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NTSB Calls For Wireless Tech To Enable Vehicles To Talk To Each Other

Lucas123 writes "In the aftermath of a school bus accident last year, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) this week called for cars, trucks and buses to be equipped with machine-to-machine communications technology that could help vehicles avoid accidents by knowing what other vehicles are doing. In the bus accident, a Mack truck sped through an intersection slamming into the rear of the bus, killing one and injuring more than a dozen others. 'Systems such as connected vehicle technology could have provided an active warning to the school bus driver of the approaching truck as he began to cross the intersection,' the NTSB stated in its report. Among others, Intel is working with National Taiwan University on M2M technology that would allow vehicles the exchange of data, allowing each to know what's going on around them. 'We're even imagining that in the future cars would be able to ask other cars, "Hey, can I cut into your lane?" Then the other car would let you in,' said Jennifer Healey, a research scientist with Intel."

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  1. "Hey, can I cut into your lane?" by dtmos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'We're even imagining that in the future cars would be able to ask other cars, "Hey, can I cut into your lane?" Then the other car would let you in,' said Jennifer Healey, a research scientist with Intel.

    No cars that I know. The cars I know would speed up to tailgate the car in front of them, and then honk their horn in indignant aggression at the thought of someone trying to merge in front of them.

    1. Re:"Hey, can I cut into your lane?" by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No cars that I know. The cars I know would speed up to tailgate the car in front of them, and then honk their horn in indignant aggression at the thought of someone trying to merge in front of them.

      I think this illustrates the problem quite well. The NTSB is trying to create accident avoidance systems like those on commercial aircraft. What they're failing to understand is that you'll never get the average person to exhibit that level of professionalism or achieve that level of training. We do not have a culture of safety surrounding the use of motor vehicles, and without it, things like this will only wind up having motorists smash the little boxes to pieces the moment they try to keep someone from "cutting them off" while their car tries a "I'm sorry, I can't let you do that, Dave."

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    2. Re:"Hey, can I cut into your lane?" by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "We do not have a culture of safety surrounding the use of motor vehicles, and without it, things like this will only wind up having motorists smash the little boxes to pieces the moment they try to keep someone from "cutting them off" while their car tries a "I'm sorry, I can't let you do that, Dave."

      Well, I definitely disagree with you there... but I do agree that it's nowhere near the kind that (necessarily) surrounds airplanes.

      I don't particularly have a problem with this, except for 2 things:

      [A] It had better not turn into a universal tracking system. Yes, I know that is a logical extension but the answer is NO. No GUIDs. No identity or location tracking. Realtime only. Anything else is fraught with too many real dangers to freedom.

      [B] It is going to be a while before this is done in any kind of universal way. Because what will happen is exactly what happened with automobile "computers" in the first place: accidents will happen when vehicles try to prevent accidents, and the vehicles will be blamed. (And in some cases, probably correctly.) Then there will be a backlash and the idea will be tossed out for a few years. Then the technology will improve and it will slowly creep back in to common use.

      I don't necessarily have a problem with that, as long as [A] is observed. My biggest problem is with these pushes to implement technology that simply isn't ready for prime time, like they did with NFC. (Broken before it was even widely available. The only useful feature I see for it now is passing VCards between cell phones. I have NFC and I've never even turned it on... and I may never do so.)

    3. Re:"Hey, can I cut into your lane?" by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Funny

      [A] It had better not turn into a universal tracking system.

      Hello, OnStar? Someone here is getting uppity about their "civil rights"; Can you please turn on the microphone and GPS tracking, lock the doors, turn off the engine, while we sit here and listen to their futile screams? Sure, I'll hold.

      [B] It is going to be a while before this is done in any kind of universal way

      Well, while the government does have extreme difficulty, say, passing the Farm Act so that food stamps to the poor could continue to exist, because the republicans said the cuts didn't go far enough, and the democrats saying the cuts were going to far, leading to it dying immediately, not unlike both sides are hoping millions of poor people will, you can rest assured that when it comes to fucking you over a barrel with universal tracking, they got that shit covered.

      My biggest problem is with these pushes to implement technology that simply isn't ready for prime time, like they did with NFC. (Broken before it was even widely available. The only useful feature I see for it now is passing VCards between cell phones. I have NFC and I've never even turned it on... and I may never do so.)

