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Hollywood's Love of Analytics Couldn't Prevent Six Massive Blockbuster Flops

Nerval's Lobster writes "In June, Steven Spielberg predicted that Hollywood was on the verge of an 'implosion' in which 'three or four or maybe even a half-dozen megabudget movies are going to go crashing to the ground.' The resulting destruction, he added, could change the film industry in radical and possibly unwelcome ways. And sooner than he may have thought, the implosion has arrived: in the past couple weeks, six wannabe blockbusters have cratered at the North American box office: 'R.I.P.D.,' 'After Earth,' 'White House Down,' 'Pacific Rim,' and 'The Lone Ranger.' These films featured big stars, bigger explosions, and top-notch special effects—exactly the sort of summer spectacle that ordinarily assures a solid run at the box office. Yet all of them failed to draw in the massive audiences needed to earn back their gargantuan budgets. Hollywood's more reliant than ever on analytics to predict how movies will do, and even Google has taken some baby-steps into that arena with a white paper describing how search-query patterns and paid clicks can estimate how well a movie will do on its opening weekend, but none of that data seems to be helping Hollywood avoid shooting itself in the foot with a 'Pacific Rim'-sized plasma cannon. In other words, analytics can help studios refine their rollout strategy for new films—but the bulk of box-office success ultimately comes down to the most elusive and unquantifiable of things: knowing what the audience wants before it does, and a whole lot of luck."

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  1. Better plots? by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These films featured big stars, bigger explosions, and top-notch special effects

    Maybe they'll start making... (gasp)... actual plots to accompany those stars/explosions/special effects?

    1. Re:Better plots? by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would be nice if our culture just became weary of entertainment cartel offerings, and people could once again take up more productive pastimes: making things, group outings and sports, exercise, hobbies...anything besides sitting on butts and watching brain numbing nonsense (yes, I'm as guilty as anyone)

    2. Re:Better plots? by jkflying · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like they think we can't tell the difference between a movie targeting our demographic and a good movie. Just because it targets our demographic doesn't mean we'll enjoy it.

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    3. Re:Better plots? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...weary of entertainment cartel offerings, and people could once again take up more productive pastimes: ... group outings, sports, exercise...

      Dude, you're gonna lose your Geek Card over that.

    4. Re:Better plots? by Gutboy · · Score: 5, Informative
    5. Re:Better plots? by LordNimon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I heard that the plots and scripts are being dumbed-down so that they translate better into foreign markets, especially China. So instead of one culture enjoying a movie, none of them do.

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    6. Re:Better plots? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Maybe they'll start making... (gasp)... actual plots to accompany those stars/explosions/special effects?"

      They think they've found some "formulas" that are common to blockbuster movies... and maybe they're right. BUT... as much as I hate to say this again, correlation does not equal causation. The fact that many blockbusters may have followed particular patterns does not mean that following those patterns will automatically make a good movie.

      All formulas aside... it STILL has to be a good movie.

    7. Re:Better plots? by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      exactly.

      White middle aged male. I love a good indie flick that I have to watch in subtitles.

      Take something simple and recent. the girl with a dragon tattoo. The original swedish movies are awesome. The james bond remake are a joke in comparison. Changing who is even the star.

      I call it hollywoodifcation. when they take a good story and make it fit into hollywood story board.

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    8. Re:Better plots? by Dave+Emami · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe they'll start making... (gasp)... actual plots to accompany those stars/explosions/special effects?

      General: Mr. Bay, can you think of any idea how to outwit these terrorists?

      Michael Bay: I believe I can. We start... by making a big CG building and then we have a meteor go CROSSHH! and it, and it's all like CRAAWWW a-and motorcycles burst into flame while they jump over these helicopters, right?

      General: No no! We need ideas how to stop the terrorists!

      Michael Bay: An eighteen-wheeler spins out of control and it's all like BROSSHH! And then this huuuge tanker full of dyna-

      General: Those aren't ideas, those are special effects!

      Michael Bay: I... don't understand the difference.

      General: I know you don't. Get him out of here!

      (South Park, "Imaginationland")

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    9. Re:Better plots? by jbolden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly, this desire for international release is a big part of the problem.

      Of course without international release budgets need to come down.

    10. Re:Better plots? by sehlat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is NOT the plots. There are only a very few plots. (e.g. "boy meets girl", "the man who learned better," etc. etc.)

      The problem is storytelling. Hollywood invests millions in stars, explosions and what-not, and pretty much forgets that the basic goal of what they have to do is tell a story . Neither "Citizen Kane" nor "Casablanca" have special effects, but they're on pretty much everybody's "best of all time" lists. If you're not telling a captivating story, you're wasting the audience's time and money.

    11. Re:Better plots? by RJFerret · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Inception. (Heck, this one so intricate, is prompted multiple viewings, group viewings, and discussions that didn't reach agreement.)

