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Imitation In Dogs Matches Humans and Apes

sciencehabit writes "The next time your dog digs a hole in the backyard after watching you garden, don't punish him. He's just imitating you. A new study reveals that our canine pals are capable of copying our behavior as long as 10 minutes after it's happened. The ability is considered mentally demanding and, until this discovery, something that only humans and apes were known to do."

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  1. THAT explains it! by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stop chewing on your wife's best shoes and the dog will stop doing that too! Oh and also don't chew on the sofa cushions either.

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    1. Re:THAT explains it! by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's behavior that most mammals do when they teethe due to physical discomfort.

      Just give your puppy his own chew toys that he KNOWS are his and quickly correct him when he tries to chew on things not his and he'll soon learn what he can and can't chew on. Of course, different breeds are easier to train than others so YMMV.

    2. Re:THAT explains it! by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whoooooooosh!

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    3. Re: THAT explains it! by nbritton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Easy fix... put the shoes away. It's all about operant conditioning with dogs. I suggest an e-collar, an alternative him to chew on, and positive reinforcement when he does something you want. I hear imitation also works, you could fetch some of his toys to chew... ;-)

      The other neat thing that dogs can do is figure out what you mean when you point at something, apes just can't seem to grasp this. NOVA did a documentary that attempted to qualify ape intelligence by showing the diffrences between human children and other animals. It was eye opening, particularly the use of tools and the crafting of weapons to kill prey by chimps. I think animals are a lot smarter then we give them credit for, anyhow here is a link: http://m.video.pbs.org/video/1200128615/

    4. Re: THAT explains it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If your dog misses a joke in the next 10 minutes now you'll know why.

    5. Re:THAT explains it! by ikarys · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dog: Woooooooofsh!

    6. Re:THAT explains it! by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on guys, that was ruff.

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    7. Re: THAT explains it! by rikkards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      E-collar? Put that on your kid and see how they react (or Children's aid). The latter two suggestions are the right answer. If you have to resort to shocking your dog then you are doing something wrong.
      Your second paragraph is very true, we are becoming more and more aware that animals are not purely instinct driven. Well they are but so are we, we just don't realize our needs and wants are just that.

    8. Re: THAT explains it! by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

      E-collar? Put that on your kid and see how they react (or Children's aid).

      There are a LOT of children that need that. I fully support the deployment of these things in schools for kids that are troublemakers.

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    9. Re:THAT explains it! by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

      My Jack Russell is pretty good at copying. He now sits up against the back of the couch and watches T.V. He'll snipe your beer, right from the bottle. Sleeps on his back with his head on the pillow. Shits on the neighbors lawn. Just like me!

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    10. Re:THAT explains it! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Stop chewing on your wife's best shoes and the dog will stop doing that too! Oh and also don't chew on the sofa cushions either.

      Also, it's a very good reason not to have sex with your wife in front of your pets.

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    11. Re:THAT explains it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      The first rule in training puppies is that you need to be at least as smart as the puppy.

    12. Re: THAT explains it! by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2

      Beep collar. Okay, that can work.

      I've had eight dogs over 35+ years, and tried to use a radio collar only once, and only for a brief time. There were RC hobbyists and ham radio nuts in the neighborhood and someone's equipment was causing false signals to the collar. Perhaps the new ones have better protection from that now.

      Every dog I've owned has been trained with a silent whistle in "Come", "Drop", and "Stay" commands. I carried the whistle on my key chain. Its effective range was over a quarter mile on open fields, far beyond my yelling distance, and comparable to the range of a radio collar. Advantages over the radio collar is that the whistle was always with me, there were no batteries to bother with, it was unaffected by water, it was not a potential noose (collars can get hung up on wire fences, etc), and the big one: with distinctive patterns of long and short blasts, it can deliver more than one command. Such as "Drop, Stay" when the dog had gotten on the other side of a busy road.

      High tech is kewl. Appropriate tech is better.

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    13. Re: THAT explains it! by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Interesting

      More to the point, dogs and man have co-evolved. They are symbiotic species: they evolved in such a way that each species had a much better chance of raising progeny to mating age than either species had on its own. That's a strong natural selection process.

      Part of this is that dogs and man learned to communicate with each other to a greater degree than dogs in a pack communicate with each other. They seek eye contact and use a rich gesture language to communicate their feelings to each other. Human pointing is an extension of that. The evolutionary advantages of pointing are pretty much obvious.

      It should not be surprising that many of man's social structures-- lodges, tio-spayes, clans, small villages, high school cliques, gangs, etc-- are more dog-like than they are ape-like. Humans would not be like they are if they had not teamed up with dogs.

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    14. Re: THAT explains it! by jittles · · Score: 2

      Beep collar. Okay, that can work.

