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Google Engineer Wins NSA Award, Then Says NSA Should Be Abolished
First time accepted submitter MetalliQaZ writes "Last week, Dr. Joseph Bonneau learned that he had won the NSA's first annual "Science of Security (SoS) Competition." The competition, which aims to honor the best 'scientific papers about national security' as a way to strengthen NSA collaboration with researchers in academia, honored Bonneau for his paper on the nature of passwords. And how did Bonneau respond to being honored by the NSA? By expressing, in an honest and bittersweet blog post, his revulsion at what the NSA has become: 'Simply put, I don't think a free society is compatible with an organisation like the NSA in its current form.'"
Overridden by the NSA being the bad guys on Stargate.
The engineers are mere henchmen for the Brin. All hail the Brin and his manly spy glasses!
Google is a huge part of the surveillance machine. If you oppose surveillance, aren't you morally bound to stop enriching a big part of the problem? Is this what you signed up for? To help them build the apparatus of tyranny?
Maybe a mass wave of resignations among the 9 would effect positive change? Maybe we are all responsible to do our part to stop this monstrosity?
I am afraid to post this comment. I am sure that I will get categorized as a dissident for it. I would say a lot more, but my freedom of speech is chilled.
From the Winner of the prize:
"And like many American citizens I’m ashamed we’ve let our politicians sneak the country down this path."
From some of the politicians:
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) : "It’s called protecting America," Feinstein said at a Capitol Hill news conference.
"Protecting America!" - that's right up there with "Think of the Children!"
"Right now I think everyone should just calm down and understand this isn't anything that's brand new," Reid said.
Al Gore
In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?
Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said in a statement:
"This type of secret bulk data collection is an outrageous breach of Americans’ privacy."
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he was "glad" the NSA was collecting phone records.
"I don’t mind Verizon turning over records to the government if the government is going to make sure that they try to match up a known terrorist phone with somebody in the United States," Graham said in an interview on "Fox and Friends."
The "Catbert" quote....
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) also claimed that reports of the NSA collecting phone records was "nothing particularly new."
"Every member of the United States Senate has been advised of this," Chambliss said. "And to my knowledge we have not had any citizen who has registered a complaint relative to the gathering of this information."
Bold mine. I think Saxby doesn't understand "secret surveillance" means.
Senator Ted Cruz
Disturbing pattern emerging. Govt wants your DNA, prayer content & now...phone records?
And lastly, Mike Lee:
Mike Lee
#NSA surveillance of #Verizon cell phone records illustrates why I voted against Patriot Act
I think everyone who said he was "UnAmerican" or UnPatriotic" should apologize.
The paper in question is available here in case anybody is interested why the NSA granted him the award.
Interestingly, out of the first 13 posts on this topic, only 2 have been by named individuals, the rest by anonymous cowards.
Is everyone so scared of getting on the NSA's "of interest" list, no one want's to be identified? Maybe our new tyrannical overlords have won already.
N.B. this user is far too lazy to write a witty and intelligent sig.
Without their consent? That's new.
I read TFA and all I got was this lousy cookie
1.Google first is not spying on you. Partly because you actually know what they are doing, and spying requires secrecy, and google will tell you what they are doing.
2. Google cannot ruin your life like the NSA can.
3. You have no idea who collects more data.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
He wrote the paper for IEEE.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
You can opt out of Google, but you can't opt out of NSA
You can opt out of Google, but you can't opt out of NSA
Fallacy. Just because you feel the NSA is overboard, and not conducive to a free society, does not mean you dont work on crytography and the such. The problem US citizens have with the NSA is not that they have the capability to capture data, but who they are capturing it on violates their oath.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
If the NSA cannot even accurately profile somebody they are about to give an award to and predict his response, what good are they? It seems all this massive surveillance is not only hugely immoral and dangerous, it also seems to be completely broken with regard to its stated mission. WTF are they collecting this data for?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I was wondering about the relationship between NSA and academia, only the other way around. It's probable that they've got their eye on relevant courses (math, cs) and must by now employ a significant number of top-shelf scientists -- whose insights are not likely shared academically, certainly not in a timely fashion.
