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Judge Denies Administration Request To Delay ACLU Metadata Lawsuit
sl4shd0rk writes "Federal Judge William Pauley has dismissed an Obama Administration request to delay a hearing on Verizon/NSA data sifting. The ACLU has argued that the sifting is not authorized by statute and even if it were it would still be unconstitutional. The Obama Administration requested the delay on the grounds it needed more time to search through its classified material to determine what was suitable for disclosure."
See also the case docket. Motions must be filed by August 26th, and oral arguments begin on November 1st.
In hot water for all that monitoring of my veeblefetzers, potrzebies and axolotls.
It's a great day for antidisestablishmentarianism and neoanarchalsocialrepublicanists.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Now if we could just get the wheels of justice to turn quicker on this one. Every day this is delayed is potentially one more day before this nonsense is put to an end.
Though realistically, the NSA will keep doing it and just try harder to hide it. It's quite clear they operate outside of any actual level of control.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
to weave a web of lies that can't be demolished beyond reasonable doubt in the time frame of a court case.
Of course, it becomes easier when you can claim secrecy whenever the questions run close to a hole in the fabrication.
Let's all pray to the FSM for this judges' health, lest he come down with a terminal case of Hastings.
Lazy. Obama's not blameless. But all evidence at this point suggests he was following the terrible law as terribly written. Bush specifically did the same thing circumventing courts and warrants entirely, though the ACLU "lacked standing" to take him to court about it. Obama promised an end to warrant-less domestic wiretaps when he ran in 2008. That's what we got. I'm pretty much on the ACLU's side about most legal questions, and Obama hasn't been.
Government has to get a warrant in an OPEN COURT. It has to describe SPECIFICALLY the person or things to be searched and seized. Government has no rights, the People have ALL rights. Government has no more authority to collect everyone's e-mails than it does to send a black van down each street, pull the mail from everyone's mailbox and photocopy it...
I don't see any "Because TERRORISTS!", or "Because Someone doesn't like Obama" exceptions in there, do you?
Corporatism != Free Market
Lazy. Obama's not blameless. But all evidence at this point suggests he was following the terrible law as terribly written. Bush specifically did the same thing circumventing courts and warrants entirely, though the ACLU "lacked standing" to take him to court about it. Obama promised an end to warrant-less domestic wiretaps when he ran in 2008. That's what we got. I'm pretty much on the ACLU's side about most legal questions, and Obama hasn't been.
BULLSHIT
Obama has NO problem violating the law when he wants to.
Delay implementing Obamacare despite what the law says? No problem.
Stop deporting illegal aliens despite what the law says? No problem.
Continue monitoring US citizens despite Candidate Obama calling it "unconstitutional"? No problem.
Keep Gitmo open despite Candidate Obama calling it "unconstitutional"? No problem.
Law? Yeah. Obama cares so fucking much about the law he conducts "extrajudicial killings" of US citizens.
Don't post crap that Obama's just following the law when it's obvious the law means NOTHING to Obama. You just want to excuse Obama for doing things you probably excoriated Bush for.
Double standard much?
Wow... fanboy much? If either of you still think there's any difference between Obama and Bush then YOU are the problem. Stop voting Democrat/Republican. They are the same party at this point.
In hot water for all that monitoring of my veeblefetzers, potrzebies and axolotls.
It's a great day for antidisestablishmentarianism and neoanarchalsocialrepublicanists.
Okay, I was aware of "axolotl", but veeblefetzers and potrzebies surprised me. Wikipedia pages and all!
You can even ask google to convert "1 potrzebie" to metric.
+1 internets to you, sir!
(This is going into my WTF? that's real? list, alongside "Legends of Nascar" commemorative plates.)
Both Donald Knuth and I are massive fans of the old Mad Magazine. This seems to be a Potrzebie Friday, if ever there was one. I'm building an inventory system and test data are Veeblefetzers, Potrzebies and Axolotls. For further research I may have to fish out my copy of Gasoline Valley.
