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Watch the Crab Nebula Expand Over a 13 Year Period

The Bad Astronomer writes "A thousand years ago, the light from the explosion of a massive star reached the Earth. We now call this supernova remnant the Crab Nebula, and a new image of the Crab taken by astronomer Adam Block shows the physical expansion of the debris, made obvious in a short video comparing his 2012 observations with some taken in 1999. The outward motion of filaments and knots in the material can be easily traced even over this relatively short time baseline."

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  1. LAME!!! just 2 exposures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    LAME!!! just 2 exposures alternating back and forth.

  2. Craaaaab people! by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Funny

    Craaaaaaab people! Craaaaaaaab people! Craaaaaab people!

    1. Re:Craaaaab people! by Frontier+Owner · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome Zoidburg...

  3. Nice shots by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The newer one picks up more of the blue, so it looks larger. If you watch the red, it is definitely moving outward. Will have to use this the next time I teach about nebula.

  4. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    2.43759728 × 10^-9 FPS should be enough for anybody.

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  5. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    that gives we Ents a headache, please slow it down

  6. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by SlayerofGods · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plus the biggest changes seem to be in the colors not the growth which might be related to the fact it was taken by two different telescopes....

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  7. 1054 by war4peace · · Score: 2

    The Crab Nebula exploded in 1054; well, 6500 years earlier, to be pedantic. But the light arrived to Earth in 1054. So what else happened in 1054? Oh yeah, the great Schism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism#Mutual_excommunication_of_1054).
    Funny coincidence...

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    1. Re:1054 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh yes, a couple of loud mouth idiots from a church yelled at a couple of loud mouth idiots from another church, imagine that! Such a coincidence this happened at the same time as the Crab Nebula exploding.

    2. Re:1054 by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I was trying to be funny but apparently I was too subtle, so here's the "Redneck Joe" joke:

      A star exploding 6500 years ago caused, through its light, Christianity to also explode in 1054.

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    3. Re:1054 by Opyros · · Score: 1

      Yet, oh God, there were so many stars you could have used. What was the need to give these people to the fire, that the symbol of their passing might shine above the Great Schism?

    4. Re:1054 by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The Crab Nebula exploded in 1054; well, 6500 years earlier, to be pedantic.

      No, if you're truly pedantic, you point out that it took the photons 0 seconds from the explosion until they reached us.
      There are no 6500 years that had passed because there's no common frame of reference and clock for the 6500 years to have passed in. 6500 light years is a distance, not a time, and calculating the time with the Newtonian approach of t=v/s doesn't work when the Lorenz factor becomes significant. At c, it's infinite.

      And if you want to go full Albert, you'd say that it explodes in 1054 AD earth spacetime, at a vector 6500 light years distant.

    5. Re:1054 by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer to stay falsely pedantic, thank you very much :)

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    6. Re:1054 by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Actually there is a pretty reasonable assumed frame, the frame here on Earth.

      Yes, and in that frame of reference, the star hasn't exploded yet in the year 1053 AD.
      So there are no 6500 years that have passed, again because there's no frame of reference for that time to have passed in.

  8. Bad comparison. by EkriirkE · · Score: 3, Informative

    The second "larger" image was processed differently - more lightening of the dark end & over exposed. All the stars bloom in the new image as they've been enhanced stronger than the older image. Granted the internal filaments did move slightly, there is cheating to make it look more pronounced.

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    1. Re:Bad comparison. by tuo42 · · Score: 1

      I agree to a degree (did I just type that?) that the comparison is not that good. The problem is: we are not only comparing eleven years in astrophotography experience, post-processing experience, post-processing software evolution, but also two completely different optical drivetrains if I understand the article correctly. Furthermore: different filters, different exposure times, different people doing them, different cameras and chips (or at least in different ages)....I could go on for a couple of hundred characters, everybody who does astrophotography knows what I mean. It would have been far more interesting to have the data of one of the channels (maybe L would be suited if the narrowband filters of both exposures differ too much. Should be enough to get an impression of the size differences) stretched to have the same curves, then registered, then blinking them. It also seems like both exposures used a different palette for the narrowbands. First looks kinda hubble-equse on some parts, while second looks very traditional (might even be L-RGB or - mind you - a modern OSC). In this case, it indeed looks like a non-ideal comparison. Without any details about both images (filters, exposure times etc.) it is hard to compare them. regards tuo

    2. Re:Bad comparison. by tibit · · Score: 2

      Many people keep repeating it. To me it seems to indicate that many people are either in serious need of an eye exam, or that they see only what supports their preconceived notions, not how it really is. There is no "slight" movement of the filaments, the images almost look like they were of different nebulas, if it wasn't for the background stars!

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    3. Re:Bad comparison. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Can you really call a step change in performance between cameras of 1999 and 2012 cheating? This is really irrelevant as the only thing that matters is how many arc seconds wide the internal structures of the nebula are, and as you said the filaments did move I think you'll agree with me when I say if we used the same old camera we'd still end up with the same article showing the nebula expanded.

    4. Re:Bad comparison. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Without any details about both images (filters, exposure times etc.) it is hard to compare them.

      Actually there's plenty to compare. The first picture and the second picture is recording the same structure just that yellow = red, and both emissions are Ha + SII. Now when you ignore the colour just look at the location of stars to identify your arc seconds per pixel, and then start measuring the internal parts of the nebula that moved.

      All the information you need is there once you get over the fact that the pictures look different, just focus on the structure and pronounced features.

