Linux 3.10 Officially Released

hypnosec writes with word that "The Linux 3.10 kernel has been officially released on Sunday evening which makes the 3.10-rc7 the last release candidate of the latest kernel which yields the biggest changes in years. Linus Torvalds was thinking of releasing another rc but, went against the idea and went ahead with official Linux 3.10 commit as anticipated last week. Torvalds notes in the announcement that releases since Linux 3.9 haven't been prone to problems and 3.10 is no different."

Comments

Pass

[Anonymous Coward]

I'll wait for 3.11

Re: Pass

[Anonymous Coward]

Linux for Workgroups is the best version

Re: Pass

[iggymanz]

screw that, the 3.0 (Warp) is the shitz

Re:Pass

[Anonymous Coward]

NSA employee here. I checked the IP address and it was actually posted by someone working at Google. His name is Dave and judging by his browser history, he seems to enjoy gay scat porn. His cell phone location logs shows unusual late night visits to known glory holes. He stays there for 1-3 hours at a time, so I guess we know which side of the wall he sits on. I'd I've already hit my daily quote PRISM quota.

Re:Pass

[Anonymous Coward]

3.14 will be the 'geek' release the mainstream press will notice.

Note to kernel team: so try not to screw that one up.

Re: Pass

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

Linux for Workgroups is the best version

Does it come with LinSock support out of the box?

Re: Pass

[chthon]

Trombone LinSock!

Re: Pass

[Bengie]

Don't copy that floppy! Never mind, it's GPL'd. Copy away.

Nvidia drivers

[Anonymous Coward]

Nvidia drivers should be available for the new stable beast by the end of next month. They will get around to it when they are darn good and ready. 3.10-rc1 broke the latest driver. They released a driver about two rc releases ago, but it was still borken. I actually think they released it so that they could say 'see, see, we released a driver just a few weeks ago, so you shouldn't see anything new from us for a while!' It was a fluke that my current hardware build included an nvidia video card (the radeon card I originally bought was borked from the computer store: it wouldn't display video), so I took it back and the only thing they had that was close was an nvidia. They have worked hard to lose me as a customer. I suspect next time they will be successful.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[TheGoodNamesWereGone]

I agree in that I wish Nvidia would go faster, but what will you do? Run Noveau? The fact remains they DO support Linux, and they do it a helluva lot better than AMD/ATI do.. Now, if you don't run 3-D games that tax the hardware you'll probably be fine. I'm not picking on you so much as expressing frustration at the people who complain about Nvidia. No, their support isn't perfect. Yes, they've stumbled. Yes, they pour most of their resources into the Windows driver because Windows, crappy as it is, has 90% of the market. Mod me down, bitch about what I'm saying, whatever. I run Linux myself with an aging GT240 card. I boot into Windows once a month on my main machine for Patch Tuesday. ATI is not a real viable option, and while Intel graphics is fairly well supported, their 'cards' are not really as powerful. Be patient. There'll be a new driver out soon.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[iggymanz]

don't blame nvidia for not supporting the ever-mutable internal API of the Linux kernel. it's your fault for trying to run bleeding edge crap; stick with stable polished mainstream distros and you'll always have an nvidia driver

Re:Nvidia drivers

[smash]

Given that 3.10 is not a release, getting new drivers for 3.10-rcX is better than you can expect with WINDOWS so I'm not sure what your bitch is. When I've upgraded Windows (RELEASE software) I've had driver issues for weeks or months while the vendors catch up. This has happened to me every single OS upgrade in Windows land, save for the jump from Windows 95 to Windows 98.

Having a cry about Nvidia's shitty Linux support for this is a bit off the mark, IMHO. They don't even put drivers out for rc versions of Windows.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[TheGoodNamesWereGone]

But... but... but he had me going for a minute there! He had me convinced ATI had better Linux support than Nvidia! Now you go and ruins it. Thanks a lot.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[emblemparade]

I'm with you in this sentiment generally, though I'm also away of Linus' "fu** you, NVIDIA" moment. Apparently, NVIDIA are annoying collaborators with devs, and not only for video drivers.. so let's not cut them too much slack.

My pet peeve: people complain constantly that NVIDIA "refuses" to open source their drivers. But these people don't understand that it's not a matter of merely deciding to do so: the NVIDIA drivers contain a whole bunch of 3rd-party code that NVIDIA cannot legally open source. It would require either 1) a lot of legal agreements (and likely lots of royalty and lawyer fees) to make 3rd-party agreements, or 2) rewriting the 3rd-party code from scratch, without referring to the original code. Both of these tasks are monumental and very expensive (for task #2, they would have to hire new programmers that have not been "tainted" by having seen the original code).

Specs can't be "just" released for similar reasons: like the code, they are encumbered by patents and copyrights.

NVIDIA have expressed a general will to open source the driver, but it may take years to take it to the next step.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[a_n_d_e_r_s]

Given that patents has already been sent to the patent office and are public accessable from there; patent are never a reason for not open up specs.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[Bert64]

So what's to stop them opening up those bits that they do own, and then allowing the community to fill in the blanks?
Considering people are willing to try writing a complete driver from scratch, replacing a few missing bits in an otherwise complete driver isn't much of a stretch.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[K. S. Kyosuke]

for task #2, they would have to hire new programmers that have not been "tainted" by having seen the original code

Uhm, why?