This seems to me quite detrimental to scientific progress in these areas.
Gosh, thanks. That must be why the other ships call me Meatfucker -- GCU Grey Area (Eccentric)
As per the congressional investigations into what we knew before Pearl Harbor -- and as per records in any public library before the 2001 reclassification act, AND testified to by the fact that some of the volumes and some of the pages are new, AND also to be confirmed by librarians that the substitutions did occur, followed by a failed lawsuit...
the US government, including the president, KNEW when, what, and where on Pearl Harbor ahead of time, but the president of the United States wanted to pressure Americans into accepting the war.
I call BS on your post, and further I call NSA slashtroturfing.
As of this point, NSA reclassification is being used against US citizens, for the benefit of the NSA.
No. Google is CIA, not NSA.
"Give a woman two glasses of wine and some pad thai, and they'll agree to just about anything." the Sports Guy
"Absolute Power Corrupting Absolutely" in the long-haul. There is a reason that old adage exists you know... it usually comes true, and history's FULL of examples of it & if you keep reading? You'll see WHERE I got that idea, and from whom (an expert in the field, without a doubt).
I.E.-> You put that much power in anyone's hands, sooner or later, it goes to their heads, & they abuse it (not sure I'd be "above it" either myself - 1 'bad day' & poof - you've got Caligula!).
I figure it this way: When the ONLY guy foreign dignitaries often will talk to since he has honor and is trustworthy says this http://now.msn.com/jimmy-carter-says-the-nsa-has-eliminated-a-functioning-democracy it's spot-on.
Lastly - this fellow? I'd put his intelligence FAR above politicians, and I will go with the insights of intelligent folks every time vs. the less intelligent. How about you?
No - I suspect that YOU are 1 of those getting "fat & happy" off of this somehow, hence your statement. Defunding the NSA would "upset your applecart" - the powers that be WANT to keep the status quo.
Why?
Heck - transparently simple: They're ALL wealthy men (including our politicians the puppets of the REAL controllers) getting wealthier is why & at OUR expense as taxpayers. Are they doing a good job? Please, lol... HELL NO! Look @ the economy, the US credit rating, etc./et al!
I can think of MANY WAYS to spend that money more wisely, to greater efficacy/ROI & for the greater good & I am no "genius" or economist either (then neither is our "rule of law" (secret law/secret courts, wtf - they're civil servants NOT masters, nothing more)!
It doesn't take one to fix our main problem: The economy. Instead of building war machines, build jobs. Be "good government" for real, & do "laissez faire" but, as good government say "Ok, fine - but we're going to tax your profit gains on offshoring, hit you with a fine too - you'll stop: It will defeat your 'raison d'etre' as business: Profit". Do right by the MAJORITY of your constituents instead of only yourselves & those that TRULY control "the best politicians money can REALLY buy", for real.
Plus - Who the hell made us the "policeman (gestapo) of the planet anyhow? Why are we sticking our noses into others' lives overseas when we have issues @ home to fix?? Oh, we KNOW who (the real puppeteers/war profiteers is who that REALLY run things - the infamous 1% is who!).
APK
P.S.=> Nobody in their RIGHT MIND likes this stuff going on, period. Nobody That is, unless they too are part of the "good ole' boy" network getting fat, rich & happy from it on NO BID CONTRACTS (halliburton) - they won't bitch @ all, while the rest of us get unions busted, jobs offshored, and seeing these "brainiacs" (not) fuck the economy up spending on bullshit like this used against us, and spent on NO WMDs FOUND WARS (false pretense to go after someone who had something you want, or crossed the "powers that be").
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1.) Clapper & Alexander outright LIED to congress (twisting words using DIRECTLY! Well, might as well be, using directed multigraph discrete math work & NARUS devices set @ the "choke point" nexus of communique.
2.) Just like how they CLAIM there is no easy CENTRAL way to query their own mail but they do it to everyone else - I found that hilarious & disgusting, since mail is really DBMail and to select/insert/update/delete into those, you NEED to have abilities for that... What they told us, unless someone can show me otherwise, is total bullshit. Hypocritical bullshit). I.E.-> We can do it to you, but nobody can to us @ the NSA... that's bullshit.
