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Gladwell's Culture & Air Crashes Analysis Badly Flawed

Koreantoast writes "As a recent Slashdot article showed, interest in Malcolm Gladwell's theory on the impact of culture on airline crashes has come up again following the tragic accident of Asiana Flight 214. Yet how good was Gladwell's analysis of the Korean Air Flight 801 accident which is the basis of his theory? A recent analysis by the popular Ask a Korean! blog shows serious flaws in Gladwell's presentation: ignorance of the power dynamics amongst the flight crew, mischaracterizations of Korean Air's flight accident record (three of the seven deadly incidents characterized as 'accidents' were actually military attacks or terrorism) and manipulative omissions in the pilot transcripts to falsely portray the situation. 'Even under the most kindly light, Gladwell is guilty of reckless and gross negligence. Under a harsher light, Gladwell's work on the connection between culture and plane crashes is a shoddy fraud.' Perhaps Gladwell should have asked a Korean before writing the chapter."

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  1. Yeah but it makes a good story by Sir+or+Madman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Same happened after the Tenerife crash, with people characterizing one of the crashing captains as an unchallengeable authority and trying to blame the crash on that. And yeah, not true it turns out. Whoda thunk it!?

    1. Re:Yeah but it makes a good story by RaceProUK · · Score: 4, Informative

      And we all no they never make mistakes, nor do the people who build them and write software for them.

      A point worth making for sure, but remember that avionics software is held to a much higher standard than most software. Because the software is directly responsible for human life, and the developer held accountable for failures, they test the shit out of it before even thinking about possibly building a release at some point int he future. But only after more testing.

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      No colour or religion ever stopped the bullet from a gun
    2. Re:Yeah but it makes a good story by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Informative

      Malcolm Gladwell. Can you really take seriously, the man who claims that Steve Jobs will be forgotten by history, while Bill Gates will be revered like Pasteur and Oskar Schindler ?

      Gladwell's been savaged enough for his whole "Tipping Point" pseudo-mathematical twaddle. As a columnist for the NYT, he's a perfect Tweedle-Dum to Thomas Friedman's Tweedle-Dumber.

      What's less apparent to people is that Gladwell is a stooge, and lickspittle lackey to big industry.

      Dissident Voice has a great article on how he's used his podium to Astroturf for denial of benefits to the insured.

      "Gladwell has yet to disclose a list of his corporate clients and how much they pay him. Here is a partial list compiled from various publicly available sources:"

      • Philip Morris
      • Lehman Brothers
      • Microsoft
      • AHIP (health insurance lobby)
      • Bank of America
      • SHRM (union-busting lobby group)
      • Genentech
      • PricewaterhouseCoopers
      • Hewlett-Packard
      • Retail Real Estate Industry

      Look into Project S.H.A.M.E., to fully expose the depth of this fraudulent, pseudo-intellect.

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      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:Yeah but it makes a good story by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the one that crashed because of the humans in the loop mistaking the units, right?

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    4. Re:Yeah but it makes a good story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're off by an order of magnitude.

      No virtual memory machines. No dynamic memory allocation. Every single line of code is directly traced to a requirement, and each requirement traces directly to the code that accomplishes it. Each possible code path tested against the range of plausible inputs. Each input to each function sanity checked, each error path validated against all identified triggers. Strong preference for a pure Harvard architecture, occasionally done in FPGA just so that you can't screw that up. Document each use of a pointer with justification for the deviation from programming standards.

      It goes through robust hardware in the loop (iron bird) testing for a year or 3 before it gets into an aircraft. Prayer is not part of the test flight; that's so fuckign boring and routine that I've never wondered what will happen in flight test. I pray through audit and have only been surprised twice by the iron bird.

  2. Comment on Korean pilots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here is a comment going around from someone in the know, its even harsher than Gladwell was on Koreans.

    ----- hi
    enjoy your flight on Asiana..

