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Every Public School Student In LA Will Get an iPad In 2014

Jeremiah Cornelius writes "After signing a $30 million iPad deal with Apple in June, the Los Angeles School Board of Education has revealed the full extent of the program that will provide tablets to all students in the district. CiteWorld reports that the first phase of the program will see pupils receive 31,000 iPads this school year, rising to 640,000 Apple tablets by the end of 2014. Apple previously announced that the initiative would include 47 campuses and commence in the fall." Certain companies (not just Apple) stand to benefit from this kind of outlay.

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  1. That's not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every student in LA Public schools gets a good education. Now that would be news.

    1. Re:That's not news by FunkyLich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. Stuffing technology in schools in this manner has no impact on education. Facts actually sugest that pencil&paper and and show exact solution with answer lead to better brains than smart expensive pads which react to touch and simplify radiobutton selection options.

    2. Re:That's not news by notanalien_justgreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just think - with a class size of ~31, that's 1000 classes and teachers. If you spread that $30M over 1000 teachers you'd get about a $30k bump per teacher. Imagine recruiting teachers at $70k/year instead of $40k/year. I'm guessing you'd get a much better teacher, and thus a much better education for your kids. These constant stories of dumping technology onto kids never end with any positive results it's just sad. It's especially sad here because iPads are devices meant to consume, not to create. What a waste of taxpayer money.

    3. Re:That's not news by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Silly goose. What teacher would pay my kickback?

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    4. Re:That's not news by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FWIW I am close to a school district in California that is considering this iPad giveaway. I asked a person in charge why they are doing it (especially when they've been low on cash for a while), and the answer was that they couldn't just give the money to the teachers because of regulations that dictate how school money must be spent. So that's what they were doing.

      Doesn't make it any better, just explains why it happens.

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    5. Re:That's not news by pspahn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I get the point, really I do, but I don't think simply raising their pay is the answer, not to mention the economics of your suggestion are way off target.

      LA Unified had over 27,000 teachers in 2012, quite a bit higher than the 1000 you suggest. Also, the average teacher pay in the district for 2012 was $66,000/year.

      I do agree that you will get some improvement in quality of teachers if you started paying them more, but I don't think it will be significant. Education majors already have some of the worst SAT scores. Simply offering to pay them more isn't going to improve that much as you still have the very real issue of people simply not wanting to be teachers because it is a terrible job. You do have people who actually love teaching, but those folks are incredibly rare, and rarer still are those who love teaching and are good at their job.

      You'd do more to improve the quality of public school education by making the job itself more attractive, not the pay. There are too many teachers burning out early in their careers which says a lot more about the job's environment than it does the compensation. I know that the main reason I quit working in education wasn't because the pay was shit, the main reason was because administrators often are too out of touch with the modern classroom that the students have no desire to learn, and the teacher ends up being nothing more than a baby sitter for 8 hours.

      Class rooms are broken. Fix them and you will find more student engagement, which will improve the teachers' morale, which will result in a better education. Now, a snazzy piece of tech in each kids' hands might be a move in the right direction, but it just screams of a band-aid fix when instead it should be introduced as part of a comprehensive overhaul of the entire system.

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    6. Re:That's not news by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've got no horse in the public education race, as my two kids go to a very exclusive private school with a teacher to student ratio of 1:1 and a total student body of two. That being said, I think the single best thing that public schools could do is give teachers the right to expel students from their classroom and schools to expel students from the school. The bar for this should be extremely low.

      Teachers would be happier. Students that wanted to learn would be able to, and parents would be forced to take a more active roll in raising their own children.

    7. Re:That's not news by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the $30 million is for the first 31,000 only

      Wow, $968 per tablet, what a great deal. Only four times more than retail for the higher specced Nexus 7. This in a city where kids are regularly sent home for "short days" to save salary.

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    8. Re:That's not news by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does that higher spec'ed Nexus 7 include all of the Pearson curriculum and electronic textbooks that the iPads are coming with?

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    9. Re:That's not news by rossz · · Score: 3, Informative

      The average teacher salary in the Los Angeles Unified School District is $63,000, plus excellent benefits and job security that makes it near impossible to get fired. And they don't work the entire year.

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    10. Re:That's not news by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention the only one that will be getting squat out of this long term will be Apple, the iPads themselves will end up stolen, on eBay, or in a junk drawer somewhere with a dead battery. I have seen it before with a local private school demanding all the students get laptops, the laptops ended up being used more for time wasting than schoolwork, teachers began banning them from class because the students were watching stupid cat videos instead of working, the whole thing turned out to be a waste to everyone but the ones selling the hardware.

      as a geek i naturally love tech but this fad of trying to fix education with tech? Just not gonna work. What you need is good teachers, involvement from the parents in the lives of the kids, and kids that actually want to be there and learn. None of that can come in a box, I don't care if it comes from Cupertino or not.