3.) Screwing with protesters was from the FEEBS http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy
This times eleventy billion. If congress, etc., didn't want the NSA they could change it. Besides, the ability to view private communication has been a core capability and even the purpose of national spy organizations forever.
The larger question is what government is allowed to do with it. Honestly it would be disappointing, even outrageous if the NSA didn't have the technical ability to collect this kind of data. Being on the cutting edges of information gathering and technology were crucial in the allies winning WW2, for instance. Certainly russia and china are champing at the bit to do it. This is the major reason why they keep pushing to "decentralize the internet" and wrest control from the US for their own purposes.
The hijacking of government for political purposes (e.g., the IRS scandal) is far more worrying simply because it's a clear indicator that those in power have no qualms about abusing it. Hence ultimately you could blame not congress but rather the electorate.
I have mod points. The reign of terror begins now.
The NSA and CIA are not allowed, by law, to spy on American citizens. I don't see why this is so difficult for people to get through their fucking heads.
Google sucking up as much customer information as they can may be sleezy (maybe) and can be questionable, depending on how they are using, selling, whatever that data . . . but it is a far fucking cry from the nature of the NSA/CIA doing it to our own citizens (except when Google and other companies then hand it over to the NSA/CIA, in which case it is just as fucking vile again).
Even if doing so is in violation of your oath to defend the constitution? Isnt this how the corrupt cops think?
When you cant win, ad hominem.
On the contrary. We all have responsibility for national security. And what is being done today by our government in the name of national security threatens national security.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
IRS scandal? Did you even read how that ended up?
http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/there-was-never-any-irs-scandal-after-all/
Again you still have a choice to use that service or not. It is trivial to find out if a site you are using is using google services. If you chose not to figure it on it is your fault not google's.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
It's not difficult; The concern is that these government organizations are blantantly, deliberately, and willing violating said law(s), and going ahead with mass spying on the public.
At least Google tell you up front that they're going to collect data on you in some form or another.. At no point do they ever state otherwise.
With the CIA and NSA, all we have is some dodged questions and weak promises that they're actually holding up to the letter of the law. We have no way to properly audit them to ensure that they're actually in compliance, and their congressional admissions are rather concerning that they in all likelihood aren't.
There are no LEGAL reasons to surveil the people of the United States en mass. It doesnt matter how safe you want to feel, what you ask for is illegal and has been for a very long time. The word Papers in the 4th covers not just paper, but all communications from now until the heat death of the universe. Time or technology does not change these ideals
Good-bye
Its priorities. The US has reached such an ethical crossroads: either strong state security or extensive individual liberty. Can't have both.
Neither. There should be no warrentless spying of American citizens. Putting forth the forth the question who should do it tries to put me into a choice between people who can do it at varying levels of efficiency.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
The NSA is just like a too big to fail bank. They believe they no longer need to hide their evil nature and criminal activity. They are, regrettably, correct in their belief.
The Wall Street banks, private sector entities with (in theory) strict oversight, gambled away other people's money, and then the victims were forced to hand over taxes to replace the money the banks lost. Expect the "punishment" that the NSA receives now that their bubble (secrecy) has collapsed to be equally punitive.
Because it is not enshrined in our laws that we dont spy on you, but it is enshrined in our laws and society that we dont spy on ourselves.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
It's okay as long as we catch the bogeymen.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
And so did MS, Yahoo, and virtually every other internet group out there who collects data. Personally I would suspect an AC of being a shill before a person who is not an AC.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Safe communication means safe means for propaganda, avenues for radicalisation and recruitment, and for coordination and planning. And that's plenty harmful.
Unsafe communication means no safe means for recruitment, coordination and planning. And that means that people take their business elsewhere than the U.S.A.
If you really want to know how important secure communication is considered, ask the military, the diplomatic service, and most companies.
Not to mention the U.S. constitution.
I'm all for good old detective work, given a suspect. But the trick is to get a suspect in the first place. Monitoring communication helps enormously in becoming aware of suspects.
