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Is 'Fair Use' Unfair To Humans?

An anonymous reader writes "This article in Wired advances the idea that humans are losing the copyright battle against machines because the fair use laws are tilted against them. The writer wanted to include photos in his book, but the licensing fees were too high. The aggregators, though, like Google, are building their own content by scraping all of the photos they can find. If anyone complains, they just say, 'Fill out a DMCA form.' Can humans compete against the machines? Should humans be able to use the DMCA to avoid copyright fees too? Should web sites be able to shrug and say, 'Hey, we just scraped it?'"

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  1. Copyright itself is problematic for technology by intermodal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In today's age of machines that exist almost exclusively to copy and fiddle about with data, the concept of copyright is quaint and outdated. Gone are the obstacles to distribution and duplication that existed in days gone by, and as the past decade or two has shown us, dropping copyright as a concept will do nothing to deter people from creating new works, only remove the incentive for people to create static media for a living.

    I fully recognize the benefits that copyrighted works have provided for us in the past, and the incentive it provides for new creation. However, I'm not sure copyright deserves to survive in today's technological world when it does as much to deter creation and innovation as it does to foster it.

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    1. Re:Copyright itself is problematic for technology by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Informative

      However, I'm not sure copyright deserves to survive in today's technological world when it does as much to deter creation and innovation as it does to foster it.

      Right, the unfairness that this guy is talking about is for the book authors, and his suggestion is less freedom for the web authors. Classic mistake.

      Copyright itself is less than 500 years old - a response to the technology of the printing press (along with some misguided economic thinking in the 1600's - Adam Smith hadn't even published yet), and given our means of mass-communication today, we've moved past it. Technology changes, and the rules of the game need to change along with it.

      For the US, it should have been obvious to the framers that taking away the property rights of (Everybody - 1) for the sake of some "rights" to imaginary property for one person was an error, but at least they had the idea that it should be only for real people and only for a short time, if it was at all. Madison massively underestimated the ways that people will twist a well-intentioned but flawed system for their own sociopathic benefit. That "limited times to an author" can be held to mean "for a corporation, a century after an author's death" should be evidence enough that the mechanism has failed.

      He rightly says:

      As a creative worker, I understood sharing with the photographers

      But from that assumption he ought to conclude that creative workers will reward other creative workers because they're decent people, not because somebody has a gun to their head forcing them to do so. The 4% of people who will freeload are not worth imposing tyranny on the other 96% so that a corporation can profit from Transformers 3 in the year 2149.

      Another gem:

      In other words, the machine isnâ(TM)t just a dumb hunk of silicon: It's a living creator.

      And I thought copyright was an out-there fantasy. The author is right to raise the issue of unfairness, but more unfairness isn't the solution.

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    2. Re:Copyright itself is problematic for technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Getting rid of copyright only helps the very same megacorps that Slashdot whines about. Why would any of the MPAA/RIAA member companies, for example, need to pay any royalties to their artists when they could just swipe the work for themselves and be done with it? The only reason they pay artists anything is due copyright law.

    3. Re:Copyright itself is problematic for technology by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For the US, it should have been obvious to the framers that taking away the property rights of (Everybody - 1) for the sake of some "rights" to imaginary property for one person was an error, but at least they had the idea that it should be only for real people and only for a short time, if it was at all.

      Not re: copyright per se but entirely relevant nonetheless:

      "Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices."

      - Thomas Jefferson

  2. Re:Image metadata is the answer by JMJimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This and it's backwards - humans are losing out to copyright. Copyright is the entirety of the problem not fair use.

    Yes I believe people should be able to recoup their invested time/money and some form of copy protection is needed for that but the current laws are doing it to the detriment of society.

  3. There is a way to mark them by stewsters · · Score: 3, Funny

    Put this in a file called robots.txt on the root of your website:

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /

    Boom. Your images wont get illegally used by Google. You can send me the money your would have spent on lawyers.

  4. bullshit by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    tough talk is easy.

    reality is you'd need to be paying lawyer $275 or more an hour for about 700 to 1500 hours plus expenses. who here has that kind of income to gamble? I do not.

  5. The aithor is confused. by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The author of TFA is deeply confused - she can't distinguish between pictures used as content (what she wanted to to, and not fair use), and pictures used as links to content (a murky grey area under fair use). Because of her inability to distinguish the difference, she feels unfairly treated.

