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Google Engineer Wins NSA Award, Then Says NSA Should Be Abolished

First time accepted submitter MetalliQaZ writes "Last week, Dr. Joseph Bonneau learned that he had won the NSA's first annual "Science of Security (SoS) Competition." The competition, which aims to honor the best 'scientific papers about national security' as a way to strengthen NSA collaboration with researchers in academia, honored Bonneau for his paper on the nature of passwords. And how did Bonneau respond to being honored by the NSA? By expressing, in an honest and bittersweet blog post, his revulsion at what the NSA has become: 'Simply put, I don't think a free society is compatible with an organisation like the NSA in its current form.'"

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  1. Politicians .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the Winner of the prize:

    "And like many American citizens I’m ashamed we’ve let our politicians sneak the country down this path."

    From some of the politicians:

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) : "It’s called protecting America," Feinstein said at a Capitol Hill news conference.

    "Protecting America!" - that's right up there with "Think of the Children!"

    "Right now I think everyone should just calm down and understand this isn't anything that's brand new," Reid said.

    Al Gore
    In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?

    Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said in a statement:

    "This type of secret bulk data collection is an outrageous breach of Americans’ privacy."

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he was "glad" the NSA was collecting phone records.

    "I don’t mind Verizon turning over records to the government if the government is going to make sure that they try to match up a known terrorist phone with somebody in the United States," Graham said in an interview on "Fox and Friends."

    The "Catbert" quote....

    Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) also claimed that reports of the NSA collecting phone records was "nothing particularly new."

    "Every member of the United States Senate has been advised of this," Chambliss said. "And to my knowledge we have not had any citizen who has registered a complaint relative to the gathering of this information."

    Bold mine. I think Saxby doesn't understand "secret surveillance" means.

    Senator Ted Cruz
    Disturbing pattern emerging. Govt wants your DNA, prayer content & now...phone records?

    And lastly, Mike Lee:

    Mike Lee
    #NSA surveillance of #Verizon cell phone records illustrates why I voted against Patriot Act

    I think everyone who said he was "UnAmerican" or UnPatriotic" should apologize.

    1. Re:Politicians .... by ak3ldama · · Score: 5, Informative
      And from an article with Wyden, Obama's innaction:

      But although President Obama agreed with Wyden that FISA Court opinions needed to be made public in 2009, not one single opinion has been published since then, and the surveillance state has only grown larger.

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  2. Re:Don't forget by Mitchell314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without their consent? That's new.

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  3. Re:Shortsighted techie ... by thaylin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fallacy. Just because you feel the NSA is overboard, and not conducive to a free society, does not mean you dont work on crytography and the such. The problem US citizens have with the NSA is not that they have the capability to capture data, but who they are capturing it on violates their oath.

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  4. Profiling fail by gweihir · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the NSA cannot even accurately profile somebody they are about to give an award to and predict his response, what good are they? It seems all this massive surveillance is not only hugely immoral and dangerous, it also seems to be completely broken with regard to its stated mission. WTF are they collecting this data for?

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  5. I call NSA slashtroturfing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As per the congressional investigations into what we knew before Pearl Harbor -- and as per records in any public library before the 2001 reclassification act, AND testified to by the fact that some of the volumes and some of the pages are new, AND also to be confirmed by librarians that the substitutions did occur, followed by a failed lawsuit...

    the US government, including the president, KNEW when, what, and where on Pearl Harbor ahead of time, but the president of the United States wanted to pressure Americans into accepting the war.

    I call BS on your post, and further I call NSA slashtroturfing.

    As of this point, NSA reclassification is being used against US citizens, for the benefit of the NSA.

  6. Re:Don't forget by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The NSA and CIA are not allowed, by law, to spy on American citizens. I don't see why this is so difficult for people to get through their fucking heads.

    Google sucking up as much customer information as they can may be sleezy (maybe) and can be questionable, depending on how they are using, selling, whatever that data . . . but it is a far fucking cry from the nature of the NSA/CIA doing it to our own citizens (except when Google and other companies then hand it over to the NSA/CIA, in which case it is just as fucking vile again).

  7. Re:Public resignation? by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More accurately, the internet is part of the surveillance machine. Google is picked on regularly as they're the biggest collector of information, but they also have pretty much the best record for privacy.

  8. Remember Wall Street by Livius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The NSA is just like a too big to fail bank. They believe they no longer need to hide their evil nature and criminal activity. They are, regrettably, correct in their belief.

    The Wall Street banks, private sector entities with (in theory) strict oversight, gambled away other people's money, and then the victims were forced to hand over taxes to replace the money the banks lost. Expect the "punishment" that the NSA receives now that their bubble (secrecy) has collapsed to be equally punitive.

  9. Re:Don't forget by sjames · · Score: 5, Informative

    4. Google doesn't spend your tax dollars tracking you.

    5. You can tell Google to buzz off if you want.

  10. Re:Don't forget by 0111+1110 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not happy about Google either but Google has neither the power nor the inclination to throw me in prison because I wrote that I'd like to kill person X in an email that was never intended for any eyes but the recipient. Or put me on a no fly list when I criticise the TSA and say I want to go on a killing rampage and take out a bunch of them.

    We are used to having genuine 100% freedom of speech with no exceptions when communicating privately with a friend. Due to PRISM and probably other NSA programs this is no longer the case. You have to assume that everything you write could be read by an NSA agent.

    Privacy from a repressive government is completely different from privacy from a private company that merely wants to make as much money as possible. On the one hand you get targeted ads. On the other you might spend years in prison getting raped by your cellmate and then dying from HIV. That's why we should be more concerned about the NSA than Google. Google doesn't even have a reason to personally read our emails. The NSA does.

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    Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
  11. Re: Don't forget by Phizital1ty · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. Re: Don't forget by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Noscript. I would suggest you Google it but you might prefer to avoid them entirely. You could try bing, but that's likely a frying pan-fire situation.

    if you're willing to trust Google to some degree, then DO Google it. They offer a few solutions themselves.

    Now, try asking the NSA how to opt out of their tracking and see how far you get.