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British Porn-Censoring MP Has Website Defaced With Porn

twoheadedboy writes "Claire Perry MP, who has been the main driver of the UK government's plans for default blocking of pornography, has had her website plastered in porn by hackers. But the story only just begins there. Notable blogger Guido Fawkes, otherwise known as Paul Staines, posted on the matter, only to later be accused of sponsoring the hacking himself. During some back and forth over Twitter, it appeared Perry was 'confused,' as she said Fawkes had posted a link to the defaced page, when he had only shown a screenshot of the site. Given the backlash against the government's plans to censor porn and its technical fallacies, the event could be particularly embarrassing for Perry. She is not commenting on the matter, whilst Staines has threatened to sue unless Perry offers a retraction of her claim he had anything to do with the hack." The tweet: 'Apologies to anyone affected by the hacking of my website sponsored by @GuidoFawkes – proves so clearly what we are dealing with.' Someone needs a lesson about hypertext.

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  1. Further proof that the people pushing this agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...haven't a fucking clue.

  2. Lawmaker doesn't grasp technology .... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Film at 11.

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    1. Re:Lawmaker doesn't grasp technology .... by lennier1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This could get even funnier if you think about the Brits and their insane version of libel laws.

    2. Re:Lawmaker doesn't grasp technology .... by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Libel laws in the UK are far saner than the moronic system in the US

      In Britain:
      Journalist says "X is a deadly space alien!"
      X can now sue journalist, and will win unless journalist can prove X's alien-ness.

      In USA:
      Journalist says "X is a deadly space alien!"
      X now needs to prove non-alien-ness before being able to sue journalist.

      It's beyond retarded.

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    3. Re:Lawmaker doesn't grasp technology .... by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it doesn't, because it removes "Innocent until proven guilty" - the US system means you can accuse me of any crime, and the burden of proof is on *me* to prove I'm innocent, instead of on *you* to justify your claim.

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  3. Technical illiteracy among politicians by intermodal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was just commenting to a Scottish friend of mine who is a firm supporter of anti-pornography pushes that no matter how good the intentions may be of the politicians who back this kind of thing, inevitably they show their technological incompetence by believing such efforts will not either fall so short as to be worthless or overreach to the point where they have to be disabled to perform even day-to-day tasks.

    Ms. Perry has just demonstrated this same technical illiteracy to an extent I couldn't have hoped yesterday to be able to argue as a point without being accused of hyperbole.

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    1. Re:Technical illiteracy among politicians by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also think that they'd accomplish more by shipping the feminists that drive men to online porn in the first place off to an island.

      So, I tend to agree with most of what you said except for this little bit. The largest consumer of internet pr0n in the US is the state of Utah where, if I'm not mistaken, they still try to burn feminists as witches. (ok that's a bit of hyperbole, but you get the point). The real driver of a lot of this is sexual repression and the vilification of sexual acts and deeds by puritanical d-bags that just want to make sure that you're as unhappy and unsatisfied as they are.

      Other than that little bit, well said, this shit is by the book Orwellian.

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    2. Re:Technical illiteracy among politicians by denmarkw00t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be careful on that feminist bit...my fiancé is a feminist and enjoys pr0n as much as the next girl.

      Some more extreme views of feminism have forgotten the simple test of "Are you a feminist: Do you have a vagina? If you answered 'yes,' you are a feminist." The point being, the extremists (they're in every group!) have turned feminism into a four-letter word for a lot of people because they believe in telling you what you, as a feminist, should be. This is exactly what early feminism fought to get away from - the idea that anyone else but you should decide what you want to do with your life. Said fiancé has been reading a lot of stuff on "new feminism" and it enrages both of us when so-called "feminists" say that she can't be a housewife and a feminist at the same time, and she genuinely wants to be a housewife. Feminism was about equality, but to most people these days it means that all women should do what men traditionally do and they should never do what women "traditionally" used to do, even if they want to.

      Also, feminism in general has only promoted sexuality - true feminism means that your body is yours and you can present it any way that you want.

    3. Re:Technical illiteracy among politicians by orgelspieler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll admit, I am working off memory here. I dare not Google search "pornography addiction" form my work computer. Ha! But there have been quite a few studies showing the opposite. Some of which were commissioned by the US and other governments during the 70s.

