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Norwegian Town Using Sun-Tracking Mirrors To Light Up Dark Winter Days

oritonic1 writes "During their long, cold winters, the Norwegian town of Rjukan doesn't enjoy much by way of daylight—so the town (population 3,386), installed three giant sun-tracking mirrors to shine a steady light over a 2000 square foot circle of the town square. From Popular Mechanics: 'Call it a mood enhancer. Or a tourist attraction. But the mirrors, which will be carried in via helicopter, will provide an oasis of light in an otherwise bleak location at the center of the 3500-population town. Three mirrors with a total surface area of about 538 square feet will sit at an angle to redirect winter sun down into the town, lighting up over 2150 square feet of concentrated space in the town square. A similar idea exists in the Italian village of Viganella, which has used brushed steel to reflect light since 2006.'"

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  1. It didn't work out well by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Informative

    It didn't work out well in Lord Parker's 'Oliday.

    1. Re:It didn't work out well by necro81 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I just don't get it! So in winter this town is in almost perpetual night? So what the fuck are these mirrors going to reflect moonlight???

      Switch to decaf and chill out. The town is not in perpetual night. At about 60 degrees north latitude, that's impossible. However, because it is situated in a deep valley that runs east-west, it is in the shadow of the surrounding mountains for five months out of the year.

      (This I was able to find out with about 30 seconds' research - about as long as it took for you to dismiss these people as idiots and write your short-sighted post.)

    2. Re:It didn't work out well by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The city planners should have thought about this before deciding to put the town there.

      I can vividly see you confronting the city planners and getting dismissed not only with a nice REJECTED rubber stamp in runic script stamped on your petition, but also with a nice complimentary blood eagle.

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    3. Re:It didn't work out well by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The city planners should have thought about this before deciding to put the town there.

      Do you know how most cities got sited? Availability of water, good harbors (very important historically), workable land and other needed resources.

      There is almost never a set of city planners that sit down and weigh all the pros and cons of a location ... they just tend to initially happen as people find what they need and start laying down roots.

      If you live in the North, you take what you can get. These guys are just trying to improve a little on that.

      Washington DC used to be a malarial swamp and New Orleans is apparently below sea level. Did the city planners do a piss-poor job? Or were there other features that made it desirable?

      Nobody comes along and says "we're going to build a thriving city here" -- well, China has apparently done it, and they're empty. I suspect most cities started in a much more random and organic manner.

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    4. Re:It didn't work out well by mdielmann · · Score: 2

      The city planners should have thought about this before deciding to put the town there.

      Do you know how most cities got sited? Availability of water, good harbors (very important historically), workable land and other needed resources.

      There is almost never a set of city planners that sit down and weigh all the pros and cons of a location ... they just tend to initially happen as people find what they need and start laying down roots.

      If you live in the North, you take what you can get. These guys are just trying to improve a little on that.

      Washington DC used to be a malarial swamp and New Orleans is apparently below sea level. Did the city planners do a piss-poor job? Or were there other features that made it desirable?

      Nobody comes along and says "we're going to build a thriving city here" -- well, China has apparently done it, and they're empty. I suspect most cities started in a much more random and organic manner.

      This doesn't mean decisions weren't made based on the viability of a given location. If you think about it, the very definition of a thriving city is a location where a large number of people have thought it was worth living there. "Planned cities" are places where a few people thought it was worth living there, and the data tends to show they were wrong.

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  2. I am glad I don't have to do this... by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...I live along the equator where our days and nights ar "equal" throughout the year.

    Trouble is that most Europeans I have met on my travels think it's hot hot hot at the equator, which isn't the case. In fact, their summers, which are responsible for some deaths among the elderly and young ones, are way hotter than the hottest day at home.

    When I say this, they won't believe it until I remind them that we are at a higher elevation which is cooler...just like the clouds.

    1. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...I live along the equator where our days and nights ar "equal" throughout the year.

      I am glad to live in a place (Central Europe) where there are seasons, and not the same thing all over the year.

    2. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Rjukan isn't all that far to the North, but it's located in a deep valley, with mountains on every side. When the sun gets low in the Winter, the town is in constant shade.

    3. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am glad to live in a place (Central Europe) where there are seasons, and not the same thing all over the year.

      As someone who spent the first 20 years of his life in an area without significant seasonal changes and the next 20 years in areas with major seasonal changes I can definitely say that seasons are vastly overrated.

      Having near perfect weather every day is about the least horrible curse I can think of.

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    4. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by RivenAleem · · Score: 5, Funny

      As someone living in Ireland, I can tell you the lack of seasons isn't restricted to the equatorial areas.

    5. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by Arrepiadd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who spent the first 20 years of his life in an area without significant seasonal changes and the next 20 years in areas with major seasonal changes I can definitely say that seasons are vastly overrated.

      Having near perfect weather every day is about the least horrible curse I can think of.

      Except that being next to equator does not guarantee "near perfect weather". Plenty of friends from places close to equator just say "back home we carried an umbrella every day even if it only rained once a week, because when it did it was pouring really hard.

