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Judge Denies Administration Request To Delay ACLU Metadata Lawsuit
sl4shd0rk writes "Federal Judge William Pauley has dismissed an Obama Administration request to delay a hearing on Verizon/NSA data sifting. The ACLU has argued that the sifting is not authorized by statute and even if it were it would still be unconstitutional. The Obama Administration requested the delay on the grounds it needed more time to search through its classified material to determine what was suitable for disclosure."
See also the case docket. Motions must be filed by August 26th, and oral arguments begin on November 1st.
'Murica!
this first fucking post
First Post for Jesus! Let Him into your heart, Slashdotters.
WWJD
that we renditioned the court. USA USA USA
In hot water for all that monitoring of my veeblefetzers, potrzebies and axolotls.
It's a great day for antidisestablishmentarianism and neoanarchalsocialrepublicanists.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Now if we could just get the wheels of justice to turn quicker on this one. Every day this is delayed is potentially one more day before this nonsense is put to an end.
Though realistically, the NSA will keep doing it and just try harder to hide it. It's quite clear they operate outside of any actual level of control.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
Unless it's Dick Cheney's.
I mean, it's got to be Republican's fault that Detroit went bankrupt, right? Even though no Republican has held office in that city for half a fucking century.
Ergo, since Boooosh! and Cheney were still in office less than five years ago, everything bad that happens to Obama must be their fault, right?
to weave a web of lies that can't be demolished beyond reasonable doubt in the time frame of a court case.
Of course, it becomes easier when you can claim secrecy whenever the questions run close to a hole in the fabrication.
Let's all pray to the FSM for this judges' health, lest he come down with a terminal case of Hastings.
Should be "its" rather than "it's" in the summary.
Motions must be filed by August 26th, and oral arguments begin on November 1st.
*CLANG* *CLANG* LET'S GET IT ON!
Government has to get a warrant in an OPEN COURT. It has to describe SPECIFICALLY the person or things to be searched and seized. Government has no rights, the People have ALL rights. Government has no more authority to collect everyone's e-mails than it does to send a black van down each street, pull the mail from everyone's mailbox and photocopy it...
I don't see any "Because TERRORISTS!", or "Because Someone doesn't like Obama" exceptions in there, do you?
Corporatism != Free Market
For a typical posting on Slashdot, thats pretty good!
In hot water for all that monitoring of my veeblefetzers, potrzebies and axolotls.
It's a great day for antidisestablishmentarianism and neoanarchalsocialrepublicanists.
Okay, I was aware of "axolotl", but veeblefetzers and potrzebies surprised me. Wikipedia pages and all!
You can even ask google to convert "1 potrzebie" to metric.
+1 internets to you, sir!
(This is going into my WTF? that's real? list, alongside "Legends of Nascar" commemorative plates.)
Wait, you mean it's not so we can go hunting?
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
To be fair, I'm not sure this federal judge could have made any other ruling, knowing as he does that there is a secret court, with members chosen in secret by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and who do not have to face congressional approval, and that this secret court, which meets in secret in a $2.5billion dollar complex built UNDER the "visitor's center" in Washington DC, and whose power supersedes that of the actual Supreme Court, or Congress, or the President, and that that secret super-Court can probably (and probably have) just throw out his decision anyway if they don't like it.
The time for legal challenges to the police state passed about seven years ago. I'm pretty sure that at this point, the only way to stop this police state is the way police states usually get stopped, which has nothing to do with legal challenges.
You are welcome on my lawn.
If it ends up being the case that what they are doing is unconstitutional and illegal they don't deserve the right to keep it classified as it is engaging in illegal activity. Tired of reading the headlines daily and seeing stuff going on that if the average citizen took part in would land them in prison the rest of their days. Still to be determined if that is the case however but it seems pretty obvious.
ITS classified material.
The only reason a judge would rule against the administration is because of racism.
go of the minut
There'll be "no open bid" appointed contracts 4 Halliburton to put turbo chargers on 'em + NOS kits (lmao) and? Yes, @ 100x their true cost to taxpayers to boot - you know, to "get the job done right" (meaning kickbacks to the politicians appointing the "good ole' boys" from Halliburton too while firing workers nationwide with downsizing & giving CEO's of their billionaire boys club backers BILLION DOLLAR bonuses bigger than entire companies' payrolls, topped off with some union busting, offshoring/outsourcing too with H1B VISAS to drive down possible local internal to US wages, along with tax breaks by placing 'corporate offices' (closets with a nameplate logo on them) offshore to avoid the taxes as usual whilst we as the citizenry take up the slack in our taxes vs. the corporate taxbase so the 1%'ers puppet masters get richer, including their wealthy puppet politicians too (when they don't like the rules since they cut into our profits? Hell, have a 'secret KANGAROO court' with our 'the best politicians money can really buy' pals, & just change 'em! Why? Because we CAN!)). What was Obama's campaign slogan again? Ah yes - "Yes, we (s)can (all your electronic communique, but not the NSA's!)". Yes... we SCAN!