      I'm not saying there isn't such a thing as a porn addiction. I'm saying that exposure to pornography is not negative in and of itself. If you are predisposed to addictive behavior like alcoholism or compulsive gambling, exposures to booze and slot machines have a much different effect than on non-addictive personalities. I can watch porn or not, I can drink a beer or not, I can play craps or not.

      So maybe I just don't see what the big deal is with all these "for their own good" types of laws. I'm not a big Ron Paul fan (I know, heresy), but his take on "Please Mr. lawmaker, please make heroine illegal so I won't shoot up all the time!" is spot on. Look we're all big girls and boys now. We can kill time however we see fit.

      If you were worried about everything that "destroys relationships" you'd be anti-video game, anti-TV, anti-Facebook, anti-Ironman, anti-football, anti-hunting, anti-fashion, anti-smoking, anti-debt, anti-not asking directions when you get lost, anti-fat, and just about anti everything. Oh yeah, and anti-divorce.

      I fail to see how "nothing good can come of it for us as a species." They used to say the same thing about rock-and-roll and women's suffrage. There are some beautifully done, yet hardcore, pornographic films. There are marriages that have been saved because "oh... *that's* how you do that!!" There are friendships that arise amongst film stars, rapport among fans, financial benefits from the industry, and social benefits to being able to openly talk about formerly taboo topics. If this amounts as "nothing good" then I guess we have a different definition of good.

    4. Re:Technical illiteracy among politicians by makomk · · Score: 1, Insightful

      At least in the UK, the problem isn't just that there are a handful of extremist feminists, but that essentially all of the feminist lobbying organisations who have influence within the government and the media insist that porn is an attack on women's rights and must be banned. Whenever (say) the BBC wants a feminists or womens-rights perspective on something, they turn to organisations like Object. Your girlfriend's views on feminism and porn are essentially irrelevant from a political perspective.

  4. What problem is this solving? by sylivin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Soooo..

    What exactly is the problem this legislation is trying to solve? I have seen all sorts of weird stuff on the internet in my years (plus had a few friends that *loved* to send me really wacky things) and yet, somehow, I ended up not being some sort of crazy deviant. But wait - One in a hundred thousand million will be! We must protect the children by censoring half of the internet for the entire nation's population!

    Hacking is bad. Censoring the internet for the entire population of your country? Much, much, MUCH worse.

    1. Re:What problem is this solving? by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What exactly is the problem this legislation is trying to solve?

      Claire Perry is having a problem getting votes in her upcoming reelection.

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    2. Re:What problem is this solving? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have seen all sorts of weird stuff on the internet in my years

      And, just to play devil's advocate, at what age did you start using the internet? Were you already old enough to have some context, or still quite young?

      The argument seems to hinge on the fact that quite young kids are accessing this, and growing up with a very distorted view of sexuality -- google for "Rainbow Parties" as an example. I believe one of the things often cited is that younger boys don't get the boundaries on what defines rape and consent.

      But if 11 year olds are growing up thinking bukkake, gang bangs and fisting are just part of 'normal'(*) sexuality and what's expected from them, they might be somewhat at risk for risky behavior or never learning how to date and hang out.

      I don't agree that the censorship is a good idea, but I can see how people growing up on the weird stuff you see on the internet can lead to a very messed up outlook and set of expectations about later in life.

      (*) You decide on your own normal, what two or more consenting adults do is their own damned business. But the argument that young kids are growing up with a very skewed version of sexuality isn't entirely without merit.

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    3. Re:What problem is this solving? by jxander · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what parents are for.

      It's not exactly hard. Have an solid parent/child relationship, where your kids feel comfortable asking you questions about non-sexual things, and when sex related topics come up, they might feel comfortable talking to you about those, too.

      Or you could always just keep a couple classy Playboys "hidden" in locations where the kids are bound to find them. Skew their priorities towards airbrushing instead of fisting..

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    4. Re:What problem is this solving? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The argument seems to hinge on the fact that quite young kids are accessing this, and growing up with a very distorted view of sexuality -- google for "Rainbow Parties" as an example.

      "Rainbow Parties" are the invention of neurotic adults with awful sex lives, not the internet. They are the sex-obsessed housewife's version of a teenagers "cleveland steamer" -- a ludicrously absurd sexual practice which says more about the mind that considers it than it does about reality.

