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Linux 3.10 Officially Released
hypnosec writes with word that "The Linux 3.10 kernel has been officially released on Sunday evening which makes the 3.10-rc7 the last release candidate of the latest kernel which yields the biggest changes in years. Linus Torvalds was thinking of releasing another rc but, went against the idea and went ahead with official Linux 3.10 commit as anticipated last week. Torvalds notes in the announcement that releases since Linux 3.9 haven't been prone to problems and 3.10 is no different."
I'll wait for 3.11
Nvidia drivers should be available for the new stable beast by the end of next month. They will get around to it when they are darn good and ready. 3.10-rc1 broke the latest driver. They released a driver about two rc releases ago, but it was still borken. I actually think they released it so that they could say 'see, see, we released a driver just a few weeks ago, so you shouldn't see anything new from us for a while!' It was a fluke that my current hardware build included an nvidia video card (the radeon card I originally bought was borked from the computer store: it wouldn't display video), so I took it back and the only thing they had that was close was an nvidia. They have worked hard to lose me as a customer. I suspect next time they will be successful.
How long before it shows up in major distributions such as Linux Mint?
You are one of the greatest and most generous people on Earth. Thank you for all your work!
GNU Hurd is going to reach stable status very soon! At that point, Linux will be essentially obsolete.
How long before it shows up in major distributions such as Linux Mint?
Don't know, but Fedora 18 has 3.9.6-200.fc18.x86_64 and that was a week ago. A quick check of the updates indicates that the 3.9.6 kernel is still the latest. As far as getting the 3.10 kernel goes I would say within a week or two, however it really depends on your distribution and how up to date the maintainers like to keep the repositories.
If you are the repository maintainer for a customer that is using say Redhat Linux (you would be crazy to install a non supported Linux distribution on a production or even development machine) you may have a two to six month delay offset on updates and that is assuming that the customer or company allows 6 monthly updates. In my experience many companies don't like to do any updating once their systems are up and running and it is allot of work on the IT managers side to even get critical patches applied and without the appropriate sign-off's and agreed outages (normally 10 minutes) nothing gets done.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
What does kernel development have to do with UI design?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
"wondering if anything has been put in there to facilitate government spying" - Didn't you read the article about Atlassian?
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
It's funny because you pretend like Mint isn't a major distribution. I mean, it's not like it's the 2nd most widely used or anything, right?
Still no fix for khugepaged killing your system :(
Everyone that disagrees with me is a paid shill
Makes perfect sense, the xpad driver is for Xbox controllers... The Xbox and Xbox 360 (as well as PS3 and probably next-gen) controllers already interface via USB so they make great PC controllers as well.
I have a 7850 and I get frequent X restarts with the latest binary driver after trying to resize a window that has something accelerated in it happening. Also, (not their fault) I can't use oclhashcat with the latest driver. It seems they have quite a few rough edges left to polish out still.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
only over a decade late on that post!
Fedora makes available new kernels within a few days, for those that want to play with the latest and greatest. The 3.10 kernel should be available within the next 24 hours using the Fedora rawhide kernel nodebug repository.
Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.
Get a new bit of stuff to cut and paste to earn your money you very lazy shill - Win2k and VB are from a decade ago.
No.
May we live long and die out
(you would be crazy to install a non supported Linux distribution on a ... development machine)
No, I strongly disagree.
You should be able to smash up your development machine with a hammer now, and be back up and running in a few hours. I've run all sorts of stuff as development machines, including distros far out of support for various reasons, and others like Arch which are totally bleeding edge.
Also, hardware aside, I've never screwed up a developement machine so badly that I couldn't put off fiing it until a convenient time. That includes accidently killing an ubuntu upgrade part way through.
Workstations can and should be very quick to replace and also not too heavily tied to a single install. It helps that everything I develop comes with configure scripts now. Makes it much easier for me to rebuild a working machine and makes it nice and easy for my customers to deploy on a fixed system or noew hardware.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You are wrong. You are assuming software version numbers are numeric, following a decimal number system. They are not.
They are strings, in this case, of the format : '(major_iteration).(minor_iteration)'. Such a pseudo-numeric format is used for several other denotations. A commonly used one is the date. A less common one is chromosomal locations of your genes. To parse such a string, you must know the rules of the format.
Print this, paste it on your wall. And never whine about software version indicators of any kind ever again.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
I'm not 100% certain what you're implying by "non-supported Linux distribution" but if you're referring to that little bullet point on your Dell PowerEdge spec sheet claiming to support "Red Hat" as being some sort of gospel and installing Debian (for example) is "crazy" I must conclude you've been drinking the marketing kool-aid.