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    11. Re:That's not news by jsepeta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      how important is it to teach 30 children to read, write, and perform mathematics? will that yield $70k worth of economic productivity throughout the child's life? well, possibly $500k-$1m worth of positive impact. that's probably worth $70k/year. it's more valuable than hitting your sports balls.

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    12. Re:That's not news by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Class size has one of the largest impacts on quality of education.

      Actually, no. There is a wide spread belief that class size improves education, but there is shockingly little evidence to support that belief. The biggest controlled study was the STAR Study done in Tennessee during the 1980s. It found the benefits to be minimal and uneven. Other studies have generally found even less benefit. Kids in early grades benefit most, with little to no benefit from smaller classes beyond grade 3. Most of the improvement goes to the underperformers. In some cases, the smarter kids actually do worse with small classes. This may be because they are forced to follow along with the class instead of reading ahead or learning on their own.

      Much of the benefit from "smaller classes" may actually be from "quieter classes". Many young children have difficulty filtering out distracting noise. Good sound proofing, and reduction in disruptive behavior, can often bring as much benefit as smaller classes. Interesting, improving student/teacher ratios by adding teaching assistants has been found to provide no benefit.

      If correctly targeted, smaller classes have their place, but they are far from a panacea.

    13. Re:That's not news by skegg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think simply raising their pay is the answer

      Funny, however, that paying CEO's many millions of dollars is justified because it allows companies to better attract 'talent' from other companies, other industries and other countries.

      And whenever someone here in Australia bitches about politicians getting $200,000 - $400,000 per annum, the standard response is "but these people would be making many times that in private industry ... we need to encourage them to work in public life". Then those people can fuck off to the private sector if they're not ready for public service.

      I do agree that you will get some improvement in quality of teachers if you started paying them more, but I don't think it will be significant.

      Let's find out.

    14. Re:That's not news by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do we do with all the kids that have been expelled? Would they be roaming the streets during school hours? Shoplifting / mugging seniors? (Most of the expelled kids wouldn't be from the maths / chess clubs.)

      At worst, they would be doing the same things they do when they are not in school now. Your question implies that schools are being used a prisons that every minor is sentenced to.

      Do we conscript them? Lock 'em up in detention?

      Maybe that would be best. We already lock them up. The only problem is that the kids who do want an education are locked up with them. If the kids are not going to learn anyway, segregating them out to other facilities that are not bothering to try to teach them isn't going to do any worse.

      Tough ... very tough. It'd take a government with an iron will to fix this problem.

      No doubt. Unfortunately, sometimes not making a decision IS making a decision, and the decision our governments (education is state level) have taken is clearly broken.

    15. Re:That's not news by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      If a student gets kicked out of one school, why would another school take him?

      (Actually we had a situation something like that before federal laws prohibited it. It was a disaster. Kids never got educated. Girls got pregnant and went on welfare. Boys joined gangs, got into crime and went to jail.)

    16. Re: That's not news by Haawkeye · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I will be the first to admit I don't have any studies to back this up only 15 years of teaching. The biggest impact of smaller classes is the fact that I know and can respond to individuals better. If I have a class of 25 students I end up knowing them all much better than if I have 35. This also allows me to differentiate the instruction to fit each student. Now I teach grade 5 so this probably does not help much. However also being a father of 4 I want my kids to be inspired and cared for at school. This means the teachers must have a good relationship with each of the students. So while I don't have any studies or papers to back up my opinion I hope my years of experience do carry some weight. I would love ipads in my class but only if they could print!

  2. Pawn shop boom predicted... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 4, Funny

    .... Dec 2014.

  3. Can't wait for the dog to eat the homework. by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How many will break in the first week?

  4. So much for competition and standards by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is sad in so many ways. Primarily that there has to be such lock-in with public funds and on such an overpriced device. No need to go into ALL the details, it has already been hashed out on Slashdot before regarding price, toyness, theft, maintenance, battery wear, lack of E-Ink, lockdown, spyware, compatibility, damage, serviceability, insurance, attention span reduction, etc, etc.

    Love technology, but sometimes it seems like it is not moving things forward, just sideways.... especially when it gets political.

    Oh, and 30 million dollars for 31,000 tablets comes to $968 each. And that is supposed to be some special deal discount??? Meanwhile, the smaller, lighter, faster, higher res, second iteration of the Nexus 7 releases for $229 WITHOUT discount.

