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MS Researchers Develop Acoustic Data Transfer System For Phones

angry tapir writes "Smartphones that support NFC have been making their way onto the market, but many handsets still don't support the wireless technology. As an alternative, Microsoft researchers have prototyped a system that instead uses a phone's microphone and speaker to transmit and receive data. The P2P data transfer system uses a novel technique of 'self-jamming' to stop nefarious third parties from monitoring transfers, and the researchers believe it's more secure than standard NFC communications. No word on whether it sounds like the squeal of a 56k modem."

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  1. Ah, the circle of technology by SDrag0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's amazing what comes back as "new developments"

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    1. Re:Ah, the circle of technology by jaseuk · · Score: 2

      I've actually been thinking for a while that this could be really good for challenge / response systems. Hold the phone up to the laptop, let it talk. A reliable character a second is probably less painful than dealing with a human.

      Jason.

    2. Re:Ah, the circle of technology by tqk · · Score: 2

      It's amazing what comes back as "new developments"

      Yeah, and from Multiple Sclerosis researchers yet.

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    3. Re:Ah, the circle of technology by no1nose · · Score: 2

      I think we could just use Bluetooth to couple the phone with the laptop and send digitized acoustics that way. It seems like Bluetooth is ubiquitous on both phones and laptops. A simple pairing and no additional rubber hardware is needed.

    4. Re:Ah, the circle of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The paper was accepted after peer review at ACM/Sigcomm, presumably the most selective computer networking conference. It would not have been accepted if this was just about reinventing acoustic coupling. The novel part there is the attention to physical security, the fact that the receiver deliberately jams the transmission to make it harder for third parties to eavesdrop. That's actually quite clever.

    5. Re:Ah, the circle of technology by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      It's "on a mobile phone". That's "on a computer", "on the internet" and "in the cloud" all rolled into one.

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  2. So they reinvented chirp.io by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    So they reinvented chirp.io ?

    1. Re:So they reinvented chirp.io by future+assassin · · Score: 2

      Who reinvented the modem...

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  3. And they call it by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    "modem"

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    1. Re:And they call it by krlynch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've always found it interesting that "modem" and "modern" are so easy to confuse in most fonts....

    2. Re:And they call it by Russ1642 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a keming problem.

    3. Re:And they call it by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2

      Well, sure, but don't the font developers ever check this stuff out, by, for example, looking at real words on real displays? Just imagine how confusing this could be to a copying machine.

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    4. Re:And they call it by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Can we shoot the shitty font designers .. please? :-)

      Almost as bad as the retards who make ONE and lowercase L look the same, or ZERO and uppercase O.

    5. Re:And they call it by orgelspieler · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you mean: That's a wooshing problern.

    6. Re:And they call it by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      I used to love salting Excel files at work with lower case L's in place of ones. It's actually sort of old school. When I learned typing in High School it was on old manual Royal typewriters that didn't have a '1' numeral on them. You were supposed to use the lower case L. It's sort of refreshing to dust off old typing habits and use them.

      Particularly using lower-L as a numeral can fuck up the data in the spreadsheet that the boneheaded Lead Technician wouldn't know how to numerically analyze anyway if someone gave him a two hour lesson in Excel. (he thinks of Excel as essentially a Form Designer Tool, and boy does he get irked if anybody messes up the layout and box outlines of his excel files with cut-and-paste operations)

      We've also toyed with the idea of writing an Excel macro so that once data is placed in the lowest cell in the spreadsheet 'form' it uses conditional formatting to turn all the characters in all the cells the color white. But that would take it a bit too far, and not be worth having to explain to him afterwards.

  4. Acoustic couplers' nostalgia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    GREETINGS PROFESSOR FALKEN.

    1. Re:Acoustic couplers' nostalgia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I hear acoustic couplers I pound on the wall so they know to keep it down.

  5. Re:But... by rwise2112 · · Score: 2

    ...did they patent it yet?

    Of course - It's on a cell phone!

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  6. Already done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217790/Sound_based_system_promises_chipless_NFC_now

  7. Already exists by 3vi1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can already transfer music between phones like this, but it's quite lossy depending on the quality of your speaker.

  8. Prior art by PPH · · Score: 2

    "Mr. Watson, come here. I need you."

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  9. Why would it need a carrier tone? by mlts · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unlike a modem that requires a carrier tone, two acoustic devices that need to send a couple frames of data (such as a Diffie-Hellman exchange) could easily send and receive the data with a few bursts. DACs and ADCs are good enough to be able to discern the encoded static, find errors and correct them, and pass the decoded packets along. This wouldn't be fast, but it would be good enough for creating a shared secret or just validating each other's public keys so future communications can be reliability secured without need of a CA.

    1. Re:Why would it need a carrier tone? by Migraineman · · Score: 2

      And how do you plan to validate their public key without a CA?

      That's easy - just have the phones exchange keys over Bluetooth.

  10. Return of the acoustic modem by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wow, return of the acoustic modem. That really is a trip back in time. Was cutting-edge technology, back in the era of blinking-light consoles, when telephones were hardwired into the wall.

    Ah, nostalgia for the tech of yore.