      I've had eight dogs over 35+ years, and tried to use a radio collar only once, and only for a brief time. There were RC hobbyists and ham radio nuts in the neighborhood and someone's equipment was causing false signals to the collar. Perhaps the new ones have better protection from that now.

      Every dog I've owned has been trained with a silent whistle in "Come", "Drop", and "Stay" commands. I carried the whistle on my key chain. Its effective range was over a quarter mile on open fields, far beyond my yelling distance, and comparable to the range of a radio collar. Advantages over the radio collar is that the whistle was always with me, there were no batteries to bother with, it was unaffected by water, it was not a potential noose (collars can get hung up on wire fences, etc), and the big one: with distinctive patterns of long and short blasts, it can deliver more than one command. Such as "Drop, Stay" when the dog had gotten on the other side of a busy road.

      High tech is kewl. Appropriate tech is better.

      So there are advantages and disadvantages to both technologies. We go to the dog park on a regular basis and there are often 8 or more dogs there. With the collar, I can get her attention only, and not bother the other dogs at the park. It is also waterproof (a must because my beast loves the water). It also has different channels, with support for up to 4 collars at a 300 yard range. I thought about the whistle, but it just wasn't ideal for the dog park. I've left the collar turned on for about 4 days before the battery died. It has pretty good longevity. Of course, mine is a hunting collar and they expect you to use it for days at a time in the sticks. But you are right, there is not much I can do about the collar being a choking hazard. That's why we only use it when I plan to let her off the leash.

    15. Re: THAT explains it! by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2

      I left something out in my description of using whistle commands.

      I often had two dogs at a time. I learned early on that I needed a distinctive whistle pattern for each dog, basically a "Pay attention!" command, to be followed with the action command. So basically I gave each dog its own name in whistle-speak. The equivalent of teaching "Diogi! Come!" "Juna! Stay!"

      As Wolters said, the first command every dog needs to learn is their name. That is a command, and the command is "You, pay attention to me!" Same thing goes with whistle training.

      A dog trained in whistle-speak with its own whistle-speak name will do fine in a dog park. It is doubtful that any of the other dogs would respond to the whistle (each person's whistle has a its own distinctive pitch as well as its own distinctive patterns of short and long toots. Dogs hear those differences, and they are as distinctive as differences in voice.)

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    16. Re: THAT explains it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know there's some debate on this subject, however, my beagle will track across the screen and howl at any dog-like (or horse-like) image. I was curious if it was an audio cue, but she does it with the sound off, too. She doesn't react to a CRT, but pretty much any LCD or plasma (and not the fast refresh ones. The plasma in question is maybe a first or second gen plasma) I've run into has been good enough for her. Trying to watch Up was a funny experience. She freaked out the second the dog first appeared.
      One of our bulldogs will growl at dog images for a bit, then seems to realize that it's not real and ignores it until the next one shows up. The other bulldog ignores everything (even most real dogs, so I can't really be sure that he sees them on tv)
      Maybe there's significant difference throughout the dog population in this regard.

    17. Re: THAT explains it! by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      We cant keep them on the engineers of programmers here. They are too clever and find a way to remove them.

      The Marketing and Sales department, Yeah, they cant get them off even if we told them how.

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    18. Re: THAT explains it! by Anomalyst · · Score: 2

      In what school districts is a principal promoted to general?
      Although there might be a colonel of truth in the concept. Perhaps a proper stance a corporal punishment is key?

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  2. So when i see a dog licking the balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know i shouldn't kiss the girl that owns him

    1. Re:So when i see a dog licking the balls by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, why does your dog do that to my leg? Just what have you been letting him watch you do?

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  3. MPIAA by codeButcher · · Score: 4, Funny

    I did not copy that song! I Swear! It was my dog!

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    1. Re:MPIAA by Provocateur · · Score: 2

      The only thing my dog copied from me is my smartness.

      That, and drinking from the toilet.

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  4. Bah. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    "Doggie see, doggie do" just doesn't have the same catch as "monkey see, monkey do".

    Especially the "doggie do[o]" part...

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  5. fridge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    my old dog watched me open the fridge one day, and carried on doing it and emptying the contents until a child lock was put on it

  6. Re:Humans Co-evolved with Dogs! by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 3, Insightful

    P.sure that evolution is about retention of particular traits more suited to the environment. Whether that environment is dominated by non-organic or organic processes, and whether those organic processes are floral, bestial or human, is irrelevant. So, a breeding programme is an excellent demonstration of evolution at a fast pace.

  7. Re:Humans Co-evolved with Dogs! by jamesh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dogs didn't evolve from wolves. Dogs were bred from wolves. There is a world of difference. And that breeding program was designed to maximize certain aspects of canine intelligence. A dog is a man-made creation that has no relation to evolutionary development. In this light, the fact that dogs exhibit mimicry while almost no other animal does is not surprising.