      The Matrix. (Not surprisingly, the sequels were useless.)

    12. Re:Better plots? by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? Pretty much everyone I know agrees that Casino Royale and Skyfall have been some of the best Bond movies. Compared to, say, Moonraker, there's no competition.

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    13. Re:Better plots? by Macgrrl · · Score: 5, Funny

      Avoid the green ones. They're not ripe yet.

      Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.

      So many great quotes from that movie.

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    14. Re:Better plots? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 5, Funny

      But of course! France is well known for their love of dumb blockbuster action films with lots of car chases and explosions and little else. While here in the US we refuse to watch anything that is not a character study art film, ideally with subtitles. Hollywood knows that the shit they squeeze out is only useful abroad. Here in the US people are way too intelligent and sophisticated for mindless wild-ride fun which requires you to completely turn off your brain for a couple of hours. Clearly you are very familiar with the film industry in France.

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    15. Re:Better plots? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean, unlike the young people during the recessions of the '80s?

      That said, I haven't been to a cinema for years. I used to go with my housemates and some other friends when I was a student, until we realised that for the cost of us to go a few times (including food and so on) my housemates and I could buy a projector and a set of surround-sound speakers - the DVD was cheaper than the cost of two people going to the cinema - and my friends could come around and bring food and beer (generally of a higher quality than available in cinemas and for less money). When I graduated, one of my housemates bought out my share in the projector, but I bought another one on eBay for just under £200 that's lasted me 5 years (it now tells me the lamp needs replacing). My cost per film, including renting the DVDs and the cost of the equipment, is under £1 and I get to sit on a comfy sofa and watch films with people I like, not random strangers who think shouting at the screen or using their mobile phone is a good idea (oh, and I can pause it if I need to go to the toilet). How do cinemas think they can compete with that by constantly increasing prices?

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  2. Here's an idea by redmid17 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't do the following: 1) make shitty movies (overbroad but use the smell test) 2) Make sequels to shitty movies that might have barely made a profit 3) Make 18 superhero movies, reboot them, and complain when they flop 4) Don't let a fucking formula from a has-been screenwriter dictate the structure of every movie (http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8947871/The-origin-of-the-latest-Hollywood-formula) You can pay me now or later. I just want a 1% cut of all new movies.

    1. Re:Here's an idea by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I saw "Pacific Rim", and it wan't a shitty movie. It wasn't a great movie, either. It was mediocre, in a particular way that seems to be becoming more common as businesses begin to feel more confident crunching the numbers on a work of art. It's happening in publishing too, as second tier authors churn out clones of The Dresden Files, Sookie Stackhouse, The Hunger Games, and of course, Twilight. The formula is "Like X but with Y" -- e.g. "Like Twilight, but with zombies." Some literary agents are even asking for this kind of summation in query letters.

      I think this is because on a spreadsheet at least, it looks like you can make money without risk these days, if you just get the formula right. Usually these mediocre "me-too" books and movies aren't bad; in fact they often display a high degree of a certain kind of perfection -- the kind of perfection that consists of not making too many major mistakes.

      Take "Pacific Rim". It's high-concept -- giant monsters vs. giant robots -- and the script and director work hard to deliver exactly what is promised. No time is wasted on back story or set-up; the exposition is somewhat crude and artless, but it is calculated to take the minimum time possible to get the viewer to the giant robot action. You have to admire the high level of artistic discipline required to predictably churn out something serviceably mediocre, but it means that you won't get something great. If *all* you're looking for in a movie is CGI battles between giant robots and monsters, it'd be hard to improve on "Pacific Rim"; it's just that most of us, even mecha-loving geeks, kind of appreciate a story that has a bit more creative excitement in it.

      I've made something of an effort over the last couple of years to go back and re-read many classic sci-fi novels from the 40s - 80s, and almost without exception the great stories break some canons of taste. If you read a great novel critically, you'll almost always see that it has structural or artistic flaws; rules are broken, but so that the story can reach levels you can't get to by adhering strictly to a formula. I don't know as much about cinema as I do about books, but I bet it's much the same: you've got to be willing to try some things that are wrong, or questionable at least, to rise above mediocrity.

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  3. Problem is, that hollywood is ran by MBAs by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The same thing that is killing USA's Auto companies (save tesla), Boeing, and hollywood, is that MBA's now run things.
    Hollywood USED to be about making the best ART. Now, with the MBA's, it is about making short-term profit.
    Likewise, Boeing used to make the best aircrafts (in both military AND commercial). The 787 is all about making short-term profit (in the same way that GE does).
    Then US car companies, GM and Ford, used to be about making the best car possible. Now, it is about making short-term profits.

    If we really want to restore America, we need to roll back the changes that reagan did. In particular, we need to require that executives NOT own any of the publicly-traded stock in that industry.