  5. iPad a frightening Choice by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ignoring the fact that you are giving children $1000 devices (Several times the cost of the opposition) that puts them vulnerable to attack. They are unfixable, and heavy, have to work with Apples closed garden. In a dynamic market where Apple is a niche player, its tablet sales dropping. You are rewarding a company that prides itself on not paying tax.

    I'm glad its not my tax Dollars. This should have been given to a open platform, willing to provide low margin, easily fixable, assembled in America, Light, ugly tablets..that pays tax.

    Its a shame because I think its a great idea.

  6. Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 by foniksonik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're forgetting the infrastructure to support it. Wifi in classrooms, provisioning system. School App Store. Insurance policy. Training for teachers. Licensing for content.

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  7. Sue over injury by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who pays for the new ones? Have a funny feeling the tax payers are going to have fun with this one...

    The large costs will be when students get attacked for carrying around $1000 electronics.

  8. Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, most kids already DO grade each others tests, well, quizzes at least. I remember passing quizzes to the person next to us all the time after taking a quiz and getting it graded right then and there. Furthermore, evidence suggests the act of teaching stuff to someone else helps you learn it much better, so having kids devise tests and grade each other could be quite beneficial, as long as there was some teacher oversight.

  9. Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 by guruevi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Especially that last one, the infrastructure is cheap (3 or 4 servers and a single sysadmin will give you management for 400,000 iPads). When each e-book costs on average $60/student, that's where most of your money goes.

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  10. Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article, it looks like that also includes all of the necessary apps and textbook/workbook resources ("Pearson common core system of courses").

    Though at almost $1000 per student, that's still $500 allotted to a few apps and digital textbook licensing per student. If mega-mass-produced digital textbooks are costing $500 per *grade school* student no wonder the public school systems have no money...

  11. They tried this in Newark and it failed. by assemblerex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was just at liquidations for three schools where they tried this. Somehow they think that throwing high technology at bad students will somehow transform them into good students. The reality is three schools failed to perform, even with millions of dollars in apple miracle products. These children have a poor home structure, poor social structure that frowns on those who are smart as "acting white", a culture they idolizes those who chase quick money and material goods, and no penalties for parents who barely raise their kids. This too will fail, as technology is NOT a substitute for good parenting.

  12. Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Paper books can be used over the course of several years with several classes of students. I wonder if the licenses in this case will only apply to a single student.

  13. A 30 year bond to pay for technology? by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 4, Informative

    A 30 year bond to pay for technology that is outmoded in less than 5 years?

    smh

  14. Re:What happens when this fails? by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    books are cheap to repair.

  15. (Not just Apple) stands to benefit by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah. But MOSTLY Apple.
    Sure, the stupid DRM'ed online-only "book" companies too.
    Oh, and all the Apple stores around the area for when the little "darlings" inevitably break something.

    I'd rather this money have gone into things that would actually BENEFIT these kids' education. Like building new schools or staggered school hours to reduce class sizes. Setting tighter metrics (or ANY metrics for that matter) on teachers to weed out the incompetent. Hell, increased police presence to help tone down the gang bangers.

    But nope! Kidz gotsta haz teh bling bling!

    Fucking morons...

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  16. No programmers from LA schools by greggman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most likely this will be considered a computer for each child. Since Apple's app policy disallows programming environments on iOS it's likely that this will lead to many children not being introduced to programming.

  17. paper and pencil by fafaforza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Americans and Russians put people in space with the above. School education was no different. Why do people think a gadget is necessary.

    And the usual defense is, "kids need to be ready for the technological working world." They'll have many, many years to become experts with technology, just through their normal use of it. And if they need to know Excel, they'll take a boring business administration course track like the rest of us.

    Watch us continue going down in international match scores.

  18. Steve Jobs' opinion by JazzHarper · · Score: 5, Informative

    “I used to think that technology could help education. I’ve probably spearheaded giving away more computer equipment to schools than anybody else on the planet. But I’ve had to come to the inevitable conclusion that the problem is not one that technology can hope to solve. What’s wrong with education cannot be fixed with technology. No amount of technology will make a dent.”
    -- Steve Jobs, Wired, February 1996

  19. Re:context consumption vs creation by DaphneDiane · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple says that certain features require a complimentary Adobe Creative Cloud membership, but Adobe lists such membership at $49.99 per month.

    There are two levels of creative cloud memberships, one includes subscriptions to a bunch of apps ( that's the $49.99 / month ), and the basic level which is sort of like an icloud / dropbox service for storing files ( which is free for 2 GB worth of storage ). The feature that requires creative cloud is that dropbox-like service.

    Also the descriptions on appstores are written by the developers, so is what Adobe is saying, not what Apple is saying. I just checked on my Nexus 10 and the description is pretty much the same in the Google Play store.