    The difference is purely semantic. The difference is that dogs didn't evolve from wolves through natural selection, they evolved via human selection (which may still considered natural), but it's still an evolution.

  8. That explains it.. by sjwt · · Score: 3, Funny

    So this is why I see many fat dogs lately..

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  9. Dogs are no dummies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dogs have been scrutinizing us humans for 400 centuries, so they're experts at understanding our moods and behaviors.

  10. Cats Can Do This, But Most Can't Be Bothered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My cat imitates my actions, but then again he's a rare breed that has a reputation for acting more like dogs than cats. He's a Turkish Van who barks (short, loud verbalizations to get my attention instead of the traditional "meow"), fetches (some other cats can be taught to fetch... Turkish Vans teach their owners to play fetch), and generally exhibits the behavior of a pack animal that wants the favor and attention of the alpha animal (the human).

    As for imitative behavior, he loves to watch me wash dishes. Turkish Vans are fascinated by water (in nature they swim for fun and fish for food), so he has to be on the counter watching whenever I'm washing dishes. He sees me apparently rubbing my "paws" together under the stream of water, and if I turn to put the dish in the drying rack, he will invariably start pawing at the stream of water, and then rubbing his paws together under the stream. He's invariably very confused because he doesn't understand what this accomplishes, but he keeps doing it because he sees me doing it.

    Cats have the intelligence to imitate behavior, but they don't exhibit it because most domesticated cats do not have the pack mentality. They do their own thing unless there is a reward for doing your thing. You hear about people teaching their cats to flush the toilet, but that's usually because they're fascinated by the "reward" of getting to watch the whirlpool. Turkish Vans and dogs, however, will do things because they see you doing it and they want to win your approval by doing what you do.

  11. This is ridiculous by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2

    Mimicry is perfectly standard behaviour for animals. There have been studies on how parents teach their offspring how to hunt dating back decades. This applies on land, on/under water and in the air. Most of the studies I have heard about involve mammals or birds, I can't remember any involving reptiles, fish or (in particular) insects. Some larger spiders may have this ability - ones large enough to eat small ground-nesting birds for instance
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    The article itself is more about adapting behaviour by watching humans and that is self-limiting, apart from speech there is not much useful a bird can learn that way. I have a neighbour who used to look after the garden before it was turned into a lawn. Back then he had a fan - a blackbird which would hang around when he was digging, waiting for worms to be unearthed. It presumably recognised my neighbour as non-threatening and the digging as the same thing it would do but on steroids.
    I was attacked by a goose a few years back. We were sitting outside and someone had fun throwing it scraps, closer and closer to me. It tried to drive me off by driving at me while hissing and flapping its wings. I joined in the fun by advancing on it, hissing back and 'flapping' my arms the same way. Communication was achieved, goose withdrew to a safer distance.

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  12. Damn dog by azav · · Score: 2

    Still won't do my taxes.

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  13. shows how little we "know" by smash · · Score: 2

    My cats, both of them will attempt to do stuff like reach for the door knob to open closed doors. They are round knobs so they can't do it. But they know what they need to do. One of them has opened a bag of litter and knocked it over when we were out so she could do her business in it after the door to the room with her litter tray blew shut in the wind (I kid you not).

    Animals are a lot smarter than we give them credit for, a lot of the tests they "fail" is likely because they are simply differently motivated.

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  14. my friend's dog does this by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    My friend's dog is always getting yelled at over voice chat because instead of going to bed at a normal time, she hops off the bed and watches him play Neverwinter. He plays on his TV with a controller and headset so the dog knows that he's playing with the controller. So she always licks it and bites at it because she wants to play too. One time he got up for a second and his character basically had a seisure that involved running around and falling off a cliff in game and it turns out she was messing with the buttons with her tongue. So she's not very good at Neverwinter but at least she tries to imitate him.

  15. Re:Chihuahuas can imitate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had a border collie when I was a kid that would figure out just about anything. Opening doors, the refrigerator, digging up holes (and filling them in after getting an earful from my dad)... The most impressive thing she ever did though was picking vegetables from the garden. She could smell when they were ripe, and one year all the cantaloupe seeds that were planted sprouted. We had well over 400 cantaloupe that year, and it was very time consuming to pick them all. We would wake up in the morning with tens of fruit left at the back door, with teeth marks gently pressed in the rind from my dog.

    She also tried to pick other vegetables, with varying levels of success. The funniest was tomatoes, as she just couldn't manage to be gentle enough and always ended up leaving them semi-squished on the back step.

  16. Re:Big surprise by deadweight · · Score: 2

    My dogs LIE. Really. If they whine and point their noses at the door, they get let out. If they whine and point their noses at the kitchen, sometimes they get bones and sometimes we just say STFU we gave you enough bones already. So........they point at the door and you get up and when you are almost at the door they run back to the kitchen and point at the bones.