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Blackberry 10 Sends Full Email Account Credentials To RIM

vikingpower writes "How a phone manufacturer making a somewhat successful come-back can shoot itself in the foot: Marc "van Hauser" Heuse, who works for German technology magazine Heise, has discovered that immediately after setting up an email account on Blackberry 10 OS, full credentials for that account are sent to Research In Motion, the Canadian Blackberry manufacturer. Shortly after performing the set-up, the first successful connections from a server located within the RIM domain appear in the mail server's logs. (Most of the story in English, some comments in German.) At least according to German law, this is completely illegal, as the phone's user does not get a single indication or notice of what is being done." (Here's Heise's article, in German.)

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  1. Re:lol what by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually is has, if you don't have a BES.

    If you needed to login to a server that did not have a BES you were forced to hand over your credentials to blackberry since the devices themselves did not talk any other protocols.

    They called this service BIS.

  2. Re:What person thinks this is OK? by pla · · Score: 5, Informative

    What person thinks this is OK?

    Every single non-technical person in the company, who have no clue whatsoever about the implications of this, don't care about all your "paranoid theories", and "just want the damned thing to work!"

    The same people who give their email address to every popup ad that asks for it and then bitch to IT about all the spam they get. And then bitch about all the still-spam-but-of-interest-to-them they stop getting when you turn up the filters on their account. And then bitch about having to remember yet another password when you give them access to manage their own spam filter settings and can't you just be a dear and go in every morning and manually delete the spam they don't want but let the spam they do want through?

  3. Re:What person thinks this is OK? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Informative

    Protip: This is the way BIS has always worked. A post explaining this from four years ago... Heise is way behind the times if they've only just now discovered that this is how BlackBerry email works.

  4. Re:Wow ... by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Informative

    But I've been advising companies who deal in secrets (R&D trade secrets mostly) to avoid Blackberry for the entire time I've been doing security consulting (since before I got a Treo) because it was never a secret how Blackberry works.

    Then despite youre really good explanation it seems that YOU dont fully understand it. If you have one of those expensive BES servers, RIM never sees your credentials, your mail, or anything, and you have THE most secure mass-market mobile email system out there.

    BES supports

    • Per-device symmetric encryption (way outclasses SSL which is a security nightmare between compromised CAs, compromised ciphers, and expiring certs)
    • Enforcing memory and device encrption for years prior to anyone else attempting it, let alone getting it right
    • remote device wipe which IOS / android have only recently gotten, and which actually works
    • enforcing any and every option you might want on any or all blackberries in your organization-- want to force all browsing thru a proxy? Or to go through your corporate firewall? Not a problem.
    • Locking down the devices to prevent installation of undesired apps

    Some of these features have been picked up by other device "classes" (IOS, Android), some have been reimplemented badly (ie, device encryption, remote wipe, screen lock), but noone has gotten the comms down as secure as a proper BES.

    If you're advising people to avoid BES for SECURITY REASONS, you shouldnt be in the business of advising people. Foreign governments have famously gotten their feathers ruffled because RIM makes it clear that there is no way to snoop those connections.

  5. Re:What person thinks this is OK? by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    likely

    Translation: I know nothing about how BES works, but I wont let my ignorance prevent me from criticizing it.

    For the record, anyone who has administered a BES knows that its a far better experience than anything ActiveSync has ever had, and magnitudes more secure. ActiveSync bases its entire security on a single server certificate, and having your cert chain vetted, and assuming that your trusted CA doesnt get compromised, and your ciphers arent subject to the BEAST attack. BES has per-device keys, and until AES gets cracked, BES wont be cracked.