a month now.
Nov 1
GNU Hurd is going to reach stable status very soon! At that point, Linux will be essentially obsolete.
Don't be a noob. Run linux-stable.git, you get the changes even before they are "released".
How long before it shows up in major distributions such as Linux Mint?
Don't know, but Fedora 18 has 3.9.6-200.fc18.x86_64 and that was a week ago. A quick check of the updates indicates that the 3.9.6 kernel is still the latest. As far as getting the 3.10 kernel goes I would say within a week or two, however it really depends on your distribution and how up to date the maintainers like to keep the repositories.
If you are the repository maintainer for a customer that is using say Redhat Linux (you would be crazy to install a non supported Linux distribution on a production or even development machine) you may have a two to six month delay offset on updates and that is assuming that the customer or company allows 6 monthly updates. In my experience many companies don't like to do any updating once their systems are up and running and it is allot of work on the IT managers side to even get critical patches applied and without the appropriate sign-off's and agreed outages (normally 10 minutes) nothing gets done.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
The question is: "what useful features will they randomly decide to remove or disable, based on the whims of their magic 8-ball of UI design?"
Getting kinda tired of "upgrading" and having stuff I use regularly be gone. Sometimes after some serious digging I can figure out how to re-enable it, sometimes they've just decided *I* should be doing things their way.
I am greatful that the many people contribute to FOSS, do. So, thank you all.
But when you change something, there should always be a way for the end user to make it the way *they* like it.
I'm sorry, I thought you said MAJOR distributions...?
What does kernel development have to do with UI design?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
From Linus' release note commit summary:
Shawn Joseph (1):
Input: xpad - fix for "Mad Catz Street Fighter IV FightPad" controllers
I'm not a gamer, but this Mad Catz controller seems to be a 3rd party replacement game controller for the Xbox... until now?
It's funny because you pretend like Mint isn't a major distribution. I mean, it's not like it's the 2nd most widely used or anything, right?
Still no fix for khugepaged killing your system :(
Everyone that disagrees with me is a paid shill
4 comes after 3.9
3.10 comes after 3.00
Thanks.
I have a 7850 and I get frequent X restarts with the latest binary driver after trying to resize a window that has something accelerated in it happening. Also, (not their fault) I can't use oclhashcat with the latest driver. It seems they have quite a few rough edges left to polish out still.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
The collective yawn !!
Slashdot !! Ride this up with headline, like
LINUS RIPS UNDERLINGS A NEW ASSHOLE !! while releasing Linux 3.somethingorothee THE WORLD MUST STOP AND TAKE NOTICE !!
They should be sure that release is "cherry" then?
I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying technology.
I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult for, we wanted to integrate Linux into our server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.
I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3 machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say the results were less than impressive... We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a "server" based operating system. The 3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise" environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour, we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the Linux boxes.
Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the same freedoms as the GPL.
As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming, but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your only choices.
thank you.
Fedora makes available new kernels within a few days, for those that want to play with the latest and greatest. The 3.10 kernel should be available within the next 24 hours using the Fedora rawhide kernel nodebug repository.
Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.
(you would be crazy to install a non supported Linux distribution on a ... development machine)
No, I strongly disagree.
You should be able to smash up your development machine with a hammer now, and be back up and running in a few hours. I've run all sorts of stuff as development machines, including distros far out of support for various reasons, and others like Arch which are totally bleeding edge.
Also, hardware aside, I've never screwed up a developement machine so badly that I couldn't put off fiing it until a convenient time. That includes accidently killing an ubuntu upgrade part way through.
Workstations can and should be very quick to replace and also not too heavily tied to a single install. It helps that everything I develop comes with configure scripts now. Makes it much easier for me to rebuild a working machine and makes it nice and easy for my customers to deploy on a fixed system or noew hardware.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I'm not 100% certain what you're implying by "non-supported Linux distribution" but if you're referring to that little bullet point on your Dell PowerEdge spec sheet claiming to support "Red Hat" as being some sort of gospel and installing Debian (for example) is "crazy" I must conclude you've been drinking the marketing kool-aid.
Ah, Ye Olde "stable ABI" red herring all over again.
Mmhh. Herrings. Especially red herrings.
It is all just retarded confusion. That is the whole problem with bothering with kernel version or mentioning that you use GNU userspace for a distribution.
It matters way more to the end user what version of Gnome/KDE/Unity/Android/Whatever is used.
Nope, "supported" in this case means that you pay someone to support you. If the machine stops working you have your ass covered in the sense that you can pass the blame onto the supporting company and instead of getting fired there can be a company wide decision to change to a different vendor.
Or you call them for support, they fix the problem for you, you write a small report that says that the problem would have been much worse with another vendor and that the current solution is great because you have statistically less downtime than competitors or whatever BS is required.
"They can't OSS because of maybe NDAs!!!" bullshit.
NVidia tried that but made the mistake of putting some verifiable information about what they were talking about years ago, fingering SGI for their inability to GPL their stuff. Not saying *what* information was involved, just that it was "SGI's fault".
SGI were asked by the FOSS community and many users if they could license whatever it was for FOSSing. SGI said openly "We are not aware of anything that NVidia have from us that we could not accept being put under GPL".
NVidia never tried that lie again, but fanbois a decade later are STILL crapping that shit out.
If NVidia have a "whole bung of 3rd-pary code that NVIDIA cannot legally open source", then what is it?
Or do you not know? In which case why do you pretend that this is a solid-cold fact?
The 3.9 releases haven't been prone to problems? Half of the 3.9 RCs panic'd my Phenom II X6 1045T system.
I call shenanigans.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Do we not like Kernel Newbies anymore? I've always looked to them for a synopsis of kernel features: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.10
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
That includes accidently killing an ubuntu upgrade part way through.
You've done that? Far out.
:)
I've never been able to stick with Ubuntu for more than an hour, much less upgrade it...
what happened to ftape?
So here's a question: why aren't SBC manufacturers keeping up with kernel versions? Shipping product is often stuck somewhere in the middle of the 2.6 series.
You've done that? Far out.
It's kinda fixed, with judicious use of cargo-cult apt and dpkg incantations.
I've never been able to stick with Ubuntu for more than an hour, much less upgrade it... :)
Well it helps if you install FVWM and a few other nice tools :)
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Getting kinda tired of "upgrading" and having stuff I use regularly be gone.
So stop using Windows and switch to Linux, because I have yet to see an upgrade of any distro I've used that didn't make it run faster and have more features.
You clearly aren't an Ubuntu user. Neither am I anymore. (I went back to Debian.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
You were rather vague about just what you were complaining about, but from context I presume it to be GUI. Probably Gnome3. If so I certainly agree, but it doesn't have much to do with the kernel.
OTOH, there was a time when the scheduler varied a lot between releases. That seems to have stabilized, though, over a year ago. Otherwise, I can't guess what you are talking about.
(FWIW, there was a C library change a few years ago that broke some games I have installed. So I run them on a virtual machine. It's annoying, but what can you expect of proprietary software. ... It's not like Loki is around anymore for me to complain to.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.