    After I retired from UAL as a Standards Captain on the -400, I got a job as a simulator instructor working for Alteon (a Boeing subsidiary) at Asiana. When I first got there, I was shocked and surprised by the lack of basic piloting skills shown by most of the pilots. It is not a normal situation with normal progression from new hire, right seat, left seat taking a decade or two. One big difference is that ex-Military pilots are given super-seniority and progress to the left seat much faster. Compared to the US, they also upgrade fairly rapidly because of the phenomenal growth by all Asian air carriers. By the way, after about six months at Asiana, I was moved over to KAL and found them to be identical. The only difference was the color of the uniforms and airplanes. I worked in Korea for 5 long years and although I found most of the people to be very pleasant, it's a minefield of a work environment ... for them and for us expats.

    One of the first things I learned was that the pilots kept a web-site and reported on every training session. I don't think this was officially sanctioned by the company, but after one or two simulator periods, a database was building on me (and everyone else) that told them exactly how I ran the sessions, what to expect on checks, and what to look out for. For example; I used to open an aft cargo door at 100 knots to get them to initiate an RTO and I would brief them on it during the briefing. This was on the B-737 NG and many of the captains were coming off the 777 or B744 and they were used to the Master Caution System being inhibited at 80 kts. Well, for the first few days after I started that, EVERYONE rejected the takeoff. Then, all of a sudden they all "got it" and continued the takeoff (in accordance with their manuals). The word had gotten out. I figured it was an overall PLUS for the training program.

    We expat instructors were forced upon them after the amount of fatal accidents (most of the them totally avoidable) over a decade began to be noticed by the outside world. They were basically given an ultimatum by the FAA, Transport Canada, and the EU to totally rebuild and rethink their training program or face being banned from the skies all over the world. They hired Boeing and Airbus to staff the training centers. KAL has one center and Asiana has another. When I was there (2003-2008) we had about 60 expats conducting training KAL and about 40 at Asiana. Most instructors were from the USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand with a few stuffed in from Europe and Asia. Boeing also operated training centers in Singapore and China so they did hire some instructors from there.

    This solution has only been partially successful but still faces ingrained resistance from the Koreans. I lost track of the number of highly qualified instructors I worked with who were fired because they tried to enforce "normal" standards of performance. By normal standards, I would include being able to master basic tasks like successfully shoot a visual approach with 10 kt crosswind and the weather CAVOK. I am not kidding when I tell you that requiring them to shoot a visual approach struck fear in their hearts ... with good reason. Like this Asiana crew, it didnt' compute that you needed to be a 1000' AGL at 3 miles and your sink rate should be 600-800 Ft/Min. But, after 5 years, they finally nailed me. I still had to sign my name to their training and sometimes if I just couldn't pass someone on a check, I had no choice but to fail them. I usually busted about 3-5 crews a year and the resistance against me built. I finally failed an extremely incompetent crew and it turned out he was the a high-ranking captain who was the Chief Line Check pilot on the fleet I was teaching on. I found out on my next monthly trip home that KAL was not going to renew my Visa. The crew I failed was given another check

    1. Re:Comment on Korean pilots by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't believe how so many Slashdotters willingly up vote this unsourced anecdote.

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    2. Re:Comment on Korean pilots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And I can't believe how many slashdotters are so disconnected from reality that they can't acknowledge that different cultures have inherent strengths, weaknesses, corruptions, and virtues. And this despite the constant discussion about different corporate, industrial, and philosophical cultures and these same types of inherent strengths, weaknesses, corruptions, and virtues.

    3. Re:Comment on Korean pilots by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I would put a lot more faith in that post if it had been signed by a real person whose own credentials we could verify.

      An Anonymous Coward reposting an anonymous blog posting doesn't - or shouldn't - be taken without a rather large grain of salt.

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      ~Idarubicin
    4. Re:Comment on Korean pilots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is remarkably little criticisms of the technical details in an overly technical post. This leads me to believe that the person is very knowledgeable in the field. The post is also very long and well written; a lot of effort and education went into the comment. If it is an attempt to troll, then we are staring at the Hope diamond of trolling.