      And to further counter your example, the more artistic oriented among those friends, even after years of being in a place with significant seasonal changes really appreciate contrast of green summer bursting with activity and people vs the white winter of cold and quiet. Different people for different things, I guess.

    6. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by DrXym · · Score: 2

      Well Ireland did have a summer for once this year although it's pissing it down at this moment.

    7. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by txibi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having near perfect weather every day is about the least horrible curse I can think of.

      It depends on what you understand by nearly perfect weather. The nearly perfect weather to practice ski is not the same one that you need for swimming in the sea... For this I like having seasons on where I live and being able to practice different sports depending on the season.

    8. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      As someone living in my parents basement, I can tell you the lack of seasons isn't restricted to the equatorial areas.

    9. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by dkf · · Score: 2

      Rjukan isn't all that far to the North

      While it's not that far north for Norway (where it's in the south of the country), it's still nearly 60N. In any reasonable terms, that's still a long way north; you have to go pretty much to the Antarctic peninsula to get an equivalent distance south. Heck, the axial diameter that far north is only half that of the equator...

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    10. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Consistancy is key.

      Here in the southern UK, it snows sometimes. Not a lot. Maybe for a week, no more, and only every two years - often we go a winter with no snow at all, or just a very light dusting.

      When it does snow, everything stops. Roads are impassible, schools close, almost total shutdown of the country. Why? Because we don't keep an army of ploughs and gritters and a big stockpile of salt around for something that happens so rarely and is over so quickly.

      Likewise with very hot summers. The crushing heat can reach thirty celcius. In somewhere like the southern US they'd laugh at that - but in those places, everyone is used to it, with buildings made to stay cool and every home fitted with air-con. We melt for about a week a year, so we just endure - the awkwardness is over too soon to justify building houses that stay cool (And thus cost a lot more to heat in winter) or installing expensive aircon systems.

    11. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by dj245 · · Score: 4, Informative

      We melt for about a week a year, so we just endure - the awkwardness is over too soon to justify building houses that stay cool (And thus cost a lot more to heat in winter) .....

      Buildings that stay cool in summer and are warm in winter are not mutually exclusive. Presenting them as conflicting design goals is silly considering that these design goals are often complementary.

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    12. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by jittles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As someone who spent the first 20 years of his life in an area without significant seasonal changes and the next 20 years in areas with major seasonal changes I can definitely say that seasons are vastly overrated.

      Having near perfect weather every day is about the least horrible curse I can think of.

      Except that being next to equator does not guarantee "near perfect weather". Plenty of friends from places close to equator just say "back home we carried an umbrella every day even if it only rained once a week, because when it did it was pouring really hard.

      Huh. I didn't know people in tropical areas bothered with umbrellas. I lived about 10 degrees north of the equator for a year. Yeah it rained like hell, and an umbrella was useless. Either the rain would come in sideways, or come in so hard and so fast you had to worry more about the water coming up than the water going down. I've seen rocks about half the size of a bowling ball being carried down the gutters along with lawn chairs and everything else you can imagine during an especially strong rain. But contrary to popular belief, most tropical areas do have two seasons: the wet season and the dry season. Where I lived, it rained almost every day for hours on end during the wet season. During the dry season, it may rain for 10 minutes each day, or may not rain for several days.

    13. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by jbengt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The crushing heat can reach thirty celcius. In somewhere like the southern US they'd laugh at that

      30C (86F) is stifling heat? We laugh at that in the Northern US. True, it would be a little uncomfortable indoors without A/C or at least good ventilation, but you would have to start talking at least 35C or maybe 40C before making US southerners uncomfortable outside. (OK, you'd have to talk 95F to 104F, since they would mostly just look at you funny and wonder what planet you're from if you talk Celsius.)

    14. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Any ideas on why we are reading about Norwegians tracking the sun when the following article now sits on the third page of the submissions Firehose?

      "NSA Still Funded to Spy On US Phone Records,Vote Fails

      Yes, there are several things tied into that. You read and post on stories on the main page, not stories in the submission queue. Even if that story was on the front page, I would still be reading and posting in this story because it interests me as it does the other people reading and posting in this story. Not every story has to be about the NSA. You also seem to overlook the fact that many Europeans and citizens of other countries would have limited interest in votes for purely domestic American policy as that vote was. There had already been a story on the vote two days ago when it could still have influence. The information in the story you refer to was incomplete, as I recall, and the vote was over so the story couldn't influence events anyway. The defense bill is on its way to the Senate. There will have to be a separate bill and lobbying performed to get the amendment passed on its own merits as a bill.

      Based on your UID I know you aren't new here, so you know how things work. Could there be another reason why this baffles you?

      Oh, that's right, you think the staff are NSA plants, and me as well, as you make clear repeatedly (just 1 more of many for demonstration and brevity).

      I hope you get a grip at some point. Now, can we get back to this interesting story with no further outbursts from you about the NSA or "forum breakers" and forum spies? Please?

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    15. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by geirlk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget to factor in the warmth of the Gulf stream. It is what makes Norway liveable, even though we're so far north.

    16. Re:I am glad I don't have to do this... by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here in Finland, official "hot" figure for weather is at 27C. And yes, when it's 27C, it's exhausting hot.