This is all rather off-topic, but the spirit of the OP was to obfuscate in event anyone is (ha!) monitoring us.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
It's true that the vast majority of people that lived in ancient times lived and died in obscurity.
It's not true, however, that the Jesus of the fables was just another regular Joe that we would expect no one outside of his circle of followers to have taken notice of. Plenty of people that would have been less famous even then were nonetheless mentioned in some surviving document written by a contemporary. It seems awfully strange that a man who did signs and wonders, who astounded and confounded the wise and powerful, who fed multitudes in a miraculous fashion and so forth and so on, wouldnt show up as such in the historial record until roughly a century after his death.
By itself this is not conclusive either way, but it certainly doesnt strengthen the case for a historical Jesus. Not by itself.
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Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
No, the second amendment does not secure your right to hunt ducks or deer.
It does secure your right to hunt congressmen should there be an open season for them.
I think the 2A should secure a perimeter around the Capitol Visitor Center long enough for a few dozen cement trucks to dump their cement down the secret elevator and ventilation shafts going down to the classified FISA court facilities located under the Capitol Visitor Center and persist until the bubbles stop. Rinse & repeat for NSA domestic data storage facilities.
Publicly posting all available personal data of judges and their families that serve on the FISA court might also serve to reverse this STASI-like system of secret courts and secret laws. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Let's see how they like having the intimate details of their and their families' lives exposed.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
If only that would work. Unfortunately, when you show people in power that they're vulnerable too, they don't see the light and act for change -- they double-down. They decide that such acts are evidence that they need even more power.
We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex—but Congress can. – Cullen Hightower
Thanks judge person. America owes you a solid.
It is not cool that the Obama administration seeks to NOT have this conversation in public and with the public. This is a completely necessary conversation to have so we can all come to an agreement through the ancient device shared of understanding , which is pretty much the way free societies are held together .
It bothers me that a scholar of the Constitution , a highly intelligent guy and someone who additionally had the advantage of access to the best university, the best professors, the best curricula in the most developed nation at the most enlightened time in history doesn't get this and act upon it.
I understood when Bush was in office because what do you expect from an alcoholic guy who basically fell upwards his entire life and arrived at what age 50? with such poorly developed acumen of other people's character that he selected a sociopath for VP.
But with Obama it's clearly a case of to whom much is given, much is expected and he's failing by that measure far worse than Bush.
Where does that leave us in terms of hope for the future? It seems like these guys get into office and the financial gurus/charlatans like Greenspan and the operators in the establishment organizations like the CIA and the NSA are more than a match for them in terms of overwhelming them with specialized knowledge in domains the President is basically ignorant of. They have such a well developed - if inaccurate- POV that the President can't counter it and is basically led to say "OK, whatever you specialist think is best....". What else are you going to say when very large and complex systems you only have a layman's understanding of like the world economy or the details of national security are going to blow the fuck up if you decide wrongly?
Kennedy was the last President to call bullshit on this kind of coup via ready-made vision. It's up to the President to have at the ready , should he /she be elected, people whose broad judgement he or she trusts. El Prez needs to have selected these people either through reading their published works or through personal acquaintance or some other long running process going into the office. I am saying that as soon as they conceive of the idea of being El Prez in their imagination at age 25 or whatever, this should be a major preoccupation for them from that point forward.
What seems to happen is they look to people in government for advice at something like the last minute, as if their victory took them completely by surprise and they've got to do some hiring ! That just leads to insiders recommending insiders in what amounts to, as far as we or anyone else including the President knows, the latest iteration in a long played game of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
You cant' know everything; you have to outsource some part of your judgement, or at least you have to outsource some part of your bullshit detection subsystem.
Hard believe the transformation of Obama's POV since he's gotten into office. I guess it takes a Clinton-like character, someone who's *down*, or a Kennedy, someone who's not intimidated by the office , someone who either through self assurance or arrogance or hopefully properly placed faith in the rightness of her perceptions or what have you to be able to resist the Ready-Made Interpretation of Everything that's lying in wait for you like a cougar, the second you sit your ass down in the Oval Office.