  6. Re:Image metadata is the answer by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is it, in a nutshell.

    Copyright as it is wielded today for *most* uses is a net loss to society. Look at book copyright, movie copyright, music copyright. The only thing that has come out of copyright from them is recycling of old media, nothing creative, nothing to promote progress of the arts, and no benefit to society. We've actually lost a ton of history due to excessive copyright - and those with a vested interest would love to keep it that way.

  7. Re:Image metadata is the answer by peterwayner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I agree that some history is locked away in books that can't be copied, I think that many, many writers and artists are only able to devote time to their work because copyright allows them to charge for access to their work. All of the new books at my store-- including plenty of non-fiction-- is protected by copyright.

    The only counter-example I can think of is the Wikipedia. While it is quite good, it has a strange reliance on copyrighted work. It requires all information to be based upon a citation to a real publication-- a publication that's usually protected by copyright.

  8. Most laws are unfair to humans by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Humans don't have limited liability protection, can go to jail, can't transfer their lives to another under a different name, can't claim income through a different tax jurisdiction, and aren't immortal.

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  9. Re:Image metadata is the answer by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only counter-example I can think of is the Wikipedia.

    Wikipedia is copyrighted. Creative Commons is not the same as public domain.

    Copyright is not evil in principle (authors/artists need to earn a living). But the way it is applied and retroactively extended far beyond the lifetime of the creator is not reasonable. We should have clear rules for "fair use", and a sensible duration of, say, twenty years. One proposal I like is to have a "copyright tax". An artist would automatically get, say, a ten year copyright, and after that would have to pay an increasing annual fee to maintain the copyright. If you want the government to enforce your monopoly, then you should pay for that.

  10. Re:Image metadata is the answer by camperdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The idea of the increasing annual fee to maintain copyrights goes like this: For the first year of copyright protection, the cost is $1. For each subsequent year, the cost doubles: year 2 is $2, year 3 is $4, year 4 is $8, and so on. Year 11 would be $1024. Year 21 would be $1,048,576. By year 31, it would cost over a billion dollars to maintain a copyright. Disney's only advantage is that it has deep pockets. So if the copyright maintenance fee doubled every year, they could keep the copyrights going for a couple of years more than the average Joe. On the flip side, they also have scazillions of copyrights to maintain.

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  11. Re:Image metadata is the answer by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some of history WAS locked away in books that couldn't be copied, then the last copies were destroyed. Same has happened to film and audio recordings.

    That doesn't necessarily mean abolishing copyright is the right answer. It should be shortened. It could have a publish or perish clause. It could have broader exceptions. It could have realistic penalties. It might even have strings attached to assure that once expired, the work does enter the public domain with DRM stripped. It could certainly stand to be clarified soi that copyright and the DMCA can't be used to lock out 3rd party ink and toner (for example) using a ROM as a flimsy excuse.

    Do ALL of that and you leave artists still able to benefit from their work but do a lot less damage to society and culture in the process.

  12. Re:Image metadata is the answer by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This makes sense to me. According to my publisher, the vast majority of the profit from any new book is made in the first three years. There are a few outliers, but these are the ones where both the publisher and author made so much money in the first three years that they'd still have a huge incentive to bring it to market even if they lost copyright after three years. If you're still making more than a token sum on any book (or piece of music or film) after 7-10 years, it was truly exceptional and you've already raked in a huge pile of cash.

    There are some problems with this approach though, such as how do you deal with incremental changes? There are some FreeBSD source files that I've modified that still have original Berkeley copyrights going back to the early '80s. Would I need to pay several billion to copyright my changes, or would my changes be copyrighted separately and I'd only pay $1 (and would I pay $1 for FreeBSD, or $1 for each one of the several hundred source files I've modified)? If it's the latter, then it becomes very difficult for some third party to work out which parts of a file have lapsed copyright and which still have valid copyright.

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  13. Orphan works by Comboman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, I get it - it just seems like it's solving a problem no one has.

    The problem that a progressively increasing copyright registration fee solves is the problem of orphan works. Under the current system, lots of works are still covered by copyright even though the copyright owner cannot be found and thus the works cannot be licensed. A system like the GP is suggesting would force abandoned works into the public domain where they can be preserved, while still allowing actively used works to have a longer period of copyright protection.

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