    5. Re:Comment on Korean pilots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The original post is from pprune.org, dipshit. You know, the professional pilots forum. If you knew as much as you think you do, you would have known that.

    6. Re:Comment on Korean pilots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet in none of them have you actually argued any facts. You've simply gone "Nuh uh, you're wrong," you self-important twat.

  3. Horribly biased blog by Alomex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but its the blog author who fails the bias test:

    Here, Gladwell completely neglects to mention that two of the crashes were caused by either military engagement or terrorism.

    First of all he does acknowledge it was a military attack. Second it's the blog author the one who fails to acknowledge said military attacks caused by the plane wandering away from its route, which is very much pilot error.

    In fact the write up in that blog is so biased and the overall tone so inflammatory that the original story should be modded -1 Flamebait.

  4. Or simply by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The pilot was a trainee learning the capabilities and handling of the 777 and his co-pilot, the instructor was merely incompetent? I'll believe that before I believe cultural hierarchies resulted in the crash.

    This incident reminded me of another aircraft mishap involving SFO, a Compressor Stall with a somewhat rusty first officer at the stick on a 747

    [quote]
    On June 28, 1998, a UAL 747-400 that had just taken off from San Francisco International (SFO) experienced a number-three engine compressor stall. The plane shook violently, and the crew shut down the number-three engine. Then, instead of applying rudder, the first officer, who was piloting the plane, used ailerons and spoilers, further slowing the heavily-loaded plane. The stick-shaker stall warning activated, and the F/O pushed the nose over, getting so low that the ground proximity warning activated. The 747 cleared San Bruno Mountain, which is dotted with 600-foot TV towers, by less than 100 feet. At that point, the captain took control, dumped fuel and returned to SFO. In the aftermath of the incident, it was discovered many of the airlines' F/Os were flying for years without making any real-world takeoffs and landings.
    [/quote]

    What also came out of that incident was the fact that the first officer was getting instructions yelled at him from others in the cockpit while a more experienced captain sat there with his hands off the controls in the left seat. Eventually the more experienced captain finally took control of the plane and landed it back at SFO. Never mind the fact that there's passengers in the back and that you nearly hit a mountain letting the first officer get some experience. It could have been a very bad catastrophe but instead it was a near miss.

    The FAA after that mandated that pilots had to do more "real" takeoffs and landings instead of mostly simulator runs.

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    Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    1. Re:Or simply by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Read the one post above about how little actual flying time pilots get these days. Takeoff, get to cruise altitude, switch on auto pilot.

      How much actual stick and rudder time, I mean actual handling the aircraft do pilots get these days? Not in simulators, but in the cockpit, actually handling the throttles, the flaps and all the other controls. For all we know those 10,000 hours were really more like 1000 in terms of actually taking control. You had other pilots in that cockpit and nobody saw the problem, typical. But at least they're still alive and now they can tell their side of the story and maybe something good will come out of this in terms of training or better automation, cockpit warnings etc. to help in these kinds of situations.

      Not to be macabre, but this happens all the time in air disasters.
      Look at the Airbus 330 crash from a few years ago.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/29/air-france-crash-pilot-error

      [quote]
      Captain, Marc Dubois, 58, was resting when the Airbus began encountering turbulance, leaving co-pilots David Robert, 37, and Pierre-Cedric Bonin, 32, in the cockpit.

      Bonin was at the controls when the speed sensors failed. When the autopilot reacted to the confused readings by disconnecting itself and handing control of the plane to the pilot, he reportedly hauled the aircraft up to 37,500ft in an apparent attempt to slow it down. As a consequence the A330's stall warning sounded, meaning that the plane's aerodynamics were not generating enough lift even though its twin engines were working normally.

      Robert, Bonin's co-pilot at the time, supposedly check-listing the emergency procedures, lost precious seconds calling the captain and failed to correct his colleague's error as the plane plunged towards the sea, said the report. Dubois had returned to the cockpit seconds before the crash but was unable to save the situation as it hit the Atlantic belly first.