  9. I'd like to look but... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1, Funny

    Cool guys don't look at explosions.

    1. Re:I'd like to look but... by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Try vimeo and vimeocdn

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    2. Re:I'd like to look but... by MShield · · Score: 1

      Keyboard solo, JJ ABRAMS,...

  10. Memorial by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Funny

    We should all take this time to remember the brave folks who, thousands of years ago, had to self destruct their crab-class starship to save the universe from the Daleks.

  11. 1921 by mbone · · Score: 2

    This was first done in 1921

    http://www.pnas.org/content/7/6/179.full.pdf+html

    True, they didn't have animated gifs back then...

  12. Of course, but... by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ignore the parts that are differently visible and the color differences, and focus on the parts that are the same in both images.

    You'll see that the elements from the earlier photo have moved away from the center of the nebula and this is visible relative to all the background stars.

    G.

  13. Re:Neat stuff, but... by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

    be glad they didn't make a 10 hours youtube loop

    Or real-time.

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  14. if you look carefully by goffster · · Score: 1

    many features near the edge have not moved at all. It leads me to
    think that in the later exposure, you are simply seeing details
    that were not previously visible.

    1. Re:if you look carefully by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should call professional astronomer Adam Block and tell him where he's gone wrong.

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  15. Re:Neat stuff, but... by vux984 · · Score: 1

    be glad they didn't make a 10 hours youtube loop

    Yeah, I've seen those in search results frequently... who does that and what ever for?!

  16. Re:Neat stuff, but... by kimvette · · Score: 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKJRPPA6NBQ

    4 teh lulz. . . or something

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  17. Amazing Speed! by neorush · · Score: 1

    Anyone figure out how fast the "debris" is moving from the center? To see this kind of a change, on this scale, in such a short time, it must be mind-blowing fast!

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  19. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by cjjjer · · Score: 1

    This is what I thought of, basically the newer telescope probably has updated optics and can take a finer grain of image, of course it will show more and seem like it has grown bigger.

  20. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by tibit · · Score: 2

    Why the misinformation?! The background stars don't move, the nebula expands, the color is irrelevant. Watch it in black and white if you must.

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  21. Messier and M1 by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 2

    I have heard it suggested that when Messier was compiling his list of things not to look at because they're not comets, the Crab Nebula was prominently in his list because it was significantly smaller and brighter in his day than it is now. It's far from conspicuous today...

    ...laura

  22. Feel at home by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I've also expanded over a 13 year period.

  23. Funny by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

    There are more comments bitching about the link than comments about the actual nebula. Even the nerds are disinterested in space these days...

    1. Re:Funny by aiht · · Score: 1

      There are more comments bitching about the link than comments about the actual nebula. Even the nerds are disinterested in space these days...

      No, it's just that the nerds who are interested in space already knew that this happens, so the only new thing here is the presentation.
      I was a bit disappointed because I was expecting a time-lapse video.
      I still think the video's worth watching, but switching between two images is hardly a revolutionary technique in astronomy.

  24. After watching it... by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    I'm overwhelmed with regret that they did not, indeed, take a picture every week like I expected, or even every year.

    Two pictures. And they made a VIDEO. For two pictures.

    Seriously?

  25. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    No. Firstly the colours are simply mapping different emissions to different wavelengths. The reddish picture is what it really looks like with the red being mostly Hydrogen Alpha and in part Ionised Sulphur emissions (both infrared). The yellowish picture maps Hydrogen Alpha to the green channel and Sulphur II to the red channel (result is yellow / brown). In either case the blue remains Ozone emissions. This has been labelled the Hubble Palette as that's how pictures came from the Hubble so you could separate the amount of Ha and SII in each nebula rather than mushing them all into red.

    But really note that the stars don't move, however the actual details like the shock fronts visible in the detail actually seem to move out from the centre. The colour, camera quality, and even exposure is really irrelevant. You could have seen the same result on a well calibrated backyard telescope and a DSLR if someone was looking.

  26. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    It does in this case. Red in the normal sense is Hydrogen Alpha and Ionised Sulphur when picked up on a colour camera. When narrow band imaging and mapping the emissions to the Hubble palette Hydrogen Alpha becomes green and Ionised Sulphur stays mapped to red. The result is that the red in the second picture is the same emissions as the yellow/brownish colours in the first pictures, and they clearly show expansion.

  27. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    The colour has nothing to do with being two different scopes. It's to do with two different ways of mapping data. The reddish picture is what the nebula looks like on a colour camera. Ha and SII emissions from nebula are infrared and cameras map them to red. When doing narrow band imaging if you want to separate these emissions you can do it quite well the way Hubble did and map Ha to the green channel and SII to red.

    This means the yellow in the first picture is the same emission as the red in the second picture, and take a look at the shock fronts in both frames and note that they have moved outward from the centre.

  28. I really think that THIS is far more impressive by jkg2 · · Score: 1

    Hubble: Timelapse of V838 Monocerotis (2002-2006) [1080p]
    "The NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope has been observing the V838 Mon light echo since 2002. Each new observation of the light echo reveals a new and unique "thin-section" through the interstellar dust around the star. This video morphs images of the light echo from the Hubble taken at multiple times between 2002 and 2006. The numerous whorls and eddies in the interstellar dust are particularly noticeable. Possibly they have been produced by the effects of magnetic fields in the space between the stars." (apologies if this is a re-post)

  29. Re:LAME!!! just 2 exposures by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

    It's more like "Crap Nebula", duh!

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