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  4. movies need to offer a premium experience by alen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blu ray is $25 or so
    Movie theater is $30 plus the junk food and other costs to see a movie once

    If they want people to pay premium prices offer a premium experience
    Roomier seats
    Kick out people making noise
    No kids in adult movies
    No babies

  5. Re:Movies used to be about the art, the story. by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even the Hobbit was a bit disappointing.

    What do you mean, "a bit"? Bunny sled... birds crapping in the hair of 99% invented character... chased by tens of thousands of orcs, no problem... axe embedded permanently in skull of living dwarf... more Hollywood screen writing than actual Tolkein content... just for starters...

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  6. Anal.... anything is funny! by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 5, Funny

    I minimized my browser with this thread as the active tab.

    When I looked at my taskbar, the text showing was...

    "Hollywood's love of Anal"

    I suppose that says something about windows? Like, taskbar entries only support so many characters, or something? :)

  7. Re:Movies used to be about the art, the story. by TopSpin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I came up with the exact same summation; too much Indiana Jones. Some parts were great. Bilbo and Gollum under the mountain were truly excellent; it really did the book justice. The trolls weren't bad. The dwarf backstory was ok, going far beyond the book and doing it well.

    But damn... Radagast the rabbit sledding superhero? The interminable goblin chase sequence....? wow. The whole mountain giant sequence was an exercise in excessive CGI combined with some unexplainable contempt for continuity. At some point during production someone had to think "wtf is this?"

    There are two more. It is conceivable they didn't promulgate these mistakes to the remainder, but given that they've undertaken to stretch this relatively simple story over, what, 7.5 to 8 hours of movie... we could be in for a lot more fail.

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  8. Not a flop, at least not yet. by xevioso · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's way too early to mark Pacific Rim off as a flop.

    As of today it's worldwide haul is $175 Million, which is close to it's actual budget of $180 million.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=pacificrim.htm

    It has not yet opened in China or Japan, where it is expected to do gangbusters business. It may or may not make back the marketing costs and become profitable, but there is a good chance that it will, which will put it into the esteemed category of "Movies people think were flops but which actually weren't".

    The jury is still out.

  9. It's all about a dead cat by maynard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with Hollywood films right now can be summed up by they're killing the cat in an attempt to save it. What do I mean?

    There's a popular screenwriting book called Save The Cat - The Last Screenwriting Book You'll Ever Need that sets a page by page forumla for events within a typical movie. Things like, an opening image, setting the theme, introducing the hero, start of a B plot at the beginning of Act II, cross points for A and B plots, the great False Defeat, leading up to a Crisis of Self Confidence, and then the Big Payoff.

    Blah blah blah blah.

    Slate has a good article on how this book as turned movies into showdown of formulaic familiarity.

    It's not like the forumla is bad, per se. But if every film had been made this way we'd never have classics like Bridge Over The River Kwai, Laurence of Arabia, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, yada yada yada. Because the formula is limited. At its heart, it harkens back to Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces thesis (which every /. nerd into Star Wars should have heard about). A fine way to tell the Great Hero story, but terrible for deep character studies. And that's what's missing in Hollywood film and why good television like The Sopranos, The Wire, Game of Thrones and Mad Men have become so popular (and let's not forget the first few seasons of Battlestar Galactica, which were fantastic).

    In fact, George R. R. Martin's entire Song of Ice and Fire series eschews the whole Great Hero narrative and offers flawed characters with conflicting motivations told from multiple points of view, and - sorry to bring this word in on a tech site but... - that's why it's art. Which is also why Transformers isn't.

    A lot of people have been discussing issues with the blockbuster cycle and financing, and that's all part of it too. But there is a serious dearth of experimental writing involved too. The whole Hollywood system is screwed up. But let's at least Thank God for HBO and other cable network financing of long form multi-episodic storytelling.

       

  10. Re:The day human beings become rational ... by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Storytelling was recognized as formulaic as far back as Ancient Greece by Aristotle in his book Poetics. He knew then that most people like their stories to end up with the suffering hero redeemed, the villain punished for his misdeeds, forbidden love triumphant, etc. Therefore, that's what the moviegoers have paid for year after year, and that's what Hollywood continues to deliver today. It sells.

    I think the problem is pretty simply a glut. Thanks to modern media and communications, and extra thanks to cheap filmmaking gear, everyone is constantly exposed to endless variations and combinations of these stories. Flip on the TV and there are dozens of movies waiting to stream into your brain. Even if a few are decent, most don't even rise to the level of Sharknado or Snakes on a Plane. And with so many choices, we lack the editorial reviews and critics we might otherwise use to keep out the dross.