      A French pilot told Le Figaro newspaper: "This manoeuvre (the pulling up of the plane) is totally incomprehensible. My colleague must have panicked."
      [/quote]

      Inexperience cost all those people their lives. Yes there was a mechanical failure in sensing true airspeed but the guys in the cockpit didn't have enough experience actually flying the plane, ignoring stall warnings and were relying on the autopilot.

      Somebody has to fly that plane and personally I'd prefer it to be somebody who's got experience at actual control vs. simulated runs or hours logged on auto pilot.

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      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
  5. Re:How can this be? by Shortguy881 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Gladwell has never been one to adhere to scientific principles, he just spits out theories he likes and finds the evidence to support them:

    Criticism of Gladwell tends to focus on the fact that he is a journalist and not a scientist, and as a result his work is prone to oversimplification. The New Republic called the final chapter of Outliers, "impervious to all forms of critical thinking".[56] Gladwell has also been criticized for his emphasis on anecdotal evidence over research to support his conclusions.[57] Maureen Tkacik and Steven Pinker have challenged the integrity of Gladwell's approach.[58][59] Even while praising Gladwell's attractive writing style and content, Pinker sums up Gladwell as "a minor genius who unwittingly demonstrates the hazards of statistical reasoning," while accusing him of "cherry-picked anecdotes, post-hoc sophistry and false dichotomies" in his book Outliers. Referencing a Gladwell reporting mistake, Pinker criticizes his lack of expertise: "I will call this the Igon Value [sic] Problem: when a writer's education on a topic consists in interviewing an expert, he is apt to offer generalizations that are banal, obtuse or flat wrong."[58][n 1] A writer in The Independent accused Gladwell of posing "obvious" insights.[60] The Register has accused Gladwell of making arguments by weak analogy and commented that Gladwell has an "aversion for fact", adding that, "Gladwell has made a career out of handing simple, vacuous truths to people and dressing them up with flowery language and an impressionistic take on the scientific method."[61] Gladwell's approach has been satirized by the online site "The Malcolm Gladwell Book Generator".[62]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Gladwell

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  6. Re:That's ok, because... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Let's not forget that the "military attack" which was supposedly not an "accident" happened because KAL Flight 007 was hundreds of miles off course (ignoring conspiracy theories of why this happened).

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    Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
  7. Does anybody take Malcom Gladwell seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Philip Greenspun pretty much systematically took apart the aviation section of Outliers back when it was published:

    http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/foreign-airline-safety

  8. Not too surprising by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to say, I enjoy Gladwell's books. They're interesting and thought provoking. However, I've noticed a sort of pattern. He gives lots of examples of his theories, and the examples always sound compelling, but whenever I know about the example he's using in detail, his analysis is generally wrong. They're not patently provably wrong, but just wrong enough to make me uneasy and think, "This is a really weak argument here. If I knew about his other examples in detail, would they be equally weak?"

  9. Re:Accurate title by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    makes lame golf analogy when car analogy would've been superior.

    Isn''t that just a culture thing?

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  10. Re:That's ok, because... by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Informative

    (a) forced them to speak English well (because air traffic controllers speak English worldwide, apparently),

    At civil airports, English is mandatory. It's an ICAO requirement, actually, that all communications take place in English using standard phraseology.

    In fact, the requirement has gone up to require ALL pilots and controllers be tested for English proficiency - even if you're in an English-speaking country and speak it natively. Yes, you have to submit to a (relatively simple) English proficiency test as part of your license.

    Apparently, native speakers who score the max (Expert) are exempt from future tests - those who score one below (Operational) must re-take the test yearly. Operational is the minimum required to pass.

    Note this only applies to civil aviation. Military airports and airfields are completely different beasts.

    And in Canada, Quebec likes to be different so all their controllers tend to greet initially in French and grudgingly speak English to Canadian aircraft. (International aircraft they'll happily speak English to).

    An example set of questions and responses:
    http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/standards/general-personnel-test_taker_guide-2296.htm