      On the other hand, -27C is nice weather to go out and ski/skate. And most buildings do not have A/C because there's no real reason to - the season during which you would need it lasts days if it ever comes at all.

  3. Metric please ! by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... a 2000 square foot circle of the town square ... ... about 538 square feet ... up over 2150 square fee

    This is slashdot science ?

    Besides, the slashdot summary is ambigous : it mentions a population of 3,386, but in which unit ? Number of legs ?

    1. Re:Metric please ! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Number of legs?

      No, number of feet, of course.

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    2. Re:Metric please ! by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imperial feet or metric feet?

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    3. Re:Metric please ! by PPalmgren · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A scientist or engineer that can't handle common unit conversions is an unemployed scientist or engineer.

      The article is from a US website intended for a US audience, and uses US measurements. I don't expect a news aggregator to do extra work because you're lazy.

    4. Re:Metric please ! by kwbauer · · Score: 2

      Typical lazy-ass European complaining about Americans not doing the work for them.

      Why is it that not many Americans on here complain about articles that use metric units? Probably because we are actually nerds that can do math instead of lazy-ass wannabees.

  4. Re:Why not a balloon by Sique · · Score: 2

    Because a balloon would not direct much of the light into the town, but basicly everywhere. Sun light is (nearly) parallel, and to reflect it into a town, you need a plane reflector. Only a small part of the balloon's surface would reflect the light into the desired direction.

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  5. Re:Sam Kinison said it kinda first; but here's min by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people might think it a curse. To them it is home.

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  6. Fun facts about Rjukan... by Tore+S+B · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rjukan is also the site of the museum of industrial labour, which is located in Vemork. In addition to being a very early heavy water plant which was sabotaged by the Resistance during the second world war to hinder the Nazi nuclear bomb project, it also currently hosts an exhibit of what is probably the world's only remaining Univac 1108 mainframe.

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  7. Re:Look on bright side Norwayians by Tore+S+B · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't say that - we love the Norwegian summer. I think most people feel it's the best day of the whole dang year!

    (for those who might not have picked up on it: this is largely a joke.)

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  8. Rattenberg by methano · · Score: 2

    They did this same kind of mirror thing in Rattenberg, Austria a few years back.

  9. Awesome. by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2

    Now we could hack into the controller and reprogram it to direct the sun to a single point and voila! Instant death ray. Might help with the tourist problem.

  10. What's the equivalent in watts? by hawguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How does this mirror compare to installing full spectrum lamps to light up the same 2000 sq ft area? Lights could provide extended "days" during the winter months, and could be solar powered from the same mountaintop that houses the mirrors when the sun is out.

  11. Re:all that to light a 40x50 space? by necro81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why not just do this the old fashioned, non-expensive, non-boondogle way

    The article states that the project cost is only about $850k, mostly provided by private donations. The tracking motors will be solar-powered. So, for a modest outlay of capital today, they get ample, high-quality, non-polluting light for next to nothing for the life of the system. Any idea what a stadium lighting system costs? How about the cost of electricity and replacement bulbs to keep it operating for 8-16 hours a day, five months out of the year, for decades? Mirrors on a heliostat is not a boondogle, it's proven technology. And, in this case, probably cheaper than the alternative.

  12. Re:Couldn't the same setup be used by zennyboy · · Score: 2
  13. Re:all that to light a 40x50 space? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

    What part of "Tourism's an important part of the local economy" was so difficult to understand?

    That being the case, people are already visiting the town. In fact, if you could have been bothered to just search some info about this particular town, you'd know that the tourists visited that area for a few centuries, actually before the town even existed, because of the beautiful nature. Besides, the town belongs to the Telemark community, and Telemark basically stands for winter sports.

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  14. Re:Couldn't the same setup be used by geirlk · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059263/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vemork

    Some trivia:

    The Vemork factory was placed exactly there because of the optimal conditions for producing hydroelectric power.

    It started out fixing nitrogen for fertilizer, but later on was converted to produce heavy water. This is what Hitler needed for the production of a nazi A-bomb.

    Both nitrogen fixing and production of heavy water is extremely power consuming.

    The factory (and Rjukan city itself) lies so deep within the valley, the Allies considered it near impossible to bomb. They tried, once. The production was considered so important the Allies tried 4 sabotage operations against it.The most famous one, Operation Gunnerside, was made as a film, starring Kirk Douglas: The Heroes of Telemark.

    PS: Sorry about the links on top, using a shitty mobile browser.

  15. Not going to look anything like the simulation... by Thagg · · Score: 2

    If the mountain is a 2km away the reflection from the mirror is going to be very broad indeed. The sun is a half-degree across, and half-degree times 2km means that the edges of the mirror beam will be about 20 meters wide, nice soft edges and not the harsh ellipse shown. The ends of the ellipse will have edges more like 100 meters wide.

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  16. Was I the only one ... by RaccoonBandit · · Score: 2

    ... who thought, after reading the title, that they were going to put mirrors into space? Giant mirrors in geostationary orbit focussing the light onto a small Norwegian town? Now that would be a tourist attraction.