      And I think, for anyone who regularly reads slashdot, and perhaps those set to attend DEFCON later where they'll discuss a remote wireless exploit that can, say, cause any car produced in the last five years to self-destruct with the driver inside of it, will find it totally unsurprising that technology not being ready for prime time is hardly an impediment to the rapid adoption of such technology. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go cloud my coffee maker, and then install my NSA-approved listening devices in all the rooms of my house, which they've cleverly labelled "Smoke Detectors".

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  2. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's why it won't work.

    1) It won't work on cars that aren't fitted with the devices
    2) Like hell are you going to retrofit the entire fleet with the devices

    Hey, you know what else is really good at avoiding collisions? Trains. Let's replace our highway system with railroad tracks!

    or, if you like

    1a) If this thing doesn't have a manual override, software bugs will kill thousands.
    1b) If this thing does have manual override, manual overrides will kill thousands.
    2) Nobody wants to write software that will kill thousands.

    And, last but not least
    "Why are all these modern cars so expensive? I'll just buy a used one instead"

  3. if an false positive comes up who is at fault? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if an false positive comes up who is at fault? and who will pay the bills while this working though the courts?

  4. hmmm... by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see... what are the first things we'll see this used for?
    1. Automated speeding tickets.
    2. Insurance company logging of all your activity as an excuse to jack your rates up.
    3. Data subpenaed in lawsuits.
    4. NSA will be all over it. Reporters will be plowing into palm trees all over the place.
    5. Highschool kids rip the devices out of cars in junkyards and drop them from freeway overpasses during a busy holiday for fun.
    6. Law enforcement can remotely turn off your car... a few months later criminals will have the same ability...

    It doesn't sound like a fair trade to me.

  5. First step on a long road by naff89 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it would be great to start equipping all motor vehicles with (well-designed, forwards-compatible) systems like this so that in 20-30 years when driverless cars are a viable option on the road, there's the infrastructure in place to support it.

  6. Why not just fix car design? by loony · · Score: 4, Informative

    I drove a 99 corolla until recently... After I got hit this January by a stoner, I got a 2013 corolla... The enhancements are awesome: I can no longer see cars in my blindspot by simply turning my head - they moved the side support forward by about an inch and a half... The mirrors are an annoying cut-off shape that means I can no longer see the car 2 lanes over in the lower corner of my mirror... For no apparent reason, they raised the plastic in front of the wind screen so I can no longer comfortably see the front of my vehicle when parking... They also raised the trunk lid to the point that the windscreen is substantially smaller and I have poor rear visibility... And my favorite, they moved the cup holders behind the gear shift rather than keeping it in front, so I can't properly shift anymore if I have anything larger than a can in my car... so I can either drive de-hydrated or keep the drink between my legs, both sounds really safe. Oh, and my favorite, they also put a lid on top of the center console storage space just in the right place that I hit my funny bone when shifting into 4th gear.

    So explain to me, why do I need to have a wireless car-to-car system if the manufacturer of the vehicle seems hell bent on making the vehicle as hard to drive as possible (they call it modern styling)? It adds to the cost of the car, increases the weight (my car, despite 8 more horses, is almost a second slower 0-60) and the end effect is questionable. There are so many cheaper and better ways to make cars safer...

    Peter.

  7. NTSB... by Anachragnome · · Score: 3, Interesting

    NO. As in, FUCK NO.

  8. and what about road users who aren't in cars? by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The NTSB also appears to not be considering that there are people on motorcycles, foot, and bicycle.

    That's particularly poor, given that motor vehicle occupant safety has gone up, while pedestrian and cyclist safety has plunged. Why? Cars are increasingly safe for occupants, yet nothing is being done to stop drivers from plowing into other people.

    All the safety has simply made people less careful. Why should they be careful? They're unlikely to be seriously injured, insurance will cover the damage and injuries, and they sure as hell aren't going to get charged with any crimes.

    You can drive into a storefront and injure half a dozen people and not even get a ticket.

    Kill a cyclist and the police will term it an "accident" - all you have to do is say the sun was in your eyes or you were changing the radio station. A little girl in Texas lost both her parents because a guy in a pickup truck slammed into her parents. His excuse: he'd looked down to change the station (and somehow drifted several feet onto the road shoulder.)