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    1. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by dmbasso · · Score: 2

      bload "cas:game", r

      When loading 32kb of data took several minutes... good old times! :)

      [now grandpa, come tell us how it was with the punch cards (but then the only sound involved was that of frustration)]

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    2. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Grandpa here.
            My recollection is that paper tapes and punchcard readers where a lot faster than cassette tapes for loading in programs. The reason cassettes were nice is that that the cost of the reader hardware was cheap--you probably already had a casstte player. and the results were compact. In my experience the paper tapes were the most durable. the tapes tended to go bad on you or not work between different machines with different settings. If you dropped your punch card deck it could get scrambled. the paper tapes were compact and reliable.

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    3. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by farrellj · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just found the information on the device I have...it's called the Konexx KOUPLER, and it's pretty snazzy! Their web site claims speeds up to 26.4 Kbps. But I guess that is under ideal conditions...Web site says they still sell it, and it's $150 US.

      More information here: http://www.konexx.com/koupler.htm

      p.s. I have no connection with these guys other than the fact I have used their product in the past, and found it to be a wonderful part of a Road Warriors's toolkit!

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    4. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by Karzz1 · · Score: 2

      Back in the 56k days the modem was inside the computer.

      Only if you had some cheap winmodem. Most decent hardware modems were external. I had a Hayes Accura and a USR hardware modem; still do though I no longer use them. I have been hanging on to them because I have been thinking about setting up a FAX server in the house.

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    5. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 2

      Now you just have to find a payphone...

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    6. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by Peristaltic · · Score: 2

      ...If you dropped your punch card deck it could get scrambled.

      For me it was when you dropped your punch card deck, it would be scrambled.

    7. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by sjames · · Score: 3

      Sit down right here sonney and let me tell you a story :-)

      In the days of 300-1200 baud modems, the modem sat on a desk connected to the terminal (usually) by a serial cable. There were indeed blinkinlights on the front. Some terminals had the modem built-in on top, but you still had the blinkenlights. You would pick up the phone, dial it (and it WAS often a rotary phone) and when you heard the squeel, you shoved the handset into the rubber cups on top of the modem and watch the blinkinlights to see if it made a good connection.

    8. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...If you dropped your punch card deck it could get scrambled.

      For me it was when you dropped your punch card deck, it would be scrambled.

      That's why I always punched sequence numbers in col 73-80. If the deck is dropped, a few minutes in the card sorter and the problem is fixed.

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    9. Re: Return of the acoustic modem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is entirely unfit that any discussion of drum-memory machines should take place these days without someone mentioning the Story of Mel. It seems this honor has fallen to me, so enjoy!

    10. Re:Return of the acoustic modem by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you dropped your punch card deck it could get scrambled. the paper tapes were compact and reliable.

      Better yet, punched card readers had a habit of crunching up the first card on the deck fairly often.

      The first card at the Batch Terminal that I used at the U of M back in the late 70's was the password card. So it was fairly common to be able to dig in the trash can next to the unattended Remote Batch Terminal in the History Building and find someone's mangled password card. Which could then be read/decoded and the password used to run my programs. Even better yet, the ID/password could be used in the terminal room in the basement of Lind Hall to log onto an interactive session. 300 baud on an ASR-33 teletype. For free.

  11. Amazing Development by elysiuan · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's almost like they're modulating a signal and then demodulating it. I wonder if there's a name for this sort of thing.

    1. Re:Amazing Development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's almost like they're modulating a signal and then demodulating it. I wonder if there's a name for this sort of thing.

      Well, clearly you'd want to come up with a name that combines the traits of modulating the signal and then demodulating it on the receiving end. I'll suggest... oh... the sigulator.

  12. Security issue may be flawed by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First this is a wonderful idea so I don't want to put it down as a useful contribution to the low bandwidth limited distance problem for comunications. Where the authors seem to go south here is the huge time they devote in the article to touting that NFC has no physical security and their system does via "jamSecure". Unless I'm missing something there's no reason, other than changing the standard, that radio based NFC could not also implement JamSecure and even do it better. The idea of JamSecure is that both ends of the communitcation channel transmit at the same time, anyone listening in hears the sum. If one of the emitters is sending simply random noise then the sum is randomized. Yet because the receiver knows what they are emitting they can subtract it out. Don't see why NFC cant do that. Also I don't see why having two (or more) microphones in different locations on an eaves dropper doesn't ruin the addition the encryption is relying on. At least with NFC you can have the transmitters be spatially diverse too, with sound that's harder.

    But for very close by communications using existing tech, why not use the screen and the camera? Each phone looks at the others screen and reads it. bandwith becomes the screen refreshrate time the number of resolvable pixels. Presumably at a meter or so that should be close to or better than sound in band width.

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  13. why??? by sribe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't all these devices have bluetooth transceivers already?

  14. It's like my washing machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My LG front loader has a way to send diagnostic data to the factory; you hold the phone's mic to the washer and it sends data to the factory (which you presumably have to call first).

  15. And the new technology is called... by Y2K+is+bogus · · Score: 2

    Cell69, because that's what your phones do to make it work.