Specs can't be "just" released for similar reasons: like the code, they are encumbered by patents and copyrights

That makes no sense. Patent encumbrance can't possibly matter for releasability (is that a word?) of specs; patents are public by definition. And copyright is yours if you write the spec yourself.

Re:Nvidia drivers

[Sique]

You don't violate a patent by publishing how it works. And you don't violate a patent by publishing the specs of a patent encumbered device. That's one thing patents are made for: You can publish how it works, and still the original inventor (or the current patent holder) doesn't have to fear his revenue stream dies.

Thank you, Dr. Linus Torvalds

[Anonymous Coward]

You are one of the greatest and most generous people on Earth. Thank you for all your work!

Re:Thank you, Dr. Linus Torvalds

[turrican]

why, he didnt do shit except scream like a tyrant

Perhaps he's channeling Steve Jobs.

Re:Thank you, Dr. Linus Torvalds

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

why, he didnt do shit except scream like a tyrant

A bit of applied tyranny can be just what certain situations need... (And, by historical standards, Torvalds provides tyranny services at extremely reasonable rates)

Linux is obsolete. HURD is coming

[Anonymous Coward]

GNU Hurd is going to reach stable status very soon! At that point, Linux will be essentially obsolete.

Re:Linux is obsolete. HURD is coming

[iggymanz]

just in time to run the Perl 6

Re:Linux is obsolete. HURD is coming

[c0lo]

GNU Hurd is going to reach stable status very soon! At that point, Linux will be essentially obsolete.

HURD? Heck, why? I mean: what's wrong with EMACS OS? You can even tweet from it: try this using only the retarded Linux or HURD kernels!

(ducks)

Re:Linux is obsolete. HURD is coming

[Drishmung]

I take it OP is an astrophysicist, and anything quicker than stellar evolution is "very soon".

Re:Linux is obsolete. HURD is coming

[idunham]

Yea, sure, EMACS is a great OS.

It just lacks a decent editor. :!duck :x

Re:Linux is obsolete. HURD is coming

[serviscope_minor]

It just lacks a decent editor

No it doesn't. Try the following:

M-x term
vi

Re:Linux is obsolete. HURD is coming

[BrokenHalo]

Oh dear. here we go again...

Re:How Long Before Showing up in Major Distributio

[donaldm]

How long before it shows up in major distributions such as Linux Mint?

Don't know, but Fedora 18 has 3.9.6-200.fc18.x86_64 and that was a week ago. A quick check of the updates indicates that the 3.9.6 kernel is still the latest. As far as getting the 3.10 kernel goes I would say within a week or two, however it really depends on your distribution and how up to date the maintainers like to keep the repositories.

If you are the repository maintainer for a customer that is using say Redhat Linux (you would be crazy to install a non supported Linux distribution on a production or even development machine) you may have a two to six month delay offset on updates and that is assuming that the customer or company allows 6 monthly updates. In my experience many companies don't like to do any updating once their systems are up and running and it is allot of work on the IT managers side to even get critical patches applied and without the appropriate sign-off's and agreed outages (normally 10 minutes) nothing gets done.

Re:How Long Before Showing up in Major Distributio

[Zontar The Mindless]

What does kernel development have to do with UI design?

It's much better, but I still have serious bugs

[dutchwhizzman]

I have a 7850 and I get frequent X restarts with the latest binary driver after trying to resize a window that has something accelerated in it happening. Also, (not their fault) I can't use oclhashcat with the latest driver. It seems they have quite a few rough edges left to polish out still.

Re:It's much better, but I still have serious bugs

[BrokenHalo]

I find all of these whines about nVidia somewhat amusing, in that they have been the most prominent of technology manufacturers who have taken the trouble to support Linux for many years. OK, the laptop I'm using right now has an Intel GPU, but I've lost count of the number of perfectly good nVidia cards I've had to replace, only for the simple reason that motherboard replacements don't have slots that fit them. I have never yet had one break.

Ask anyone who has struggled with marginally-supported graphics cards (Anyone remember SiS?) in the earlier days of Linux, and you will find many (myself included) who breathed a sigh of relief when nVidia came along with proper cards with drivers that actually worked.

Re:I wish they would fix khugepaged

[Megor1]

Yeah, someone should invent "echo madvise > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled" and maybe make the default a config option or something... oh, wait.

Except that crappy workaround doesn't fix it, you have to set it to never as a workaround or simply disable transparent huge pages on boot.

Re:Ok

[Kidbro]

No.

Re:Ok

[nashv]

You are wrong. You are assuming software version numbers are numeric, following a decimal number system. They are not.

They are strings, in this case, of the format : '(major_iteration).(minor_iteration)'. Such a pseudo-numeric format is used for several other denotations. A commonly used one is the date. A less common one is chromosomal locations of your genes. To parse such a string, you must know the rules of the format.

Print this, paste it on your wall. And never whine about software version indicators of any kind ever again.

Kernel Newbies?

[MMC Monster]

Do we not like Kernel Newbies anymore? I've always looked to them for a synopsis of kernel features: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.10

Re:Ok

[petteyg359]

If you're doing version comparison based on ASCII codes, you might as well give up now, because you have a terminal case of stupid.