In particular since every citizen is suspect. Some need less, some need more coaxing in order to stop behaving like prospective terrorists and to start loving the government. If the government is supposed to micromanage its citizens' loyalty, it needs proper access to their communication.
The world, regardless of your hippy views, is still divided up into nation-states. The duty of the US government is to protect and serve US Citizens, not the entire world. That mission includes spying on the citizens of other nation states from time to time, as do the governments of other nation-states spy on the US. If you're trying to claim that the US is the only nation that spies on its allies and others you're going to get laughed out of the courtroom, so your implied objection is DENIED.
Spying on EVERYONE, including US Citizens, is typical of a Government that is ill and out of control, and THAT is something that US citizens need to correct.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
It's not trivial to do so until after you've already been there. And Google Ads are freaking everywhere.
"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
And herein lies the problem: who gets to define who the "undesirables" are? How do we know they're undesirable? There's a large segment of the American population who think gays are undesirable. There's an even larger segment who think Muslims are undesirable. There are an amazing number of people on /. who object to pinko, gun-stealing liberals.
In my opinion, NSA apologists are undesirable, and should be the people we tap 24/7; it's usually ultra right-wing types who perform modern domestic-bred terrorism.
j/k. Even conservatives deserve privacy.
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And, once again, we have yet another example of why the warrantless surveillance is a bad idea. There was an agent (DuÅan Popov) working for the British MI6 who was trying to tell the US military about Pearl Harbor for months before the attack, but the US military didn't want to listen. In other words, Pearl Harbor happened, not because of a lack of intelligence (in the information sense), but instead a lack of intelligence (in the IQ sense) amongst US military personnel.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
no that was the nid a fictional department made for civilian over site of military secrets
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
I don't know about that but if you go into your account settings and edit the information they have on you and you can request a report on your google usage be delivered via Email to you.
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
I say that Bayer should select their advertising agencies and brokers little more carefully.
It is not illegal to spy on other countries, just in other countries. I expect China to spy on us, I dont expect my own government to do it.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Just because it is not apparent who you are shilling for does not mean you are not shilling.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
No it's not. Any time you see a page with a Facebook or Google logo on it ANYWHERE, that page is a part of the respective corporation's data collection machine.
Virtually all websites on the internet today have some form of "social" badge on them to make them easy for users to share, be it facebook, google, pinterest, or reddit. Every one of those badges is pulled directly from those corporate servers and effectively pings the servers with your IP address, browser agent, operating system, and a few other metrics that are about as personally identifiable as your thumb print.
Simply put, facebook doesn't need you to sign up with them for them to know everything about you. At this point creating a login and password is an unnecessary pretense. Facebook knows who you are even if you've never been to facebook.com. The issue at play here is that your browser is the tool they use to spy on you directly. Both Facebook and Google know every single page you've ever been to, and not just you're PC, but you personally.
I sincerely doubt you gave consent to that.
1. Google IS spying on you. Anytime you see a "share on G+" logo, an embedded youtube video, or that google analytics is being used in a page's HTML, you are being spied on by google, a fact that is not understood by most people and is difficult for even experienced users to grasp the full ramifications of.
2. Google hands it's collected data over to the NSA. This is no secret and is widely documented fact. By doing this google is directly causal to any actions the NSA take against you.
3. It's irrelevant who collects MORE data, what is relevant however is that all of these giants, facebook, google, microsoft, yahoo, reddit, etc... are required by US law to comply with court orders to hand over information to the NSA.
The NSA does not collect much data at all personally; you won't see "NSA+", "Share on NSA", or "Login with NSA Connect" on any webpages ever. What the NSA does is go to those private industries that are tracking virtually every single page you view including most porn, news, shoping, and entertainment sites and they show them fancy court orders for them to hand over data on you and anyone else involved in the investigation. The NSA admitted to using "3 hops" of separation in their data collection demands so to day they could demand the entire contents of Google's data collection on every man woman and child is not a stretch. They'd only need a few dozen "suspects" to do so.
And they have decided to discard the 'free' society for the 'security' of the NSA. This will not effect next year's election, or those in 2016. A republican or a democrat will occupy the white house and the vast majority of seats in congress... and life will muddle on.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
4. Google doesn't spend your tax dollars tracking you.
5. You can tell Google to buzz off if you want.
> All hail the Brin and his manly spy glasses!