That (totally non-standard) spec you point to has a severe downside: it recommends for pre-releases to have a patch level. That's no only wasteful (it will be always 0), but also makes pre-releases sort AFTER the final:
3.0.0-rc1 > 3.0.0
3.0-rc1 < 3.0.0
(because - < . in ASCII).
Most projects I know of, including Linux, use 3.0-foobar for versions leading to 3.0.0.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
The 3.9 releases haven't been prone to problems? Half of the 3.9 RCs panic'd my Phenom II X6 1045T system.
I call shenanigans.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Just don't upgrade to version 3.10, then you can still round up and say, "I'm roughly running version 4".
Do we not like Kernel Newbies anymore? I've always looked to them for a synopsis of kernel features: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.10
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
That includes accidently killing an ubuntu upgrade part way through.
You've done that? Far out.
:)
I've never been able to stick with Ubuntu for more than an hour, much less upgrade it...
So here's a question: why aren't SBC manufacturers keeping up with kernel versions? Shipping product is often stuck somewhere in the middle of the 2.6 series.
You've done that? Far out.
It's kinda fixed, with judicious use of cargo-cult apt and dpkg incantations.
I've never been able to stick with Ubuntu for more than an hour, much less upgrade it... :)
Well it helps if you install FVWM and a few other nice tools :)
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You clearly aren't an Ubuntu user. Neither am I anymore. (I went back to Debian.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
You were rather vague about just what you were complaining about, but from context I presume it to be GUI. Probably Gnome3. If so I certainly agree, but it doesn't have much to do with the kernel.
OTOH, there was a time when the scheduler varied a lot between releases. That seems to have stabilized, though, over a year ago. Otherwise, I can't guess what you are talking about.
(FWIW, there was a C library change a few years ago that broke some games I have installed. So I run them on a virtual machine. It's annoying, but what can you expect of proprietary software. ... It's not like Loki is around anymore for me to complain to.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I've been writing software since Gerald Ford was president, son.
3.9 > 3.10
Take your pseudo-numeric format and park it.
Someone pulls idea out of their ass, makes website about it, then claims everyone else is wrong. Film at 11.
If you're doing version comparison based on ASCII codes, you might as well give up now, because you have a terminal case of stupid.
So I'm supposed to have a magical sorter that hires an oracle for every pair of version numbers, right?
There's a common scheme of comparing them that almost everyone agrees with: sort lexically, taking a string of digits as single symbol: 3.9.2 compares as less than 3.10.1, 3.10a as less than 3.10b. That "semver" proposal doesn't work with that.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
you can run drivers for XP on Windows 7
Correction: You can run a select few drivers from Windows XP on Windows 7. Most drivers will not function, even in 32 bit mode, which is why most drivers you download have a separate xp/2k folder. Microsoft pulls this crap all the time.
Windows 3.11 drivers worked in 95, but they changed the framework in 98, then again for 2000, then again in Vista. I'm quite surprised they didn't do it again in 8, because it's been a constant "Every other release" change. Your whole "Windows uses a consistent ABI" thing is a myth, plain and simple, but that doesn't matter because you're apparently a robot who will repeat this in the next thread that pops up too.
That's a good point. And yes, I agree that semver is in no way standard. In fact, I was mainly lazy and picked the first semi thorough reference I could find on the classical versioning number scheme, though to be honest I'd rather just distill it to:
A version number is a tuple of integers of decreasing significance separatade by a dot. Whenever one of the integers is incremented by one, the subsequent ones are reset to 0 or removed.
Other shenanigans (such as -rcX) varies between projects, and is usually easy enough to figure out from context.
May we live long and die out
Simple string sort says 3.10a > 3.10. "a" and "b" can work like version numbers as in OpenSSL, but they don't work as designations for "alpha" and "beta" unless you're already finagling your sorting algorithm, in which case checking for semver's "1.0.0-alpha" or "1.0.0+a1b2c3" and placing them behind "1.0.0" is hardly more effort. If you're really concerned about making the string sort slightly simpler, then why not put in a change request to make the patch version optional on pre-release versions? There's a nice "open an issue on GitHub" link near the bottom of the front page.
If you haven't picked up that software versions are not decimal numbers in 2013 , you should have stopped writing software since Gerald Ford's term was over.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.