Does anyone know who owns Verizon?
Does anyone know who owns AT&T?
Does anyone know if the same entity owns Verizon and AT&T?
Well said, here's a couple of pennies.
The elephants and the donkeys are different on many minor issues (abortion, gay marriage - No offense to those concerned about such topics - I'm pro for both,the debate is a control mechanism. They are minor compared to what comes next). They differ a bit on some important issues such as immigration and energy.
But, when it comes to major issues such as overall economy, the financial industry, and the military-industrial complex, they are the same. And that is where it matters, . Both parties support more debt, bail out banks (too big to fail the rich...), let the Fed run amok with trillions to spend, and both parties are pro-war (wars support a lot of jobs),
The major issues are the ones that matter. Most everything else results in an ethical argument, such topics are immune from true debate and are subject to the Supreme Court Members.
The Amash amendement vote to defund NSA domestic phone spying was very interesting. 54% of the voting Democrats voted for it, even though Obama was adamant about failing it. 62% of republicans voted against it. I had lunch with a Constitutional scholar friend of mine the day after the vote, he said the Republicans should have supported it, they are the party most in distress (all thanks to Bush 2). That the Democrats would turn against the President on the topic is amazing, if they had had Republican support they would have had veto level power. And seriously, is the President going to veto a DOD appropriations bill (nope).
If the Republicans had shown some backbone there's a good chance actual progress regarding our rights could occur.
I hope other members of the US government will be emboldened by the vote results and submit more divisive privacy amendments and bills.
Think about it. The new political parties would be Pro-Privacy/Liberty against Spying Incorporated. The other issues melt away.
Please let this continue, and thank goodness for Snowden, this debate would have never occurred without his information releases. And get involved, this is a moment where actual change could occur.
Who the FUCK will vote for someone who is willing to constantly spy on him/her? SHEEP (party members, the one eyed man is running)!!!! And in that world, I would be a vegetarian wolf... .
BlameBillCosby.com
EXACTLY! The parties only want one thing -- power. So they pick these issues that wouldn't give them any real additional power either way, take opposite sides on those, frame that as the entire debate, and throw us all in prison while we're not looking.
I just don't understand why we don't execute politicians and higher ups like we used to do over a hundred years ago? I mean that was the beauty behind revolutions back then. Drag them out kicking and screaming to the public square hang or behead them to show a clear-cut message to the rest of them out there.
Thanks judge person. America owes you a solid.
It is not cool that the Obama administration seeks to NOT have this conversation in public and with the public. This is a completely necessary conversation to have so we can all come to an agreement through the ancient device shared of understanding , which is pretty much the way free societies are held together .
It bothers me that a scholar of the Constitution , a highly intelligent guy and someone who additionally had the advantage of access to the best university, the best professors, the best curricula in the most developed nation at the most enlightened time in history doesn't get this and act upon it.
I understood when Bush was in office because what do you expect from an alcoholic guy who basically fell upwards his entire life and arrived at what age 50? with such poorly developed acumen of other people's character that he selected a sociopath for VP.
But with Obama it's clearly a case of to whom much is given, much is expected and he's failing by that measure far worse than Bush.
Where does that leave us in terms of hope for the future? It seems like these guys get into office and the financial gurus/charlatans like Greenspan and the operators in the establishment organizations like the CIA and the NSA are more than a match for them in terms of overwhelming them with specialized knowledge in domains the President is basically ignorant of. They have such a well developed - if inaccurate- POV that the President can't counter it and is basically led to say "OK, whatever you specialist think is best....". What else are you going to say when very large and complex systems you only have a layman's understanding of like the world economy or the details of national security are going to blow the fuck up if you decide wrongly?
Kennedy was the last President to call bullshit on this kind of coup via ready-made vision. It's up to the President to have at the ready , should he /she be elected, people whose broad judgement he or she trusts. El Prez needs to have selected these people either through reading their published works or through personal acquaintance or some other long running process going into the office. I am saying that as soon as they conceive of the idea of being El Prez in their imagination at age 25 or whatever, this should be a major preoccupation for them from that point forward.
What seems to happen is they look to people in government for advice at something like the last minute, as if their victory took them completely by surprise and they've got to do some hiring ! That just leads to insiders recommending insiders in what amounts to, as far as we or anyone else including the President knows, the latest iteration in a long played game of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
You cant' know everything; you have to outsource some part of your judgement, or at least you have to outsource some part of your bullshit detection subsystem.
Hard believe the transformation of Obama's POV since he's gotten into office. I guess it takes a Clinton-like character, someone who's *down*, or a Kennedy, someone who's not intimidated by the office , someone who either through self assurance or arrogance or hopefully properly placed faith in the rightness of her perceptions or what have you to be able to resist the Ready-Made Interpretation of Everything that's lying in wait for you like a cougar, the second you sit your ass down in the Oval Office.