Ah, but they are countered by the (other) Brin and his kiln-baked doppelgangers!
I'm not happy about Google either but Google has neither the power nor the inclination to throw me in prison because I wrote that I'd like to kill person X in an email that was never intended for any eyes but the recipient. Or put me on a no fly list when I criticise the TSA and say I want to go on a killing rampage and take out a bunch of them.
We are used to having genuine 100% freedom of speech with no exceptions when communicating privately with a friend. Due to PRISM and probably other NSA programs this is no longer the case. You have to assume that everything you write could be read by an NSA agent.
Privacy from a repressive government is completely different from privacy from a private company that merely wants to make as much money as possible. On the one hand you get targeted ads. On the other you might spend years in prison getting raped by your cellmate and then dying from HIV. That's why we should be more concerned about the NSA than Google. Google doesn't even have a reason to personally read our emails. The NSA does.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
How does facebook know who I am? From my IP address? Only my ISP can connect my name to an IP address. Are you suggesting that Google routinely contacts someone like Comcast or Verizon and just asks to connect the two because, you know, they are curious?
If the FBI wants to connect my identity to an IP address they can call my ISP, but I haven't seen any evidence that ISPs are routinely giving out that information to people without law enforcement credentials.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Does google analytics need javascript to work? I never whitelist it in noscript.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
One word, Shadow Profiles http://m.digitaltrends.com/social-media/what-exactly-is-a-facebook-shadow-profile/
The US is one of unfortunately all too many nations that spy to support their own corporations getting business secrets. There's a big difference between checking up on what ballistic missile submarine a government is deploying where, and what new flavor some consumer product will be released in six months from now. The US government pays, with your tax dollars and mine, to give "American" companies (which are often international), data on what their competitiors are doing , supposedly because that keeps jobs in the US (which are being outsourced overseas anyway).
A lot of the motivation for the NSA spying domestically is that the average citizen is being viewed only as a consumer: only useful to the government, and its true 'masters', if the citizen doesn't get out of line and start occupying something. That's a very pro-corporatist viewpoint, and goes hand in hand with international corporate directed espionage. being able to get the taxpayers to both subsidise one and focus the agencies on it, helps enable the other.
Who is John Cabal?
So to you being served target ads which you won't even see if you use noscript and an ad blocker is just as bad as being thrown in jail and/or put on a terrorist watch list for something you wrote to a friend in an email or instant message or text message?
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Noscript. I would suggest you Google it but you might prefer to avoid them entirely. You could try bing, but that's likely a frying pan-fire situation.
if you're willing to trust Google to some degree, then DO Google it. They offer a few solutions themselves.
Now, try asking the NSA how to opt out of their tracking and see how far you get.
The NSA is pretty neat. In the sense that nuclear explosions are pretty neat. In the sense of "power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat".
It is certainly true that monitoring everyone 24/7 as in 1984 increases security. It is also true that it leads to a lot of very unhappy people who are forced to live in an Orwellian dystopia. Human beings simply are not meant to live like that. So your cure is far, far worse than the actual diseasae.
If the price for freedom from being watched all the time by hostile government agents on fishing expeditions to find illegal or suspicious (to them) behavior is losing 3000 lives every 10-20 years then it's a price that I and probably most freedom loving people are willing to pay.
Nuking every country other than the US would also make us very safe. A bit lonely but a lot safer from the occassional terrorist. The fewer people on the planet the fewer terrorists. Unfortunately for you safe at any price people there are ethical considerations.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Very interesting. I've always believed Facebook was evil and I've never had an account with them. I also don't have any friends who actively use the site. From the article it seems that the way they get information on people without Facebook accounts is by using information their friends post about them. So it does seem avoidable. So if you value your privacy:
1) Don't use Facebook.
2) Tell your friends that you would prefer if they didn't write about you on Facebook. If someone does then stop being friends with them.