      I don't buy the idea that children are growing up with a skewed idea of sexuality. You show me studies revealing higher incidences of sexual dysfunctions, neuroses, or crimes in present day youth compared to past decades, I might think differently. But if your arguments center around "Rainbow parties" and 11 year olds thinking "bukkake" is normal, then I think the problem is You.

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    5. Re:What problem is this solving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      younger boys don't get the boundaries on what defines rape and consent

      This problem is many thousands of years old. The fact that you think it's new says more about your lack of education than the downfall of society.

  5. Re:Further proof that the people pushing this agen by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reminding ourselves that they don't know what they're messing with may make us feel better, but I worry it makes threats like these seem less dangerous. They still can break things we hold dear. Moreso if they have no idea what they're doing. It's like telling yourself a kid doesn't know how to use your laptop: that's the problem, they can throw it on the floor and piss on it. Furthermore, the fact that they are ignorant isn't what's troubling. If they knew EXACTLY what they were doing with CISPA or ACTA, that doesn't really make much difference.

    So lets not bother laughing about how they think of the internet as a series of tubes. The internet is not a god, it may route around censorship and damage, but that doesn't mean it's all going to be okay. And how dare they fucking think they have the right to censor anyway. Ignorance doesn't excuse it. You brits ought to bring back the stocks for politicians who try to trample on your rights. Throw porn and rotten tomatoes in their actual faces. And broken glass.

  6. Re:Further proof that the people pushing this agen by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they knew EXACTLY what they were doing with CISPA or ACTA

    Politicians generally can't find their ass with both hands but they don't need to; you can be quite sure that their handlers know exactly what's going on.

  7. Re:Further proof that the people pushing this agen by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed.

    "Only cowards use censorship."

  8. Re:Further proof that the people pushing this agen by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless the UK is prepared to start doing deep packet inspection and blocking VPNs, external proxies, anonymizing networks and the like, all this is going to be is either some pathetic cookie-based on/off flag or nearly as pathetic DNS block. It will be totally useless, fuck up other chunks of the Internet, and those with the capacity to read a two or three paragraph faq will happily be viewing their porn in a minute. Yes, it will inconvenience some, it will also create a false sense of security, and Cameron gets to go to his shrill and reactionary base and go "see, now the kiddies can't see the titties!"

    Do you think anyone in Australia who wants to to view things the Australian government is afraid of can't get it running in a couple of minutes? These things are a joke, unless, as I said, Western governments want to start building China and Iran -like Great Firewalls.

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  9. Re:Further proof that the people pushing this agen by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The British ISPs have been telling the UK government for years now, through all the iterations of this "we must block x to save the children" nonsense that it is unworkable. The politicians by now are perfectly well aware how futile this is, but there are always a certain class of voters who will cast their ballot for Canute based upon the notion that he can stop the tides.

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  10. Re:Further proof that the people pushing this agen by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cameron gets to go to his shrill and reactionary base and go "see, now the kiddies can't see the titties!"

    Wait until he learns about breast feeding 8-(

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  11. The basic problem: by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you don't understand how something works, you can't understand the difference between a fix that's easy and effective, and a fix that's very hard and won't be effective.

    Example: Somebody who knows nothing about cars can say "Cars keep going above the speed limit. Can you make it so that cars made in future won't go over 70mph?" and be told "Sure, that's not hard, we can do that." They can then say "Cars get used as getaway vehicles in a lot of bank robberies. Can you make it so that cars made in future won't work when used by bank robberies?" and they'll get told "No, that would be impossible, and anything we tried would be either ineffective, prevent legitimate uses, or both."

    Most everyone knows enough about cars to understand why you get a different answer to those two questions. But somebody who's completely ignorant doesn't see any difference.

    So it goes with the internet. "Can you filter out emails that contain curse words?" gets a "Yes, easy", so the clueless think it should be no different when they ask "Can you filter out web content that has porn in it?"

    I've said before and I'll say again: It should be made mandatory that no politician can pass laws on any subject until they've proved a reasonable level of understanding of it.

    And if that makes life hard for them, good: It's about time they had to do something to justify their exhorbitantly high pay.

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