    When you see a movie that's truly new and novel, it sticks with you. Sometimes its a good story or came from a good book, sometimes it's a great actor, sometimes it's a new special effect or cinematography trick, or sometimes it plays on our childhood memories. Of course success quickly breeds imitation, and within months there are 58 variations on the theme, adding to the glut. And when the producers tire of the imitators, they release an official sequel or three, and eventually add a "reboot" or "remake" of the originals that captured our imaginations so long ago. They snazz it up, apply extra-modern graphics, bring in Daft Punk to record the soundtrack, hire sexy-fresh new kids to be tomorrow's stars, and retell the same old stories.

    Spielberg knows his problem is not that his next movie will have trouble competing with the current releases. It's that he's really competing against our fondest memories of classics such as Raiders of the Lost Ark, Shindler's List, Star Wars, Jaws, Casablanca, Snow White, and Toy Story, all of which are still busily crowding themselves onto our cable channels and Netflix queues. So other than the fact that he's got a billion dollars in the bank already, he's completely screwed.

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  11. Re:The day human beings become rational ... by anubi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll drop my two cent's worth here...

    For a long time, movies have been losing their appeal to me. The "theatrical experience" is not near what I expect anymore.

    I am told the movie starts at 7. I arrive no later than 6:45 so I can be seated well before the movie starts. So its already dark in the theater and they continuously bombard me with loud ads, keeping me from conversing with my friends. And I am considered rude for trying to communicate with my friends before the movie even starts? Ok, 7PM arrives. Movietime! More ads. Previews. Yet more ads. Coke, cars, TV personalities. When is the show? Ok, 30 minutes go by - they have screened all their crap and finally the splash screen for the feature presentation. By this time I am wondering just what I am doing here. This was delay upon delay trying to get eat the popcorn I had ( served in a little box ) so I would have to get some more. And the drinks are single served so I gotta pay for another specimen.

    Kids laughing. Babies crying. Phones ringing. Lots of distracting lights from texters. The guy behind me taking off his shoes and propping his feet up on the vacant seat right next to my nose. I ask myself why oh why did I do this?

    It took several years to delete my old ways, as the old perceptions I had of the theatrical experience had lost its flavor and no longer delivered satisfaction. I felt entering into a theater was just dropping my pants for a financial screwing at the snack counter, and a royal waste of time in front of the screen. If they are going to screen all those ads to me on my time ( time between when they *say* the movie starts to when the movie actually starts ), they should at least compensate me with free snacks.

    Many industries abuse their customer base. This is what happens. Demand destruction will not happen overnight, as there is a lot of habits formed over the years that have to be broken. But once broken, the onus is now on the marketer to re-establish the habit if they want to have a viable business model.

    It may look like a good business move to go ahead and hike the admission price to $15, surcharge the "silver experience" tickets sold last year, take money from other businesses to run ads to your audience when they came for the movie, mark up the snacks ungodly amounts, and sell dirt-cheap popcorn in little boxes to encourage repeat sales. Consider the demand destruction as your neglected audience finds other things to do. Then make your business decision.

    Consider once your customers have other plans, how do you lure them back?

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  12. Re: The day human beings become rational ... by Cederic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I haven't see all of last year's or this year's "big" films, but the five minute answer covering '82 to '11:

    1982 Blade Runner (Ridley Scott)
    1983 Scarface (Brian De Palma)
    1984 The Terminator (James Cameron)
    1985 Brazil (Terry Gilliam)
    1986 Ferris Bueller's Day Off (John Hughes)
    1987 The Princess Bride (Rob Reiner)
    1988 Akira (Katsuhiro Otomo)
    1989 A Grand Day Out (Nick Park)
    1990 Goodfellas (Martin Scorsese)
    1991 Boyz n the Hood (John Singleton)
    1992 Reservoir Dogs (Quentin Tarantino)
    1993 Schindler's List (Steven Spielberg)
    1994 The Shawshank Redemption (Frank Darabont)
    1995 Crying Freeman (Christophe Gans)
    1996 Trainspotting (Danny Boyle)
    1997 Gattaca (Andrew Niccol)
    1998 Run Lola Run (Tom Tykwer)
    1999 Fight Club (David Fincher)
    2000 Requiem for a Dream (Darren Aronofsky)
    2001 Amelie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
    2002 The Pianist (Roman Polanski)
    2003 Dogville (Lars Von Trier)
    2004 Shaun of the Dead (Edgar Wright)
    2005 Hard Candy (David Slade)
    2006 This Is England (Shane Meadows)
    2007 Juno (Jason Reitman)
    2008 Waltz with Bashir (Ari Folman)
    2009 The Scouting Book for Boys (Tom Harper)
    2010 Black Swan (Darren Aronofsky)
    2011 We Need to Talk About Kevin (Lynne Ramsay)

    No remakes (that I'm aware of), no sequels, and no easy formulaic films here.

    Shit, cutting down to a single film from some of those years was raw pain. '94 and '05 in particular.