That article didn't seem to mention how Facebook can connect an IP address to a real name without contacting your ISP with a warrant or at least being a law enforcement agency.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
How do you tell google analytics to buzz off if it's embedded into practically every website?
https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout
Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
They have actually been very ufront with what they are doing. They spy on anyone, as long as there's a 51 probablity that he/she is not an american. (source)
This is what the relevant part of the PRISM code actually looks like:
boolean OK_to_spy(individual *TARGET) {
if( US_POPULATION < 0.51 * DATABASE_SIZE)
return TRUE;
else
error("Database is too small.");
}
Unless you've taken some odd measures, you're very server-side trackable. Go here and see how unique you are even with no cookies of any kind on your client. As a general rule, any step you take to block cookies or client-side tracking makes you more unique to server-side tracking. IP address isn't the point at all here! I'm unique mostly because I have an unusual monitor resolution due to running in a VM, and ad blocking on IE.
Unless you're so privacy-obsessed that you actually turn javascript off everywhere (plus a bunch of other tuning), you have a personal signature available to every web page you visit, and most pages these days phone home to the Google and Facebook motherships.
Today, there's no connection between that tracking and law enforcement. That we know about. Yet. So nothing to worry about, right?
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
If someone does then stop being friends with them.
How would you know if you are not on Facebook?
Disclosure: i do not use Facebook - so i can be your friend :)
http://www.pdfernhout.net/recognizing-irony-is-a-key-to-transcending-militarism.html
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Likewise, even United States three-letter agencies like the NSA and the CIA, as well as their foreign counterparts, are becoming ironic institutions in many ways. Despite probably having more computing power per square foot than any other place in the world, they seem not to have thought much about the implications of all that computer power and organized information to transform the world into a place of abundance for all. Cheap computing makes possible just about cheap everything else, as does the ability to make better designs through shared computing.
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http://www.pdfernhout.net/a-rant-on-financial-obesity-and-Project-Virgle.html :-). And that jest came almost half a *century* after the "Triple Revolution" letter of 1964 about the growing disconnect between effort and productivity (or work and financial fitness): :-) As with my mother, no doubt Googlers have lived through periods of scarcity of money relative to their needs to survive or be independent scholars or effective agents of change. Is it any wonder they probably think being financially obese is a *good* thing, not an indication of either personal or societal pathology? :-( ... :-(
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Look at Project Virgle and "An Open Source Planet":
http://www.google.com/virgle/opensource.html
Even just in jest some of the most financially obese people on the planet (who have built their company with thousands of servers all running GNU/Linux free software) apparently could not see any other possibility but seriously becoming even more financially obese off the free work of others on another planet (as well as saddling others with financial obesity too
http://www.educationanddemocracy.org/FSCfiles/C_CC2a_TripleRevolution.htm
Even not having completed their PhDs, the top Google-ites may well take many more *decades* to shake off that ideological discipline. I know it took me decades (and I am still only part way there.
So what is Google Headquarters in Mountain View, California but a little temporary space habitat bubble of happiness for regular employees, but floating on a sea of relative misery for everyone else planetwide who supports it? Can't we as a society or Google/Virgle as an aspiration do better that that? And even within that bubble are emerging issues. How long can a company expect to run on twenty-somethings without kids?
Google-ites and other financially obese people IMHO need to take a good look at the junk food capitalist propaganda they are eating and serving up to others, as in saying (even in jest):
http://www.google.com/virgle/opensource.html
"we should profit from others' use of our innovations, and we should buy or lease others' intellectual property whenever it advances our own goals" -- even while running one of the biggest post-scarcity enterprises on Earth based on free-as-in-freedom software.
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See also, for the future both of them together may create, the upcoming movie "Elysium":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)
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In the year 2154, the very wealthy live on Elysium, a Stanford torus[8][9] high-tech space station governed by President Patel (Faran Tahir), in a utopian setting which includes access to private medical machines that offer instant cures, while everyone else lives below on the overpopulated, ruined, "Third World slum"[7] Ear
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
Shadow Profiles is two words.
The weasel way around it is to collect great big blocks of data that include some traffic that goes to people that are not American citizens, or say they are just investigating a citizen because they are a link to a non-citizen.